The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it.
Today’s question:
QUESTION: Do you think U.S. Deportees, including those with a violent past or gang affiliation, should be housed in El Salvador’s prisons, or do you think we should keep them in the United States?
Talk about it.
Yes
If there is no threat of substantial incarceration,
there is no deterrence to criminal behavior !
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El Salvador now has highest incarceration rate in the world.
As a result, it now has a lower homicide rate than America.
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Those predacious upon society have zero empathy
for their victims and should be removed from society.
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El Salvador has a proven method for dealing with gangs
and vicious criminals.
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Sending illegals with violent past or gang affiliation to El Salvador
has a two fold benefit, gets them out of our country and
sends a clear message, STAY OUT OF AMERICA.
El Salvador is in America!!
Yes…it is less expensive for us as taxpayers and the CECOT (maximum security prison) has helped the country go from the most violent to one of the safest thanks to Bukele’s government policies.
https://elsalvadorinfo.net/homicide-rate-in-el-salvador/
El Salvador is not doing it for free. We just haven’t seen the bill yet.
not simply deportees, they should be launched back over the border any way possible and refused entry for 10 years because they knew better. Now for the total s#!theads YES! (bangers,murder,mayhem,etc…), throw them in the darkest hellhole you can find and let them rot.
Neither. Unless they are granted for asylum, They should be deported to theirs countries of origin and let the governments decide.
No way!!!!!!
If they’re from El Salvador yes. Otherwise send them to their native countries of course.
Best idea…except some countries won’t take their own criminals back… …🤔 Maybe we could just strap them to a parachute…and… you know….!
If they are known criminals, and/or gang members, and if they have been declared
terrorists, they should be sent to El Salvador, and forget the due process. If it has been
proven that they are not criminals or affiliated with any gang, then send them back to their home country. The question is, are illegal invaders guaranteed the right to due process
under the US Constitution? The terrorists of 9/11 were sent to Gitmo without any due
process, and nobody said a word. The Dems want to argue that illegals have the same constitutional rights as American citizens, or of legal permanent residents. They do not.
For instance, it is illegal for an illegal invader to own or possess a firearm because they are
not protected by the Second Amendment. Therefore, why should they be protected by the
Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments?
I hope no one ever ‘declares’ you a terrorist or gang-member , ‘cos you won’t be able to defend yourself under this rule.
The constitution makes a very clear distinction between citizens and persons, the 4th and 14th amendments apply to ‘persons’, ie everyone within the jurisdiction, ie not just citizens.
Fair point about Gitmo, but plenty of people said words, and it’s a mess we still haven’t unravelled, Bush sent most of them back though.
Regarding the second amendment, the Supreme Court agrees with you, but largely due to the historical context of when it was drafted.
You are quite a legal scholar Dawg, but unfortunately wrong. You might look at the following case rgarding the Gitmo detainees.
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Rasul v. Bush (2004): Detainees had the right to challenge their detention through habeas corpus in U.S. federal courts, affirming some access to judicial review.
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Hamdi v. Rumsfeld (2004): U.S. citizen detainees (like Yaser Hamdi) were entitled to due process, including the ability to contest their detention before a neutral decision-maker.
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Hamdan v. Rumsfeld (2006): Military commissions set up to try detainees violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the Geneva Conventions, requiring fairer procedures.
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Boumediene v. Bush (2008): Detainees were granted constitutional habeas corpus rights, allowing them to challenge the legality of their detention in federal courts, regardless of their citizenship or location at Guantanamo.
Habeas Corpus can be suspended by the President in cases of invasion. MS-13 and Tren de Aragua are legally considered foreign terrorists.
https://www.ushistory.org/documents/amendments.htm
illegal can’t legally own a gun because they can’t complete paperwork. How are they going to pass a background check if they aren’t in the system.
noun ( like accused, person, people, persons) is the reason illegals get some rights from the constitution for they are people. For example , Look at the 4th and 5th amendment, respectively, they start with “the right of the people …” and “ no person…” and make no mention whether the person is citizens, legal residents, and illegals.
Lol, I came here for the comments, they were as I expected.
if you believe in the constitution, then the answer is ‘not without due process’, the Supreme Court agrees … if you think what they say is important.
Former Gambian soldier convicted on torture charges in unprecedented US trial, following ICE investigation
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Guatemalan alien illegally residing in the United States and convicted of sexual battery indicted for fraudulently obtaining custody of an unaccompanied alien child in the United States
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ICE removes twice deported criminal alien wanted for human trafficking in El Salvador
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ICE arrests Honduran alien convicted of sex offense
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ICE, federal partners arrest illegal Honduran national charged with incest, sex crimes in Virginia
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ICE arrests over 1K illegal workers, proposes $1M in fines
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ICE removes Salvadoran national wanted for rape against a minor in his home country
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ICE removes Guatemalan national wanted for gender crimes in his home country
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https://www.ice.gov/newsroom
And yet Andrew Tate and Conor McGregor were welcomed with open arms….. And you posted nothing
No US citizens. We got plenty of prisons.
Along the New Mexico border (probably part of the mountain “public” trail…but I don’t know for sure) the Fed just made a 60 foot wide swath of land running along the NM / Mex border … a FORMAL annex of Fort Huachuca, NM … so the army can patrol without question… step on that trail…your butt belongs to the US Army for trespassing on Military land. Love it!
Through Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) the US military can incarcerate any one – any where!
…So, Now, we just need to Formalize El Salvador prisons? Maybe?
No! El Salvador’s President should first focus on improving the economy, healthcare, education, infrastructure issues of his country rather than be involved with what other countries are or not doing.
Once that President leaves his post, the country is going to be as bad, if not worse, than it was before he took office and illegal immigration from that country is going to once again surge.
That mega prison has now 3 different gangs, which could unify and become a mega gang. Once Trump and El Salvador’s President leave office, what are the guarantees that El Salvador will not release US prisoner’s into their streets, which in turn will give the prisoners the freedom to return to our country. Sending US criminals to that country is a short-sighted solution to a bigger problem.
One of the issues that need fixing is countries not allowing their citizens to be deported back to their native countries.
Every single illegal immigrant being deported, whether they are gang affiliated or not, must be returned to their native countries, which could equal not having to pay $6M to El Salvador.