The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it.
The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon.
Today’s question:
QUESTION: Would you support a business if they didn’t obey the new vaccine mandate in Contra Costa County? (if they didn’t check for proof of COVID-19 vaccination before a customer entered the building)
Talk about it….
👍Of Course!! They would have more business than they could handle!
When we left the state at the beginning of the year, we looked for a place to have breakfast. We found one that was serving dine-in in defiance of the state. We were really happy because there was a +20 mph wind and it was blowing dust everywhere. I left a 100% tip for our server and thanked her.
Hopefully the state will develop a system of informers, so that none will dare disobey.
What do you think this is, Texas?
@Chuq you wish California was Texas.
Some New Yorkers are noticing that this edict is hurting minorities:
“Dems’ worst nightmare: BLM and MAGA activists jointly demonstrate against vax mandates”. https://bit.ly/3lqaGI5
Yes, just like the Nazis did back in the 30’s in Germany. How wonderfully democratic of you Martinezmike
I would try to go to those places first if others are discriminating based on the governments view of the vaccine.
Yes!
There’s better than a 99% survival rate. I will take those odds all day. I struggle, does a 99% survival constitute a pandemic????? Or is it democratic fear and control???
Yet my guess is you are vaccinated against polio. A disease that causes paralysis in less that 0.5% and much less than that actually die. The vast majority of polio cases are asymptomatic and most symptomatic cases are flu like. Sooo maybe it’s not about democratic fear and controls and actually about saving lives. If people just did the right thing and got vaccinated so we can reach herd immunity we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with.
@pess
So destroy the economy, pump fear into the low brow public over theses stats:
CDCs survival rate by age
0-19 99.997%
20-49 99.98%
50-60 99.5%
70+ 94.6%
More people have died of these ailments since the start of 2020 than Covid 19:
1) heart disease
2) strokes
3) Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
Sounds like Democratic fear mongering.
And Pess, try to think. Don’t believe everything the Democratic media is telling you.
So Pessimist
Is doing the right thing turning your neighbor in when they are not vaccinated?
Or Snitching on a business that is not enforcing this sem-questionable constitutional (I know you will attempt to argue this word) mandate from our local health department?
And what is heard immunity … 75%? Cause is that is your number, we have reached that – check the CooCoo Health Site.
Folks, pay no attention to supercalifragilisticexpialidocious…as this person is here to negate and quash others’ thoughts…
@Pete V
I don’t think you know how natural immunity works. But, Did you know. That less then have of Americans actually have natural immunity against Covid? There was a number of studies done that in a lot of states. It could be as low as 20% of people and in some just over 40%. But keep telling yourself that you have natural immunity. I bet 60% person of the over 4.5 million that died thought the same as you.
@Darwin again, those rates of survival are WORSE than polio, and yet almost everyone in this country is vaccinated against polio (and its required for any kid going to public school). How about instead of looking at this in terms of percentages remember the are hundreds of thousands of devastated families behind those numbers. Not to mention when you have someplace as populated as here, a very small percentage is still a whole lot of people in the hospital. A hospital that I would like to have assurance I will get care at in the event of an emergency.
Covid is one of the number one causes of death currently. Yes, short of the ones you mention. Big difference is those are not contagious diseases. Also, death rate is just one component of all of this. How many people are hospitalized? How many people are suffering long covid? Given how fast delta spreads, how many people are getting sick all at the same time and what are the ramifications of that?
And I don’t get my information from the media. I actually read primary literature. Do you?
@parent
The right thing is for everyone who is able to to get vaccinated. If this mandate helps us accomplish that then I can live with that. I don’t like it but we’re here because of the unvaccinated, anti-mask, anti-social distant, me-before-everyone-else-old-people-be-damned people. They put us in this situation. Will I be turning in someone who doesn’t listen? No (unless they are jerk who is harassing a poor 20-something hostess just trying to do their job) Will I be patronizing businesses that harass people who enter wearing a mask or go to show their vaccine card thinking they need to? Absolutely not.
herd immunity is something that is determined by a variety of factors. A super important one is the infectiousness of the virus. The delta variant quite unfortunately did in fact move the goal post (this is the actual science!). We need upwards of 90% community immunity. This means the entire community, of which no kids under 12 are currently eligible for vaccination (I think the stat you mentioned is only for eligible people but I could be wrong).
@ Me
Oh brother…natural immunity from prior infection is real, and it didn’t just come along in the past 18 months with the China virus, there’s years of medical research and common sense telling us natural immunity is better than a vaccine, and that fact is no different with China virus.
Pediatric studies, La Jolla Institute (funded by NIAID), NIH, Cleveland Clinic (over 50k people in the study), Maccabi (Israel) study (13x stronger), etc. all showing the robustness and longevity of NATURAL IMMUNITY from prior China virus infection…even the CD friggin C even had to begrudgingly acknowledge natural immunity yesterday.
Gee, wonder why a bunch of nurses nationwide are quitting over mandates, could it possibly be because last year when they were being called “heroes” they were becoming infected themselves, and they know they have immunity don’t need the vaccine. Good grief, there’s people who still have antibodies from the original SARS circa 2002-04.
Anyhoo, enjoy your leaky vaccine, go get your third stab and stand by for another in a couple months.
@pess
I stand by the stats. Not the Democratic fear mongoring.
Primary literature? try reading some. I believe in science not “the science.” The stats don’t support it.
@Pete V
Ok, So let me try to say it in away you might even understand. You are saying that you will let your natural immunity fight it right? As I stated before. Most actually DO NOT have natural immunity from Covid-19. So, By me saying that between 20%-40% had natural immunity. You are anywhere from 60%-80% less likely to have natural immunity. Skip the whole natural immunity from already being infected. I never said ANYTHING about being infected prior. I simply said that you most likely don’t have natural immunity from Covid-19. If you had Covid before. Then yes, It’s well documented that that is better then the shot and does last longer. But like I stated before. If you NEVER had Covid. You have really big chance of NOT having natural immunity. Before you try to come back on someone. Please learn to read.
Oh good, it finally sunk in that natural immunity from prior infection is a thing. So I ask again, for the MANY THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS of people like me who have natural immunity from PRIOR INFECTION, why in the cornbread f should we inject your leaky gene therapy, you know the one that’s so effective they are already pushing boosters, doesn’t prevent infection/spread, no long-term studies, in the short-term it’s injured/killed thousands, and the FDA suspended basically all their normal protocols so they can slap the “FDA Approved” label on it at least 2 years early. Get your shotS, wear 5 masks.
Yes, I would. Kind of chilling, the phrase of “obey a vaccine mandate.” A government/ruling body penalizing somebody’s means of living because they did not/will not take a drug.
A resounding YES!!!
Why has “the mandate to show proof of COVID-19 vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test within 72 hours” morphed into “a mandate to show proof of COVID-19 vaccination”?
If showing proof of a negative COVID-19 test within 72 hours satisfies the requirement then there is no vaccine mandate or not?
How does showing either card or test give patrons more “protection”? If vaxxed people can still get and spread the virus, what’s the use of showing a card? If unvaccinated catch and spread the virus also, what’s the magic 72 hours timeline? It’s just freakin stupid. I’m not in CA now. I’m visiting friends in the Midwest. There are no such mandates. Everyone here looks alive and well to me…… and happy! Restaurants are thriving. CA won’t be happy until they’ve run every small business into the ground. And btw, YES I would support a business that defies the mandate. Dementia Joe can go …
Yes. Where can I find a list of them, cause I will support them
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Why would I take a chance to get infected?
Totally Agree.
Take a chance to get infected? Fred, there is only a 100% chance you aren’t already or going to be infected. Virus gonna virus and no amount of hiding is going to change that.
AD
That awkward moment when everyone knows the vaccinated can silently carry and spread covid but youre that 1% who thinks otherwise…. LOL
infected from a 99% survivable flu ? you must be so worried dont ever go outside then you might catch a cold..
@Joe
Here’s something that is going to make you look dumb.
The Flu Season ” Kills just over 30,000 a year”
Covid-19 “Killed over 4 million in 1 year”
Spanish Flu “Killed close to 100 million people” But was a flu.
People like you that keep calling it a flu yet people are dying left and right from it. Did you know that Covid in 1 year killed more people then all War’s combine 3x over? Ya, Keep laughing. People have lost their lives to this Virus and hundreds of thousands are struggling with the after affects of having it. Can you say the same about a Flu? No.
Yes!
Enthusiastically. The speakeasy is back.
Exactly! Also, soon to have underground restaurants like Cuba’s ‘paladares’ where you can get a delicious home cooked meal at someone’s home—-all without having to show your papers! The government is creating an underground economy…
Good one!
I will continue to patronize the businesses I choose. Whether or not the employees “card” me doesn’t matter as the virus is unaware of these actions.
I’ve done everything possible to avoid and mitigate the virus.
To make a difference in this never-ending finger pointing exercise, wash your hands and face regularly, stay physically fit, and stay home if you have flu-like symptoms.
Yes!
I will only support businesses who won’t obey, and won’t be showing my medical papers to anyone, ever.
If they ask, I’ll never be back.
If they are one of the businesses required as of September 22nd by the CCC County Wide Health Order and don’t obey the mandate, no, I would not support a business until they do.
Yes, definitely.
I will not patronize businesses the follow the mandate. I’m not getting a test 3 days ahead of time to eat over priced food at a restaurant. We are always asking the wrong question. The mandates are tyrannical authoritarian nonsense. How fast people have given up their freedoms and big R god given rights with virtually no push back is disturbing. I am not vaccinated because I don’t need it and I don’t plan to get it I’m not antivaccine if you are a vulnerable either due to age or a medical condition I support it. Now we are asking if you will support a business that doesn’t make you show papers to eat and give them your hard earned money. disgusting!!
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In spirit, yes. I usually eat at home or get takeout. If someone asked to see my proof of vaccination or testing, I’ll ask to see theirs.
You must be a joy at the airport TSA control.
“Turn about is fair play.”
You betcha!
I commend, honor, and applaud rebellious behavior if I believe they are within the US Constitution. The Fourth Amendment clearly states, “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated.”
I don’t care what some liberal judge says, as far as I’m concerned, it is unreasonable, and it is unconstitutional. In my view, anybody that supports such an outrageous mandate is naive and doesn’t value their liberty and our American culture.
Not unconstitutional. See the 1905 case Jacobson vs. Massachusetts. Or the 50 states that require vaccines for elementary school (no polio is not worse than covid). Or the *conservative* justice that just declined to block the mandate at Indiana University. We are up to our eyes is precedent for the constitutionality of requiring vaccines.
@pessimistic–The question is about supporting a business if they don’t obey the new mandate requiring them to check for proof of the COVID-19 vaccination. In my reply I said, “I don’t care what some liberal judge says, as far as I’m concerned, it is unreasonable, and it is unconstitutional.” When I say “some liberal judge'” I mean liberal in their thinking, not necessarily the political party they are affiliated with. Stick to the topic, it’s not about the vaccine, it’s about a mandate to show proof of the vaccine to enter a business.
Once again, “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated.”
Will Absolutely support them.
It’s Totally Hypocritical that a government is claiming to protect us while borders are Wide Open.
I’ll deal with my own health, government needs to do their job and keep our enemies out.
I will support ONLY those businesses which do not have brown shirt Nazis at the door asking everyone for their PAPERS PLEASE. As someone else wrote above, if a business asks me I’ll never be back.
People who left Communist countries years ago must be horrified at what is going on here. They fled those places for the freedom of America only to see those freedoms stripped away by power hungry leftist fascists.
California is finished.
I will only support business that do not comply! The rest I hope go out of business!
Orange County & San Diego a much larger population than ours don’t even have a mask mandate. Here we know require proof to get vaccinated.
100%. I will not go to any business that obeys unconstitutional orders.
Not unconstitutional. All 50 states require vaccination against polio and the DTap vaccine. Go look up the stats on polio before you claim it’s worse than covid.
@ Pessimisticallyrepetitive
You keep referring to the vaccines required by 50 states. Those mandates were not mandates they were laws passed by the states legislators. See the difference?
The supreme court gives power to the “States” as in state legislature to mandate vaccines, not health officials, school boards, or governors. Until they are codified into law these mandates really don’t mean anything. There is a strong argument that, right now, without an actual law in place, these mandates are unconstitutional.
Using your logic. Contra Costa can mandate one thing, the City of Berkeley can mandate another, and the county of Solano can mandate something totally different. There would be no continuity in the law. It would be chaos.
@ JRocks
So you’re saying that if this was passed as law by the state suddenly all these people would no longer be up in arms about it? Suuuure.
Come on. That is not what people are fussing about when they claim this is unconstitutional. They are saying (it seems) that they shouldn’t have to take a vaccine because someone tells them they need to. But in reality we all know that requiring vaccinations have been the norm for decades and decades.
@Jrocks
Actually there is NO law for vaccines. They are actually mandates to attend schools.
“All 50 states and the District of Columbia (DC) have state laws that require children entering childcare or public schools to have certain vaccinations. There is no federal law that requires this.”
Straight from the CDC site. Before you say, See it says the law. Read very closely. It says entering childcare or public schools…. If they don’t get the shots they can’t go there. But, There is no law in place to get vaccinated for anything. You should read up
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/public/index.html
@pessimistic. You do recall the Dred Scott decision, yes? The robed ones are not infallible. Bad decisions throughout history. It is why they’re only one co-equal branch
I was planning to boycott all activity that requires compliance with a vaccine mandate, despite of choosing to be fully vaccinated in April.
Instead of following through with the plan, I left the state 😉
Good for you.
What state?
We spend all this time on vaccines and restrictions and not a darn thing on the cause of this fargin mess the Chinese communists. When are they going to pay for what they did? Just go out and kill millions and ruin economies and no one says a word. Oh! Oh! let me buy your new eye phone it is disgusting.
Nope! It would be a cesspool both politically and physically. No thanks.
Good, you can hang out with other people of your kind who advocate denying people the basic human right of health care.
I would give preference with doing business with anyone not following mandates I’m
As I am vaccinated, I do not see the need for this production of documents. Is the county worried that employees at these businesses are going to get sick and die? Why not demand evidence of their vaccine status?
If the unvaccinated want to play Russian roulette, that is their choice. They live or die with the consequences of their decision (as we all do).
I’ll do business where I am respected as a customer, not where I am deemed worthy based solely on some paper credentials.
Any non-medical business that inquires as to my medical or heath status in any way will no longer have me as a customer.
Yes. With no problem at all. Look around how many business’s are gone, those owners and employees need to be able to make a living. This total government control over what can and can’t be done is going to far. Take personal responsibility for your own health and if you not comfortable then don’t go.
Yes! We already have to wear a mask indoors. It’s really pathetic that starting the 22nd, we will have to wear masks and either be vaccinated or show proof of a negative test, which doesn’t make sense cause you do realize you could catch COVID after taking that test!
I have never worn a mask anywhere. I have one just in case but nobody will ever say anything to me. It also could be that I get real deef around idiots who think they control me.
Clearly anyone trying to ask questions should be met with a firm “I don’t answer questions” and walk away.
Does anyone remember what being an American means?
@Sam
You must not be an American with that statement. For 1, your statement I am pretty sure is a complete lie. For almost a year EVERYONE had to wear a mask to go into any place. And don’t tell me that you didn’t wear one because everyone did. This goes to show how much of a liar you really are. 2nd, Does anyone rememeber what being an American is? You really going to ask that after all the fake nonsense you post on here? The complete lies you tell. The posts about you not wearing a mask? The posts calling it the Chinese Virus. And all that? Sorry but you’re not a true American.
A Real American is not racists like you.
A REAL American will help the one next to them in time of need.
A REAL American will put their beliefs to the side to help one another.
A REAL American is treating people equally.
A REAL American is accepting people of different racial and religious backgrounds.
You do none of these. You come on here spouting off your own beliefs and try to get people to follow you. Try to tell people what to do. Try to falsely claim everyone is out to get them and all of the government is lying to everyone. You live in complete fear. You call everyone names and put everyone down. That’s all you do on here. You are not a real American. You just live here.
No, not everyone has “had” to wear the mask. Only people following recommendations. I don’t comply with peer pressure of unlawful dictates. I have never worn a mask for anything.
Racist?? Lol I have finally frustrated you into using the last tool in your tool bag. You must be real mad I call your lies out every week. Everyone here knows your lies well. Cry more commie.
Pennsylvania has just officially approved their FORENSIC AUDIT. ARIZONA is about to release their FORENSIC AUDIT. CALIFORNIA will be AUDITING the RECALL. Your lies fall on deft ears.
Patriotic is the new word for treason says the white house🤣🤣🤣 You can’t make this stuff up.
No, I would not. As we are currently trying to get/keep Covid back under control, I would not want to be dining with people that choose to go unvaccinated.
Shows how much faith you have in the current “vaccines.”
Didn’t the news a week or so ago tell about a business that won’t let you in if you are masked or vaccinated? I think the owner said they were doing well.
@dorothy
Actually quite the opposite. But nice try
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dallasnews.com/food/restaurant-news/2021/08/23/legends-diner-in-denton-to-close-following-mask-frustrations-people-just-dont-want-to-comply/%3foutputType=amp
Yes,
100%
C’mon Liberals….whatever happened to?: “My body my choice.” Oh, never mind.
Yes!
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A vaccine mandate with no provisions for exceptions like medical-related issues or religious grounds is clearly unconstitutional.
There are provisions. You can show a negative test (which are free and easily accessible btw!). Or you can sit on the patio or order take out.
OR you can just get the dang vaccine so that everyone can be apart of our society and we can protect the people or LEGITIMATELY have a medical reason to not get vaccinated. *crazy to think someone might just do something for the good of everyone though*
And FYI, in some places non-covid vaccine mandates do not grant religious exemptions.
Yes, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to support them either. I imagine most businesses will haphazardly check vaccination proof. However, some will only accept California’s app rather than accepting photos or photocopies as an “extra measure of precaution”, while some will outright disobey.
They would be the only one’s I support.
NO
yes i would….i find it odd that i am mandated to show proof of vaccination. I am part of “the herd” as I already had covid, and according to some science….that is better than the vax…..yet there is nothing in place for a test so i can prove i had it and be exempt from the vax…..how many thousands are in the group of “already had”???
this I actually am sympathetic to. I do think that “immunity passports” would be better than “vaccine passports” (for lack of a better term).
You’re trying to hard. They deserve nothing. Give them nothing.
@p
Except the jab provides no immunity so that won’t work. Also nobody cares what you are sympathetic to. You’re a nobody, you should keep your masks on.
Those are the only places I would patronize.
No.
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-boy-went-to-a-covid-swamped-er-he-waited-for-hours-then-his-appendix-burst
Yes, well, that was NOT in Contra Costa County where the ERs are NOT swamped and where 85% of the 12 and over population have received at least one vaccination. We are over the hump of the Delta surge. If that isn’t good enough, I think the vaccines are not working to the county’s satisfaction and showing proof of vaccination is pointless.
Haha, more fear porn…was this like the “overflowing” ER in OK where the photo used was supposed to be Oklahoma in the summer, but instead it showed people all bundled. And oh yeah, the hospital denied and directly contradicted the doctor quoted in the article, who by the way doesn’t work AT the hospital and hadn’t dealt with the hospital in months.
Since you like to dig up info, now do injuries/death from the vaccines…there’s only been a few hundred thousand in the US alone, but you’re industrious, I bet you can find one or two.
Yes. Absolutely
If anyone asked me for anything other then payment, I would laugh and walk away never to return. Just another attack on small business. Maybe they should get together and file a lawsuit.
In Spain, a class action lawsuit is forcing them to actually prove the COVID exists. (which it doesn’t)
Absolutely.
ABSOLUTELY!!! Support your local family owned business. They are the backbone of our country.
No – not now and not even after the pandemic is over. Any business that would blatantly disregard these commonsense health safety measures doesn’t deserve my patronage or my tryst. I’d wonder what other corners they’d be willing to cut or laws they’d be willing to break.
How does it make sense? And why would you assume that businesses that require YOU to prove vaccination status require the same of their employees?
@Bad Nombre, the health order requires employees to either provide proof of vaccination or get tested weekly.
I don’t think they want your tryst.
These are the only businesses I will be supporting!!!
The most impressive thing about COVID is how it turned a systemically racist patriarchy into a trustworthy government who cannot be questioned.
Jane Fonda called coronavirus “God’s gift to the left”
@sam
Spot on!
That really is an excellent observation.
Ever think about how basically foul and diabolical a group could be to accept something as horrific as a pandemic be beneficial to their cause?
So beneficial that they would bless it as a gift?
Like they’re glad it happened?
Some people just can’t recognize evil , even when they embrace it.
NO.
No. I believe in following the law.
@El D
It’s not a law.
@Cyn, it’s a legal order. Both businesses and customers can be fined for disobeying it.
I would not give my money to any tyrant that asked me for some BS proof of vaccination do you people not understand that this has nothing to do with a virus our country has been taken over by communists you better fight for your rights before you lose them forever I feel sorry for the first person to ask me for some sort of identification of vaccination they are putting people’s lives in Dangerdanger it’s not the job of some retail worker to ask me anything about my private life
Absolutely!!!!
YES I would support them! And its Amazing too me that NO ONE points out the fact that while the federal government is telling US citizens too “social distance” and is actively bulling citizens into getting vaccines they are at the same time importing millions of illegal immigrants from Mexico as well as another 95 thousand so called refuges into the United states from Afghanistan! what happened too social distancing and Covid19 safety? LOL If this isn’t the clear cut truth that the people in charge of the federal government are enemies of the people of the United states I don’t know what is?
I am Huge supporter of the free market. When people are allowed to make their own choices, and reap their own rewards or suffer the consequences of their own actions, people develop wisdom, something sorely lacking today.
I got vaccinated by my own choice. I don’t wear a mask by my own choice. I go to stores and Church and even shake hands with strangers by my own choice. Forcing people to do anything will always result in defiance, a black market, etc.
Our ultimate act of defiance was to leave California. Every time I hear a news story about the state or look at this site it confirms we made a great choice. When I burn the pile of branches and debris in the back yard next month I will think of Kleptofornica.
One things for certain. You will never brag about the superior weather in your current state 😎
It’s nice that you can think of your move as “your ultimate act of defiance”. There are so many who have to leave the state because they can just not make it economically. But of course these folks cannot really move on and will spend hours on local blogs in their old home place.
Mike- AQI is currently 26. Had a little rain last night and this morning, then a sunny day. Mowed the lawn and did the weed eating today. Did I mention that we do not water our lawns here?
Currently 73 degrees. Fall is definitely in the air. Frogs are giving us a concert. I will take a few months of high humidity over the smoke, drought, high temperatures, etc. you are now experiencing and people here do not know what a flex alert is.
Absolutely I will! I love the bay area and CALI BUT this mandate is absurd and about control and i am not with it.
I want to move out of Cali and start fresh off the grid LOL
Those will be the ONLY businesses I will be spending money at now. Otherwise, we will just cross the bridge into Solano County to eat and shop. Easy solution!
Yes
Food trucks should park outside restaurants that follow this oppressive tyrancy…er I mean mandate.
Yes I would go there before a company that fires someone for not getting a shot.
If I walked into a bar/restaurant around here wearing a mask, people would laugh!
ABSOLUTELY!
No, I won’t knowingly patronize an irresponsible business!
There are plenty of businesses that are struggling and need my money that will obey the vaccine mandate. They deserve my patronage more.
Yes!