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Controversial Crime Bill Works To Redefine Robberies In California

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53 comments


Janus March 18, 2021 - 2:07 PM - 2:07 PM

LMFAO – The get soft on crime continues… Hey Lars, this is how you become a low crime city.

Natalie March 18, 2021 - 5:06 PM - 5:06 PM

Helpful hint: You can take something valued above $950, if you have a coupon on hand that reduces the price to below $950. You do have to leave the coupon at the checkout counter, and the coupon cannot be expired.

remember March 18, 2021 - 5:35 PM - 5:35 PM

@N

thanks as always for something so childish and yet indicative of what lefties think about things like law, property, accountability, country, language, history and just plain respect.

Gittyup March 18, 2021 - 6:50 PM - 6:50 PM

@Natalie If they’re offering free shipping, why not just have it sent?

Janus March 18, 2021 - 7:17 PM - 7:17 PM

Well Natalie let me give you some hard facts from someone who has investigated quite a few robberies in their career.

The reason why robberies are felonies and the dollar value doesn’t mean a damn thing is because property is taken from a person by means of FORCE or FEAR.

I’ve interview victims who could barely speak because they were so traumatized. I had a case once where the family was the victim of a home invasion robbery. They were so traumatized they couldn’t live in their house anymore and moved away.

Laugh and make jokes all you want but pray to God it doesn’t happen to you and that some street urchin gets away with a misdemeanor with a maximum sentence of 8 months in county jail with good time off. All because the property value didn’t reach an arbitrary threshold.

The next thing will be to make 1st degree burglary, entering into an inhabited dwelling with the intent to commit theft or any other felony a misdemeanor based on the value of property stolen.

How would that make you feel Natalie? Would you make jokes about a person who breaks into your house in the middle of the night while you are sleeping and is only charged with a misdemeanor because he only stole your unmentionables?

Natalie March 18, 2021 - 9:18 PM - 9:18 PM

@Janus. I’ve met cops who have a sense of humor about law and crime, so whatever your opinion is regarding jokes about such issues, is just your opinion.

The joke was meant to point out the arbitrariness and absurdity of the $950 rule, and if you could calm down for second, you’d understand that.

Janus March 18, 2021 - 11:17 PM - 11:17 PM

@ Natalie

Why don’t you volunteer at STAND! or Rape Crises and then talk to me about calming down and my lack of humor regarding victims of violent crimes.

If a police officer made that same joke in public, you would demand they be fired so bask in your anonymity.

Retired LEO March 19, 2021 - 9:25 AM - 9:25 AM

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Rollo Tomasi March 21, 2021 - 8:42 AM - 8:42 AM

Natalie, you might want to consider your history of radical left commentary on this site before you wonder why very few people picked up on your attempt at humor and castigate those who didn’t.

Dorothy March 18, 2021 - 2:19 PM - 2:19 PM

Stupid beyond stupid! Limit on robbery should be 2 cents! Not nearly $1K.

remember March 18, 2021 - 2:21 PM - 2:21 PM

LOL!! what a f$%^ing joke

let’s see if i can guess how this will work..

it isn’t robbery because the clerk didn’t try to stop them
it isn’t robbery because the person taking the money is owed reparations
it isn’t robbery because the person taking the food was hungry
it isn’t robbery because the person taking the clothes is homeless

what did i miss?

chuckie the troll March 18, 2021 - 3:50 PM - 3:50 PM

It isn’t a crime because you are the victim!

Really??? March 18, 2021 - 10:01 PM - 10:01 PM

It isn’t robbery because the person needed a hug.

Randy March 18, 2021 - 2:27 PM - 2:27 PM

…. just like the video said – insanely irresponsible ……… there isn’t enough deterrent as it is …. we need a new legislature

Strad March 18, 2021 - 2:45 PM - 2:45 PM

Insane!

Sam L March 18, 2021 - 2:53 PM - 2:53 PM

When under $1K stolen from cars became a misdemeanor, lots of smash and grab. This would result is many smaller thefts. Simply a bad idea.

Original G March 18, 2021 - 2:54 PM - 2:54 PM

The threat of long Prison sentences is a deterrence of crime.

Would appear DEMs are still attempting to empty both state Prisons and Jails in all 58 Counties. All started back in 2011 when state prison overcrowding became an issue.

The state legislature took the easiest path possible and passed AB109.
A bill which simply forced state prison overcrowding down onto County Jail systems of all 58 CA Counties. Bill redefined where a Felony sentence is served. Prior to bill any sentence in excess of 367 days was automatically served in state Prison. After passage multi year Felony sentences can be served in County Jails and that instantly caused massive overcrowding problems in all 58 County Jail systems.

Bill also allowed Felons already in state Prison to be sent back to Counties they came from. An first ones on the buses back to County were state inmates with disabilities and those required ongoing and expensive medical conditions.

Felons serving County Jail time take up a bed for many months to YEARS.
That means misdemeanor criminals seldom do their entire sentence, they often to very small fractions of their sentences because of Jail overcrowding.
So where’s the deterrence of crime by incarceration if criminal knows they could be back on OUR streets in a matter of a few days or perhaps hours ?

To help eliminate Jail overcrowding DEMs came up with Prop 47.
That’s the $950 limit to charge a Felony. Probably main reason for increase in vehicle break ins.
Ballotpedia Prop 47 https://tinyurl.com/cp62ehxw

SB82
Bill info, state legislature website https://tinyurl.com/5ejxapzp

If this bill passes if a robbery planned to be under the $950 limit goes terribly sideways and your loved ones are there they could end up as collateral damage. This bill will probably INCREASE the number of robberies.

Who exactly do DEMs look out for and take care of ? ? ?
And WHY do you keep voting for them ? ? ?

The threat of long Prison sentences is a deterrence of crime.

JWB March 18, 2021 - 6:53 PM - 6:53 PM

Wow nothing has changed in here. OG still lives in a fantasy world.

Have you actually read the links you posted OG? You claim “DEMs came up with Prop 47”?

Click on your Ballotpedia link and you will see prominent supporters of Prop 47 were not only DEMs, as a matter of fact some of your heroes like Newt Gingrich and Rand Paul were active supporter of Prop 47. As a matter of fact Newt co-authored an editorial in the LA Times before the vote and claimed that the law was modeled after similar laws in red states such as Texas and South Carolina.

On the other hand Diane Feinstein was opposing Prop 47.

But why bother we all know for you and the rest of or your posse here the world simply means R good, D bad no matter what the facts say.

Original G March 18, 2021 - 8:28 PM - 8:28 PM

Oh Gosh forgot to add CHum to bottom of previous post. . (H, L, S.)

If “R good, D bad” was all you could glean from the post,
(cue southern drawl) “Then, You, . . . . Might be, A liberal !

Prop 47 was the fix for disastrous effect AB109 cause to county jail systems of all 58 counties in CA. An liberals spent $10,306,082 to CON voters into passing it.

Another little side “benefit” of AB109 was to encourage the use of GPS ankle bracelets. Here’s how well that idea works out,
cnn 2013 https://tinyurl.com/ymb5w3j7

SFgate https://tinyurl.com/pedb576r

Prop 47
‘Organized Retail Theft On The Rise; Cops Blame Prop 47, Safe Neighborhoods Law’
cbs13 https://tinyurl.com/ye5ehns7

‘Hundreds released from California jails because of Prop 47’
kcra 2014 https://tinyurl.com/4842xuj8

“Within hours of his early release from jail due to overcrowding, a parolee with a lengthy and violent history was arrested Sunday on suspicion of murder.”
https://tinyurl.com/pk92zj7t
CHum

Original G March 18, 2021 - 3:14 PM - 3:14 PM

OK folks talk is cheap how about you finally make your wishes known to those you entrusted to make this state a decent place to raise a family.
To those who already do, Thank You. !

In case of incarceration DEMs screwed up their attempt to fix a problem they were responsible for. They continued to screw up with each of their subsequent fixes, each time degrading the SAFETY of the public, this is but their latest attempt.

Use this and let them know what you think of this bill and overall screwed up job they’ve been doing.
http://www.legislature.ca.gov/your_legislator.html

Bookmark it also for next time they do STUPID.

remember March 18, 2021 - 3:18 PM - 3:18 PM

it will hide violent crime

which is what the dems want. that way then can keep the jail population lower, and make kalifornia look like a great place to live

little toe March 18, 2021 - 3:18 PM - 3:18 PM

California has turned into the Twilight Zone. It’s almost as if they are trying to run normal, productive citizens out of the state with their absurd politics.

Ricardoh March 18, 2021 - 3:18 PM - 3:18 PM

How do we stop this madness. It’s too bad our prisons are overfilled. I suggest we build more prisons and put people away for longer times. I am afraid our melting pot is boiling over. We had a city just give 27 million dollars to the family of a felon thief, who at one time robbed a pregnant woman with a knife, because he died of drugs while being arrested again. This is the lunacy we are living in. We are being held hostage by professional victims lawyers . I hope for the sake of younger people will can pull out of this BS. I have little hope though.

Bobfished March 18, 2021 - 3:21 PM - 3:21 PM

Still waiting for the folks who vote for these people to come on here and explain how this is a great idea.

whome March 18, 2021 - 3:30 PM - 3:30 PM

My fear –

SELF DEFENSE will become a crime.

This state is so F$#@’e up…

Whiskey March 20, 2021 - 12:13 AM - 12:13 AM

Self defense is already a crime if you’re a police officer doing your job.

Same March 18, 2021 - 3:44 PM - 3:44 PM

Let’s hope they run a 20 year pilot program in Berkeley.

anon March 18, 2021 - 3:45 PM - 3:45 PM

Maybe after Nancy Skinner becomes a victim of a crime she will change her crazy mind.

ON DA March 18, 2021 - 3:48 PM - 3:48 PM

That lady who wrote the bill should be FIRED !!!

idiots everywhere March 18, 2021 - 3:53 PM - 3:53 PM

Robbery, by definition, involves the threat of force. It is bad enough that significant theft of property is not now prosecuted, she wants to give the green light to forceful taking. What a buffoon. I’d say only in Berkeley, but this plague of do gooders is spreading.

Dawg March 18, 2021 - 4:08 PM - 4:08 PM

How do Dems sleep at night knowing this is the kind of lunacy they elect? I have a better idea, let US citizens arm themselves and shoot anybody attempting to rob them without fear of criminal or civil repercussions.

FPN March 18, 2021 - 4:09 PM - 4:09 PM

Where is the common sense?. Defund the police and you have to pass a bill allowing theft because there is not enough police to stop the criminal. Hire more police and stop letting criminals run wild.

Tsa March 18, 2021 - 4:11 PM - 4:11 PM

Politicians don’t care about holding criminals accountable. They are only trying to restrict those they fear, the law abiding as they are the only ones to stand up against their tyranny…

Teamster March 18, 2021 - 4:16 PM - 4:16 PM

Concord and other sanctuary cities are screwed! Also your insurance is going to increase astromatically!

Teamster March 18, 2021 - 4:16 PM - 4:16 PM

Concord and other sanctuary cities are screwed! Also your insurance is going to increase!

Bob March 18, 2021 - 4:36 PM - 4:36 PM

Is this the real life?

Is it just fantasy?

Old Guy March 18, 2021 - 4:46 PM - 4:46 PM

Better give all the robbers a calculator so they make sure they won’t go over $950.00. This is beyond crazy.

The Fearless Spectator March 18, 2021 - 4:58 PM - 4:58 PM

The state may decide a criminal is no longer a criminal, however the victim remains a victim. Who’s going to deal with their trauma?
Victims are on their own.

Our elected officials supporting such legislation clearly favor criminals. Which is sort of funny as it’s unlikely criminals got them elected.

Jeff March 18, 2021 - 5:14 PM - 5:14 PM

Just wrote and email to St. Sen. Steve Glazer expressing my displeasure with SB82.

Remember the old saying, it’s better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

108RS

Badge1104 March 18, 2021 - 5:45 PM - 5:45 PM

.. . And remember Contra Costa County has a district attorney – Diana Becton – who said she will not prosecute criminals who are stealing out if need to support themselves or families, if they do it less than three times a year.
Now what kind of message does that send? We need to voter out of office next time.

HappyPappy March 18, 2021 - 6:19 PM - 6:19 PM

If we’re gonna have anarchy, let’s do it fair:
When there are no police or they’re ordered to not respond, many robberies could automatically carry a death sentence.

Chris March 18, 2021 - 9:40 PM - 9:40 PM

Remember the Limousine Liberals that vote and create this nonsense live in gated communities, have security systems and private guards watching over their valuables. The crooks usually stay clear of these posh areas unless they get lost. Good luck and arm yourselves.

dude March 18, 2021 - 10:26 PM - 10:26 PM

I just wrote to Tim Grayson to encourage him, and anyone else he can convince, to vote NO!

Pepe March 19, 2021 - 8:32 AM - 8:32 AM

Next time you are in a store , any kind of store in contra costa county and ask the clerk how many times a day do people walk out with merchandise without paying. It’s almost daily and nothing is done about it . I have seen it at Safeway and Luckys while I’m at the check stand paying for my groceries . Our society is getting so immoral , chaotic and dangerous . We keep electing the same evil politicians over and over again . wake up people or life in this state is will become like living in a war zone !

Gittyup March 19, 2021 - 1:10 PM - 1:10 PM

You do know that when you check out you can refuse bags, put the groceries back in the cart, and wheel them out to your car. While it may look to you like they are robbing the store of groceries, they just might have refused bags and plan to load them into their own bags in the trunk when they get to their car.

ilovepopcorn March 19, 2021 - 1:42 PM - 1:42 PM

I was at Home Depot in Danville/San Ramon and I saw this man getting caught by putting stolen merchandise (tools) tucked inside other stuff on his cart. This big burly dude came and threw open the other boxes and exposed this moron’s hidden stolen tools. He let him go because they have to. The burly employee of Home Depot did get a chance to humiliate him loudly and we all saw what he did. He gave some weird excuse. The store clerk said that was a lie. The employees are not allowed to call the police either. Crazy.

I'm New Here March 19, 2021 - 10:46 AM - 10:46 AM

A few more (proposed) laws like this and I might yet become a Republican. It appears that the Democrats are doing their level best to drive moderates out of the party (and in my case, the state). I couldn’t stand Trump, but this batch of state Democrats are, in their own way, even worse.

Sally March 19, 2021 - 11:55 AM - 11:55 AM

What people didn’t realize is during the SIP when the prisoners were released to a halfway house in a work-release program where do you think the County put them to work at if everything was shut down??? Congregated living facilities!!!

Original G March 19, 2021 - 5:00 PM - 5:00 PM

If liberals are all about reducing consequences for criminal behavior ….

Penalties for drunk driving are harsh and punitive, causing disproportionate hardship on the poor among us.

About now you are likely getting mad and you should.

Reason drunk driving isn’t worse is because penalties for operating a vehicle are harsh, punitive and known to people they know what to expect if they are caught driving drunk.

Threat of financial penalties and incarceration are deterrence to drunk driving. So why not continue to use penalties and incarceration on criminals?

Why do liberals treat criminals different and make excuses for their
anti social behavior ? Liberal failure guilt ?

But of late, disproportionate number of minorities incarcerated are an embarrassment to liberals.

As kids grow up they learn skills to survive and become productive members of society. We have tasked government the major responsibility to educate kids, when that doesn’t happen kids learn survival skills from the streets and become predacious upon society, often for life.

Would be even more embarrassing for them if racial composition of high school drop outs were compared to racial composition of those incarcerated.

Historically California’s educational failures have been housed in it’s state prisons, after committing criminal acts.

Over 42,000 kids drop out each year.

The Fearless Spectator March 20, 2021 - 5:19 PM - 5:19 PM

Slightly off topic however your post brought this to mind:

Basketball legend Bill Walton was the keynote speaker at a large finance event I attended. During the Q & A someone asked him a question about the NFL. With a completely straight face he said, “The NFL is just a pit stop between reform school and the penitentiary.”

It reminded me that without a solid, foundational education, young people are not equipped to deal with life’s failures or successes.

Jackie A March 20, 2021 - 6:09 AM - 6:09 AM

My opinion on soft in crime District Attorneys… Is Billionaire came in and funded an election campaign for a DA you would normally expect that it’s some form of quid pro quo arrangement. However, Soros says he’s a justice crusader. He invests in vulture funds. He backs inexperienced candidates DAs with the stated agenda of bringing more mercy into the criminal justice system. Do you think such a DA will be enthusiastic to look at other operations that Sirius might invest in? Do you think the DA will team up with other DAs to prosecute crimes like fraud? The new DA will not be the best candidate for DA, just the most amenable to the billionaire’s agenda.

Fred March 21, 2021 - 1:17 PM - 1:17 PM

In other words, they’re bought off.

anon March 22, 2021 - 12:58 PM - 12:58 PM

Look, blacks and hispanics disproportionately commit robbery compared to whites and asians, it’s a fact. We have to make this equitable, and that means either forcing whites and asians to rob more, blacks and hispanics to rob less, or to make robbery not a crime!

Clearly we just make robbery not a crime, equity achieved!


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