Good. I see some of the states are relaxing the rules for customers to wear masks because they were threatening the workers. So it’s ok for the customers to potentially infect the low wage staff who likely have limited sick leave. The customers should have been told to go to another store or thrown out.
The message is that low wage staff lives don’t matter.
Today’s news was that a woman and her child tried to enter a Family Dollar store in Flint, Michigan. A security guard stopped them as the child did not have a mask on. The woman argued, left, and came back with a couple of guys. They shot and killed the guard.
Stillwater Oklahoma is a small city with a population of about 50,000. The city withdrew their mask ordinance after people started threatening store employees who were attempting to enforce the mask rule.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens when people with an attitude start boarding aircraft and refusing to put their mask back on.
BORbeliever
May 4, 2020 - 2:19 PM 2:19 PM
So now flying is going to be even more miserable than it already was. Time for a return to driving vacations for us!
Tugboat
May 4, 2020 - 3:16 PM 3:16 PM
Can’t wait for them to shrink the seat size again and give us less leg room.
Cellophane
May 4, 2020 - 4:01 PM 4:01 PM
Kinda like shutting the gate after the horse ran away.
BORbeliever
May 4, 2020 - 4:19 PM 4:19 PM
First of all it’s lovely that you can afford Flexjet. With a starting price of $160,000+ most people cannot.. Second unless you own your own private jet that sits in the hanger until you’re ready to use it you’re still getting on a plane other people have been in.
hehaseesaw
May 4, 2020 - 5:35 PM 5:35 PM
I don’t get why planes were not first to issue mask order mandatory… Your in a tiny cylinder confined to breathing the same circulated air and within 3 feet of each other… Makes no sense how they were not first to have to do it but people just outside in the sun at a park were ordered first to wear masks? Yeah? makes total sense… Talk about idiocy
Having having on two separate occasions after flying for several hours arrived at my destination very sick with a terrible flu, I agree 100%. I may never fly again without a serious mask on.
Agree, been on planes twice once for programing language training and half way across country to pick up a car. Didn’t get sick, just don’t like wall to wall flesh in a petri dish with wings and those flights were pre-TSA.
Kentucky Derby
May 4, 2020 - 6:19 PM 6:19 PM
I was at my credit union the other day and they have a mask policy. They will let you in and hand you a mask if you don’t have one. It’s the wisest way to handle it.
Gittyup
May 4, 2020 - 6:44 PM 6:44 PM
Road trip.
Aunt Barbara
May 4, 2020 - 10:26 PM 10:26 PM
This should have been first on the agenda. Everything is azz backwards,
Travel caused this monster in the first place 🙁
Antler
May 5, 2020 - 4:52 AM 4:52 AM
My husband is a retired commercial airline Captain…. and also one of our daughters has been a flight attendant on large jetliners for 30+ years, so please let me clarify a few things:
1. Cabin air comes from a continuous source of OUTSIDE air, which moves through the plane and enters intake returns back to outside the aircraft. Much earlier on in the pandemic, some major airlines were completely sanitizing every aircraft before every cross-country flight. The crews were/are undergoing medical checks and taking sanitization precautions as well.
2. Our daughter reports that these days ….. even with the drastically-reduced number of flights…. her First Class sometimes has only 3-4 passengers and her Cabin Class between 20-30. Once seated, passengers’ names are checked against the manifest, and then they are asked via speaker to reseat themselves wherever they like so as to keep social distancing. Passengers are willing to comply.
3. Silva, I used to suffer the same symptoms as you describe, and they could ruin an entire vacation! Finally, it dawned on me that it was only happening on the long cross-country and/or trans-oceanic flights. Once I was just SO sick after a return from Frankfurt that I made an appointment with our ENT specialist, telling the phone reservationist that I had a slight fever and “I think I have a “sinus infection and/or strep throat.“ So he ran me through the mill… swab culture and also a blood test for strep. A couple of days pass and he called to let me know that all test results were “negative”…. that it was an allergic reaction of some sort affecting my entire respiratory system. He prescribed…..(all together now because you know what he said” Benadryl, which way back then was by prescription only). Also, he told me always to place a wet handkerchief over my nose and mouth whenever I was to be on a long flight…. and to ask the flight attendant to keep my water glass filled so that I could re-dampen the cloth ”as necessary” (which turned out to be astonishingly OFTEN). Since then, I have never had a problem again! And, Silva, I absolutely know what you mean about feeling sooooooo sick, too, because I had far too many vacations RUINED by that horrid stuffiness, incessant coughing, reddened and itchy eyes, and fever.
If only each of us would try to protect ourselves and others at least just as hard as the airlines are trying!
Antler, that is great to know. I’d been misinformed that they recirculated the same air through the cabin during flights adding oxygen, by someone who should’ve known better🙄. Flying nowadays during this awful situation sounds unimaginably nice. I regret not to have had a chance to see it like that. We cancelled our trip in March/April because we didn’t want to run the risk of infecting my elderly MIL. I’ll have to just imagine, and live vicariously through your daughter’s description. Thank you for that! I’m blessed not to know what allergies, seasonal or otherwise feel like (I’m knocking for a wood spirit now, I can clearly hear my dear mom’s allergy prone voice saying “You can become allergic to anything at anytime!”😊). I’m glad you found a way to escape those truly awful symptoms. Cabin air is so uncomfortably dry it’s a wonder anything can live in it. When I became so sick shortly after arriving at my destination I think it really was the flu. Unfortunately both times some of the people I was visiting also became ill with what was likely the same nasty bugs, transmitted by me.😧
Villa
May 5, 2020 - 9:35 AM 9:35 AM
Will the airlines now forbid eating and drinking on planes? A mask won’t do any good if it is temporarily removed to eat or drink. Will gloves be required too? How often do the seats, arm rests, trays, overhead compartment handles, etc. get sanitized? Either we are fully protected from all germs on an airplane, or it is useless to take some precautions and do nothing in other areas. At this point, we may as well all walk around in hazmat suits.
Good. I see some of the states are relaxing the rules for customers to wear masks because they were threatening the workers. So it’s ok for the customers to potentially infect the low wage staff who likely have limited sick leave. The customers should have been told to go to another store or thrown out.
The message is that low wage staff lives don’t matter.
Today’s news was that a woman and her child tried to enter a Family Dollar store in Flint, Michigan. A security guard stopped them as the child did not have a mask on. The woman argued, left, and came back with a couple of guys. They shot and killed the guard.
Stillwater Oklahoma is a small city with a population of about 50,000. The city withdrew their mask ordinance after people started threatening store employees who were attempting to enforce the mask rule.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens when people with an attitude start boarding aircraft and refusing to put their mask back on.
So now flying is going to be even more miserable than it already was. Time for a return to driving vacations for us!
Can’t wait for them to shrink the seat size again and give us less leg room.
Kinda like shutting the gate after the horse ran away.
First of all it’s lovely that you can afford Flexjet. With a starting price of $160,000+ most people cannot.. Second unless you own your own private jet that sits in the hanger until you’re ready to use it you’re still getting on a plane other people have been in.
I don’t get why planes were not first to issue mask order mandatory… Your in a tiny cylinder confined to breathing the same circulated air and within 3 feet of each other… Makes no sense how they were not first to have to do it but people just outside in the sun at a park were ordered first to wear masks? Yeah? makes total sense… Talk about idiocy
Having having on two separate occasions after flying for several hours arrived at my destination very sick with a terrible flu, I agree 100%. I may never fly again without a serious mask on.
Agree, been on planes twice once for programing language training and half way across country to pick up a car. Didn’t get sick, just don’t like wall to wall flesh in a petri dish with wings and those flights were pre-TSA.
I was at my credit union the other day and they have a mask policy. They will let you in and hand you a mask if you don’t have one. It’s the wisest way to handle it.
Road trip.
This should have been first on the agenda. Everything is azz backwards,
Travel caused this monster in the first place 🙁
My husband is a retired commercial airline Captain…. and also one of our daughters has been a flight attendant on large jetliners for 30+ years, so please let me clarify a few things:
1. Cabin air comes from a continuous source of OUTSIDE air, which moves through the plane and enters intake returns back to outside the aircraft. Much earlier on in the pandemic, some major airlines were completely sanitizing every aircraft before every cross-country flight. The crews were/are undergoing medical checks and taking sanitization precautions as well.
2. Our daughter reports that these days ….. even with the drastically-reduced number of flights…. her First Class sometimes has only 3-4 passengers and her Cabin Class between 20-30. Once seated, passengers’ names are checked against the manifest, and then they are asked via speaker to reseat themselves wherever they like so as to keep social distancing. Passengers are willing to comply.
3. Silva, I used to suffer the same symptoms as you describe, and they could ruin an entire vacation! Finally, it dawned on me that it was only happening on the long cross-country and/or trans-oceanic flights. Once I was just SO sick after a return from Frankfurt that I made an appointment with our ENT specialist, telling the phone reservationist that I had a slight fever and “I think I have a “sinus infection and/or strep throat.“ So he ran me through the mill… swab culture and also a blood test for strep. A couple of days pass and he called to let me know that all test results were “negative”…. that it was an allergic reaction of some sort affecting my entire respiratory system. He prescribed…..(all together now because you know what he said” Benadryl, which way back then was by prescription only). Also, he told me always to place a wet handkerchief over my nose and mouth whenever I was to be on a long flight…. and to ask the flight attendant to keep my water glass filled so that I could re-dampen the cloth ”as necessary” (which turned out to be astonishingly OFTEN). Since then, I have never had a problem again! And, Silva, I absolutely know what you mean about feeling sooooooo sick, too, because I had far too many vacations RUINED by that horrid stuffiness, incessant coughing, reddened and itchy eyes, and fever.
If only each of us would try to protect ourselves and others at least just as hard as the airlines are trying!
Antler, that is great to know. I’d been misinformed that they recirculated the same air through the cabin during flights adding oxygen, by someone who should’ve known better🙄. Flying nowadays during this awful situation sounds unimaginably nice. I regret not to have had a chance to see it like that. We cancelled our trip in March/April because we didn’t want to run the risk of infecting my elderly MIL. I’ll have to just imagine, and live vicariously through your daughter’s description. Thank you for that! I’m blessed not to know what allergies, seasonal or otherwise feel like (I’m knocking for a wood spirit now, I can clearly hear my dear mom’s allergy prone voice saying “You can become allergic to anything at anytime!”😊). I’m glad you found a way to escape those truly awful symptoms. Cabin air is so uncomfortably dry it’s a wonder anything can live in it. When I became so sick shortly after arriving at my destination I think it really was the flu. Unfortunately both times some of the people I was visiting also became ill with what was likely the same nasty bugs, transmitted by me.😧
Will the airlines now forbid eating and drinking on planes? A mask won’t do any good if it is temporarily removed to eat or drink. Will gloves be required too? How often do the seats, arm rests, trays, overhead compartment handles, etc. get sanitized? Either we are fully protected from all germs on an airplane, or it is useless to take some precautions and do nothing in other areas. At this point, we may as well all walk around in hazmat suits.