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Today’s question:
QUESTION: Taking into account all the information you know so far, do you think the COVID-19 coronavirus originated in a lab in China, or in a wet market like the Chinese government is claiming??
Talk about it….
Lab.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-officials-raised-alarms-about-safety-issues-in-wuhan-lab-report-2020-4
Everyone should look at these links to get a feel for what happened at
that Wuhan Lab. Also remember that the PRC listed new, tighter requirements for lab procedures just after the world found out about COVID-19. This is the only level 4 lab in China, so any research about
the disease would occur here.
Batwoman has been expunged from China a la Orwell’s Ministry of Truth, as the Chinese continue to lie to safe face and save the party.
Who cares where it came from? It’s here.
When news first broke of the virus, many were saying it originated in the lab. Having the lab, and ground zero, in Wuhan, sure puts the two and two together.
Your logic is sound.
Yes.
Bad question! This virus originated in a bat and was brought to the lab for experimentation. Someone in the lab became infected and then took it outside to Wuhan! So the answer to your question is neither.
I think it was the other way around for this virus. I think it was made in a lab , then put in bats to cover where it came from.
Somewhere I read that lab animals which were routinely used for testing in Chinese laboratories occasionally turned up in the wet markets even though this would, of course, be against every scientific protocol related to use of lab animals. It was thought that workers at the labs sold animals that were no longer needed on the black market for extra cash.
There is ample evidence that the virus occurred naturally in one form of wildlife or another. I would need to see solid evidence that it was isolated and further cultivated in a lab.
Many similar viruses are found in wild bats, and it seems likely that is the origin of this one, probably via an intermediate host. Similarly, we know that both SARS and MERS came from bats, so there is no reason to invoke a laboratory accident or bio weapon. I do not believe it came from the wet markets either.
A variety of sources, including Newsweek, are now reporting that the virus was being ‘studied’ at the Wuhan lab. The virus was found in bats, and those bats used as hosts for the virus. Someone at the lab was infected somehow.
State Department cables indicated worry because the lab was pretty lax/sloppy long before this outbreak. I have read no credible report indicating this virus was created in a lab, just spread from one.
The response by the Communist Chinese government has been dishonest from the start, with researchers disappearing, technical papers disappearing from journals, number of infections/deaths under-reported, mode of spread ‘mis-reported’, etc…So their government will have to lie to cover prior lies to save face. The entire world, including the people of China, are the victims of this malpractice.
I definitely think a lab. My biggest question is was it leaks on purpose or accident
Until China decides or is pushed to be honest about its origin we may never know. My gut feeling is this was an accidental exposure at a lab.
Hopefully when this calms down we will eventually hear the truth.
A lab. In my humble opinion the wet market story is an attempt by the Chinese government to cover up the truth.
I will go with what intelligence agencies and scientists discover. They haven’t figured it out yet so why would I think I know?
Let the experts the experts before getting married to our non-evidence based opinions.
I’ll wait for some elected official to tell me and believe them 100% if they are part of my party. We should not say lab in China, it’s racist. We should say lab in a foreign land. Thank You.
Some lab someplace did something…
Good luck with that one!
Why are the Chinese denying the virus came from their lab? Look at what BP Petroleum and Union Carbide had to pay for their screw ups. In stead the wonderful Chinese Communists are selling faulty things related to virus care for large amounts. They just sold England twenty million dollars worth of virus test equipment that doesn’t work. China has to pay for this disaster.
Comparing those companies to Chine is not convincing. In BP and UC case the explosions were clear to see. Not so easy in this case and not any actual connection. You are about as convincing as the guy on Ancient Aliens: “Some people believe” blah blah blah. LOL
Jo jo the Potato
Thank you for your ignorant but thoughtful analysis. Your TDS is not your only problem.
A Lab
Why does it matter? Aren’t there better things to focus on to solve this issue?
It matters because China should pay for their mess. If they get off free it will be a bigger tragedy.
dan, why does it matter? We can’t trust them. We learned that the hard way. I heard a month+ ago that it was likely an accident from that lab that a worker spread,( from a good source), also about their stats not being accurate way back in Jan Not racist, couldn’t be from the people that I heard it from. Sad that 500 workers at a Smithfield meat processing plant in S Dakota tested positive for the virus, a month after a visit from several of the owners. The owners came from China to visit the plant–after the travel ban was in effect. China bought the Smithfield Co. back in 2013, with Obama’s approval. Do not buy China’s products. I have Chinese daughters in laws, know others, loved to visit China, the people are great, but we can’t trust their gov’t. They could have prevented a lot of deaths and financial disasters. Very sad.
A lab. And I hope you’re all ready for your forced vaccine
a market
This virus came from bats. Many people were questioned and no one saw any bats in the market. Could be why the Communists let the markets reopen.
Some might venture to guess the ultimate in election tampering, but not me.
Sure it matters Cyn,
Was there any malice or ill-intent?
Was it accident?
Was it from the markets or nature?
Can we learn from the cause?
Is there accountability to uphold?
Ok, from where it came??? Doesn’t matter to me as I sit here, but… I will be happy when my family member is out of quarantine.
At this point, isn’t it a question worthy of answer????
You may not, but many think so…
Thanks Claycord!
The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it.
You don’t have participate in any way shape or form Cyn. Good day:)
Yeah, I responded to Cyn also.
When Cyn’s comment was dumped, so was mine; Sad Face.
It DOES matter if a cover-up and lies by the Communist Chinese regime transformed an epidemic into a PANDEMIC. And if they have sloppy biolabs, there is a lot to learn. It also matters if the Bay Area has a silent infection rate 50 to 80 times (that’s 5000-8000% for public school graduates) than thought. Results from the Stanford University initial ‘random’ sampling can be found in the news, IF IT MATTERS.
I don’t know the answer to this question…
But what terrible thing was released at our “biggie lab” in Atlanta?
Was it anthrax?
Anthrax is a natural disease that has been around for centuries. Please don’t make up facts to confuse whatever issue that Chuckie was selling. Thanks.
Not sure. Right now I’m listening to Tom Sullivan, a conservative talk show host, he does his research, and he is not one to jump on any news, without looking into to it first. Although he is not talking about where the virus came from, he keep coming back to: There is so much about this virus we don’t know. He also mentioned that new research suggests that the first case might have been earlier than first thought, perhaps September. I don’t take anything anyone says as gospel. I do agree with Tom there is much about virus we don’t know. I don’t trust the Chinese government to tell us the truth, and I assume most feel the same way
Lab. Which is why Anthony Fauci has a patent on a Glycoprotein 120 found in it. Nobody says a thing though.
Richard Redfield of the CDC has a patent on Glycoprotein 160.
It’s a shame to see certain groups using this to further their agendas, for example: Vegans are all over the whole, “it originated in a wet market”.
Dr. Fauci has a patent on a technic used to attack that protein. It was part of his research on HIV. You are just demonstrating why the Internet Is so bad. You see this term, then google it, then post your misunderstanding of what you found. Then it gets repeated over and over by more internet “experts”. With a bit of truth mixed with a huge lie you make your reputation. Sorry, but you are just a big loser.
@Anon, lol! Why don’t you google Dr Fauci and the patent? If you do, you’ll find the US Patent office record. Dr. Fauci is listed as one of the inventors, but he neither submitted the patent nor has any ownership of it. The US government owns it. Dr Fauci is a government employee, therefore whatever he discovers on the job is owned by the government. This discovery was from his research on HIV.
Once again, you have no idea what youre talking about. All you do is parrot the right-wing email chain that shows up in your inbox, with zero comprehension of what Fauci’s patent is about.
In October of 2019 Bill Gates ran a simulation of a wide spread pandemic with John Hopkins Hospital called “Event 201” Bill Gates & Barack Obama released a docuseries on Netflix called PANDEMIC in January 2020 right before the Wuhan virus was “discovered.” The docuseries pushed the need for the Gates Foundation to receive funding to carry on virus research to prevent the next PANDEMIC! Bill Gates funded the Wuhan lab in China that released the Wuhan virus. Bill Gates was a member of China’s “Academy of Sciences” which build the Wuhan lab, and he was awarded their highest honor. The Wuhan virus was originally developed at the University of North Carolina by NIH grants approved by the Obama administration in 2012. The NIH defunded the UNC research in 2016, so the Communist Chinese scientists left the UNC and took their work to the (newly built) Wuhan lab in 2017. Keep digging.
So we learned a few years ago the Chinese developed a type of missile specifically designed to destroy aircraft carriers. And now this virus from China disabled an aircraft carrier without firing a shot. I’m sure its just coincidence.
Neither, it does NOT exist! It is merely a cold or flu, just like every other year but a weaker strain. Start using your brains and stop listening to paid off politicians, news pundits and Gov doctors and scientists. There are hundreds of people in the scientific community who are expressing the same. They know this entire fiasco is fake and only a social-engineering agenda to pass draconian laws and implement compulsory vaccinations. Do your own research and stop being so naive!
Look who is making the money and scoring the glory as a result of this. It’s winning through intimidation, a special talent of medical professional machine.
Yea, that is why the entire world is on lockdown, You are smarter than thousands of experts. Dad gum it. Thank the good Lord most people do not think it is fake news. Good grief. I think you got it backwards. I really feel sorry for you. You must believe that Trump really thinks it is fake news. Bawaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Go ahead and be running around without any protection. I just hope you do not infect anyone. Perhaps a bit of wise counseling is needed here. Geesh you are hard to believe, yet I see there is a small number of you that think like you. Try to stay away from people please.
Hate to break it to you, popcorn, but Peter Johnson doesn’t sound any more extreme than you do. Your extremism just goes a different direction.
I don’t know where or how it started, but I think there may be more than those two options.
Created in a lab and purposely let out in Wuhan. All orchestrated.
It doesn’t matter what we think…only the truth matters.
Which ‘truth’? The one coming out of Communist China? And I would argue that it does matter what the public ‘thinks’. A lot of people around the world are scared and/or P.O.’d. Where will their anger be aimed when all of this is over?
I’m guessing that Not Made in Communist China is a label/sign that we will see more of in the future.
Explain to me the type of research, methods, dats needed to indicate one source vs the other. Then show me the data, the analysis. Then I’ll listen to your “opinion”.
Take about fake news… geez
When was it created, a few years back? It sure got to all corners of this Big Blue Marble REAL FAST.
It’s both. Started in the lab and moved to the wet markets
What’s the difference between a Chinese wet market and a Chinese lab?
Answer @ 5 pm tomorrow.
If the Communist Chinese were looking to destroy the US economy could they have found any more effective way? This walks like a duck and quacks like a duck so my money is on the lab. The big question is how do we make them pay for their crime?
Well, figure it out. In the meantime tRUMP downplayed it’s existence and as a result countless people have died. Countless others became ill AND may suffer long-lasting health issues as a result. Thanks tRUMP. This is ALL on YOU.
President Trump closed travel from Communist China, and then Democrats and the Liberal Media Complex accused him of being a racist. Then, they made up an entirely fake news timeline to protect themselves.
Trump acted too late. No matter how he spins this.
We get it Ozzie. You would have preferred the President usurp all the powers you correctly claim he doesn’t have a lot sooner.
You are right! This is very serious and a sad time for many people.
In the lab….and accidentally got spread via the wet market.
If the virus originated from a bat, is that why a “bat” is on the quarter for year 2020?
Lab
From the Wuhan lab that the U.S. funds & then kept quiet & diminished by the WHO that the U.S. funds.
There is really no doubt that this was developed in a laboratory. The accelerated spread of the virus has been.nearly perfect. Something you would expect from a weapon. The fact that CCP has kicked out ALL foreign reporters and are now kicking out all black people is insane. Their illegal nuclear testing and bioweapons investment is obvious. The doctors who disappeared and their families… Internal reporters and bloggers and their families… Gone. Yes, it was a.bioweapons… the wet market was a cover-up. Governments don’t just shut down over a naturally occurring virus… This was planned.. the question is, who else is in on it.. stay tuned. Also, there are a lot of CCP’s in this thread.. tread carefully.
Backward engineered story meant to fit an anti-Trump position. I assume you believe the China/WHO explanation, which is pure propaganda.
It originated in that lab in Wuhan, 100% sure of it.
The man that discovered the HIV virus has an opinion. Dr Luc Montagnier.
No links allowed? Look up Citizen Free Press. At the top 7:50 am.
If you would like to read an interesting (short) article about the three separate variants of the virus and how and why it may not even have originated in Wuhan you could google the following; “Coronavirus may have started spreading as early as September, say British scientists who are studying its mutations”.
In the end, wherever the blame falls is it the truth? witch source is the truth? who will really know? people are sitting in prison for crimes they didn’t commit. that is a true fact
I agree that the question as an either or is poorly worded. I also agree that it most likely neither. The most likely origin of the virus is bats.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html
Note this source cites studies in Nature which is one the most respected scientific journals in the world and not national review which is a known right-wing mouth piece.
The reason for bats is that they have a highly evolved immune system, much better than ours. They have to have this because they do not practice social distancing of any sort, often there being less than an inch between individuals in a cave. The question then becomes how did it get from bats to humans. There are two hypotheses. One, the virus was acquired directly by a farmer harvesting bat droppings as fertilizer or two, an intermediate host (possibly pangolin) that found its way into a “wet market”. I don’t believe that the Chinese government did any worse than the Trump administration in trying to cover-up the nature of the virus (remember “come spring it will magically disappear”)(in fact the Chinese doctor who courageously brought the virus to the attention of the world in spite of government pressure should be awarded some sort of medal). Nor do I believe that it “escaped” from a lab. I have met many Chinese scientists over the years. They are just as competent and ethical as any American scientist. Also, even if the lab in Wuhan was studying coronaviruses it is unlikely they were culturing them from nature. The consensus among most molecular biologists these days is that is much easier and safer to simply extract the nucleic acid from a sample (l.e. bat droppings) which could not accidently become infectious. Also, even if the Chinese goverment were experimenting with viruses as biowarfare agents its not likely they would do it in the middle of a metropolis. It is not out of the question though since our own goverment has done this sort of work that has had an effect on unsuspecting citizens, i.e. spraying Serratia in the bay area in 1950:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray
escaped Ebola like virus in Reston VA in 1989:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/10/ebola-1989-outbreak/13860929/
and, a nerve agent in Dugway Utah in 1968:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugway_Proving_Ground#%22Sheep_Kill%22_incident
Thus, with all that being said because I have entirely too much time on my hands:
IT’S BATS!!
It came from Communist China and that’s all we need to know. Now they must pay.
The politicians who put us in this position should also pay. Allowing Communist China to control essential medical provisions is a national security issue and we need to find out who in the Bush, Clinton, Obama administration s allowed this to happen. Was it the state departments? Was it Hillary? Congress? Who the hell allowed this to take place?
Lab, probably due to a lab worker performing unsafe work practices, not wearing the proper PPE
That’s just a guess. You are ignoring all the evidence of what the RNA actually shows. But if you want to keep building your conspiracy, go for it. Lots of other ignorant people will feel good to follow along.
Lab definitely, it was a well calculated move to destroy countries and their economies in order to bring about new world order