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QUESTION: With more and more fires being caused by electrical issues (downed lines, poles, etc.), do you think companies should have a plan to put all their power lines underground, especially in high-risk areas?
Talk about it….
Would be nice, but at what cost to the public.
Hawaii is too darn dem liberal to actually prepare and do what’s right before this happened. They have the siren tests all the time but the smucks can’t sound it when they need to.
Now the smuck governor there blames the whole thing on global warming. You know you just can’t fix stupid.
Your power works 365 days a year. And an extra day every four years. Think about that. 🤔
Stop trying to blame power companies for freak weather, or forest fires with housing built here and there. If the housing wasn’t built there, no need for power lines.
Sure, would be nice for underground power, but what about earthquakes. Toooooo many what ifs.
There is no right answer. And I highly doubt anyone would what to pay for it.
Undergrounding is little more than a placating publicity stunt.
Folks say yes bury the unsightly lines thinking poles will come down.
Take a drive on Kirker Pass Road and look at what undergrounding accomplished.
When done poles are still there they came back thru and sawed off top portion of poles.
Phone and fiber cables are still up on poles.
Above ground power lines can be repaired in hours, below ground lines can be repaired in days to weeks.
Undergrounding will be used to influence future trial juries.
Power lines underground don’t go bad if done right. Just like the lines in your house. If done right they last forever. How much would it cost to replace Clayton?
Cable reels don’t hold all that much cable so they need to be spliced together.
Splicing of cable has to be done correctly if not there can be a failure.
Greatest enemies of those cables is a bad splice (poor workmanship) that eventually fails, (burns up) and moisture. Cable splicing is a precise art.
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Kirker Pass undergrounding used CPVC pipes run between concrete vaults closed with steel covers.
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Do not believe pge is undergrounding high voltage transmission lines only distribution lines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-wQnWUhX5Y
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There is a DC transmission line buried out in the river, runs between Pittsburg and SF.
There is something like 400 cables under the ocean going from continent to continent. I think they have that problem worked out.
I’ll add to what Original G wrote which is that the wires are inspected using thermal imaging cameras. Weak spots are warm. Very weak spots are hot. With overhead lines the cameras are mounted helicopters which fly over the lines. One crew can inspect hundreds of miles, possibly thousands of miles, per day.
They use robots known as pigs to inspect underground cables. The pigs are lowered into utility vaults using a crane, the end of a conduit is uncapped, and the pig is sent in which crawls through the conduit and then needs to crawl back so that it can be removed from the conduit. They seal up the conduit. Conduits are sealed and kept pressurized with air to keep water from intruding. A loss of pressure also indicates the conduit is compromised. If that’s the case they send another pig down that has microphones and can hear the air whistling out of a hairline crack. The pig moves another few feet and listens again. A crew is lucky to inspect a dozen miles a day.
Above ground wires are subjected to the sun, tree branches, and wind. Underground they sit. Have you ever had an electrician come into your house to inspect all of the wires?
Sorry, but “they” (not the power companies) got too drunk on their power and secret tech that people are seeing right through these ‘fires’.
The fires skipped over the high dollar homes but destroyed the indigenous homes???
I prefer above ground for all lines, cables and what not, nothing underground cept dead people.
Drunk drivers can’t crash into underground power lines and knock out all your electricity on the hottest day of the year,
JURYISOUT Do you have a reason for that view?
It would have helped Lahaina. It would have been a good idea to shut the power down when the winds reached a certain point. They knew when powerlines and trees would start falling and did nothing. Even PG&E cut power lines off when wind conditions were predicted. So many brain dead people in charge. Take the billions we are giving to the Ukraine and bury all the lines.
The Lahaina water system depends on wells. I’ve seen comments that the city doesn’t have a water tower that would maintain the pressure in the water mains. Instead, they depend on wells with electric pumps to feed the water system, including the fire hydrants. Once the electrical power is shut down, there’s no water available to fight fires. There doesn’t seem to have been a any good solution to this unprecedented disaster. It’s hard to get people to pay for protection from every conceivable catastrophe. There’s no easy, cheap solution.
Look there are norms and we pay for them all the time. Nothing is cheap. If they needed power for water to run that would be a really dumb thing.
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No. Not **ALL** lines need to be undergrounded. The cost to businesses and residents would be horrendously high and therefore further increase rates.
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Cities and counties with high risk/fire prone areas under specific criteria should identify those areas and work with the CPUC to underground those lines under a phased priority approach.
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Power lines are underground in some cities because because there is a substructure there for it. Otherwise burying all power lines will be very expensive and you think your energy bill is high now. Besides reviewing what happened in Maui they are noting strange things like how selective the fire was, burning down one building while the one next to it is completely unscathed. There is much talk of directed energy weapons, a very real technology and thought to have been used in the Paradise fire. Perhaps the real solution is to take control out of hands of psychopaths.
As long as the stockholders pay for it yes.Our bills are high enough now.And we would be footing the bill.
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PG&E is currently in the process of burying wires in the high risk fire areas. It’s a costly project, and our utility rates could go up as much as 100% or more. Wires puling electricity are hot, in the open air, the heat will dissipate, but buried underground it can’t, so that means underground wires would require a special cover to keep them from overheating. Repairing underground wires will also add to the cost. California is prone to earthquakes, that means PG&E would have to identify fault lines before any digging can occur, and if there is an earthquake, PG&E would have to dig up the ground to fix the problem.
It can be done, but at a high cost.
I could be done for about the same cost as the tragedy in Hawaii will cost. So the next town that doesn’t burn down is money saved. We just gave the Ukraine over a hundred billion dollars for a totally stupid war that never should have happened.
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“The book chronicles the events of August 8-11, 2023” THIS BOOK WAS RELEASED ON AUGUST 10TH!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!! WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON HERE???
It is a cry for climate change money. Just more of the madness going on in the world. If the climate was changing there is not a thing anyone could do about it. Certainly not just one or two countries. Certainly not the battery thing they have working now.
They were told 2 years ago something like this was going to happen if they didn’t mitigate the dangers. They choose to do nothing because it was too expensive and now 2 years later we have this. If you’re not going to be proactive then you get what you sow.
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Paradise fire was mentioned,
‘ABC10 obtained 1,500 pieces of photo and video evidence used to convict PG&E of 85 felonies in the Camp Fire, but thousands of pages remain sealed by court order.’
https://tinyurl.com/5cdkx76u
MUST SEE, photos of excessive wear in high voltage transmission line components will shock you.
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“The Wall Street Journal is reporting, via records given to the paper by consumer advocates and attorneys for victims of the Camp Fire, that PG&E had plans to replace multiple towers, wires, and other pieces of hardware on the line beginning six years ago. That maintenance work was deferred repeatedly in the intervening years, with the last plans to start work in June 2018 — though that work never began.”
https://tinyurl.com/2ja369mn
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jaFNPPXMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuTt-wWvREk
Yes – but it’s expensive to retrofit – who pays then? as if I have to ask
It is pay me now or pay me more later.
It’s not affordable to bury them. Thank goodness we’re getting the heck out of this sorry state…
We moved in to our house in 1971. built 1969.ALL lines were underground. No problems so far.
…ours are all underground too but we’re still getting PG&E outages due to their EPSS 🙁
No a lot of these fires that are being blamed on electrical lines actually turned out to be arsonists like in the state of Washington the state of Oregon up in Northern California and possibly on the island of Maui we will eventually get to the bottom of that that Canadian fire was highly suspicious and most likely set by arsonist they are usually led by left-wing anarchist groups
Setting fires is also an easy way for anti American terrorists to strike us and we have thousands of foreigners illegally crossing the border into the USA on a daily basis now thanks to our Traitor In Chief allowing this outright invasion. A couple hundred arrests of people on the terrorist watch list have been caught at the border since Biden took office and over 1.2 million “gotaways” are here now and we have no clue as to who they are.
All these major, unprecedented forest fires in CA, Colorado, Australia, Hawaii and elsewhere are Government operated through geoengineering and DEW Technology. Their purpose is to drive people out of the wildlands and into the cities so they can then be controlled and more easily monitored, not to mention the elites can subsequently buy up all the scorched property at pennies on the dollar later on.
Agenda 2030 is in full force yet the majority of the populace, as usual, has their heads buried deeply into the sand for whatever reason.
Cool story, Bro!
@Tinfoil Alert:
As I intimated in my first comment: ignorance must be bliss! Go bury your head in the sand where it belongs! You and too many other people are the reason why the elites get away with their agendas including the Civid LIE. Your poor children deserve better DNA!
LOL! and they will round us up into fenced in areas?
As I understand it the cause was a grass fire fed by non-native grasses in abandoned Pineapple plantations that was pushed by 60 MPH winds. What does that have to do with Global Climate Change? NOTHING…
Buzz words are there for liberals with attention span of a fungus gnat.
Same ones incapable of searching for facts on their own, while believing propaganda that’s pushed to device in their hand.
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“All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be…” –ah 1924
No, keep the lines above ground. This is a scam and a gimmick for special interests.
Something to consider. Insurance companies are leaving the state without property insurance because of fires.
Yes. Imagine if they had originally been buried during Rural Electrification.