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The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday in the noon hour.
QUESTION: Do you think there is a way for schools to prevent school shootings?
Talk about it.
Yes, keep armed guards on the school grounds, let teachers who want carry carry, and stop teaching kids anything but reading, writing, arithmetic, and honest/factual history. A little economics wouldn’t hurt either.
FYI.
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There is a bill in Sacramento to require a personal finance course prior to high school graduation.
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For over 40 years I’ve wondered why personal finance education wasn’t taught..
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I hope this common sense requirement becomes part of the curricula. Of course, content implementation matters but it’s a start.
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Would get new hires into our shop who could not balance a check book and didn’t know the difference between simple and compound interest.
If the personal finance class had an honest example of the costs of student loans, it would dramatically decrease college enrollment.
This would never happen, but I bet if you could somehow remove social media until graduation day, society in general would be a lot sane respectful. A lot of how children behave begins in the home and discipline is sorely missing among many of our young and some adults unfortunately.
I doubt those who are evil and/or disturbed enough to want to shoot children have anything to do with what is taught in school.
Yes de-escalate the psychological war going on from all areas of our society. Use common sense and armed guards at schools like we do banks, celebrities, politicians and other critical things. Nothing says you care more about money then kids when you won’t protect them like you do financial institutions. Oh oh money is so important, but let’s leave the schools in protected…democrats are pure evil.
One way in with a police officer on guard.That is about the best that can be done.But until we start putting these criminals to death on the spot it will continue.Taking my guns away won’t solve a thing.The four schools around me are not protected at all.
Even putting them to death wont help all. The trans woman knew she was going to die that day. She didn’t care.
Ricardo You are of course right, a good percentage of mass shooters, not just school shooting, are suicidal, so threath of death would not deter them. I don’t think there is a way to prevent all mass shootings. Even if the teachers are armed, that would just cause more confusion. Then when the police arrive how do they know who is the real shooter? Soldiers gets killed by friendly fire, I assume they have the best training when it comes to firearms. So what could possibily go wrong when amateurs are armed and placed in tense emergency situation. Right now I think perhaps metal detectors, and making sure those mentally disturbed and suicidal don’t have guns, of course that is not fool proof, nothing is, unfortunately.
On a completely voluntary basis, arm and train teachers, and school staff, to use lethal force against a shooter.
By no means a perfect solution but a solution nonetheless.
It is a sad state of affairs but that is probably all that can be done and hope for the best. There will be schools where no teacher would volunteer. Some will be able to have a police person around.
For sick people it seems to be a thing now. No one shoots children, or anyone else, when they have a functioning brain. Background checks for gun purchases looks for criminal history but not if a doctor is giving you mind altering drugs. Let’s pretend. The headmaster of the last school heard shots fired and rushed to the scene where she was shot dead. As a brave woman, which she was, suppose she reached into her desk and pulled out her Glock before she went to investigate. Not sure if we could put a policeman in every school but if there is a teacher with guts and the ability to fire a pistol and is stable, maybe a few of them could be armed with a concealed weapon. The crazies it appears will keep on coming. No one can stop them.
Yes…no one can stop them. Especially when red flags are raised but fall on deaf ears. In many of these cases (not all) warnings are given before the act.
Yes!
1. Metal detectors in all schools.
2. Have only 1 entry point for elementary schools.
For high schools, middle schools, and colleges it’s different because the campuses are obviously bigger and there’s different hallways and buildings but for each door, have metal detectors and figure out a system where only staff and students can enter each building or hallway.
3. Armed security!
Have volunteers with proper background checks and screenings, former military/ veterans, and have staff members who volunteer to carry with proper training and background checks, of course.
4. Have proper drills with students in case of active shooter or any individual who comes to the campuses with a weapon or threats.
5. Visitors on campus MUST have an authorized badge or visitors pass.
The trans woman found the door locked so she shot her way through.
@countrygal
Yes, one point of entry met with a metal detector and an armed guard/officer. The last time I went for jury duty, there was only one way in that building for me and I was met by several armed deputies and a metal detector. If it works for courthouses, it should be able to work for schools.
Start with Mentel health! Just remember with taking guns away or gun control the bad guys will always have access to black-market guns they will always be armed!
Bring in ALL the retired military men and woman to volunteer at the schools. Before covid Highlands Elementary in Pittsburg had a group of volunteer dads (retired military or firemen) on campus. After the schools went back, the dads are no long there.
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1. Closed campuses
2. Limited entry/egress points.
3. Armed security guards, two minimum.
4. Allow teachers/professors to conceal n carry at their option.
5. Campus identification required and visible at all times.
6. Check-in/check-out procedures.
7. Metal detectors
8. Bag searches
9. Random bag n locker searches.
10. Surveillance cameras everywhere.
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Welcome to the reality of the lawless and mentally unstable society that liberals, progressives, Democrats have promoted and perpetuated.
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This is how many schools there are in the US 115,576. No way can you find that many law enforcement officers to cover that.
I did not specify armed security guards would consist of sworn officers.
I’m sure there are men and women out there who would be interested. In fact, honorably discharged US armed forces veterans would be prime candidates.
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NO, otherwise it’d be done already. Can you stop drug abuse, NO. Can you stop DUI’s, NO. Can you stop people from electing idiots to be California politicians, NO. Need I go on…
Ban assault weapons
Define assault weapon, please
No offense, but that is just a silly phrase. Ban (make illegal) assault (a physical, and lately, verbal attack) weapons (anything can be a weapon) is nothing more than a simplistic phrase that if implemented, would have little to no impact. Maybe stop trying to change how to identify mental illness, one of the “gun controls,” as my understanding is this mentally ill individual had a legally purchased carbine.
Home schooling. Problem solved. As for the public school shootings, someone hell bent on killing people will always find a way. If not inside the building then during recess. If not with a gun, then with a knife or a car or a bomb or poison or fire and on and on. Until we figure out how to identify and fix or secure the broken humans, bad things will continue to unfold. Sad but true.
Home schooling is not a feasible option for many, especially since most households are 2 income households, and then there are single parents, on top of that, and you have to be able to comprehend and have the patience to teach all requirements.
We will not stop the crazies because we support them with free stuff. The crazies acquire guns through legitimate means or steal them. We do not stop mentally ill folks from owning firearms … we should. So if we are not going to take the needed actions, we must take other actions.
Arm the teachers, those that are willing. The state, or I am sure local gun clubs might even be willing to donate the time required to provide the needed training for them. The gun and ammo purchase can be a tax write off as school equipment. A teacher in service day can include training with local LE in addition to the other items they do.
Yes, it would be great to update the classrooms with bullet proof this/that or have a LE present at all times, but where does that money come from?
@ Parent ~ “Under 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”
https://tinyurl.com/54xj5rry
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Dr, the specifics are appreciated. I was sure there were laws around that but my point is slightly different.
Today, you may have already purchased the weapon and ammo. After that you are 5150, 72 hour hold or more … your ability to own those weapons is not reevaluated by some of the mental health agencies. If you are 5150’d or placed (voluntarily or not) on a 72, you should have to turn in all weapons, that was where I was going with my earlier statements.
Dr. J,
Unfortunately, it’s virtually unheard of for anybody to be prosecuted for lying on a 4473 form, and it’s pretty common for mental health holds, etc. to not be reported to the DOJ, so some nut jobs do manage to slip through the cracks (e.g, Hunter Biden). Just another example of how gun laws don’t work if you don’t enforce them.
I agree with you Chicken Little…. so why do lefties want to add any new laws if authorities don’t enforce the laws already on the books anyway?
One gate in – monitored all day – with metal detectors – guard on duty is armed… he / she doesn’t have to be at gate but in very close proximity (just so it doesn’t make the kids nervous), rigorous training for all teaching staff, discussion with the kids on a regular basis …. would this happen in this lib “progressive” Bay Area? no way …..
BTW – did you see the raises approved for MDUSD ? teachers to custodians? ridiculous…. open your wallet
stop the bullying and offer more mental help and anger management.
Yes. Ban every semi automatic weapon with a removable magazine. That leaves plenty of weapons for target shooting, hunting, and home defense.
But we won’t do that because after Sandy Hook it became clear that people don’t actually care about protecting children. They have done nothing because children’s lives don’t matter to them.
The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with target shooting or hunting, and only a tangential relationship with home defense.
Which well regulated militia do you belong to?
@ chuq
We the People..
@ LJ you the people have reasonable limits placed upon your rights. For example you have the right to free speech – but that doesn’t give you the right to commit slander or libel. Freedom of speech doesn’t let you
Sensible limits on guns are needed.
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Who defines sensible? The people that are afraid of guns, or do not understand them? Is it someone who lives in the rural setting or the urban setting? Cause depending on your background and location, the definition of sensible may be different.
Sounds like CHUQ is agreeing that the thousands of regulations already in place are NOT sensible.
It seems like our elected officials and appointed judges get to decide on sensible. That’s basic civics.
Does it say the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, or the right of the people?
Does it say Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press except if the words are untrue, and malicious or obscene and…?
You have the freedom to liable and slander whoever you want. What are you talking about? I may cost you money but you definitely are free to do it. Again a democrat who don’t know nothing.
OK Chuq, nice straw man. By the way, all of those things you mentioned are protected under the first amendment unless damages or injury can be proven at law.
Did you see Pelosi tweet that Trump will have a chance to prove his innocence? The level of misunderstanding of the most basic pillars of our Constitutional Republic among elected officials is downright frightening.
You seem to be unfamiliar with the first amendment which has limitations on it. You can be prosecuted for your speech. Please familiarize yourself with libel and slander laws.
Prosecuted or sued? Do you know the difference little fella? Let me help you. I could say ANYTHING I want about you with complete immunity UNLESS…now listen carefully, unless I cause you to lose money. Then you could SUE me and you would have to prove my words caused your FINANCIAL loss. It is NEVER a “crime” to be “prosecuted”. I could yell fire in a crowded theater anytime I want and no cop could arrest me. You are so undereducated, it’s sad really.
Defamation laws only apply to “untrue words” when the source of those words knows that they are untrue and damages can be proven at law. You and I are free to lie all day long if we so choose. Guess what? The earth is flat and the moon is made of cheese. Sue me. Maybe a refresher course in simple civics is overdue for you.
That’s right chuq, they care more about the banks than the kids. It’s crazy right? Guarding money and politicians with guns but schools just ain’t worth it. Wild
Really ? ? ? mass shooter brings multiple weapons, as weapon goes empty they discard and use next full one, when it goes empty they use next full one. Revolver usually holds six rounds, five revolvers equals 30 bullets. That’s equal to an ugly gun with a 30 round clip.
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Gun free zones are little more than a guaranteed free fire kill zone for the rabid mentally ill killer, until a good guy shows up with a gun and gives them a forever dirt nap.
Teach children moral ethics, so when they become adults, certain values will be ingrained in them. Principles concerning good and bad behavior, and the distinction between right and wrong. Kids should be taught to be proud of their country, and of our country’s history. They can start the day with the Pledge of Allegiance, and once in a while they can sing The Star Spangled Banner, or America The Beautiful. It can help them feel a sense of pride in their country and that of their fellow countryman. By instilling moral ethics, more children will grow up feeling good about themselves, and other people, and will be less likely to have a chip on their shoulder, wanting to do harm.
Could we teach the politicians first ?
Japan’s gun control laws work; no mass shooting or school shooting in the country. Maybe we can ask them how.
“Japan’s gun control laws work; no mass shooting or school shooting in the country.”
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Evil people use next available method to kill partial list,
2008 Akihabara massacre Weapons Truck, dagger, Deaths 7, Injured 10
26 July 2016 Sagamihara stabbings Weapons Knives, hammer, Deaths 19, Injured 26 (13 severe)
6 October 2017 Komatsu family murder 6 dead
28 May 2019 Kawasaki stabbings 3 dead, 18 injured
18 July 2019 Kyoto Animation arson attack, 36 dead, 33 injured
17 December 2021 Osaka building fire, 25 dead, 3 injured
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Evil people exist in every country.
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Look up Bath School disaster, no firearms involved.
Don’t forget the recent assassination of Shinzo Abe – shot twice at close range with a homemade shotgun.
Maybe this will help.
https://japan.kantei.go.jp/constitution_and_government_of_japan/constitution_e.html
Easy answer Paul.
Japan does not have mass shootings because they are not saddled with Bloods, Crips, Nortenos, Surenos, every race, ethnicity, and third world nation invading their country bringing their gangs and gang warfare with them. That is where the majority of mass shootings come from, gangs shooting each other (BTW- any shooting with more than 4 victims qualifies as a “mass” shooting) Gangs are always at war with each other over their drug trade and they smuggle tons of it into our nation because we have a very large customer base and open borders…Thanks Joe.
Speaking of the border I wonder how many terrorists have crossed over it undetected?
Maybe you’re only concerned with school shootings?
Remember what happened in Beslan, Russia when Chechen rebels took over a school?
Pray that never happens here.
Schools are such easy soft targets and that is why crazy people target them.
Why don’t we put Biden’s new army of 87,000 IRS agents on hold and hire 87,000 armed guards to guard our schools instead?
Because fleecing taxpayers is more important to Joe than protecting our kids?
While we’re at it why don’t we admit the problem of the school shootings is mostly mental health issues and the nation’s lack of response to that problem?
Homicidal maniacs won’t stop killing if they can’t find a gun…use your imagination, they have lots of options…. and if they really want to, they will find a gun anyway, no matter how many you take away from law abiding citizens (the only one’s who will comply with your confiscation).
Yes, by protecting them the same way we protect the President of the USA, by using armed guards.
Yes, reduce the access to assault style weapons. Won’t prevent school shootings, but will probably reduce them. I’m not sure anything else will work, maybe look at other countries that do not have this issue and see what they do? That’s not big amongst those on the right…
Also, people who stand by the 2nd amendment and defend, need to chill out. Our founding fathers didn’t have multi-round magazines in their weapons, they single-shot rifles and pistols. I highly doubt the 2nd amendment would exist if those who wrote it knew what futuristic weapons looked liked.
Three words: Incarcerate the criminally insane.
Telephones, television and the internet didn’t exist at the time either. Should freedom of the press be limited to what they can print on manual presses and distribute by hand? The founding fathers knew the people had the right to the same weapons as the government. That in mind, consider the limitations that have already been placed on the peoples’ right to bear arms.
It’s funny that some people think the founding fathers didn’t have the foresight to anticipate advancements in all endeavors, including firearms. They had more insight into human nature than any group of Americans before or since.
And by the way, there were several repeating firearms and cannons available before the 2nd Amendment was ratified. I guess the founders were just too busy to exclude them, huh?
I haven’t seen your name here before. I’m a regular here, I was born and raised in Denmark, I came to the US in my twenties, late sixties. First of all I don’t remember reading about many shcool or mass shootings in the sixties and seventies, in this country, could be I was not paying attention, but I always followed the news.
Denmark and most European countries don’t have school shooting or mass shooting, some but not nearly as often as in the US. I grew up in the country, all farmers had guns, many were hunters, the most I heard of shootings were, some teen ager playing with a gun and they didn’t know it was loaded and went off accidential killing a person. Also a teen age boy somehow got shot by a hunter by accident, think he didn’t stay where he was suppose to. That is the only 2 incidents of tragic shootings I remember growing up. I don’t have an answer as to how to stop these tragic events. I know in Denmark family is very important, and we are a small country so everyone live fairly close to their family. However, as far as I can tell most Americans are no different when it come to family, they care about their children and want the best for them. That is not true in all families, but neither is it true for European families or Danish families as well, we have our share of disfunctional families, I would say my dad came from a somewhat disfunctional family. He was the oldest of 7 boys, my grandmother was a very strong women, my grandfather, a gambler, domineering, my grandmother held the family together, even ran a pension and other endevaours back when most women did not work (my dad was born in 1905) never the less, my dad and all his brothers grew up to become productive members of society, all had a profession, (gardner, machinist, carpenter etc.) all, except for one, married and raised a family. Sorry, I got off track a little. My point is there is no good reason why these shooting happen with more frequency in the US than in Europe, Australia.
AJR, My comments about how other countries were meant to be a reply to your post Somehow it ended further down. You make some good points, I do support the second amendment, but I think if the founding fathers could have foreseen what weapons would be available one day, it would have been worded differently.
I heard Kenneth C Davies (he is a historian who have written several books on history, especially on the founding fathers) explain that the 2nd amendment is not meant to be totally unrestricted.
So many mixed metaphors on this board. You all decried the taking away of freedoms, police state tactics during the pandemic and now you want armed campuses. Definitely weird.
Stop making these sites “Gun Free Zones.” That is an open invitation for anyone who wants to commit the crime.
More guns have lead to more acts of gun violence. How many guns before the violence stops?
There’s never been a school shooting at a school with armed guards. The Nashville shooter eliminated one of her potential targets because of the presence of security.
“The Trace, a nonprofit newsroom that focuses on gun issues, found that in Santa Fe and in three other prominent shootings in 2018 — Kentucky’s Marshall County High School in January; Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in February; Maryland’s Great Mills High School in March — “attackers stormed campuses despite the presence of armed guards.” In each case, guards failed to stop the shooter from killing.”
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https://www.poynter.org/fact checking/2022/do-armed-school-police-officers-prevent-shootings/
Lovely link to an opinion from a nonprofit…🤣🤣 You can do better jwb
No need for me to do better. If you want to make the claim that “there’s never been a school shooting at a school with armed guards” it’s up to you to show that the “lovely” statement by a nonprofit that there were at least 4 school shootings during 2018 with armed guards present is false for each of the listed shootings.
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I’m waiting……
Nice link. 404’d. Very credible source. Anxious to see if this is one of the agenda driven sources that lists an accidental discharge at a police academy as a school shooting.
Jwb, your posts are as useful as they’ve always been. I know you’re trying little fella. Keep it up and someday you’ll be a real boy. 404 credible source 👏🏼👏🏼
Well feel free to present your evidence that it was an accidental discharge at a police academy. And what was your source for your original claim?
You’re useless jwb. Shouldn’t you be eating your crayons or something? You literally post the most useless fake information ever.
Yep. Turns out I didn’t check my work before posting, and when your link didn’t work I lost interest in the exchange. What I meant to write and and didn’t proofread before posting is that there’s never been a school shooting where teachers are armed.
And yet SAM has no evidence to dispute the information I posted. That’s so sad.
How many guns? It appears the transgender enthusiasts are just getting started with their reign of gun violence, so it will likely be a while. As they are in vogue right now, I doubt anyone will try to thwart them. In fact it’s quite the opposite:
Kill on Monday and the Biden Administration gives them their very own holiday on Friday. That’s a powerful reinforcement reward encouraging additional bad behavior.
AJR, My comments about how other countries were meant to be a reply to your post Somehow it ended further down. You make some good points, I do support the second amendment, but I think if the founding fathers could have foreseen what weapons would be available one day, it would have been worded differently.
I heard Kenneth C Davies (he is a historian who have written several books on history, especially on the founding fathers) explain that the 2nd amendment is not meant to be totally unrestricted.
Take down those stupid gun free zone signs and put these up.
https://tinyurl.com/yh6ztz9k
Paul is correct, the Japanese use knives to kill schoool children. Read the Japanese news !
Take down those stupid gun free zone signs and put these up.
https://tinyurl.com/yh6ztz9k (corrected URL)
Stop morons from having kids. THAT is the only way to stop all this. The lack of accountability in people, in general, is astounding, and the government makes it worse.
That must be the mad push to make eunuchs out of the children…
@ Sam exactly… they’ve opted for a gentler approach to eugenics
All kinds of families can have mentally disturbed children. Not every child, teen ager or adult that have mental issues comes from bad families. Don’t we all know a great family with a member that could be described as a black sheep, however their other children are fine. This whole issue is very complex, there is no easy answer.
Most of these answers are hilarious. Thank you.
Everyone is missing the nuance of the question: prevent school shootings. Not less. Not improved. Prevent.
The answer is no. Unless guns are gone there will be shootings. As long as school shootings get national attention they will be an endpoint for people hellbent on having and endpoint. Mental healthcare will not stop it. Turning schools into a prison won’t stop it. Only not accessing guns.
But. We still can’t take away guns. Freedom is a fabric of our country and it has its downside. We can work to change our cultural norms and hope that guns can go the way cigarettes in the early 2000s. Uncool. But as Juul and medical marijuana show- all it takes is a few sneaky marketing/political campaigns and it can all come back.
I don’t want school shootings. But stopping them is like hoping to stop car accidents. Nope.
You hit upon the key, . . . . . make then anonymous.
If there is a shooting, shooters name is never released and their existence is erased from history.
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They realize their pitiful life will never give them the fame they seek.
A mass shooter is out for a larger body count than the last deranged killer got, thinking it will make them famous. Deny them any mention, simply refer to shooter as a mentally ill person.
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Stands a better chance of working than DEMs gun control.
Probably shouldn’t even cover it all. There should be a website where the reports of this are available. Otherwise it is not covered on a national or regional level. Local news at the town level is probably fine but only if it pertains to your community. Similar thing for suicides. The network effect of these events is too damaging to society. I wouldn’t ban it’s coverage the way most liberals prefer to manage problems. I would hope the journalism community would internally agree to a set of principles. But then they have no principle$ or ethic$ so this idea is impossible
Home school
Hands down best answer for numerous reasons.
Read my comment earlier on this post, why home schooling is not practical for many.
Three words: Incarcerate the criminally insane.
We can all agree those who shoot up school have issues, however they are not all criminal insane, that is a hard diagnose to prove. Besides some are just pure evil, that is not the same as insane, at least not in a clinical sense.
Spend more time with your children, show them they are loved. Listen and get them off their phones and social media. Invite friends over in person like the olden days and keep them busy with healthy activities they enjoy. Go to Church. Do more listening and less dictating. Good morals all begin at home.
@AUNT BARBARA….Slap a leaf blower in their hands and make them do something to enhance their surroundings….you know, “like the olden days”.
Aunt Barbara, That sound very nice, and wholesome, nothing wrong with that. Except we can’t turn back the clock we have to deal with how society is now, not how we wish it would be.
Prevention,
12 Gauge hollow point, show Coroner sweeping what’s left of the mental defective into a dust pan.
CBS has forbidden their reporters from referring to that crazy gal that murdered those children last Monday as Transexual. Is that because she was merely a Transvestite not worthy of the Transexual moniker? Or could there be a political optics reason for CBS to threaten their reporters? Perhaps they knew Joe Biden was planning to give them their very own holiday later in the week? Who knows. The inmates are running the asylum.
Well it seems “gun safe zone” signs don’t work maybe put up “transgender safe zone” signs and give that a go. In fact those signs need to go up everywhere, but the circus will take them.