..and you wonder why people are leaving California–
Sick of it
April 26, 2022 - 3:29 PM 3:29 PM
And that idiot I wondering why he is in a re call election. That’s it keep protecting the criminals. We need all these DAs that support this kind of crap out of office. At this point they will not go after any one that commits a crime unless they have actual recorded footage of the crime and a signed release form from the criminal to use the DNA they left behind against them. Insanity
HappyPappy
April 26, 2022 - 3:40 PM 3:40 PM
Well there it is, lunatic liberals watching out for the bad guys again……..the welcome news you criminals have been waiting for.
Dr Jellyfinger
April 26, 2022 - 3:41 PM 3:41 PM
What if the rape victim (Male or female makes no difference) turns out to be the DNA match for a murderer? Maybe even a mass murderer/serial killer?
A church burning KKK arsonist? Now is it OK?
Sancho Panza
April 26, 2022 - 3:45 PM 3:45 PM
“The U.S. Constitution’s Fifth Amendment contains the Double Jeopardy Clause. It states no person shall “be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb.” Are they applying this to DNA from rape kits as well? No double dipping the DNA! It’s no surprise to see Senator Wiener advocating for serial offenders being given a literal get out of going to jail pass card…
No Double Jeopardy has to do with someone being retried for a crime they’ve already been tried for and convicted/exonerated. Of course, neither one of those idiots in the video would know the difference!
No. Evidence obtained without a warrent is inadmissible.
But do go on about how it’s Weiner Boudon’s fault when the state has a backlog of rape kits amount 14,000. For all we know, victims waiting for the results were assaulted, waited, and then committed the crime
Weiner and Boudin are flawed humans. They can’t be happy unless everyone else is miserable also. I blame bad parenting.
They are however in the right place for people of their ilk: San Francisco, the city of misfit toys.
If there is a bright side to all this, it’s that San Francisco is obviously no longer a target of war. Why would an enemy bother, there is nothing of value there.
Sign fro Above
April 26, 2022 - 3:47 PM 3:47 PM
Does anyone notice that the people pictured supporting this nonsense in the video are the District (I mean Defense) Attorney and Senator Pervert, the one that only attaches himself to sex-related legislation? Of course, you noticed……This is claycord! Anything to protect the criminal and/or pervert!
ON DA
April 26, 2022 - 3:56 PM 3:56 PM
Says bans people that are the victims. So the perps are still on the hook. PERIOD. Learn to read and interpret.
jprcards
April 26, 2022 - 4:01 PM 4:01 PM
This is ridiculous. Whatever can be done to bring criminals to justice should be done within reason of course.
To me checking DNA from past incidents is within reason.
and how would you know to get a search warrant?!? We do not have general warrants like say Great Brittan does for a so called fishing expedition. You would have to have probable cause for a warrant.
Is your picture or fingerprints self-incriminating or is it just who you are? Your DNA is no different. It is just who you are.
I’m sure you are not advocating that the police destroy all mug shots or fingerprints or are you? DNA is simply a more sophisticated set of fingerprints.
Clay
April 26, 2022 - 4:54 PM 4:54 PM
I guess the rapist’s and murderer’s lobby will win out over the victims and potential victims again!
Tired
April 26, 2022 - 5:42 PM 5:42 PM
Of course! Woman and children are considered 3 rd Class Citizens. The Woke them’s have more rights than the natural ones. Disgraceful!!!!!!
Cellophane
April 26, 2022 - 5:56 PM 5:56 PM
If Weiner is for it, I’m against it.
If you commit a crime you need to be punished.
There should be no restrictions on resources for capturing criminals.
Darn, I hate these bleeding hearts (expletive deleted).
Danged ineffectual
April 26, 2022 - 6:18 PM 6:18 PM
This bill protects our expectation of privacy. Being a criminal does not negate the Bill of Rights.
Making sure that one’s medical records (which a rape kit would count as) are not used to against them, it seems like this would have been a priority just a year ago.
I hate to break it to you but being a criminal absolutely negates some of the Bill of Rights as they apply to the individual suspect of a crime or convicted of a crime.
You have a very odd interpretation of what a sexual assault kit is for. When you voluntarily agreed to a SART examination you are agreeing to a evidentiary examination to be used in court for criminal prosecution. Any evidence obtained during that evidentiary examination belongs to the state, not the individual under examination.
DNA is just a more sophisticated picture or fingerprints. Neither of which are in and of themselves self-incriminating. They are just who you are.
Chris
April 26, 2022 - 6:25 PM 6:25 PM
Anytime you see Scott & Chesa together you know evil is close by.
Mtz Guy
April 26, 2022 - 8:25 PM 8:25 PM
This is really disgusting considering the fact that California voters elected these two A-holes. These two are a total waste of government resources. Keep up the good work, Democrats.
Paul
April 26, 2022 - 9:03 PM 9:03 PM
Good for the justice system! If the good guy (aka cops) want to get the bad guys (criminals) then the good guy needs to play by the rules. For example get a search warrant to collect evidences. If they don’t play by the rule, then the bad guys walk.
Since sfpd got caught running the victims’ dna through the crime database, if these victims was convicted, the conviction will be over turned! Good job sfpd! Y’all mess up!
I seriously hope you are being sarcastic. What is the difference from the police running finger prints through the data base or using facial recognition to find them? Why do we want to protect criminals so much? This is why California is becoming a cesspool.
Please explain to everyone what the difference is between a Bill and a Law.
The only one who mess up is you.
There is no law that prevents law enforcement from using DNA to find criminals. Even IF this Bill is passed and signed by the Governor SFPD still would not have messed up since law(s) cannot be retroactive enforced.
My knowledge about legal system is so little. But I know that cops need a probable cause before they can use theirs tools (running fingerprints, dna, face recognition, ect…) to establish connection between a person and an alleged crime(s) otherwise the cops would violate the person’s rights.
Even if the cops connect the person to the crime, the person is still innocent until proven guilty in court. If the cops botched the investigation by not following the rule, then the criminal walk even if the “collected” evidences cannot be use.
@janus
I admit that I know little about law so I can’t define a bill vs law. Maybe you could. So please educate everyone.
You are right about cop can collect dna to solve crimes; What I am trying to say is that before they can run a person’s dna (rape victims in this case), the cops need a reason (aka a probable cause).
When I say sfpd is mess up, because sfpd ran the dna to connect the rape victims to a crime.
Whether a law can be retroactively applied or not, I don’t know because I have little knowledge of law. But I take your words that is not until someone says you are wrong
How stupid would it be for the police to write a warrant to compel themselves to search their own records?!?
The police have NEVER needed probable cause to check their own records. Be that Local, State or Federal data bases to include DMV, Criminal histories, fingerprints, mug shots or DNA.
Unknown fingerprints are routinely searched WITHOUT a warrant through the State of California’s ALPS (Automated Latent Print System) and the FBI’s IAFIS ( Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System) just like unknown DNA is searched WITHOUT a warrant through CAL- DNA and the Federal CODIS (Combined DNA Index System). Suspects are identified every single day and it is all perfectly legal.
Identifying information such as your name, fingerprints, DNA, Blood, or Pictures do not violate the 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination. Schmerber v. California :: 384 US 757 (1966)
SFPD did not violate any law by searching DNA databases because there is NO LAW prohibiting it.
Ex post facto laws, that is retroactive laws are expressly prohibited by clause 3 of Article I, Section 9 of the United States Constitution.
The Legislative Branch makes a proposed law called a Bill. A Bill does not become law until it signed by the Executive Branch or the Legislative Branch overrides a Veto. There ends the civics lesson for today.
If you don’t know, why embarrass yourself and with such conviction that you are right?
Thanks janus! So much information to digest hmmmmm. I will check you on it. If you are right, then I will listen if not then it is one ear out of the other.
I was going to watch the video but then when I read the words “Chesa Boudin SF district attorney” I decided that remaining uninformed about this matter was probably the best way to go.
S
April 27, 2022 - 9:51 AM 9:51 AM
Been aware of this effort for a while now…. Gave it some thought…
My opinion:
Empathy and Sympathy for victims of Sexual Assaults (any type).
This does not allow such victim to then commit crimes.
Police already have the DNA which they obtained by legitimate means.
So, they should be able to use it.
This Bill will probably become law.
Commonsensenor
April 27, 2022 - 11:29 AM 11:29 AM
Vote blue, get poo.
ON DA
April 27, 2022 - 5:40 PM 5:40 PM
Victims are going to continue to be victimized for life. So yeah let’s follow these non-sense “new” laws, while ignoring the numerous legislation that already exists. Each municipality has the right to insure the health and safety of its community. Vote these feeble elitists out of office. They have no business making decisions for others. The chain of command need not be compromised or placated.
Cautiously Informed
April 27, 2022 - 9:06 PM 9:06 PM
California- Friend, supporter, enabler and encourager to criminals and crime.
Why don’t you want criminals to be held accountable for their actions? What is wrong with your mind that this makes sense to you?
So what about the VICTIM of the VICTIM PERP that’s being protected?
This is ridiculous!!!
If you’ve done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about.
Freaking MORONS!!
Is that Wiener standing next to him?
That guy is a PIECE OF SH**!
Yep that is him. The West Coast Weiner
Interesting that both men pictures are from the same tribe.
..and you wonder why people are leaving California–
And that idiot I wondering why he is in a re call election. That’s it keep protecting the criminals. We need all these DAs that support this kind of crap out of office. At this point they will not go after any one that commits a crime unless they have actual recorded footage of the crime and a signed release form from the criminal to use the DNA they left behind against them. Insanity
Well there it is, lunatic liberals watching out for the bad guys again……..the welcome news you criminals have been waiting for.
What if the rape victim (Male or female makes no difference) turns out to be the DNA match for a murderer? Maybe even a mass murderer/serial killer?
A church burning KKK arsonist? Now is it OK?
“The U.S. Constitution’s Fifth Amendment contains the Double Jeopardy Clause. It states no person shall “be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb.” Are they applying this to DNA from rape kits as well? No double dipping the DNA! It’s no surprise to see Senator Wiener advocating for serial offenders being given a literal get out of going to jail pass card…
@ Sancho
No Double Jeopardy has to do with someone being retried for a crime they’ve already been tried for and convicted/exonerated. Of course, neither one of those idiots in the video would know the difference!
No. Evidence obtained without a warrent is inadmissible.
But do go on about how it’s Weiner Boudon’s fault when the state has a backlog of rape kits amount 14,000. For all we know, victims waiting for the results were assaulted, waited, and then committed the crime
Weiner and Boudin are flawed humans. They can’t be happy unless everyone else is miserable also. I blame bad parenting.
They are however in the right place for people of their ilk: San Francisco, the city of misfit toys.
If there is a bright side to all this, it’s that San Francisco is obviously no longer a target of war. Why would an enemy bother, there is nothing of value there.
Does anyone notice that the people pictured supporting this nonsense in the video are the District (I mean Defense) Attorney and Senator Pervert, the one that only attaches himself to sex-related legislation? Of course, you noticed……This is claycord! Anything to protect the criminal and/or pervert!
Says bans people that are the victims. So the perps are still on the hook. PERIOD. Learn to read and interpret.
This is ridiculous. Whatever can be done to bring criminals to justice should be done within reason of course.
To me checking DNA from past incidents is within reason.
Within reason, then get a warrent.
“Past incidents”? The case that prompted this bill involved one were the perp’s DNA was obtained through a rape kit where they were the victim.
Danged ineffectual
and how would you know to get a search warrant?!? We do not have general warrants like say Great Brittan does for a so called fishing expedition. You would have to have probable cause for a warrant.
Is your picture or fingerprints self-incriminating or is it just who you are? Your DNA is no different. It is just who you are.
I’m sure you are not advocating that the police destroy all mug shots or fingerprints or are you? DNA is simply a more sophisticated set of fingerprints.
I guess the rapist’s and murderer’s lobby will win out over the victims and potential victims again!
Of course! Woman and children are considered 3 rd Class Citizens. The Woke them’s have more rights than the natural ones. Disgraceful!!!!!!
If Weiner is for it, I’m against it.
If you commit a crime you need to be punished.
There should be no restrictions on resources for capturing criminals.
Darn, I hate these bleeding hearts (expletive deleted).
This bill protects our expectation of privacy. Being a criminal does not negate the Bill of Rights.
Making sure that one’s medical records (which a rape kit would count as) are not used to against them, it seems like this would have been a priority just a year ago.
I hate to break it to you but being a criminal absolutely negates some of the Bill of Rights as they apply to the individual suspect of a crime or convicted of a crime.
You have a very odd interpretation of what a sexual assault kit is for. When you voluntarily agreed to a SART examination you are agreeing to a evidentiary examination to be used in court for criminal prosecution. Any evidence obtained during that evidentiary examination belongs to the state, not the individual under examination.
DNA is just a more sophisticated picture or fingerprints. Neither of which are in and of themselves self-incriminating. They are just who you are.
Anytime you see Scott & Chesa together you know evil is close by.
This is really disgusting considering the fact that California voters elected these two A-holes. These two are a total waste of government resources. Keep up the good work, Democrats.
Good for the justice system! If the good guy (aka cops) want to get the bad guys (criminals) then the good guy needs to play by the rules. For example get a search warrant to collect evidences. If they don’t play by the rule, then the bad guys walk.
Since sfpd got caught running the victims’ dna through the crime database, if these victims was convicted, the conviction will be over turned! Good job sfpd! Y’all mess up!
I seriously hope you are being sarcastic. What is the difference from the police running finger prints through the data base or using facial recognition to find them? Why do we want to protect criminals so much? This is why California is becoming a cesspool.
Paul
Please explain to everyone what the difference is between a Bill and a Law.
The only one who mess up is you.
There is no law that prevents law enforcement from using DNA to find criminals. Even IF this Bill is passed and signed by the Governor SFPD still would not have messed up since law(s) cannot be retroactive enforced.
@catotx
I am not being sarcastic.
My knowledge about legal system is so little. But I know that cops need a probable cause before they can use theirs tools (running fingerprints, dna, face recognition, ect…) to establish connection between a person and an alleged crime(s) otherwise the cops would violate the person’s rights.
Even if the cops connect the person to the crime, the person is still innocent until proven guilty in court. If the cops botched the investigation by not following the rule, then the criminal walk even if the “collected” evidences cannot be use.
@janus
I admit that I know little about law so I can’t define a bill vs law. Maybe you could. So please educate everyone.
You are right about cop can collect dna to solve crimes; What I am trying to say is that before they can run a person’s dna (rape victims in this case), the cops need a reason (aka a probable cause).
When I say sfpd is mess up, because sfpd ran the dna to connect the rape victims to a crime.
Whether a law can be retroactively applied or not, I don’t know because I have little knowledge of law. But I take your words that is not until someone says you are wrong
You are factually incorrect as a matter of law.
How stupid would it be for the police to write a warrant to compel themselves to search their own records?!?
The police have NEVER needed probable cause to check their own records. Be that Local, State or Federal data bases to include DMV, Criminal histories, fingerprints, mug shots or DNA.
Unknown fingerprints are routinely searched WITHOUT a warrant through the State of California’s ALPS (Automated Latent Print System) and the FBI’s IAFIS ( Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System) just like unknown DNA is searched WITHOUT a warrant through CAL- DNA and the Federal CODIS (Combined DNA Index System). Suspects are identified every single day and it is all perfectly legal.
Identifying information such as your name, fingerprints, DNA, Blood, or Pictures do not violate the 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination. Schmerber v. California :: 384 US 757 (1966)
SFPD did not violate any law by searching DNA databases because there is NO LAW prohibiting it.
Ex post facto laws, that is retroactive laws are expressly prohibited by clause 3 of Article I, Section 9 of the United States Constitution.
The Legislative Branch makes a proposed law called a Bill. A Bill does not become law until it signed by the Executive Branch or the Legislative Branch overrides a Veto. There ends the civics lesson for today.
If you don’t know, why embarrass yourself and with such conviction that you are right?
Thanks janus! So much information to digest hmmmmm. I will check you on it. If you are right, then I will listen if not then it is one ear out of the other.
I wait with bate breath he said sarcastically
I was going to watch the video but then when I read the words “Chesa Boudin SF district attorney” I decided that remaining uninformed about this matter was probably the best way to go.
Been aware of this effort for a while now…. Gave it some thought…
My opinion:
Empathy and Sympathy for victims of Sexual Assaults (any type).
This does not allow such victim to then commit crimes.
Police already have the DNA which they obtained by legitimate means.
So, they should be able to use it.
This Bill will probably become law.
Vote blue, get poo.
Victims are going to continue to be victimized for life. So yeah let’s follow these non-sense “new” laws, while ignoring the numerous legislation that already exists. Each municipality has the right to insure the health and safety of its community. Vote these feeble elitists out of office. They have no business making decisions for others. The chain of command need not be compromised or placated.
California- Friend, supporter, enabler and encourager to criminals and crime.