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QUESTION: Hundreds of Americans and our allies are still stuck in Afghanistan, without any military help. Should we have left before getting all Americans and our allies out of the country if they wanted to leave?
Talk about it….
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Many people have CHOSEN to stay there… and apparently if/when they change their minds we will come get them out.
Tell that to the woman police officer who tried to get to the airport but was beaten by savages and is now in hiding.
That’s a total lie! Biden talking points to coverup is failure
Psaki started adding “choose to stay” verbiage in her briefings weeks ago and continued to repeat it. She was priming the pump. It appears to have stuck with some people.
Why would anyone choose to stay in Afghanistan?
The weather? Women’s rights? Religious freedom? LGBTQ tolerance? Public floggings? The friendly and tolerant Taliban?
You’re off your stick on this one.
Spoken like a true California idiot.
Talk about a gaslighting lie!
We have California students stuck in Afghanistan. Do you think they chose to stay you ignoramus?
There’s also evidence of general M at the direction of the state department denying entry into the airport while we had empty planes on the tarmac. Go look it up for yourself I don’t have time.
Here’s the article about the students if anyone cares to know the truth anymore…
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/02/report-30-california-children-remain-stranded-in-afghanistan/
The sole purpose of our military is to keep Americans safe, so it’s perfectly obvious that our military should have been tasked with getting American citizens out. That’s not debatable. It’s literally what the military is for.
The question of rescuing our allies is more of a moral question, but yes, they should have been taken as well.
Well said. I completely agree with saving our allies. But what can we do with only 2,500 soldiers? The table was set before Biden took office.
Doh
The table was set for Biden on hundreds of things but Biden refused to eat. I really wish I knew were getting your news but wherever it is they are doing you no favors. Biden reversed everything Trump did. Biden reversed everything Trump did in regards to the Taliban but then pulled the troops out anyway. Don’t even try to blame Trump for this fiasco.
No. This President showed he did not have the “Strategic” mindset for whatever reason, required to perform and execute this mission.
And where was trump in his 4 years? Oh ya, Golf courses when he said he would never be on one. Lying to the public about trades. Bribing other leaders. Raising taxes on low income families. Making things worse with Covid. Should I go on? Trump didn’t have a plan and set up Biden to fail. But funny thing is. They still got just about everyone out in time. With the few hundred that waited to stay and then changed their minds. And with the very very few that still want to get out. They will be brought home.
Go back to your Democrat pasture ME. You are way off on that one!
Me
It is heartbreaking to see someone as misinformed as you are.
Both Obama and Trump made campaign promises to exit Afghanistan during their tenure, but apparently listened to their military advisors who convinced them to stay the course. Doesn’t look like Biden listened.He doesn’t really make the decision anyway. It was made for him.
Me- We don’t know how many were left, but there is almost zero chance they will enjoy freedom again.We also left 80 billion plus in
equipment and weapons there, indicating a hurry-up posture for leaving.
Taliban were afraid of Trump, no such fear was demonstrated by them toward Biden. They know he is senile.
@Me
Congratulations! You ended the month of August just like that criminal currently residing in the White House…….spewing nothing but lies and blaming President Trump for his failures, and yours as well. Way to go!!!
Me Please do not breed or vote.
Lies? lol. Oh my poor souls. How the conspiracy theories are so deep in your brain… All you have to do is look it up. Taliban was not afraid of trump lol. He had made deals with them. That is well documented. Weather or not I am a Dem or Rep does not mean anything. All I care about is having a president in office that can do the right thing. Trump made many mistakes and lied. As I stated before. Biden has made some questionable calls as things could have gone better. We will see how it turns out in the next year or 2. I for one don’t believe he will make it all 4 years but again, We will see.
PO’d
Actually you are sadly misinformed. It was already agreed upon that the exit would happen and a date was set. Which was a mistake. No date should have ever been given. The military already said it was time to end the war as well. He did listen. You’re just saying false info. This came from Trump, the military and Biden. I get things were left behind as that was already said. But don’t be surprised if we go back and get the stuff. If we don’t get it. Then that will be on Biden.
Me,
Speaking of lies and conspiracy theories, it quite interesting and revealing how you spout the typical ‘well documented’ gullible liberal CNN, MSBC, Huffington Post …. propaganda.
It was his “watch” finish the job right.
We will see what the future brings but we could lose more civilians in a terror attack then the lives the military would have lost if we had wiped them all out. As far as joeys retreat goes if you would have explained the situation to a third grader they would have done better. Pulling the military out before people and billions of dollars worth of equipment is treasonous.
I just tried to listen to Biden’s two day after speech. I lasted three sentences. The man is a simpleton.
First, all civilian American citizens and every Afghan that helped us should have been evacuated along with their families. Then bring out all the equipment and weaponry, then bomb the bases, and bring out the military last.
I was always taught, “We don’t leave anyone behind.” I guess things have changed.
Do you really want millions of Afghans permanently resettled in America? If every Afghan who “helped us” was included then it would be an amount impossible for America to take. Why did these men not defend their own country? Why did they not pick up their world-class arms and stand up against the radical jihadists they supposedly disagree with? Is it because they never intended to oppose the Taliban, that they only wanted an easy paycheck and a chance to flee to America for easy living and blonde women?
The average Afghan thinks that homosexuals should be put to death, and that women should be veiled. If you don’t see that as incompatible with modern American liberalism, then you have failed as a liberal.
@anon—Where in my comment did I say I wanted Afghans settled in America? The discussion is about getting Americans and our allies out of the country.
Since I’m not a pro on how it should have worked,….from what I gather the whole thing was done totally backwards.
1) Get Americans and Allies, out of the Country.
2) Get all planes, military equipment, etc., out of the Country.
3) Get Our Soldiers out of the Country.
Praying for Our Peoples safety out.
Roz is right!
She said it absolutely right!
I’ll add: Biden is a self-centered, deceitful idiot
Deceitful? Is that the right word? Biden just called the Afghanistan disaster a “success.”
Roz…you are absolutely right. Biden should have evacuated people based on who goes first, what goes second, and who goes last. Biden obviously did not have his head screwed on right.
Spot on Roz
I don’t think it was possible to get every single person out. Our military did an amazing job in getting out the 120,000 people that they did with the airlift out of Kabul. I believe efforts are continuing to get the rest out. There are amazing veterans groups who have been working for years, including throughout the airlift, to help the Afghan translators and other helpers escape. If anyone wants to help an organization working to get our Afghan helpers out and help them settle in the US, here’s one: No One Left Behind.
https://bit.ly/38qHQkC
I would have left Susan Rice, Blinken, Austin, Milley, Kamala Harris and yes Joe Biden just to see how the Taliban entertained them.
But no, this was a total cluster and the Biden Administration has blood on its hands. I’m guessing there will be more American blood flowing, as well as that of our allies.
Biden is pretending his bungling is not the issue and that there is some phantom faction arguing that we should never leave Afghanistan… practically yelling it was time to stop the war and he was not going to let anybody stop him from ending it! That angle is not going to work.
Every American should be evacuated along with every SIV applicant, but I don’t believe every SIV applicant should be relocated to the US. It is my understanding Afghans do not assimilate well and everywhere they go experiences huge increases in rape cases. They especially like to rape little boys, so there’s that. Look up “Bacha bazi” and Boy-Rape Thursday, which is the day they think Allah is not watching so that’s rape day.
I concur. In addition to child molestation concerns, putting myself in their shoes, it seems like it would be a lot easier to acclimate to a new life in a relatively nearby country (where the language, culture, etc. are similar to that of the refugee). Moving them over to the literal other side of the world seems like it would add excessive complications for them moving forward.
Just asking is someone who stayed that long until right before the “storm hit” as much as someone to blame who stays in their home when a hurricane is coming?. I mean the end of august has been a long set deadline.
@Schmee. Biden’s blunders will cause many more hurricanes.
From the United Kingdom’s Daily Mail: Retired three-star general says terrorist organizations will only flourish under Taliban rule now that US and NATO have no on-the-ground bases in the region. No more ‘eyes and ears’ in an area bordered by Iran, Pakistan, China, Russia.
During Trump’s four years, ISIS, the Taliban, and other terrorists feared the United States. Today our enemies see woke generals, creeping Marxism, and a frail, incompetent, but authoritarian, President who flees from the press. https://bit.ly/3ysoYMR
I believe we should have maintained at least one base in that country. A base where we have rapid response should any dangers to the US could be dealt with more rapidly. Instead, we have given an enemy (Taliban, or maybe China) to our country a much more highly advanced base than they could have even envisioned, but significant American military power (they will use against us).
As far as leaving Americans behind, @Roz summed it up about as well as anybody could.
Absolutely not !
Career swamp creatures live in their own “special” insulated world surrounded by sychophants and bears little resemblance to real one we live in.
Truly believed in my lifetime there couldn’t be a worse president than jimmy The Wimp carter. biden hasn’t even been in office a year yet.
In less than a week took taliban, from not even a JV team, to best armed terrorists in the world.
They should’ve left Dementia Joe there. Apparently, he read another speech out loud today. I didn’t catch it …. Can’t stand to look at him – don’t care what he’s “instructed” to say. All I can see are the pictures of those young, servicemen and women who lost their lives because of a senile, useless old fool who still won’t admit he’s wrong. He should resign in disgrace.
A lot of Americans went to Afghanistan for the paycheck working for private contractors, they knew the risks going in.
There was no way of getting out with dignity intact, we lost.
Personally I think leaving the gear, weapons, et al. as an excuse to come back at a later date or the next president.
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Biden said all Americans, allies, and authorized Afghans would be evacuated by the deadline.
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Biden lied. There are still evacuees in Kabul.
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He stranded and abandoned them.
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Biden is incompetent and unfit to serve as US President.
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His vice president, the LaughingWhore, has been derelict in her duties to oversee the US border.
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IMPEACH NOW!!
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biden said white people are worse than actual terrorists
this explains why blacks are killing “militant looking white people”
impeach biden/harris and then nancy
The troops on the ground did their job as usual. That isn’t the issue. The issue is not knowing that by the time Biden announced the pullout the Afghan army was already losing and skipping town. At that time we still had plenty of time to safely move out people and equipment but that wasn’t started until after the military left.
I love the way Biden and his generals try to speak in an authoritarian voice defending their stupidity. I can’t listen to them. They sound like blithering idiots.
They are blithering idiots!!!!!!!
well sorry to tell you this
but a president speaks to the people they represent
sorry but its the truth once they are placed in (almost said voted oops)
they speak to their constituents
just as trump spoke to american citizens
binbiden speaks to dem socialists and left wing fanatics and antifa
in a way they will understand
but yes pulling out without securing americans and the equipment we paid for is a treason act and he should be impeached
please america binbiden is selling us out and giving our equipment we paid for to the enemy …….the very meaning of treason
if you back binbden and this action of leaving millions of dollars of equipment we paid for in country of our enemy
then we might as well send our nukes and ships to china and call it a day
i am sure most dem athletic supporters would agree
so you see where we are
is how they want it
but no american citizens will ever agree with leaving our equipment on the
hands of the enemy
The fact that this question even is asked tells you where the country in going. WE DONT LEAVE AMERICANS BEHIND. It’s not up for debate its not a talking point. We used to understand this. When you take the pledge out of schools and tolerate kneeling for the anthem this is what you get a question of if it’s ok to leave Americans behind… Disgusting.
I don’t actually care if they were our allies, Afghans should not be resettled in America. Resettle them in allied gulf states like Saudi Arabia or the UAE, they share a culture and a religion.
Obviously the pull out was completely bungled and has left the Taliban with an enormously well-equipped army and a considerable airforce better than many in the region. Only Biden could have screwed it up this badly, handing mountains of valuable war materiel to jihadist fanatics.
The US should never have been in Afghanistan in the first place. It had no ties to 9/11. Why did US detain and then release 60 Israeli spies on 9/11? Why were the “dancing israelis” celebrating 9/11 if they are our greatest ally? Why did Trump pardon an Israli spy? Why did Clinton pardon Susan Rosenberg, the now BLM leader, for bombing the US senate? Why did Israel get away with bombing the USS Liberty and machine gunning escape boats? Why is Trump’s and Biden’s cabinet full of Israeli dual citizens? Afghanistan is a farce, debating Afghanistan is a sideshow, no conclusion will be reached in this debate until we face there real issue that our greatest ally is not our ally.
QUESTION: Hundreds of Americans and our allies are still stuck in Afghanistan, without any military help. Should we have left before getting all Americans and our allies out of the country if they wanted to leave?
Absolutely not.
People really can’t blame Biden.
That poor old doddering fool can’t even tie his own shoes.
I’m not sure who’s running our government, but it’s not the poor old sick man they keep putting on TV.
Hillary never paid for Bengazi.
Biden will never pay for Afghanistan.
Nor will the people who deserve to pay for this atrocity ever be prosecuted.
Welcome to the world you voted for.
I agree that Joe Biden is not running our government. No way, he couldn’t find his rear end with both hands at this point in his life.
.And those of us with better judgement who did not vote for Biden stand by as innocent victims suffering this liar and his bungling forced upon us by voters who lack common sense, and their comrades who cheated the vote count….. cry all you want but it is true & you know it…. every Biden supporter is responsible for those Americans Joe Biden deliberately LEFT BEHIND in Afghanistan, the skyrocketing price of gasoline, inflation,invasion from our southern border, every failed policy Joe’s put forth…Biden voters are to blame.
You wanted this.
Just curious these hundreds of Americans still stuck in Afghanistan? Why were they there in the first place? Why did they not leave Afghanistan, it is not that the August 31st deadline was a big surprise. As a matter of fact they knew for probably at least a year that the troops will leave Afghanistan.
I guess if an American for whatever reason decides to stick it out in a country of war and ignores the call to leave in time it must be the job of the US government to make sure they are safe?
Obviously they should not leave Americans, but I was unsettled by the number of Afghans. There was what 120,000 refugees while the number of troops we had there was around 2,000 and never more than 10,000 in the last five years. So the troops each needed 60 Afghans for support or even counting relatives these numbers don’t make sense. And tens of thousands already left over the past decade under various programs. I’m guessing lots of Afghans that really had nothing to do with the US were on those planes. I must be looking at this the wrong way cause it makes no sense.
According to Jen Psaki last week she scolded a reporter when the question was asked, do you think there will be americans stranded. She said it was irresponsible to ask if americans would be stranded in Afghanistan. What does she think now. I think it is irresponsible to let her retain her position as White House press secretary.Anyone that supports this administration out of spite toward Trump, you get what you vote for.
Here is something to chew on for a while. A question regarding Kabul. In 24 hours how did we get from an attack on us to finding out who did it (absolute certain and collaborating that data), finding them, then taking out the one responsible. By the way it took almost ten years to do the same to Obi wan bin Laden. Just sayin.
Here’s the hypothesis floating around our house…CIA instituted ISIS-K as a group enemy of Taliban (like the enemy of our enemy is our friend)..either they went rogue and attacked our military or were instructed to do so, with military members as collateral damage. You are right, Chukstir, this retribution happened immediately and they won’t release their names—CIA knows this ISIS-K intimately.
Why did Biden close Bagram AFB before the mission concluded? We should have evacuated people from there instead of a civilian airport. You know darn well that, unlike Biden, Trump would not have relied on the Taliban for anything . In fact, Trump threatened the Taliban leaders with air strikes on their home villages if anything went awry. Trump would have dictated the terms and conditions for our withdrawal.
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Biden is an incompetent fool and should be removed from office. He is unfit to serve as commander-in-chief.
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We should never ever leave any American behind. Never leave a fallen man behind is more than just some motto. It embodies who and what we are as a nation. This administration has decimated this country. Not only have they (Biden Admin)emboldened our enemies, they have caused doubt amongst our allies. All this administrative has cared about is optics. Reuters obtained a transcript from 2 calls in July. One between Biden and President of Afghanistan the other between Afghanistan President and Biden Admin. Both calls show they knew Afgan military was failing and were more concerned with the optics and putting a spin on things.
https://www.reuters.com/world/exclusive-call-before-afghan-collapse-biden-pressed-ghani-change-perception-2021-08-31/
NO, as usual our troops suffer from the Woke and poor senior leadership in our Armed Forces. They do all that is asked of them and more, but the yes men only care about their promotions and pensions. Hopefully biden’s core military leaders will resign in shame for their negligence and poor planning during the evacuation, but unfortunately no one will ever be held accountable in biden’s brigade.
of course… we should have kept several thousand troops at the airbase and provide safe haven for all Americans and any Afghans that helped us… what we did was gross neglect… impeach Biden? what do you think?
FACT:
Our military…. with help of other nations’ volunteer large aircraft flights….. was able to evacuate over 225,000 Americans and allied Afghans….. which, considering Taliban’s rapid advancement, is astounding!
Now let’s just pray that the Taliban actually will stand by its assurances that more allies can leave. (And/or that Taliban even will be able to control the Taliban-X monsters.)
“I’ll BE BACK!” Yup, we certainly will return with boots on ground. No other way to handle rescuing our people.
I support our military and saddened by the deaths of the young service personnel.. They were put in harms way along with civilians because of bad decisions. It is tragic that innocent people are being killed by terrorists.
Robert Gates on Face the Nation in May 2019. Gates was right about Biden’s bad foreign policy judgment, but wrong about Biden’s integrity. Biden lies. No American should be left behind.
https://tinyurl.com/kesjmvmh
FACT:
1.) Bush could have ended this nearly 20 YEARS ago had he gone after bin Laden in Tora Bora, but instead, he had Rumsfeld and General Tommy Franks draw up a “plan” for IRAQ and concentrating on toppling Saddam Hussein..
2.) Trump had 4 YEARS to get Americans out of Afghanistan and did nothing. Oh wait. He did “surrender” the country to the Taliban in February 2020 in a meeting in Qatar, with no representative of the Afghani Govt present. He also put pressure on the Afghani Govt to release 5000 Taliban prisoners, which they eventually did.
3.) Withdrawing out of Afghanistan was never going to be “pretty”.
More like “CRAP.”
1) The Battle of Tora Bora was in 12/2001. Bush invaded Iraq in 03/2003, 15 months later. Bush did go after bin Laden at Tora Bora but he also dropped the ball when he assumed bin Laden would be captured in Pakistan if he escaped from the Tora Bora cave complex. I’m amazed he trusted Pakistan. Rookie move.
2) And what did Obama do for the 8 years before Trump? Did he create an exit plan for the US? He got us out of the countryside and into the cities in 2014, leaving the countryside to the Afghans, which they could not control. Obama did not get the US out of Afghanistan, but he did put us in a better place defensively. But it was basically an admission that we were done. So, why not create an exit plan like Nixon did in Vietnam and Trump did it Afghanistan?
Nixon and Trump are two examples of Republicans getting us out of wars. Why didn’t Obama get us out? Making too much money off bribes from the military/industrial complex?
3. BS. Increase military strength, get your people out, destroy everything and then leave.
Keep it up with the Biden Admin talking points and dig yourself a bigger hole. lol
No. Don’t leave any Americans behind. A complete disaster, but just a continuation of one bad policy after another this past 8 months to aid to the collapse of this country thru. Inflation, the open border, and now this, as the US has lost face with our allies and our enemies no longer fear us. . The” transformation” of America needed the Afghans, and many thousands will be settled here. Remember who wanted the transformation of America–former Pres Obama! I am beyond pissed they were sent out before Americans. I am pissed that the trained bomb sniffing dogs -about 60- that aided our soldiers were left. A UK soldier got a lot (120!) of dogs and cats out from a shelter the last day, but not the service dogs that aided our soldiers, the ones who saved soldiers lives. .Lies! We have heard main stream media telling lies for more than the past 4 years, so Biden’s comments of the evacuation being a success will be believed by those who continue to believe the lies told to us by the liberal media and this administration.. Our country is in big trouble, and if anyone believes our citizens wanted to stay, you need to get some reality.
The Military should have been the last to leave. Americans (people and animals) and our Allies should have been the first evacuated under military protection. We should have never given up/ vacated Bagram Air Base.
According to Joe the withdraw went according to plan and was a success. Why then did Joes plan include leaving behind the hugely massive amount of military armament for terrorists?
The Biden administration is a reactive one. Their foreign policy is reactive and their dealing with the press is reactive. If their job was to wash a car they would dry it first and wonder what went wrong.
The fact he claims success and takes a victory lap is almost as disturbing as the actual botched event. Those that don’t learn from their failures are destined to repeat them. In this case it’s at the expense of the American population.
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