The Water Cooler – Who Do You Blame For Teams Leaving Oakland? Oakland Or The Teams?

July 21, 2021 12:00 pm · 58 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it.

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Two out of the three professional sports teams in the City of Oakland have left the city (Raiders, Warriors), and the last one is on the verge of leaving (A’s).

Who do you blame? The City of Oakland, or the teams?

Talk about it….

Badge1104 July 21, 2021 at 12:13 PM

Oakland used to be a better town when it was 50% African-American. Is now about 23% and the crazy white liberals have taken it over.
They’re running the sports teams out because they’re trying to hang all of Oakland’s problems on the teams, wanting them to solve – with money – all the failures & destruction that the liberal policies have done to the city.

CoCo Commenter July 21, 2021 at 4:03 PM

Multiple gold glovers, all star pitchers and winning records is not boring. They’ve been one of the top regular season teams in the past 2 decades. Playoffs….different story but for 162 games they are definitely not boring

I agree with Badge, the city is trying to make the A’s fix all their issues. Reality is, without the A’s nothing gets fixed, with the A’s I’m sure nothing will still get fixed but at least we get a community team and awesome entertainment district for families.

The race issue….completely ignorant and irrelevant

A’s are willing to stay under their terms knowing Vegas or any other city will throw so much money and more favorable terms at the team to get them to relocate. I do believe the A’s will stay with their vision/terms but better business decision is to leave. Oakland needs to be the ones to concede knowing 2 teams have already left, and the A’s leaving is not a bluff. All the tax revenue allocations and jobs Oakland is fighting for will 100% vanish.

Oakland will lose 100% of the pie in trying to get a bigger slice.

The Wizard July 21, 2021 at 12:17 PM

Oakland, It’s Libby Schaafs fault, she made the city one big Ghetto.

WalkingDeadwHairPlugs July 22, 2021 at 1:25 PM

I second that. She has to be one of the worst Mayors in California and that is saying a lot.

redrazor July 21, 2021 at 12:19 PM

I’ve been an A’s fan since the early 70’s. Saw all the home games of the
’72, ’73, ’74 World Series, sitting about 10 rows behind Charlie Finley and his wife. Loads of fun! Rollie Fingers and Sal Bando were in my Army Reserve
unit. I can’t blame them for wanting to move to a more supportive city though.
Las Vegas has already gone nuts over their Raiders, and I’m sure they’d do the same for the A’s. Time will tell.(??)

Almost Famous July 21, 2021 at 12:22 PM

A’s fans are paying the price for the city of Oakland getting fleeced (twice!) by the Raiders so it’s kind of hard to blame the city for not wanting to get screwed again by billionaire sports owners. I think Loyal Warrior fans were the real victims of greed considering the fact that they packed the arena even during the lean years.

Randy July 21, 2021 at 1:01 PM

+1 …….

Russ Sayin July 21, 2021 at 1:33 PM

Agreed. 100%. And even though I’m a Chiefs fan, I have always felt bad for Raider fans who did EVERYTHING that was asked of the ( PSL) and still lost their team

Rolaids July 21, 2021 at 9:15 PM

Ditto. Oakland was screwed over hard by the Raiders. Fool me once…

Used to be a joke:
The only thing sadder than an old Oakland Raiders t-shirt?
A NEW Oakland Raiders t-shirt.

Plinko July 22, 2021 at 7:56 AM

Great…another bandwagon chiefs fan.

DD July 21, 2021 at 12:25 PM

Seems like the city makes things tough on the teams. It also appears there are some special interest groups who have their hands in these negotiations for the new stadium that adds another layer of bureaucracy.
Can’t blame the A’s.

Hayden Barsotti July 22, 2021 at 8:00 AM

Why would any team want to play in a sewer????

Killjoy July 21, 2021 at 12:48 PM

The teams already bring in lots of money to the city through taxes on ticket sales and parking. Not to mention the taxes from all of the employees that are now losing their jobs. I blame the city for being greedy and trying to throw in extra fees that they want the ball park to cover.

Concordjete July 21, 2021 at 12:49 PM

I blame both of them. I got the feeling the team will relocate to Concord Now that the Soccer Stadium had been cancelled.

Jeff (the other one) July 21, 2021 at 2:03 PM

I was hoping this would be one of your entertaining jokes, but I did not chuckle at the humor. I hope they do not bring a stadium to Concord. Think we could propose Orinda? What? no chuckle?

Randy July 21, 2021 at 1:02 PM

… both are to blame.. imho .. the teams for being so greedy – the city for letting it get to the condition it’s in

Jeff (the other one) July 21, 2021 at 1:29 PM

To the level I care, I blame neither. It’s (MLB) a business, the team is a business. If the business environment is better in a new location, it makes sense to move there. Likewise, if as a city you need to have certain concessions to make a team staying valuable, then that is what you require. I have recollections of many teams (outside of CA) trying to get sweetheart deals (ultimately soaking the taxpayers of whatever city/state) and the city leaders playing hardball, successfully, and other deals where the city got what it wanted, the team what they wanted, and the taxpayer left holding the bill, whether it be higher taxes (bonds), higher parking fees throughout, etc. I am sure there are circumstances where this kind of thing worked out well for all parties involved, I just don’t know where…

Janus July 21, 2021 at 7:29 PM

Professional sport teams are owned by billionaires with millionaire employees who sell overpriced memorabilia and tickets to their fans AND want subsidies and concessions from municipalities for the privilege of overcharging them locally.

If professional sports is a viable business model, then they don’t need subsidies from the government to operate.

Give economic Darwinism a change.

Jeff (the other one) July 22, 2021 at 7:46 AM

@Janus, agreed…teams are owned by billionaires. They pay millions to some of their “talent.” The teams, and the leagues, sell paraphernalia, and people pay for it. If the cost was too high, there would be no sales. As far as need for subsidies, I agree. I wish municipalities would not cave to these subsidy requests, or at least demonstrate where the revenue generated from the taxes/fees associated with the team covers the cost taken from tax payers, and that the taxpayers are reimbursed (that is the part that never happens).

Original G July 21, 2021 at 1:31 PM

‘Moment Good Samaritan is pistol-whipped trying to stop an elderly Asian man being robbed in broad daylight in Oakland’
daily mail https://tinyurl.com/nurzxssx

‘Furious Oakland police chief blasts city for cutting his department’s budget by $18.5M as crime spirals out of control and homicides spike 90%’
daily mail https://tinyurl.com/zxekcabc

What does it say to sports teams, team owners and league upper management when Oakland’s Director of Violence Prevention, standing outside City Hall giving an interview to a TV crew is interrupted by guys with guns doing an armed robbery.
That’s one heck of message sent to the world loud and clear.

It’s unfortunate citizens of Oakland are heavily burdened with politicians and unelected paper clip warriors, evidently more concerned with parroting and implementing short sighted knee jerk policies, endangering citizens, merely to promote a political party agenda to and gain black votes in future elections.

Safety of fans coming to games should weigh heavily team’s decision making process along with realizing city’s crime rate equates to fewer paying customers watching game in person.

Players, teams owners and those running sports would do well to take notice, on list of top 100 most dangerous cities. Out of 100 America’s cities Oakland is number five in the nation. But hey, give Oakland politicians a few more years, might make it to fourth most dangerous.

The year last republican mayor of Oakland left office in 1977.
Blame, . . . . 100% belongs to liberals running Oakland.

badge1104@gmail.com July 21, 2021 at 3:43 PM

Original G…. You hit it on the head! So correct! And it’s amazing that the crazed liberals keep claiming Oakland is safer than ever! They must be smoking Oaklandish weed.

Aunt Barbara July 21, 2021 at 1:34 PM

Oakland and the high crime rate are to blame…Who wants to visit anymore?
Crime and deadly shootings everyday. Not a good role role model for sports.

Pyrrhus July 21, 2021 at 3:40 PM

When is the last time you’ve been to Oakland? Yes, there’s some areas you don’t want to go to (East Oakland, Fruitvale) but it is being gentrified (Lake Merrit, North Oakland) by all the people that couldn’t afford San Francisco. Lots of new hip restaurants have opened, go to Jack London and it looks nothing like it did in the early 2000’s or 90’s.

Oakland has it’s challenges like any larger suburban city, but many people are moving/visiting. A new ballpark in the vein of what the Giants did would completely transform a neighborhood. However, I don’t blame the city for not wanting to use tax payer money for the $855M that the A’s want for infrastructure improvements. An analysis was done that found that building publicly funded outdoor stadiums was not favorable for the city.

https://econreview.berkeley.edu/the-economics-of-sports-stadiums-does-public-financing-of-sports-stadiums-create-local-economic-growth-or-just-help-billionaires-improve-their-profit-margin/

OverWhelmed July 22, 2021 at 5:45 AM

@Pyrrhus
What rose tinted glasses are you wearing?

Tsa July 21, 2021 at 1:41 PM

Everyone shares in the blame, the cesspool of a city and the primadonna overpaid players and staff. I quit following professional sports starting a few years back and I no longer waste my money on it.

Reasonable July 23, 2021 at 8:10 AM

I agree Tsa. Overpaid players. I quit watching years ago. If you want to have fun at a baseball game at a reasonable cost, go to a minor league game. The Rivercats stadium is cozy and ticket prices, parking and food costs are not that high.

Dorothy July 21, 2021 at 1:47 PM

Both.

Tired July 21, 2021 at 1:57 PM

City of Oakland is at fault

Bdpirate July 21, 2021 at 1:59 PM

I wouldn’t drive to Oakland or Sf to watch any sports team. Both cities suck in all ways possible and wouldn’t visit either.

ChuckStir July 21, 2021 at 6:01 PM

Agreed

Kentucky Derby July 21, 2021 at 2:46 PM

The city of Oakland. The A’s are the only team they’ve held onto. For now anyway.

TPC July 21, 2021 at 2:50 PM

I’ve been an OAKLAND Raiders fan since the ’70s. When Al took them down to L.A. I was pissed, but continued to watch. Then when they came back and home games were blacked out unless sold out, I was pissed that I couldn’t watch the games on television. Not everyone can afford season tickets. The several games I did attend were about $80 a seat. Now that Al junior has taken the Raiders to Vegas I’m done. The Oaktown vibe has been lost. Whatever politics played into it, it’s all about $$$.
Good luck A’s, you’re gonna need it.

DodgerDog July 21, 2021 at 7:29 PM

TPC…You were made when the Raiders came back to OAK, tickets were expensive so you only went to a couple of games. The games weren’t sold out, so you couldn’t watch them on tv.

With the Raiders now in Vegas, almost every game will be televised here in the Bay Area, and you’re still mad? I don’t get it.

Martinezmike July 21, 2021 at 3:46 PM

Trump. You can”t go wrong in California blaming Trump
If the San Andreas starts shaking, it will be Trumps fault

Ricardoh July 21, 2021 at 3:57 PM
Doh July 22, 2021 at 11:17 AM

Politics is Friday

American Citizen July 21, 2021 at 4:05 PM

Libby Schaff Is 100% culpable for this. I went to high school with her. She was the same way then that she is now. She does not care about anything else except herself. Look at what’s happened to Oakland since she took office. This coming from a 22-year Oakland resident.

Reasonable July 23, 2021 at 8:13 AM

Yep, Libby certainly knows how to give the schaafftt.

Gebertx July 21, 2021 at 4:06 PM

Oh, it only gets interesting from here, the Collisium is co-owned, the A’s and City., I wonder who’s on the hook for past Bonds, ? I’m not familiar with what kind of deal Alameda Co made when they sold their 1/2. But I see the City demonizing the A’s, blaming everything wrong in them, and in Court

BOB July 21, 2021 at 4:39 PM

It’s all on Libby. She has lost two teams and is going for three. She has shown she just does not care as she will keep getting elected until timed out and moves on.

Exit 12A July 21, 2021 at 5:59 PM

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Oakland is fraught with mismanagement and low standards… poor leadership and fiscal accountability.
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Ron Dellums Jean Quan, Jerry Brown, Libby Schaaf, Elihu Harris, and Lionel Wilson were all inept leading the community forward and were instead more interested in political points rather than the details.
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ChuckStir July 21, 2021 at 6:00 PM

It really does not matter. People put too much emphasis on sports when our society has much more pressing issues. Sports should be way down low on the list of concerns.

momosfriend July 21, 2021 at 7:23 PM

The owners of the A’s run the stadium like the jackass neighbor who is renting their home with cars parked on their lawn. Complete trash.
It is clear that the A’s owners see a higher profit margin in their current location versus their own investment in a new stadium. Why else would they stay?

MLB is a billon dollar organization, why don’t they pay for new stadiums?

Ever see the movie Major League. Same thing here.

The A’s Owners think that they’re smarter than everyone else and that the dumb tax payers should pay for their stadium.

Can’t make this stuff up!

Whoe Jim July 21, 2021 at 8:57 PM

The owners of the team and the politicians want the taxpayers and the city to pay for their new multi billion dollar stadium complex, If it is approved, $30.00 a beer coming soon to a ballpark near you…..

El D July 21, 2021 at 11:07 PM

Who can forget the financial mess with the Raiders? Can’t blame the City for not wanting to pony up $855 million of taxpayer money for a stadium for the A’s. The only viable site for.a new stadium is the current Coliseum site, but the A’s refuse to consider it because it doesn’t fit the image they have in mind for a stadium development. Fine. Let them go to Vegas. The MLB and the Oakland A’s are for-profit businesses. If they think they can make more money by building a stadium in some other city, they should go. It would be irresponsible of Alameda County and Oakland to put taxpayers on the hook for $855 million just to keep a baseball team here.

Bella July 22, 2021 at 12:39 AM

Billionaires are Billionaires for a reason. Not a good one. Won’t go there. What it is. City Government has much to handle and Oakland always has had their hands full, since I was a young girl. I learned by listening to my father about all of it, the man chosen in the 40’s to play for the Yankee’s Major League.

There is nothing new here between City Government and Billionaires. Just look at the 49ers and Santa Clara City Government. But the City has to protect the people and the City from those that don’t care. Two things here, not the best Mayor running things, more of a non-profit gal before politics trying to fight the big dogs, so there’s that and that’s a lot of the root of it. Crime in Oakland? Common, always been there.

Ricardoh July 22, 2021 at 7:56 AM

I don’t even like driving through Oakland on the freeway. Trying to take over a port area is not too bright. Both sides have a screw loose.

chuckie the troll July 22, 2021 at 12:18 PM

Here’s some irony for you. We left California and bought a house +/- 2000 miles away. We now live in the Oakland Community (unincorporated). Low crime rate, nice houses and high gun ownership.

chuckie the troll July 22, 2021 at 8:35 AM

You can point the finger at the criminals in public office, and those allowed to roam the streets. You can blame the state for making the overall business climate in California awful. You can blame pro teams for having stuck it to cities in the past.

In the end, if fans find it difficult to get to a game AND they do not feel safe, they will simply stop attending. My money is on the A’s moving to a new city, where they can sell new swag to a new fan base.

TV Fan July 22, 2021 at 9:21 AM

Chicago has two baseball teams, plus basketball and football. As I recall, Chicago had about 300 shootings over the Fourth of July weekend.

Relatively speaking Oakland and SF are small potatoes when it comes to crime. Personally, I don’t like going to either.

hanne jeppesen July 22, 2021 at 9:22 AM

How is Fauci to blame for a sports team in Oakland. He is in DC he is a scientist. Quite a strecth.

Sam Malone July 22, 2021 at 10:11 AM

As previously stated by folks who have common sense and are not followers-the liberal left and entitlement crowd are the cause. Give everything away for free, let the homeless take over and burn down our cities-let everyone into the state-illegals-give away everything to anyone who does not want to work-tax everyone to death that are law abiding citizens-Soros crowd and the new Green Team- have infiltrated every corner of California not the mention the nation. Thus we are faced with Teams and their owners who are sick and tired of this crap and they are sadly justified.

We need to get out stuff together and get the politicians out of office who are destroying the well being of others. The reason prices keep going up is because of all the theft that is allowed to occur under Prop.47 (thanks heels up VP Harris for pushing this through by the way before you left California for your next job jumping endeavor).

It totally makes me sick to see what is happening. Take back our state and start with recalling Newsom who by the way is so transparent that is trying to act like a governor now that the recall is breathing down his neck. If his lips are moving he is lying.

Doh July 22, 2021 at 11:18 AM

The teams get full credit. Teams want new stadiums and lots of subsidies while making millions.

TPC July 22, 2021 at 12:27 PM

@DodgerDog
“With the Raiders now in Vegas, almost every game will be televised here in the Bay Area, and you’re still mad? I don’t get it.”
The Raiders will never have the mystique that was born in Oakland and supported by local fans now that they’re in Las Vegas. It will just be another attraction. The Raiders have a history here that can never be replicated. There was nothing like the vibe at the Coliseum during a game. Times change, but the Raider Nation will always be rooted in Oakland.

Red July 22, 2021 at 4:17 PM

Oakland!

Steve July 22, 2021 at 6:01 PM

Who has the money? The Oakland As.
Where do most of the fans come from? Outside the city.
Fans – blame the As if they don’t pony up big time cash to stay here. The city of Oakland should not have to suffer and bow down to huge corporate interests. And the Oakland As are not being loyal to the fans here if they move.
The blame here is all on the As if they don’t stay.

Whoe Jim July 22, 2021 at 9:06 PM

Well isn’t that special, the Raiders have left to Las Vegas, with Libby Shaft, the Warriors have returned to San Francisco, and the A’s are close to exiting. How ironic is that. Newsom was Mayor of SF, Lieutenant Governor of California and of course, soon to be exiting as Governor of California. Now that’s the perfect double Trifecta!!!

anon July 23, 2021 at 12:27 AM

All this professional sports crap just robs the taxypayer of hard earned money while providing nothing in return. The players are all unpatriotic blubbering babies, anyway. Not to mention the undeniable destructive effect sports such as football have on the bodies and brains of the players. Football, boxing, MMA, even professional wrestling all destroy the brains of those who play them – and in most cases, taxpayer money goes to support it.

“Research involving brains of former NFL players find 99% suffered from disease with symptoms that include memory loss and mood disorders”

Good riddance.

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