State’s Grid Operator Asks Residents To Conserve Power Again Tonight As Heat Wave Increases Energy Demand In CA

June 18, 2021 16:13 pm · 34 comments

The state’s grid operator has called for afternoon and evening energy conservation throughout California as one way to help the supply of power stay ahead of demand.

The California Independent System Operator (CAISO) has issued the Flex Alert for today from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. The grid operator forecasts an increase in electricity demand, primarily from air conditioning use, due to the heat wave.

Makalero June 18, 2021 at 4:40 PM

I’m in power outage bock 50. Yea baby, crank up the AC!!

Chris June 18, 2021 at 4:53 PM

Don’t worry good citizens as those wind turbines and solar panels will keep the grid intact.

Exit 12A June 18, 2021 at 5:16 PM

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Outage Block 50!!!
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Hahahaha…

Original G June 18, 2021 at 5:19 PM

In recent years DEMs running this state have repeatedly had demonstrated to them a need for peaker power generation plants. Like ones we used to have. before state legislature and CPUC decided to be green and eliminate them.

YET, when a crisis comes up, those in power fall all over themselves and declare a state of emergency allowing use of portable power generation. Eagerly waiving usual red tape and multiple levels of paperclip warrior bureaucracy to allow their use even if generation equipment exceeds CA pollution regulations.
Where’s the green in that ?

Oct. 3, 2017
‘California regulators edge away from gas peaker plants’

“The California Public Utilities Commission last week rejected a proposed refurbishment to the Ellwood gas-fired peaker plant in the Moorpark region of southern California, finding that “no reliability need justifies approval” of the plant at this time.”

“Last month, California lawmakers passed SB 338, which would mandate that utilities develop carbon-free alternatives to gas generation for meeting peak demand in their integrated resource plans. The bill awaits an expected signature from Gov. Jerry Brown (D).”
utility dive https://tinyurl.com/hfj239j4

Fast forward to last few back to back years of emergencies because of a knee jerk decisions back in 2017 that CA has to be the most green.

October 27, 2019
‘‘I Own This’: Gov. Newsom On California’s Wildfire Emergency, PG&E Power Shutoffs And More ‘
newsom declares state of emergency. Declaration allowed use of backup generators without the usual air resource paperwork.
cap radio https://tinyurl.com/b9ya56m5

August 17, 2020
‘California’s Shift From Natural Gas to Solar Is Playing a Role in Rolling Blackouts’

“… the blackouts were also a side effect of the state’s increasing shift to solar power and away from natural-gas-fired generators, according to state grid operator CAISO and Wood Mackenzie analysts. This shift pushed back the moment of “net peak” demand on the state’s grid — a measure of total demand minus renewable energy’s contribution — into later in the evening, leaving CAISO with less dispatchable generation to fill in shortfalls between supply and demand.”
green tech media https://tinyurl.com/2urf3zsf

‘Hydropower plant at California’s drought-stricken Lake Oroville could shut down for first time since 1967 as heat wave torches the Southwest and Gov Gavin Newsom declares state of emergency’

18 June 2021
newsom declares a state of emergency, allowing power generators to ramp up production even if it means exceeding air-pollution standards.

‘Hydropower plant at California’s drought-stricken Lake Oroville could shut down for first time since 1967 as heat wave torches the Southwest and Gov Gavin Newsom declares state of emergency’
daily mail https://tinyurl.com/345punfk

Apparently state legislature, pollution gurus, CPUC or governor lack the ability to make the simple admission.

We apologize to the citizens of CA, we screwed up and we will again allow peaker generation facilities to be built and operated.

Yeah I know, . . . I’m not expecting Hell to freeze over either.

Cellophane June 18, 2021 at 5:37 PM

Well, at least we’re not restricted to electricity two hours a day,

yet…

Dr. Jellyfinger June 18, 2021 at 7:16 PM

We are being controlled by idiots!

remember June 19, 2021 at 7:06 AM

that’s an insult to idiots, the left and dems are intentionally ignorant. other doing drugs, why else do they always have a stupid look on their faces.

Yves Harlowe June 18, 2021 at 5:41 PM

Maybe some year California will figure it our and restart the peaker plants, and maybe build a nuke plant or two. Also, the state should consider building additional water storage to capture water during dry years.

Nah. Silly me. That won’t happen.

The demand for water and power will go down as more people flee the state.

RANDOM TASK June 18, 2021 at 6:01 PM

how can arizona and texas and florida all have no problems

komifornia always over the last days of the brown governorship demise
always has power problems
but no problem raising rates and providing limited capacity
or management or over sight

so the state the gov the janitor pg & e now the guy who operates the grid

really who next pelosi or whoever the mayor of china town is

same thing with the fauci virus

every entity known and unknown all came out touting their science <>>
claiming virus this and that and wear mask or dont or only on sundays or whenever you dont feel safe or not or if eating no wait if not eating or the cdc says yes the gov says no ccchealth says they go by who or cdc then cdc says they say this and who says that ….

yes its that bad right now

utterly demeaning how this states representatives believe the people of this state are a bunch of uneducated lemmings doing what ever they are told and having no common sense or drive to fact check or raise questions

The yellow ranger June 18, 2021 at 7:26 PM

“Texas has no problems”

Umm..
https://www.ksat.com/news/local /2021/06/14/ ercot-issues-conservation-alert-on-monday-asking-texans-to-reduce-electric-use-immediately/

The Fearless Spectator June 18, 2021 at 6:44 PM

I always carry a rolled up solar panel for just such occasions.

No maniacal laughter however.

Antler June 18, 2021 at 9:32 PM

For those of us who are retired and home most of every day, it’s hardly any trouble to use our water and energy intensive appliances early n the day. That means more power available for career folks and parents of little children to take care of cleaning and cooking chores when they get home in the late afternoons.

Also, our home is insulated extremely well, and there are large trees shading the roof. All that is an enormous help in keeping utility bills low. Plus, if we cool the house well at night and then leave curtains drawn, less heat can come by osmosis through the double panes. Thanks to that, our A/C units (set at 74° for health reasons) do not even come on until almost 2p….. not even when the temperature goes as high as it did yesterday and today.

Today, I added crushed Ice to the water in the birdbaths a few times. Also, I let the hummingbirds play in cool hose spray (well water); they are not one bit afraid of me even though I’m the one holding the hose pointed upward….. delightful!

Antler June 19, 2021 at 11:12 AM

Boomer???
Sam, I make no secret of being over 80 years old with a heart which is valiant but cannot take heat; read “medical reasons” in my original comment above
My husband and I have lived in (and improved) this same house (originally $23,000.00……. yes, 23 thousand!) for 56 years. And yes, at that time with our three little children, we could hardly pay the mortgage!

Because it takes electricity to power a well’s pump pulling the water up from almost 300 feet, no one’s well water is free! Our well water is for irrigation, pressure washing as necessary, and bird bath purposes. The house itself uses water district-piped water ONLY).

My husband and I both worked very full, demanding careers….. saved and invested conservatively when possible … and eventually were able to start paying down the premium on our house mortgage.

I gave the personal information above in hopes you might pick up some helpful reality tips. Sam, your continuous whining and insulting other people is never going to help you…. unless, that is, your lifetime ambition is to be a little troll on a community website.

Gittyup June 19, 2021 at 4:25 PM

Baby Boomers were born 1946 to 1964. The generation that preceded Baby Boomers are considered The Silent Generation.

Antler June 19, 2021 at 7:25 PM

Mayor must have removed Sam’s comment (to which Gittyup and i have replied?????

Thank you for filling in more info on the nicknames given to the various generations, Gittyup. Yes, I was born within the “Silent Generation” timeframe (though another name…. see below… was the “Lucky Few”, and I remember people just referring to us as “War Babies”

Here is the longest list of generation ID’s I could find:
1871-1889 New Worlders
1890-1908 Hard Timers
1909-1928 Good Warriors
1929-1945 Lucky Few
Traditionalists
Silent Generation
1946-1964 Baby Boomers
1965-1982 Generation X
1983-2001 New Boomers

I ran out of research steam before getting to the 2 most recent generations. Anybody???

Sam June 19, 2021 at 8:13 PM

So the only point I’m trying to make is that you have had a lifetime to accrue the needed assets to live the way you do. In 2021 it is almost impossible for young adults to set themselves up the way previous generations were able to. Now they want to cut the electric. You being set up and all literally only helps yourself. (which is great for you) but I would appreciate it if you didn’t act like any of this is normal or should be normal. This is a failure of the state and the monopolies who control them. Sorry, respect.

To Do List June 19, 2021 at 10:17 PM

Antler: Wikipedia’s article “Generation” provides names and dates for these generations and you are missing Millennials 1981 – 1996 and some others. However, what this article does not go into, or I missed it, is the debate over baby-boomers. The date 1955 is very important with baby boomers born before then more influenced by JFK and Vietnam while those after grew up with the cynicism of living through Watergate and some bad economic times.

Antler June 20, 2021 at 2:17 AM

Thank you, To Do List, but the dates you give are not omitted from the list I gave. (I think different sources start the different “generations” on slightly offset dates is all, and some give optional names to the generations.)
One of my references was http://www.donezra.com.
I have become somewhat leery of using Wikipedia as a reference (because literally anyone can post anything on there), but it often is an entertaining “starting point”, that’s for sure.

Antler June 20, 2021 at 3:02 PM

Sam, I’m thankful to have lived through many types of economic times. Adapting to different careers and working hard paid off for our family in a great many ways. Our first home was in Clayton Valley Highlands… brand new 1,400 sq ft for $16,000 …. so thankful we qualified for a GI loan. But still we had to feed our family of 5 (3 babies/toddlers) on $10 per week in order to make the mortgage payments! I asked my mother please to send me copies of all her WW2 recipes, and that is exactly how we got by. To this day, all of us love such things as Spam, chipped beef on toast, tuna casserole, and breakfast menu for supper. No soft drinks…. no alcohol (except for Officer’s Club events at NAS Alameda) ….. no ice cream (except for a birthday),…. just little things like that!
Ditching the “poor me” attitude re WHATEVER ones circumstances is the best path to take…. no matter how steep.

If your water and power concerns prompt you to advocate for MANY more desalination plants and also for tidal generators constructed deep under the inlets to our Bays up and down CA’s coastline ….. then we definitely are on the same page.
Also, it is encouraging that increasing numbers of recyclable battery cells for storing wind, solar, and tidal energy are being installed.

Sam June 20, 2021 at 9:33 PM

I am 100% for desalination and any and all (affordable) electricity options. I am also a fan of spam an living within my means. The state of California has not held up their end of the bargain and I refuse to accept the sub par living conditions created by their mismanagement. Thank you for your service. You do sound like someone who I would highly respect. I was under the impression the desalination was off an running for CA 30 years ago. If I remember correctly, it was “environmentalists” who got in the way. Now we run short on water and power. Unacceptable.

theunforgiven June 19, 2021 at 4:44 AM

Im setting my AC as low as it goes and leaving the front door open just in spite of their nonsense tyranny !!!!

Dr. Jellyfinger June 20, 2021 at 11:54 AM

Thanks unforgiven…. I feel cooler already.

The Fearless Spectator June 21, 2021 at 4:57 PM

A handful of rolling blackouts right before the recall vote would certainly get people’s attention. But then most Newsom supporters are already in the dark…….

Antler June 20, 2021 at 2:33 AM

Oops, To Do List. I forgot to comment that the Vietnam War was from November 1955 through April 1975. So your comments just don’t line up (or at least I do not understand how you reached your conclusions).

Bottom line is we all want to stay cool! Quitting time for me on Claycord if I plan to be outside by 7a to start ripping out some Algerian ivy which is in attack mode. It’s nice work with all the birds around, and it makes me feel good to look up at those big trees and remember when I first bought them in 2-gallon tubs and amended the heavy adobe soil so as to transplant them.

To Do List June 20, 2021 at 10:18 AM

Antler: So the 1955 date is used by some to divide up the baby-boomer generation into two subgroups. The 1955 date is a reference to what was influencing them when they were coming of age. For example, the second half after 1955 would have been too young to have been aware of or influenced by JFK. Same for the Vietnam war where maybe their older brothers and sisters were impacted and they perhaps saw it on the news, but there is a big difference between talking about it and actually being drafted and standing in Vietnam like the first half of the baby-boomer generation went through. So it is the influences at teenage and such years as they grew up which is the focus with the theory that what a generation goes through in their formative years will have a huge influence on them.

Dr. Jellyfinger June 20, 2021 at 11:49 AM

Sub-Boomers?

It sounds like a naval weapon.

Antler June 20, 2021 at 11:59 AM

To Do List,
Thank you for the excellent explanation!
And yes, I can attest to the major influence it was on me to be a child of parents who themselves had been through the Great Depression…. and then my own memories of what it was like during the East Coast blackouts and food/materials rationing during WW2.

A happy memory is the way it was safe for us children to be able to play safely anywhere in our Raleigh, NC, neighborhood. The rule was “Be home before dark…. or when your mom blows your specific Army-whistle signal that supper is ready RIGHT NOW!” (My signal was short-short-long, and those military whistles were so powerful that we could hear them from a block away!)

Sam June 20, 2021 at 12:42 PM

None of this negates the fact that you lived in the safest, most prosperous time for Americans to live. The idea the state refuses to build power plants to keep up with the increasing demand due to the population growth is just criminal. The only reason I brought up the boomer generation is because you guys got what you need and sit here normalizing what is (to me) in effect the lowering of quality of life and opportunity for us.

Antler June 20, 2021 at 2:39 AM

….. also JFK wasn’t even elected until November 1960.
Anyway, thanks.

remember June 20, 2021 at 6:40 AM

this is all because #RecallGavinNewsom and the demorats won’t build new dependable power plants, only green-BS ones that don’t work at night or when the wind isn’t blowing or now when the lake has been drained because they were too stupid to realize we live a GD dessert and trying to use water for drinking and hyro power was too much.

#DefundTheLeft
#BuildReliablePowerPlants
#ClimateChangeIsALie

Justifiable languor June 20, 2021 at 8:35 AM

Yes. We have more electric autos on the road than ever before. Rather than use cheap and clean gasoline that is already available, we have electric driven heavy and toxic batteries to propel our saintly greeny’s to the grocery store for vegetables grown under lights and clothing made from plastics – a petroleum product.

It is either grotesque or stupid what the democrats have done to California. I used to give them the benefit of the doubt. Not anymore.

remember June 20, 2021 at 7:11 AM

tell our overlords to get their heads out of their green BS butts, i just did 🙂

https://tinyurl.com/3z7mz6jf

build more power plants that work at night, don’t depend on wind or water

#GDGreenTerrorists

Fred June 20, 2021 at 1:07 PM

And nobody is thinking about the long term consequences of electric vehicles and the impacts of solar and wind generation.

Unintended consequences? It’s all about political expediency. Until they get some technical expertise and input without a political ax to grind, I call bull$hit.

Everyone says “well, they will come up with ways to recycle lithium” or they’re “planning on putting more green generation in place”…. But it’s all political talk that’s not accomplishing one damn thing – except raising taxes to pay for more failed social programs.

Or the bullet train to nowhere.

You want proof? Look at the failed programs so far where government and technology are involved.

nytemuvr June 20, 2021 at 2:49 PM

Everyone get up and dance!…..https://youtu.be/SvqE0EQlaEw

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