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Today’s question:
QUESTION: Will you continue to wear a mask after the state’s outdoor mask mandate is lifted on June 15?
Talk about it….
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No. I see no reason to. I’m fully vaccinated, and looking forward to normalcy.
I have never worn my mask outdoors, I didn’t even know the state has an outdoor mandate. I despise the darn thing, and only wear it when I enter a business that requires one to be worn. So the answer is a big fat NO.
When businesses stop requiring them, I will be among the first to throw it in the trash.
I was born free, and I will live free. If anybody has a problem with me not wearing a mask, they are more than welcome to social distance themselves from me.
You say “they are more than welcome to social distance themselves from me.” I would say the same but how can they socially distance themselves if they are kissing my a__!
Wearing a mask will be a thing of the past only when more people are vaccinated. If a person is fully vaccinated that person can remove his/her mask indoors. That’s the part many people seem to forget. Those that are not vaccinated are required to wear a mask to ensure they do not spread COVID. So…
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Sigh. If you’re vaccinated you can stop worrying about other people’s trustworthiness now. You are protected, and even if they are infectious you are safe.
Unless you just like judging people – many people do practice that as their full-time hobby.
Somebody said, correctly, that a lot of people will miss the mask mandate because they won’t be able to tell which people to despise and judge. They would rather know who they deplorables are than accept that they themselves are now safe.
Don’t do needles…so yes!
Have only worn a mask to enter a store the entire time and never wore one outside from the beginning looking forward to not wearing one at all it has been a complete power grab from the get go…
“Hear, hear, Commonsensenor!”
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No, but I haven’t been wearing them outside anyway. Where I walk there was plenty of room to do the social distancing cha-cha anyway. It was all a psychological coercion experiment anyway and largely has backfired as well it should.
Certain places that require me to wear a mask yes. I will continue to be a believer of the fact that masks do keep the virus away. So yes I will wear it in crowded places and around morons who refuse to be vaccinated like half of my family in Colorado. They would rather believe in conspiracy theories. I am fed up with that notion. So I will wear my mask if I am to stay at their house. It makes me sick that they are so ignorant, and the irony is that they are part of the medical community. My 97 year old father lives with them and they have not made sure he is vaccinated. UGH Father abuse.
Spoiler alert: if they *are* a danger to you (which they probably aren’t), wearing a mask while staying in their house is not going to keep you safe… unless you’re talking about an N95 properly fitted at all times. If you’re vaccinated, their choices no longer hold any significant danger for you. (Unless you are a special case in terms of immune system, in which case why would you stay at their house at all?)
If I was your family, I wouldn’t allow you to wear a mask in my home.
I like how the CDC is no longer science based since they don’t agree with your feelings.
Time to throw the Face Thong away.
Probably not. I’m fully vaccinated, but may still mask up on BART or public transit, on the rare occasions I use it, cuz who knows what kind of gunk is floating around?
I follow the science: when cdc said mask up, I did. Now they say vaccinated can unmask, so now we should. Any delay reduces credibility.
You’re not following the science, you’re following the government functionaries that claim to speak for science. Everything government does is shot through and through with politics. If you are taking your cues from them, no matter what party is in power, you are making a mistake.
The science has shown for months that masks are not necessary once fully vaccinated. Once you’re vaccinated, you’re statistically immune. You are almost as certainly unable to pass on the virus to others. There is no reason based on science or statistics that you need a mask once fully vaccinated. If you disagree, tell me what changed in the scientific literature between this announcement and what the government mouthpieces were saying just days ago about masks remaining necessary? Nothing, that’s what. What did change is the political picture, and a bad news cycle for the administration. Turns out even uncle sugar Biden is going to need people to get back to work and kids back in school if he wants to keep his party in power. Look for him to start modifying federal unemployment payouts next, as they try to tackle the monster of inflation and induced unemployment they have created.
Everything is politics, all the time. “The Science” is just another tool in the political toolbox. People need to think for themselves.
Trolls
Hilarious…”following the science” and then putting faith in the CDC are mutually exclusive concepts. CDC has constantly flip-flopped, contradicted itself, and been flat-out wrong for the past ~18 months.
It is sad, pathetic, and scary how many ostensibly “educated” and “intelligent” have subjugated common freakin sense to their fear-porn religion.
I don’t plan to unless I’m not feeling well (which I plan to do going forward) or if I find myself in a crowded area. I personally hope people continue to wear masks when they are ill to keep it from spreading. The nice thing about this mask mandate is it has limited the grossness of people. Also, really like not having to deal with touchy strangers hat think its okay to touch or put their face right up to my kid. Also, love the social distancing with strangers, nobody is breathing down my neck in lines at the store.
Nope, although the one I wore in order to buy groceries was full of holes, constantly falling off and being constantly Touched…..driving all of the ‘Karens’ crazy.
It would he tempting to wear one around all of the vaccinated zombies as they shed particles.
Who would have ever thought that not wearing a mask is the “Tough” thing to do
Half the people I’ve seen have not worn the mask properly. They don’t cover their noses… the easiest loophole out of compliance. People will cheat. They will go maskless even though they are not fully vaccinated, hoping to blend in with the majority. What will happen now? Will retail stores have to check everyone’s vax card at the door? When local government or a church has a meeting and someone has to check 100 cards at the door, they will abandon the maskless idea and require everyone to wear a mask anyway or not check at all. I expect a spike in infections, thanks to the tough guys who claim they want their freedom, but who are really fragile little snowflakes themselves who don’t want a littlecloth covering their faces and who don’t want to follow the law like everybody else. Some say who wears a mask and who doesn’t will be an “honor system.” There is no honor among whining conspiracy nuts. They will find any excuse and opportunity not to go along.
Wah fear fear fear that is all your selling. It’s been over a year now and you are scared of what exactly? Please spare the bloated stats put out but you do you…
So now all those people who weren’t really masking before … won’t be masking. That seems like not much of a change to me.
Look, masks are not the be-all, end-all. California had a big spike even with stringent mask rules, and then cases came way down. Other states did too, and cases came way down – without stringent mask rules. I believe they make a difference, but it’s not a major difference. And now, when anyone who wants to can get vaccinated, what’s the justification for any mandatory restrictions? You are not in danger from unvaccinated people if you are vaccinated. You can stop worrying about them.
Once everybody gets their vaccination info tattooed onto their foreheads, we won’t have to worry about those pesky imposters.
You are scared and have always been scared, and weak.
I will definitely be wearing my mask for a while longer, except when I’m outside by myself, in my car, or with my pod. I’m not convinced that there are enough people who are vaccinated to risk my own health, or other’s. As for you “psychological coercion experiment” theorists, I beg you to visit a hospital ward that is solely covid patients, or meet with the families of the gajillion persons who have perished as a result of the covid virus, whether or not they had underlying medical conditions. This. Is. A. Worldwide. Pandemic! Get over yourselves!
It actually sounds more like you need to get over yourself and your bloated self opinion. Who’s to say that your opinion is better than anybody else’s? Glad your poison is not in my life
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But it’s no longer an emergency in CCC, is it? And if you’re vaccinated, you have excellent protection anyway.
Tell your concerns to the EIGHT vaccinated Yankees players that got Covid.
This. Is. A. Fact. Not. An. Emotion.
“I’m not convinced that there are enough people who are vaccinated to risk my own health, or other’s.”
Have you bothered to look at the data and quantify that risk? If so, then do what makes you comfortable.
Of those eight Yankees players, seven had no symptoms, and were almost surely non-infectious. It’s been a mistake all along to treat people as infectious just because there are traceable amounts of viral RNA in their body – traceable by a method that can detect tiny, tiny fragments that don’t represent any infectiousness risk.
O.K., so the state’s OUTDOOR mask mandate is lifting on June 15, and that will be nice,…see other folks faces again, and them see me smile at them,… 🙂
The only time I’ve worn a mask outside this whole time is at Farmer’s Market, Outdoor Garden Centers, or if I’m spray painting outside. Only wear the masks inside at stores/shops,…etc.
The CDC (now) says that we don’t need to wear a mask if we have been vaccinated. They are finally following the science! So I went into Kroger without one for the first time today. Some people were wearing masks, but much fewer. I would like to wipe my backside with the mask but we have septic and I don’t want to mess it up.
Wearing a mask now is virtue-signaling without the virtue.
So you went into a store without a mask while its still mandated? You do realize California is still mandating masks, and then even after that its up to the individual business?
CDC/FEDs -> State -> County (??) -> Store
Nice job trying to sound tough for random strangers on the internet…
You do realize what happens when you assume something, don’t you? Did I say I was in California? Even Trader Joe’s has a sign saying that you don’t need to wear a mask if you are vaccinated in my current location. May I suggest that you reinstall your trigger-guard because you go off too easily.
Eras must be an absolute noob if it thought Chuckie was in CA LOL!
Yes. I don’t trust that everyone about me is vaccinated.
But do you trust that your vaccine will protect you if infected? Because if so, what does it matter if you came into contact with someone who was unvaccinated?
@Lari
Have you ever looked into viral mutation? All it takes is one idiot who gets infected, mutates the virus and then BOOM! vaccine no longer works and we’re back in the last year. The more people vaccinated the smaller the chance, but if the unvaccinated start not wearing masks and spreading it to each other then it may become all our problem yet again…
@ERas – these vaccines do not stop transmission or infection, so vaccinated or not, if your mutation theory holds, the risk is the same. Finally, I respect your opinion, but have you ever looked into how numbers and probabilities work?
@Lari
Vaccines are not supposed to prevent transmission or infection. They’re not a cure. They’re basically training dummies for the immune system to recognize and defeat the illness before it has a chance to fully take hold and spread from that person to someone else. If you doubt the effectiveness of vaccines, I wonder what your excuse for the elimination of polio is. Viruses don’t up and vanish on their own.
And as far as mutations go, this is par for the course. There are vaccines being developed for the mutations, and we can largely track new cases of the mutated strains and limit its spread.
@Concernicus,
So, are you saying the Polio vaccine wasn’t meant to keep anybody from getting or transmitting Polio? Kinda makes you wonder how Polio got eradicated.
“I wonder what your excuse for the elimination of polio is.”
And that statement betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the existence of viruses.
There is not “a polio vaccine” there are a number of different polio vaccines, the most prominent ones the IPV (injectable polio vaccine) aka the Salk vaccine and the OPV (oral polio vaccine) aka the Sabin vaccine. The Salk vaccine gives great protection from polio disease is safe but does not protect from spreading infection. The Sabin vaccine gives protection for both disease and spreading infection but is known to cause in very rare cases a polio like disease in recipients.
The OPV Sabin vaccine was responsible to help eradicate the virus (there are still some areas with wildtype polio outbreaks). But in the US where there has not been any wildtype polio the currently used vaccine is IPV Salk due to safety reasons.
@Lari, @Chicken Little, @Rollo Tomasi
You REALLY need to read up on how vaccines work…
Concernicus is correct, the vaccine just teaches your own immune system to recognize and eliminate the virus. That being said, viral mutation is a big concern, all it would take is a mutation that the immune system no longer recognizes, but hopefully they catch it before too much spread happens.
@ERas….I don’t believe anyone about anything until Natalie chimes in with all of her definitive knowledge.
This is a hilarious question. Outdoor masking has never made sense, and I’ve only done it when required by my employer or requested by my church.
In our county nearly 70 percent of people over 12 (!) have had a dose of the vaccine. There shouldn’t be any *indoor* mask mandate at all now in CCC except maybe for medical facilities and so on. If anybody wants to protect him- or herself, they can do so by being vaccinated and, if they wish, wearing a mask that actually protects the wearer.
I’ll probably still wear one on Airplanes and when Robbing Banks
Yeah, airplanes are nasty… Bart too.
I hate the masks!
Tennessee has never had a statewide mask mandate, although local jurisdictions were allowed to enforce mandates. Last month, Governor Lee ended the Public Health Order granting local mandates. Nevertheless, I continued wearing a mask indoors while shopping, until the CDC announced masks were no longer necessary. I will continue carrying a mask, just in case a business requires it, but other than that, I am done with the mask.
Ideally, masks will be recommended but not required. Then everyone can make their health decision. I think a lot of people will continue to mask, and that’s fine. Free choice. I have about 200 disposable masks to burn through myself.
@94521
That’s the thing, though. When it comes to transmissible illness, it’s not just “one person making their own health decision”. If it can spread, and a person is knowingly taking that risk, they are not going to be confining the illness to their own body. There’s just no way that’s going to happen, unless their body fights the illness off before it has a chance to spread.
Which is also highly unlikely if the person is not vaccinated.
It’s like saying “smoking is my own health decision”, but smoking in a closed space means forcing the other people around you to smoke, which is not so much everyone making their own decision as it is you deciding for others at their expense. The smoke is not going to stay in only your lungs, and if it gets into a person with a lung conditions’ lungs, they could suffer serious consequences. All because you decided your smoking was more important than their life.
@Concernicus:
Your analogy to smoking is completely off the mark. You wrote it yourself. “If it can spread, and a person is knowingly taking that risk…”
Would there ever be a circumstance where a smoker was UNKNOWINGLY smoking and putting others at risk?
But Concernicus, at this point anybody who wants to be protected from the choices of others can be – you can get vaccinated. If you aren’t vaccinated, you’ve made the choice.
I understand being afraid of Covid. I understand wanting people to act so as to minimize risk to others. But we have effective vaccines now! The game has changed! Other people can no longer put you at significant danger of death or serious illness when it comes to Covid. You can let them make their choices and worry about your own.
I’ve been following the best scientific information we have. I’ll continue to do so. I was carrying a mask outdoors for a couple of weeks based on park sign requests. I stopped carrying it in the past couple of days based on the CDC recommendation before the latest one.
For now, I will wear a mask in crowded areas such as our local farmer’s market. And I’ll wear one indoors in places like crowded supermarkets because we have too many people who ignore science and promote superstition and lies about how deadly the virus truly is. And because there are too many fully vaccinated people who get sick even if just mildly sick from it.
One big reason is that I believe in treating my neighbor as I want to be treated.
This, exactly.
Jerry, please explain to us exactly how deadly the virus is. Please use only official deaths and infection rates provided by official sources, and please break down the fatality rates according to age and general health categories.
Jerry, what is your idea of “too many fully vaccinated people who get sick” from the virus? Care to cite any numbers on that? Breakthrough infections are rare and almost invariably mild. Keep wearing a mask if you want, but your reasoning here doesn’t make any sense. No matter what conspiracy theory that person in the supermarket believes in, they aren’t a danger to you if you’re vaccinated.
The state lifted the outdoor mask mandate for vaccinated people under most circumstances a week and a half ago. If you are fully vaccinated, you are not required to wear a mask outside unless you are at a crowded outdoor event such as a live performance, fair, festival, sporting event, or something similar. If you are unvaccinated, the same rules apply, but in addition you must wear a mask if you can’t maintain social distancing.
I’m fully vaccinated, so I stopped wearing my mask outdoors when the state changed the requirements. I haven’t been to any crowded outdoor events such as the ones listed above in the past week and a half, so I haven’t needed to wear my mask outdoors. If I do attend such an event after June 15 and the state no longer requires masks, I probably won’t wear one, assuming the infection numbers stay low. I’m feeling pretty confident in the vaccine.
Honestly, the masks don’t bother me. As an introvert, I honestly love them. No more people telling me “to smile” and I love being incognito. So, I won’t be throwing them out anytime soon. Once I’m fully vaccinated, I’ll probably stop wearing them at the park, though, since not many people are around. But I’ll keep wearing them at stores and crowded places for as long as possible. If you’re fully vaccinated, do what you want. You’re not hurting anyone by wearing it, so who cares what others think.
This is an entirely different attitude, and completely understandable. It’s your life, absolutely do what is right for you. If anyone gives you a hard time for the mask, tell them to shove it where the sun don’t shine. Just so long as you extend the same courtesy to people who don’t wear them.
I will continue not wearing a mask. I will continue living un-vaccinated. I will get a fake vax card if need be. You don’t know who I am. I walk among you. You have been warned Be afraid snow flakes, be very afraid.
Lol
It’s funny. I was entirely planning in getting the jab as soon as the became generally available, even though I’m ‘essential” and could have gotten it months ago. I figured let the elderly and high risk get it first, I’m not really worried for myself.
But the more they propagandize, stigmatize, and threaten people to get it, the more I feel like saying forget you and just skipping it.
I don’t wear one now!
Nope!!! And I generally never did.
Anyone who is vaccinated and still insisting on wearing a mask because others aren’t “trustworthy” and put them at risk, need to educate themselves on what a vaccine is. If you’re vaccinated and want to wear a mask and live in fear go right ahead, but that doesn’t mean others have to, vaccinated or not. At this point everyone can choose for themselves—get the vaccine or don’t, wear a mask or don’t.
Speaking of education, you should look into viral mutation, especially the type that would negate the efficiency of the vaccine…
@ERas Wow still pushing the load. You have been here pushing your conspiracies from the start of COVID HOAX. The filthy face rag has always been completely useless, similar to your opinions. Maybe you should find another hobby. Nobody cares what you think. I don’t even acknowledge people with a mask as human. They are more like faceless blobs moving about the terrain. Not a shred of common sense. Your cult leader fauci is going to prison. Anyone pushing masks and vaccines will be sued. Any business or employer asking for “proof” of any medical treatment is in instant violation of HIPAA. We are already seeing the cult leader fauci start to crumble. Won’t be long now. India is a HOAX. Stop wearing the mask and tell anyone who asks you anything medical for their last name for the lawsuit. Expensive lessons about to be handed out by the truck load.
@ERas Where does it end? At what point will you feel safe? Every single choice in life has a risk. We do our best to make them for ourselves and our families. All our choices will not be the same, and that’s okay. It has been over a year of sacrifice for ALL. We’ve seen many other states ease back into real life and in large they are doing fine. It’s time for CA to follow suit. No more excuses.
ERas,
All viruses mutate. This one doesn’t even mutate particularly quickly. And none of the “variants of concern” have escaped protection from the vaccine or from natural immunity – none of them. You aren’t in danger from other people who aren’t vaccinated, period. Let the experts in viral genomics and the infectious disease surveillance people watch the evolution of the virus. If something truly dangerous emerges in its evolution, they’ll be able to update the vaccines. At this point worrying about variants just because they might someday appear – there’s a word for that, but it’s not “rational.”
Of course not. The only time I wore a mask outdoors was while walking the streets of Walnut Creek because if felt like you’d be arrested if you didn’t have one on. I understand if you’re passing lots of people talking along a narrow, crowded street, but not when walking on a wide, empty street or in a crosswalk by yourself. It will be interesting because I feel now there will be lots more unmasked people because they will want to “signal” that they are vaccinated. So, perhaps those still wearing masks will now feel ‘shamed’ and worry they’ll now be considered part of the unwashed masses?
I never wore a mask outside because I’m not a moron.
This.
Hilarious question, mayor. Yes, I loooove breathing my own air over and over and suffocating my skin, especially on hot days, so much that I’m going to continue it beyond the point that I have to!
Nope.
The original guidance on wearing a face covering was premised on the evidence that it could mitigate against unknowingly transmitting the virus to others by an asymptomatic wearer. A fitted N95 mask might help protect the wearer but persons wearing such masks are rare outside a medical setting. At some point we will reach the point where the hard core opponents of vaccination will be the only ones left unvaccinated. The argument goes that, for them, the vaccine is more of a perceived risk than contracting COVID. As they do not care if they get the disease, why should a fully vaccinated person wear a mask to protect them from the very low risk of transmission by the immunized?
No, I’m ready to dispense with my mask.
Sometimes.
If you wear a 95 rated respirator, you don’t smell things.
And you know what things tend to really stink? People. Their breath, their BO, the cigarettes they smoked 2 hours ago clinging to their clothing. It’s like turning off your sense of smell, it’s great.
Masks are also warm in the winter, and if you wear a respirator, you basically can just skip allergy season.
I don’t even do it now
Well I’m a belly dancer. What else can I do ?
The Science says: If you are vaccinated, you won’t get the Covid19. So following the logic, you have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated.
Does this law mean anything?
HIPAA Law. The meaning of “HIPAA law,” or the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, refers to privacy concerning a person’s medical records. For example, HIPAA Law defines standards for the whole of the U.S. to follow regarding the protection of Americans’ medical records and other information relating to their personal health.
You’re wrong about the science. Getting the vaccine is a protective measure but you can still get covid. It’s not foolproof. Nobody, not even the scientists, said you won’t get covid if you’re vaccinated. LOL.
I really only wore an actual mask indoors during the initial 6 months of the pandemic. Otherwise I wore a neck gaiter and pulled it up as needed.
I haven’t worn a mask outdoors in a year.
Since DEC, I had gone 100% neck gaiter indoors (when required) as frankly its comfortable and convenient. I’ll continue to roll with that if required but I’ll roll mask free in not. And thats case by case: shopping at
a store in a area with elevated cases like Central CA on my route? Prob pull up the gaiter.
Shopping in dwntwn WC? Mask free if allowed.
Wearing a mask has never been about protecting the person wearing the mask. So if you want to wear a mask, go ahead, but don’t get in the face of someone not wearing a mask, especially if you don’t know whether or not they’re vaccinated.
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