The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it.
The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon.
Today’s question:
Governor Gavin Newsom on Thursday issued a curfew for California residents, saying for the next 30 days nobody can leave their home, unless it’s for essential business, between the hours of 10 p.m. – 5 a.m.
QUESTION: Do you think a curfew is necessary, or do you think the Governor is overstepping his power?
Talk about it….
Well, since the Laundry closes at 8:45PM, I guess a curfew is ok.
This is asinine. It serves no purpose, especially sense most people probably aren’t leaving their homes between 10 pm – 5 am anyway. There’s no place to go. And, yes – Newsom is overstepping his power.
It’s to keep people from spending all night getting drunk and/or partying and making unsafe decisions – which has been happening for months and is what led to the severe uptick across the country. People – CLEARLY – have no control over themselves. College kids, adults who just don’t care, etc.. This is another barrier towards helping with that – whether you understand that to not.
This isn’t hard to figure out unless you’re choosing to be blind to the facts here.
If you really think an unenforceable curfew will keep people from getting drunk and partying, you’re clueless. Is Newsom going to go door to door?
And the fact that he’s a hypocrite will keep people from taking him seriously.
The severe uptick has a lot to do with the colder weather. I was told at the beginning (doctors and nurses) that colder weather will bring on a lot more cases because it’s spreads easier in colder weather, and more people indoors.
@Jo Blo
Just stay home if you are afraid. Protect yourself. Who gave you the authority to control people that “can’t control themselves”? Where does this “authority” stop?
Yeah Joe… Certainly is only that. Not the riots and protests for the last 6 months or the hundreds of thousands of idiots who crammed the streets sharing champ bottles to celebrate the election. Small business is done by that time anyways. Go back to your rocket newsom spaceworld.
@JRocks – well since people are CLEARLY unable to control themselves and abide by the international health guidelines for a planetary virus infecting people for years to come, I’d say anyone in power has the authority to do whatever it takes to fix the problem.
I’m sorry if you feel accosted by being told to wear a thin piece of paper for ten minutes while you’re out shopping or that you are limited in public meet-ups outside your immediate family, but that’s the times we’re living in .. because, presumably, people like you and many others on this forum feel they have rights to affect (and infect) other people without a care in the world.
At what point will you stop being the problem and instead “conform” to ANY potential solution? When does the value of another persons (including your own) life come before your own ego and need to “not be controlled”?
The government already assigns you a number, charges you taxes and makes you get a license for everything .. but you draw the line at wearing a mask and not getting plastered in a pandemic? Those values are mighty messed up, in my opinion. *shrug*
@ Joe Blo
LOL!! Seriously?! People haven’t had control over themselves since people started existing. Please stay home if you are that afraid. People will do what people will want to do. If those people do not want to comply then those people will get sick. Oh well. That’s there choice, right? Isn’t that what happens? People always ruin it for other people. Hence the reason for laws (which don’t seem to apply to CA). And please don’t blame it on college kids and adults cause I’ve seen a lot of seniors wearing a mask below there nose. Bottom line people are stupid. You can’t fix stupid, right?
go blo joe!
@Raiderette – That’s a pretty fun take. Let’s take it for a spin.
Person A has the virus but hey, who cares? They’re out partyin’ ignoring the curfew (because he’s no Commie, right!) and infects other people who also “don’t care”. Those people now go home to people who DID abide the curfew and get them sick. Those people go to school, work or to the supermarket and – yup – has a chance to infect OTHER people who weren’t “behaving like Socialists”. Some of them go home to families, others go home alone. Small chance to pass anything on but anything over zero chance is still a chance, right?
But, we’re playing the social card here. People do whatever they want was what you said, I believe. People haven’t had control over themselves since people started existing you also quipped. Interesting. So you’re saying people are incapable of being awaret of what’s going on around them or how their actions affect others as well as themselves? This seems like a pretty good reason for someone to step up and guide people to be … better.
“You can’t fix stupid.” Unfortunately, that’s correct – and there’s lots of people that prove that every second of the day, especially around this area of the state. But that only goes to show why there’s guidance – so the people that aren’t capable of taking care of others by taking care of themselves are assisted.
It’s not a “fear” thing – it’s a common-sense/logical thing. I go out all the time whether it be to the store for food or wherever else. My mask is always on and I wash my hands constantly – as does everyone in my household. Basic things to keep my household and the people they come in contact with wherever they are safe. That’s the difference. People who care about themselves and others and those that only care about what THEY want at any given time and refute anybody who dampens that ideal. As has been shown a few times here in recent months, people’s tunes tend to change when the hypothetical issue of getting sick turns into a reality scare. As you said … “can’t fix stupid”.
Like most things Newsom does, this is all show but now substance. Just another thing he can say he is doing, without actually doing anything. If numbers go up…. people aren’t following the curfew, time to get more strict…..if numbers go down…. look my curfew worked, I’m the best, time to really enforce it and make them go lower……. this guy will do anything that makes him sound good to his liberal base, without actually doing anything. It’s all about image to him, never about substance.
Ironic you abbreviate these requests for opinions as “WC”. Basically means toilet in some countries.
It would be ironic if this blog was based in one of those countries. Otherwise, your comment is irrelevant.
I would imagine most folks are gonna do what they want to do and chuckle while they are doing it. Surely everyone but the dopiest know this so then assuming he is not a complete dope, what is he doing, exactly?
He can’t legally do that…period, end of discussion.
I dare any law enforcement individual to cite or arrest me for that and ill sue em for civil rights violation.
Newscum nice try you are way over your head..
Somebody needs to put a leash on this clown. California is already circling the drain. The last thing we need right now is more nonsense spewing from Sacramento. This curfew will do nothing. Many of those saddled with the responsibility of enforcing this policy are already refusing. Good for them!
Circling? It’s already down the drain and in the sewer.
CA itself is the worlds 5th largest economy. He’s a total failure. Totally going down the drain. Or maybe is just you…
It may be the 5th largest economy but it is run in the red all the time with unfounded debt and getting worse.
No, and yes, he always does.
Gavin says he follows the science. To fight off Covid we must lock down the state, release the incarcerated, and open the borders, it’s the only way…..
Call your sheriff and tell them what you want.
A sheriff’s jurisdiction is in the county, not the city, where the local police are the law.
Does this apply to the Indian Casinos?–do they have to close?
Putting a curfew from 10pm to 5am really doesn’t make sense, because most places are closed. Thinking this is just a small step for Newson to step up the game,…bit by bit at a time to take more important things away from us. Before you know it, more Freedoms of this State will be gone.
I agree with the curfew. Steps need to be taken to get this under control. If the idiots would just use the mask and stay away from other people as much as possible we might get a handle on this situation.
@KAD, this does nothing. Do you really believe that there are that many people out at these hours spreading and contracting??? This has absolutely no merit, they have not provided any explanation on what activities they are targeting. Not that I agree with it, but a day time curfew would make sense….
Also, where in Claycord are you living that you are seeing people not wearing masks?
The virus is going to spread, it can’t be stopped and for many they can’t accept that reality so they hide behind these “rules”. You really believe exactly 6 feet separation is enough to be safe… but it sure makes you feel good. Take your forehead temperature to screen you, oh wait they already know that is completely ineffective yet its still being done, but doesn’t it make you feel good!
@ KAD
You have the right to stay home and protect yourself. If isolate at home you will not get sick.
Like in Italy, or Spain for example? They’ve had a mask mandate for all spaces outside the home, and they’re spiking just like we are.
@KAD I would really say if you want to be the idiot wearing the mask then you can continue you keep wearing it. If people feel safer wearing a mask and social distancing and thinking that 10:00 PM is a magic time that you will contract COVID until after the clock ticks to 10:01 PM then stay home with your mask on. However, for those of us that feel comfortable not wearing a mask and do not want be prisoners in our own home then I would not say we are the idiots.
Just look at the city-by-city breakdown: it’s not hard to figure out. Places with blue-collar workers and poorer households with more people per sq foot are higher. The spread isn’t your hated neighbors, it’s the essential workers who can’t sit on Zoom through all of this. Our current strategy is “shelter the richer” and “achieve herd immunity among the poorer.”
But it is more psychologically satisfying to blame other people for having fun…
The french laundry advises that gavin pre-soak his head before trying to scrub the stain out.
again this is to see if you follow what ever he says
if so the curfew will be expanded
if you dont the curfew will be expanded
do you get it yet
this is control and power and an obvious short man complex and a tip of the cap to his aunt pelosi
and to john comment …..
Like most things Newsom does, this is all show but now substance. Just another thing he can say he is doing, without actually doing anything.
with that thinking then it appears de slacker should be the next gov and we can all have picknicks in a park….paid for by our taxes
we the people are under siege …..do your homework
same thing happened in germany
pretty soo we will need a pass to go to work
and have our homes inspected regularly
best part you voted for this to happen
lol and doh
you want to be ruled and lose your freedom
gratz …….cant wait for the trains to show up
here we go
It is not an “or” question. First, is a curfew necessary? What is that, a timeout? Curfew? The precept is this will limit transmission of the virus. OF course, he set the curfew for a period of time when there are less people about to begin with. Viruses are not known to clock out at 10 PM, and clocking back in at 5 in the morning. So, no, “curfew” is not necessary. Next, is Gavin overstepping his power? Of course he is. He knows no limitations on law, only that he “should” state the laws, his rule. Exemplifies the laws for thee standard.
To restate again since you didn’t read the comment(s) above …
It’s to keep people from spending all night getting drunk and/or partying and making unsafe decisions – which has been happening for months and is what led to the severe uptick across the country. People – CLEARLY – have no control over themselves. College kids, adults who just don’t care, etc.. This is another barrier towards helping with that – whether you understand that to not.
This isn’t hard to figure out unless you’re purposefully choosing to make a scientific/medical issue a political one. Note – many other countries also have a curfew in place for the same reason and NONE of them could care any less for the state of California or this country as a whole since they have their own problems. But hey, people need to be offended over something ’round here so why not make up a problem or two when you’re bored. *shrug*
“Note – many other countries also have a curfew in place for the same reason…”
And they’re spiking just like we are.
@Joe Blo
So if Gavin Von Newsome wanted to enforce a mandatory work out schedule for fat people you would be good with that? After all heart disease is the #1 killer in our country. Where do you draw the line?
You are so caught up in the virus that you don’t understand, or have forgotten what country you live in. If you read the constitution you may understand what most people here are talking about. If you don’t you will continue to miss the point.
@Joe bio
It is not the governor of a State’s role to make sure people do not make unsafe decisions, whether it be drinking or staying up late. What evidence would you provide that demonstrates that people drinking after 10 PM is leading to a spike in positive Covid tests after 3 months of decreasing positive covid tests? Not agreeing with a state executive who has taken it upon himself to dictate how people should live their life (even if just telling them, they cannot go out after dark) is political in that a politician has trod upon the individual liberties of the state’s residents. Newsom’s orders are not a medical issue (nothing medical about it), and not tremendously scientific.
@JRocks:
Even better would be a mandatory workout schedule for everybody, regardless of their susceptibility to heart disease.
Once you get used to this, it will be the norm … just like every other freedom he has restricted. Pretty soon you won’t even be complaining when the “rules” get even more ridiculous. Newsom knows what a moral degenerate he is, so the thinks everybody else behaves the same way he does … therefore, the curfew.
@Rollo – and that was predicted by many scientists because people are tired of the same monotony for the past nine months. That’s the same with anything. People didn’t take things seriously and it blew up to where we are now. So of course the best action is to just ignore it and continue on doing nothing still? Makes sense.
@Jrocks – I didn’t know that “being fat” was something that could be passed from person to person via multiple methods and needed to be controlled. If a severely rotund person sneezes on me, am I also doomed to become a Costco Baby Yoda Squishy doll? No? They’re not the same thing? Oh … okay then. It would seem you’re [checks the quote] … “so caught up in the virus that you don’t understand” – what you’re actually fighting for. It is what it is.
@Jeff – Did you ask what evidence I have that states that people who stay up late in public tend to be at locations where alcohol is consumed – sometimes to excess? Outside of a 24/7 supermarket or gas station, where else are people going that doesn’t serve alcohol? As another person pointed out before (in a comment towards me, which made no sense), [sometimes] people don’t make the best decisions so if they’re getting a drink or two (or three or four or…), proper pandemic behavior can certainly be forgotten. Basic common sense and decorum is forgotten when being out late without drinking sometimes “just because”, but for some reason you’re not counting those at all? As for your first part, it actually *IS* the governor’s role to ensure the safety of the people – which, I’m not sure if you’ve noticed or not, we’re in a bit of a pickle with this whole virus thing going around killing some people, making others sick all the while being contagious too all ages, genders and walks of life. If you think he’s overstepping his bounds, and you’re CLEARLY not alone here on the Claycord, I’m sure you and others will be filing an official complaint about his abuse of power and have a trial set up so the state can get compensated for all this … “Communism” … or is it all just talk like always? That’s how it is here. It’s how it ALWAYS is here.
This is addressed to the morons who actually believe in lockdowns and curfews. Ok, lock everyone down like Italy did. The “virus” infections dropped dramatic in ltaly, but what happens when you slowly open back up and follow health protocols? Oh yeah…IT just miraculously disappears NOT! You have to manage it…Lockdowns & Curfews are feel good ideas that Liberal politicians can celebrate in places like the French Laundry while the rest suffer the consequences.
He just did it after New York did it. Hope he feels good. People should just stay home unless out to work or getting essentials. I can get drunk and party from 2-10pm. Where is the science behind 10pm? Newsom should listen to the science.
Since many don’t know how to behave, the whole class gets punished.
Your choice of analogy is telling of your mindset.
While you may feel like a kid in grade school, I do not. And I certainly don’t look to the corrupt scumbags in office as surrogate teachers.
The relationship between citizen and politician is not one of student/teacher, nor is it of supplicant/master. As such, I will not be following their unconstitutional edicts.
Yo KAD
so by your assumptions
How well are the socialist countries doing
They have mandatory lockdown and no freedoms
Oh and still Covid exists there
Wow how is that possible
In countries that are communist socialist and have no rights but to do what we where and how the dictator says
The virus still lives ahhh this is madness
No this is America where
Yes that’s right we can question the gov
And ask for proof
And demand for our families
And oppose idiocy and hypocrisy and a dictatorship
Your compliance only pushes our freedoms out the door
It only emboldens the hypocrisy
It only spreads more fear
Oh wait that’s your intent to jab at freedom of people who wish to be free
To hush people who wish to enjoy their freedom and live life
But ahhhh what about me and my family out on the streets with our masks and such suffering the exposure from the free Americans on the streets
Seriously stay home if your scared
while we work and pay the extra taxes you voted to burden us with
My opinion is this,
November 6, 2020
“The Recall Gavin 2020 campaign has been given a 120 day extension to collect 1,495,709 signed petitions, which if validated by the Secretary of State, would force Governor Newsom to defend his seat in a special election.”
Something to sign before Thanksgiving dinner, https://recallgavin2020.com/
thank you!
Save the people!
Completely unnecessary……he signed his own Impeachment papers.
It isn’t about the science anymore people!
Main event is still on for tonight! Specatators are welcome as our drivers will be performing from 9 PM – 2 AM in front of the CarMax in Pleasant Hill. Please park across the street in Burlington/In N Outs parking lot. We have a great event planned and mind blowing races and stunts for our audience. Hope you enjoy it!
The curfew does not go into effect until Saturday, so have fun tonight!
We’re such children….
We need boundaries…….
Thank goodness Newsom is there to keep us in line!
Do you really think gsvin newson will abide by his curfew?
im going to spend all night after 10 pm doing smoking donuts in busy intersections in Concord.The police wont care about anything but the fact that is after 10 pm,please arrest me,i need the money,esp if its CPD officer that looks like the guy from police academy that got his car stolen in the middle of the night si Hightower could learn how to drive..Hoab # 550 you have a lawsuit being filed against you for false arrest.Think back to a Sunday on Clayton rd when you walked up to someone racking their lawn and told them they had a a warrant,it wasnt valid and you were just following orders…you are liable,glad you make all that money,youll be giving some of it to me.They filed a case well after the year limit,but dont worry,you wont get fired.John Burris will be sending you and your work some mail.
im going to spend all night after 10 pm doing smoking donuts in busy intersections in Concord.The police wont care about anything but the fact that is after 10 pm,please arrest me,i need the money,esp if its CPD officer that looks like the guy from police academy that got his car stolen in the middle of the night si Hightower could learn how to drive..Hoab # 550 you have a lawsuit being filed against you for false arrest.Think back to a Sunday on Clayton rd when you walked up to someone racking their lawn and told them they had a a warrant,it wasnt valid and you were just following orders…you are liable,glad you make all that money,youll be giving some of it to me.They filed a case well after the year limit,but dont worry,you wont get fired.John Burris will be sending you and your work some mail.Thank you
Wow, congratulations on cutting and pasting (except for the addition of “thank you”) the same incoherent comment twice in nine minutes.
i added thank you before sending it for posting…….cutting and pasting?dont have a clue how to do that and dont want to post something twice.
What was incoherent?the word so came out as si…I know CNN would never make such an error,note to liberals,its not incoherent because you dont understand it.
Well, except for the addition of “thank you”, you certainly did post the same thing twice. The incoherence stems from the lack of punctuation, spacing, sentence structure resembling anything cogent, and personal anecdotal ramblings about which nobody gives a s**t. But perhaps the most revealing thing is that you assume anyone critical of your writing is a liberal.
its a liberals job to pick on spelling ,grammar and punctuation,its a sign that they have nothing and just want to disagree with anything they see.Pay attention maybe????You’ve shown us you know how to read,but comprehension?You’re going to need more classes.
Still not going to bed before one.
thanks original for that info. just sent it to my daughters family.How much freedom do we have to give up before we wise up. This is the most absurd thing I have seen yet. Some people in California had better wake up. unbelievable!!!!
Measures need to balance the benefit with the cost – and the cost needs to factor in how much you are pissing people off. If you are incurring a pound of distrust and resentment for a penny’s worth of slowing the spread … it’s a bad decision.
Our police don’t even enforce minor infractions any more. How can you credibly impose a curfew with minor (at best) effects?
over stepping his boundaries again! Recall time NOW!!!
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The governor is following what the doctor ordered. He has the authority to start and end the curfew. It is to slow the surge. Just stop the wining and complaints. I am thankful we have a great person in charge. The haters are rampant on Claycord. Fortunately they are in the minority. We have to think of our medical community working tirelessly saving lives. Just follow the rules for the sake of your families and your community. Stop being hateful and selfish. Please.
ILP
You have a great person in charge? Who? We desperately need a leader in this state because of the huge failure Newscum has been this entire time. If you have someone that is great, share him/her with us so that we can all bask in that joy!
O, did you mean Newscum was the great leader? O … sorry you feel that way. Sorry that your expectations of ‘great’ are so low. Trust us, you can do better then Newscum. He does not love you, me or anyone but himself and his hair products.
People under 49 have a 99.92% covid survival rate. Over 70 a 94.6% chance. Newsom is not following doctors or science, just politics.
No hate here; I feel sorry for someone who is so obviously morally bankrupt. Eventually he will have a discussion where the guy with the horns and pointed stick conducts business.
The Rossmoor Rebel has spoken~!
TIME FOR A MED EVALUATION
@Fearless: ILP is somewhat of an enigma, in that while a resident of Rossmoor, he/she insists on labeling those who disagree “haters” like a clueless teenager would do.
Who are the “haters” again? Recall that ridiculous 2018 twitter photo and SF Chronicle followup story that Gavin Newsom’s spouse said her family uses specially ordered doggie poop bags with Trump’s picture on it. How hateful and juvenile is that.
@Fearless – “People under 49 have a 99.92% covid survival rate. Over 70 a 94.6% chance”. The survival rate is even higher if you include the thousands of people who had the virus and didn’t know it.
Oh we’re being called “haters” again.
Nope. No “hate” here, snowflake.
Just tired of idiot politicians/hypocrites trying to strip away my rights.
And tired of lying liberals like popcorn fawning over every democrat that ever existed.
Bubba had Monica, and Newsom has popcorn.
Good one…
Popcorn is to Newscum as Monica was to Bubba…
And as Harris to Willie Brown
Popcorn is sucking up to the dnc (and DeSaulnier) pretty hard.
The Governor is ordering the Doctors and promoting fear and panic
not the other way around….. Recall Omen Newsom now!
You are scary.
Incoherent. Why don’t you just copy/paste the text from the conspiracy website, or the actual link ?
Adding your own interpretation is just adding more confusion to an already implausible theory.
Thanks in advance 👍
First, I know of ZERO cops who would ever enforce this. BUT if they feel the need to do so, I know 3 people who could start being the curfew police. Use the 3 police captains who all worked the last holiday in order to spike their pay and pensions. This is in the middle of a budget crisis and the pandemic, and while all “non-essential (non-patrol) officers were ordered to stay home.
Seriously, I doubt any PD is going to enforce this.
Baaaaaaaaaawaaaaaaaaaaa. 🤪🤪🤪PO Baby dat too bad! The truth is the truth! Follow the rules and grow up. Save lives and keep us healthy. If you have a problem with that than you are dangerous. Oh… yea… you might
be all Trumpsters that blame the democrats for COVID!! Ha ha we are not that powerful, with the exception we voted your savior out. Stop drinking the Koolaid. To Auntie BABA!! Could you just stop the hate for once? You are miserable.
As popcorn so eloquently expresses thoughtful, well-reasoned comments while cowering at home, frozen in fear by a virus with a 99,7% survival rate. Hey popcorn, Ebola called – it wants to drop in and visit Rossmoor!
While we’re at it popcorn, perhaps you could take some time for self reflection, go back a few months and review all of your fawning commentary regarding all things all things Newsome, then tell us again about who believes politicians are saviors. Perhaps most interesting is the fact you believe politicians have the desire, much less the ability, to keep us safe and healthy. That responsibility is ultimately the domain of each individual, not the state.
Ah yes, it’s on the internet so it must be true. Solid reasoning right there 👌
COVID is very smart and crafty. Only comes out after 10 pm. Bahahahaha!!!
Gavin says there will be a curfew. Too funny! Who will enforce this curfew? Our police departments are already busy and they have more important things to do. Most people are home anyway during the curfew hours. Too bad the curfew wont stop the college kids from having their parties or stop any protest gatherings who intend to loot.
To Mr. Rollo Tomasi! Sheltering in place at home is not an act of cowardice. It is the opposite, We have a pandemic that people become the vessel to spread from me to you and everybody! You don’t get to not wear your mask just because your personal freedoms are taken away. We have the responsibilities to protect each other regardless of your political beliefs. We must follow the protocols. No they can’t enforce the curfew. They will educate the ignorant. It is a great reminder of danger lurks with uncontrollable behaviors. Please just behave yourself. Don’t worry about THE GOVERNMENT telling you what to do. We the people are The Government. Grow up and do the right thing.
I won’t be participating, if I get pulled over for breaking curfew, I’ll sue. This is illegal on many levels. I don’t need gavin to “keep” me safe, I can and will make my own choices. Such as Thanksgiving. I will be celebrating out of state, with more than 10 people from more than 3 households. So Gavin, do us all a favor and crawl back into the hole you came out of.
I hope you don’t get infected or anyone in your household too. You know you are seriously raising your chances of participating in the spread. It is a self centered way to behave by putting others at risk.
You think the governor is the one imposing these restrictions for no good reason? We are in the middle of the worst surge yet. This virus is way out of control. People die from it. They can get serious complications too. Like missing limbs, heart problems etc. So sorry for you.
You mention “I” a lot! This is not about you. The protocols are to protect others and you, I hope you realize you are putting your friends at risk on Thanksgiving. What are you going to do if you go out after curfew??
That is comical. All dressed up and nowhere to go! Have fun.
Droplets 💧 spread 25 feet and the aerosol droplets 💧 last 15 minutes!
That is something to remember. Follow the science!
Not sure why so many people are complaining, this should have been done months ago. Problem is too many people are still partying every weekend. I have 3 neighbors who constantly party almost every weekend and without face masks. We all want our kids to go back to school and get things back to normal but we have too many folks out there thinking this is all a joke. Good luck to everyone.
Newscum blamed his CHP detail for infecting his kids with COVID; turns out his kids got it from them “attending their private school in person.”
The rules are for thee but not for me. Just like the French Laundry. Hysterical like plump jack winery staying open.
And that’s the problem I have with this COVID 19 thing…. politicians evicting rules that they don’t follow but expect the public to follow … California, Nevada and Oregon.
Just like the democrats forcing Obamacare on the public and exempting themselves.
POS liars.