And I’m beginning to think they may cut the power anyway just to spite us.
Yves HarloweOctober 26, 2019 - 1:56 PM - 1:56 PM
How can small businesses absorb the losses? And if the prop 13 split roll proposition passes, add higher property taxes on to losses from power shut offs.
FredOctober 26, 2019 - 2:18 PM - 2:18 PM
Think twice before you move to the Gulf Coast, freezing north and even the Atlantic coast, hurricane ally? Might be cheaper to setup solar or generators. Could this just be talk to get some tax advantage out of the state?
JasonOctober 26, 2019 - 2:48 PM - 2:48 PM
I work for a company that is in the top 25 in the US in revenue. We used to have 12,000 corporate jobs in CA. Our business in CA has grown by 500% in last 10 years. BUT we now only have roughly 4k employees in the state and shrinking. You don’t have to be in CA to do business in CA. We have shrunk our real estate footprint, as in office space by 80%, just send people to telework and VPN. From there employees realize that they can move out of state with in-state salary and pay way less taxes. Oregon and Arizona are the two states most move to, although some go to Nevada.
The split roll will also be horrible for small business oweners and immigrant business owners especially. Most of those leases are NNN and they wont be able to absorb the costs. Every one will get hit, DR, Dentist, retail, food business, gas stations will raise prices by a lot.
GittyupOctober 26, 2019 - 4:55 PM - 4:55 PM
Opponents are predicting split roll Prop 13, if passed, will drive up the cost of EVERYTHING in California as increased property taxes are passed on to consumers. Seems like another bad idea that made its way onto the ballot, but then it’s not the experts introducing these things to a vote. Anybody can introduced just about anything to the ballot providing they get the required signatures. Just because it’s on the ballot doesn’t mean it’s worthy of passage.
Another example of gross incompetence of those running this state.
But, hey, you voted them into office . . . . , they’re so pathetic they can’t even figure out how to sell POT.
As tax base dwindles who do you think liberal politicians will go after to make up the difference ? Most of you will reply the rich. Problem with that logic, New Jersey already did that years back and the rich moved out of the state.
What happens if those rich Californians who don’t move and simply decide to make less?
Getting back to question, who will they come after . . . . YOU.
They are not about to give up squandering your tax dollars in their ludicrous quest for their socialist Utopia, all the while trying to out liberal the rest of the world.
LoL… oh please! No matter how many people leave this damn state it is still too damn crowded… but I’ll admit, I will be jealous if they truly leave!
Fred P.October 26, 2019 - 8:58 PM - 8:58 PM
But the liberals in California still sit there and sputter “ but California has the world’s 5th largest economy ….”
Yeah, for a third world $hithole…
You know what Californians used before candles and doing homework by firelight?
Electricity.
Joey COctober 27, 2019 - 7:20 AM - 7:20 AM
While I agree with everyone that there is plenty of blame owed to PG&E and our state government, we should not forget the elephant in the room, the same elephant that will follow businesses to Texas, Nevada, or any other business-friendly fantasy utopia.
It used to be that only Bangladesh, the Seychelles, and the North Pole were going to take the brunt of climate change. Then we had hundreds of people dying in heatwaves in Europe, New Orleans and Houston flooded, a hurricane flooding… New Jersey?! and an increase in extreme weather events globally.
I too used to think that California was relatively safe. Our climate is so mild that we could take a little weather change one way or the other. But now we find ourselves in Indian Summer, the best time of year for going to the beach, but the majority of the rural inlands are so combustible that we can’t safely run electricity atop poles. No amount of sudden competence on the part of PG&E or state government is going to change that. RA698
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It’s starting to be humiliating to tell people one lives in California.
Yes sir. On business out of state, and when people know I’m from CA, I feel obligated to say, “Don’t hold it against me.”
I didn’t think of this conspiracy theory.
That might bring the cost of living in the Bay Area back to normal. But I doubt if it will happen.
And I’m beginning to think they may cut the power anyway just to spite us.
How can small businesses absorb the losses? And if the prop 13 split roll proposition passes, add higher property taxes on to losses from power shut offs.
Think twice before you move to the Gulf Coast, freezing north and even the Atlantic coast, hurricane ally? Might be cheaper to setup solar or generators. Could this just be talk to get some tax advantage out of the state?
I work for a company that is in the top 25 in the US in revenue. We used to have 12,000 corporate jobs in CA. Our business in CA has grown by 500% in last 10 years. BUT we now only have roughly 4k employees in the state and shrinking. You don’t have to be in CA to do business in CA. We have shrunk our real estate footprint, as in office space by 80%, just send people to telework and VPN. From there employees realize that they can move out of state with in-state salary and pay way less taxes. Oregon and Arizona are the two states most move to, although some go to Nevada.
The split roll will also be horrible for small business oweners and immigrant business owners especially. Most of those leases are NNN and they wont be able to absorb the costs. Every one will get hit, DR, Dentist, retail, food business, gas stations will raise prices by a lot.
Opponents are predicting split roll Prop 13, if passed, will drive up the cost of EVERYTHING in California as increased property taxes are passed on to consumers. Seems like another bad idea that made its way onto the ballot, but then it’s not the experts introducing these things to a vote. Anybody can introduced just about anything to the ballot providing they get the required signatures. Just because it’s on the ballot doesn’t mean it’s worthy of passage.
@Jason
You forgot to include Texas.
Another example of gross incompetence of those running this state.
But, hey, you voted them into office . . . . , they’re so pathetic they can’t even figure out how to sell POT.
As tax base dwindles who do you think liberal politicians will go after to make up the difference ? Most of you will reply the rich. Problem with that logic, New Jersey already did that years back and the rich moved out of the state.
“More than $70 billion in wealth left New Jersey between 2004 and 2008 as affluent residents moved elsewhere,…”
https://www.nj.com/business/2010/02/nj_loses_70b_in_wealth_over_fo.html
https://www.nj.com/news/2011/01/more_than_60_percent_of_moves.html
What happens if those rich Californians who don’t move and simply decide to make less?
Getting back to question, who will they come after . . . . YOU.
They are not about to give up squandering your tax dollars in their ludicrous quest for their socialist Utopia, all the while trying to out liberal the rest of the world.
Businesses leaving this state is nothing new, this is an eye opener,
https://web.archive.org/web/20160114201513/http://spectrumlocationsolutions.com/pdf/Businesses-Leave-California-.pdf
Ill help them pack, see ya.
The last go round pushed Intel out of manufacturing in Silicon Valley. Once the power was deemed unreliable, they hightailed it out of here.
The effects of climate crisis. This just the beginning.
LoL… oh please! No matter how many people leave this damn state it is still too damn crowded… but I’ll admit, I will be jealous if they truly leave!
But the liberals in California still sit there and sputter “ but California has the world’s 5th largest economy ….”
Yeah, for a third world $hithole…
You know what Californians used before candles and doing homework by firelight?
Electricity.
While I agree with everyone that there is plenty of blame owed to PG&E and our state government, we should not forget the elephant in the room, the same elephant that will follow businesses to Texas, Nevada, or any other business-friendly fantasy utopia.
It used to be that only Bangladesh, the Seychelles, and the North Pole were going to take the brunt of climate change. Then we had hundreds of people dying in heatwaves in Europe, New Orleans and Houston flooded, a hurricane flooding… New Jersey?! and an increase in extreme weather events globally.
I too used to think that California was relatively safe. Our climate is so mild that we could take a little weather change one way or the other. But now we find ourselves in Indian Summer, the best time of year for going to the beach, but the majority of the rural inlands are so combustible that we can’t safely run electricity atop poles. No amount of sudden competence on the part of PG&E or state government is going to change that. RA698
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