Claycord – Talk About Politics

January 14, 2022 19:00 pm · 108 comments

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Original G January 14, 2022 at 7:03 PM

Original G
$10,306,082 spent to get Prop 47 passed in 2014.
Prop 47 “Requires misdemeanor sentence instead of felony for the following crimes when amount involved is $950 or less: petty theft, receiving stolen property …”

2022
‘Looters ransack trains at downtown LA sorting depot and leave COVID tests and pharmaceutical drugs littered along the tracks’
dailymail https://tinyurl.com/3m2d78wp

‘Ordered Something That’s Delayed? Here Are Some Customers Who Were Victim to Cargo Train Theft’
nbcLA https://tinyurl.com/2p8ftv2y

video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1R-KanyaGY
At 42 second mark, blue cargo container comes into view with an open door.

Badge1104 January 14, 2022 at 8:00 PM

On top of that, proposition 47 was named “The Safe Neighborhood and Schools Act” to trick voters into voting for it. It was named by none other than our California attorney general at the time, Kamala Harris.

Darwin January 14, 2022 at 8:14 PM

Prop 47 made drug use practically legal, thus negating Prop 36 which passed in 2000, requiring mandatory drug treatment for drug offenders.
And this is why we have had an EXPLOSION in URBAN CAMPERS (homeless) over the past 7 years.

Thank a democrat 👎🏼

Xennial January 14, 2022 at 10:25 PM

Do you think ANY of your examples involve amounts “$950 or less”? What you have done is pointed out two separate unrelated facts – so do you have a logical point or were you just going for emotional knee-jerk reaction?

Original G January 14, 2022 at 10:59 PM

Just went up on daily mail website,

‘Jaw-dropping aerial photos show THOUSANDS of unopened Amazon and UPS packages stolen from trains when they stop outside LA depot’
https://tinyurl.com/mt7v6t64

Original G January 15, 2022 at 10:59 AM

Xennial, … You must be new here.
For those who have already seen this info, will keep this short.

DEM controlled CA state legislature decided to make prison overcrowding, not their problem and FORCED it down onto all 58 counties in 2011 by passing AB-109.

Prior to AB-109 Felony sentence in excess of 367 days was served in state prison, AB109 did away with that. County jails now house convicted Felons serving decades long sentences. County Jails in all 58 counties became overcrowded, forcing release of sentenced misdemeanor criminals long before their sentences were up.
For sentenced misdemeanor criminals turning county jails into farcical revolving door jokes. Isn’t unusual these days for a person sentenced to serve months in jail for a misdemeanor crime to be back on the streets in mere hours.

Also changed, how Parole violations are handled.
Previous to AB-109 those violating State Parole were “rolled up” and sent back to State Prison possibly for a year or more. (deterrence) Now, all but a very few, Parole violators serve time in county jails, adding to jail overcrowding. Maximum for Parole violations is now limited to 180 days county jail time, BUT because of jail overcrowding it’s usually no more than 10 days or in some cases hours.
“Club Snoopy” https://tinyurl.com/z4s74cpt

So let’s see,
Make it harder for law enforcement to charge a Felony, CHECK
Make property theft $950 or less a misdemeanor, CHECK
Make personal drug use a misdemeanor, CHECK
Incentivize property crimes, CHECK

Criminals have realized they’re unlikely to be arrested or prosecuted if they keep it under $950, basically if it’s less than $950 it’s free, Prop 47 incentivizes property crimes.

An lets not forget liberal DAs, . . .
20 December 2021 Union Pacific railroad sends letter to DA of LA.
In that letter UP states they “have never been contacted for any Court proceedings”.
https://tinyurl.com/4btnes3y

We are being “experimented” on using our tax dollars.
If they get it wrong there’s no apology, no admission “we screwed up”.
It’s on to the next, not thought all the way thru knee jerk brain fart. Wondering if Californians will ever get fed up and stop electing limited ability mirror worshipers.

IF there is no threat of lengthy incarceration,
there is no deterrence of crime.

If you’d like more info on AB-109 or Prop 47,
have over 120 articles bookmarked.

Xennial January 15, 2022 at 10:18 PM

Original G:

Prop-47 largely changed the misdemeanor amount from previous $450 to $950 keeping the law consistent with inflation from when the law was originally enacted. Its really not a big change unless you are paranoid.

AB-109 moved certain felons from state prison facilities to county jail facilities. It does not affect how felonies are charged. Personally I don’t care if they are incarcerated here or there – why would location matter as much as you seem to be implying?

Regarding personal drug use, I, and many others consider lessons-learned from the so-called war on drugs era to demonstrate why personal drug use should not be criminalized at all. Incarceration to punish people addicted to drugs is not as effective in treating drug addiction than actual medical treatment for drug addiction. If the goal is to have fewer drug addicts then treatment is the best route. I know this may offend your sinners-must-be-punished mentality but in the real world doing what is actually effective in addressing a problem is more effective than moral zealousness.

Original G January 16, 2022 at 1:54 AM

Xennial, …

From text of bill AB-109 some of the “features” of AB-109.
“Community-based corrections programs …”
“Community-based punishment …”
“Home detention with electronic monitoring or GPS monitoring.”
State legislature’s, way of saying, not our problem any more.

Some problems with GPS monitoring,
‘Sex offenders routinely released from California jails, records show’
“Convicted sex offenders and other felons in California are systematically walking free, despite continuously violating their parole.” …
February 2012
‘New law releases sex offender early; caught on video violating parole’
https://abc7.com/archive/8560757/

March 2013
‘More California Sex Offenders Going Missing Under New Law’
https://tinyurl.com/24r6dhdr

August 2013
” The 30-year law enforcement veteran, who is getting ready to retire, says she is “at a total loss.”
“I can honestly say, we do our job, we do the very best job we can, but we can’t protect the community with this,” she said. “We can’t protect them from these sex offenders because they get out of jail the next day.” ”
cnn https://tinyurl.com/ymb5w3j7 MUST WATCH

County jail overcrowding example,
October 5, 2020
‘Within hours of his early release from jail due to overcrowding, a parolee with a lengthy and violent history was arrested Sunday on suspicion of murder.’ …

“… was arrested Saturday, Oct. 3, after a domestic violence incident. He was booked into the Shasta County jail on charges of “possession of methamphetamine for sales, drug paraphernalia and a parole violation.”

Within five hours of his arrest, Noyes was released from jail.

The RPD describes the early release as necessary:

“Due to the multiple issues facing the Shasta County Jail with prisoner overcrowding and California Department of Corrections not transporting multiple sentenced inmates taking up jail bed space.”

Within “a matter of hours,” Noyes was involved in a shooting incident in Redding, police said.”
https://tinyurl.com/pk92zj7t

Your logic is fascinating, inflation you say . . . Hmm.

For many politicians it’s about their look good and moving up the food chain, but too many people of “color” locked up effects their look good.
Benefit from Prop 47, by recategorizing a series of felonies into misdemeanors it skews stats on state’s prison recidivism rate.

“… incarcerated here or there – why would location matter …”

Prior to AB-109 Felony sentence in excess of 367 days was served in state prison, AB109 did away with that. DEM controlled state legislature decided easiest way to deal with CA’s state prison overcrowding problem was to make it Not their problem.
They forced overcrowding down onto all 58 county jail systems of CA.

personal drug use,
Perhaps the most egregious thing done was what they did to Judges.
“Prior to passage of Prop. 47, Superior Court Judges in California had a proven method to force defendants into a clean n sober lifestyle.

Upon felony conviction a very harsh state Prison term would be imposed which was immediately suspended and defendant was placed on probation, 3 to 5 years. Conditions of probation had to stay clean n sober, random drug testing and no new unlawful activity.

Was made abundantly clear to defendants if they failed they would do the harsh state prison sentence.
This method forced most defendants to hit bottom and change.
Lives were saved !

Prop. 47 took that proven method away from Judges.
These days if a defendant has a substance abuse problem and a Judge offers options of treatment or County Jail time. Defendants take jail sentence. Treatment programs are usually 90 days, jail sentences because of Jail overcrowding are often well under ten days.

So a chemically dependent defendant gets three hots and a cot, rests up, then hits the street with their substance abuse problem intact. To again be predacious upon society committing property crimes to support their need.

Glen223 January 16, 2022 at 7:13 AM

@xennial – “keep the law consistent with inflation??????”

Wow – those drugs that you’re currently in favor of decriminalizing have sure taken hold of your mind. Or maybe you’re just a Diane becton/Chesea boudin/George gascon fan.

Care to provide proof?

Anew January 16, 2022 at 7:50 AM

@Xennial. Before you call people paranoid, ask a retail business owner what they think of Prop 47. Losing $950 in a matter of minutes is devastating. Why do you think Walgreens closed 22 stores in SF in 2021?

Moving felons from state prisons to county jails was a cost shifting dodge by Sacramento. The counties are not equipped to handle it.

Glen223 January 16, 2022 at 1:36 PM

The change to $950 for a felony had NOTHING to do with “inflation.”

You are obviously not aware of the text supporting the bill when it was introduced in the legislature some years ago.

Try again ….

Xennial January 16, 2022 at 4:35 PM

Glenn223

Sorry the inflation comment went over your head. Inflation and other economic factors are relevant to property crime because a concept called efficient justice. That is, at a certain point it doesn’t make sense to spend $10,000 in order to prevent the loss of $100. It may sometimes make sense to spend $10,000 to prevent the loss of $5,000 because there are other factors involved like fairness, equity, etc. but at some point the most efficient method of addressing minor societal problems is to just reimburse the victims (with certain safeguards). Currently society doesn’t do this, so I won’t go into excessive details on that aspect here as there is no ready comparison.

However, what stays true is police resources are not unlimited so they have to prioritize larger cases over smaller ones. This prioritizing can be done either explicitly in the law by designated thresholds (i.e. $450, $950 discussed here) or prioritization is done less transparently by budget constraints and the decisions of the DA and police departments. I would argue having transparent thresholds in the law is clearer and more consistent than allowing individual departments to try to make decisions on an ad-hoc basis. Police costs, salaries, etc. are affected by inflation so the same threshold established in say 1990 does not produce the same levels of efficiency today. Adjusting for inflation maintains the same level of efficient justice.
From there it gets even more complicated if you want to look at a game-theory optimal application of law enforcement. Only prosecuting big crimes becomes inefficient as it incentivizes small crime. Game theory would indicate an optimal allocation would be to prosecute big crimes but also prosecute small crimes at a lesser rate. Ideally small crimes would be prosecuted on a random basis so criminals could not predict whether or not any small crime would be pursued. Weighted according to likelihood of obtaining a conviction.

Thus a change from $450 to $950 just shifts the threshold value and it takes more evidence than “crime happens” in order to argue one value is ultimately better than the other. Also note, crimes below this threshold are still crimes and can be prosecuted as misdemeanors.

Ugh, I have ended up presenting quite a wall of text here which I apologize. If you are interesting in these types of topics consider reading about game-theory being used to stop crime, and also consider how justice is a balance of deterrence, fairness, consistency, equality-under-the-law, efficiency, restitution, and punishment. Obviously volumes have been written about each of these topics. My ultimate point here is justice isn’t solely about deterrence and punishment but also involves other factors as well. Inflation is relevant to some of those other factors.

Xennial January 16, 2022 at 5:48 PM

Original G

First, I want to commend you for having an evidence based discussion.

Second, if you want to actually convince me or other liberals of the point you are trying to make let me explain the evidence we would need to see. News stories will always be insufficient because they are always one-sided. They cannot report instances when a crime was deterred. News will only report crimes which occurred. In order to compare whether or not a change (i.e. prop 47 or AB-109) has caused a change in crime rates you generally have to show a correlation which requires an aggregate analysis of data. For example, a graph showing crime rates before and after prop 47 or AB-109 was enacted which shows an upward spike or upward trend on the date of enactment. The temporal comparison of before and after can demonstrate whether or not there is even a correlation. Now a demonstrated correlation doesn’t bring us all the way towards showing causation, but it is a good start and usually demonstrates that further study is warranted.

For example, the union pacific letter/article you linked mentions UP saying they experienced an 180% increase in theft Dec2020 to Dec2021. However, Prop-47 passed in 2104 and AB109 in 2011. Both prop47 and AB-109 were in effect on Dec2020 and Dec2021 so Prop47 and AB109 cannot be explanations for this 180% increase. The incident of rail theft may be worthy of discussion by itself, but it is not an example which links prop47 or AB109 to any alleged increase in crime, or property crime in particular.

My point isn’t to dissuade you from discussing any of the articles you have linked as they are newsworthy. I am just trying to point out the evidence which is necessary to convince somebody who doesn’t already agree with you.

Another form of evidence can be comparing CA crime rates to national crime rates to show a relative difference after the respective change (i.e. prop47 in 2014 or AB109 in 2011). Comparing geographic regions is a little more difficult than chronological comparisons because there are different confounding factors but some of these confounding variables are accounted for if you are only comparing to other states within the US. More detailed analysis will consider crime rates by a particular category of crime to see if there is a trend for a particular category of crime.

When I look at crime rates over time for CA I don’t see a marked difference pre-2011 and post-2011 nor do I see a large difference pre-2014 to post-2014. There is a slight increase in crime rates in 2012 and 2015 but nothing dramatic and it is an increase which seems to follow a national trend which is following the same pattern.

To Do List January 16, 2022 at 6:44 PM

So instead of “broken windows” theory we should move to some mish mash of game theory and cost benefit analysis. I knew there must be some deep thought behind the increase in crime and fact I can’t even take my car to San Francisco and park it on the street.

Sam January 16, 2022 at 9:56 PM

Here we go with the number game. Everyone knows crime statistics are a false projection of actual crime. Between DAs not prosecuting and police not arresting depending on the direction of political wind. That said, crime is definitely down from the 90s. The fact remains, police have essentially been neutered and defanged by teary eyed leftists and immigration advocates. Throw in a couple corrupt DAs and you get whatever numbers they want to show.

Xennial January 16, 2022 at 10:57 PM

Sam: “Here we go with the number game. Everyone knows crime statistics are a false projection of actual crime.”

So conservatives are somehow incapable of tracking and creating reliable statistics on crime? Conservatives are incapable of using numbers? Neither liberals nor conservatives have a monopoly on skills like counting and statistics.
You personally don’t like the numbers therefor they must be false? If you don’t use numbers to count actual crime how do you measure actual crime? Gut feeling? Read it somewhere online? Whatever your friends tell you when you socialize? Tea leaves? Anecdotal confirmation bias?

I know crime statistics are not perfect but you can’t “know they are false” without having some other more reliable method of measuring actual crime.

Original G January 16, 2022 at 11:47 PM

Xennial, … Believe Prop 47 skews CA crime stats some. In CA it’s all but useless to file a Police report for a property crime so some people don’t bother.

An here in CA these days a criminal has to work extra hard to catch a Felony case.

As for Union Pacific seeing 180% increase in theft Dec 2020 to Dec 2021. Our world is neither perfect nor static.
Hmm, what are variables that could have caused that increase in train looting ? ? Perhaps word of mouth on the streets or criminals using social media bragging about their easy scores.

After Muammar Gaddafi was taken out Libya’s war fighting stockpiles were left unguarded and looted. Stockpile of Libya’s shoulder-held manpads for example was estimated to be in excess of 17,000. Best equipped terrorists in the world, that is until joe biden said “hold my i cream cone” and pulled out of Afghanistan.

2016
‘Rocket launchers and anti-aircraft guns freely for sale on Facebook…’
dailymail https://tinyurl.com/5yz9mxxv

If terrorists can use social media, am thinkin’ train looters can too.
Prop 47 amounts to a permission slip for property criminals.
What do they have to fear from the LAW ? ?

By early 2014, hand writing was on the wall, “they” knew AB-109 was causing overcrowding problems in all 58 CA counties.

August 2014
“But an analysis of jail data from the Board of State and Community Corrections found that incarceration in some counties have stopped or been eliminated for a variety of misdemeanors which include parole violations, drug use, DUI’s and in some cases, domestic violence and child abuse.” …

“In Los Angeles County, with a quarter of California’s jail population, male inmates are often released after serving as little as 10 percent of their sentences and female prisoners after 5 percent.

Contra Costa County went decades without releasing a single inmate early, but had to start doing so in 2013.

The change has largely been blamed on Governor Brown’s prison population reduction strategy, or realignment, to comply with federal orders to reduce the state’s severely bloated prison population by one-third.

In October 2011, realignment started shifting the responsibility of low-level offenders from state prison to county jails. But many county jails, which are designed to hold suspects awaiting court dates or convicted inmates serving short sentences period, weren’t ready to to handle the influx of new inmates.”
KPIX https://tinyurl.com/39hhrxzy
Piece includes a couple charts showing Jail housing capacity,
I’ve never seen.

Don’t rely on stats, to be an informed voter ya have to search for news. Don’t trust a single source story, search for more info.

An posting URLs here allows others, if they’re interested, to have a starting point to finding more facts.

Sam January 17, 2022 at 7:57 AM

@X
Here’s your logic:
Sure the numbers are fake, but it’s all we have to go on so I’m using them.

Do you even know how unbelievably dumb that sounds? This is not how adults think. This is what arrested development looks like. Get some help with your cognitive reasoning skills before you come at me.

Dr Jellyfinger January 14, 2022 at 7:19 PM

OK….. here’s how it’s going to be……

https://imgur.com/gallery/bOdXC2B

Badge1104 January 14, 2022 at 8:06 PM

This is for the benefit of my Democrat friends who spent four years reporting to me Trump’s poll numbers. They seem to delight in it.
Well, how-low-can-you-go-Joe Biden is at 34/% now, and headed further south.
Unfortunately the country is too.

Darwin January 14, 2022 at 8:16 PM

I think it’s 33%

Xennial January 14, 2022 at 10:43 PM

The Quinnipiac U. poll was at 33%, but the average polling is 42% for Joe Biden right now. If you want reliable data you don’t look at just one poll but instead look at many of them. fivethirtyeight ‘s composite numbers have Biden at 42% right now which is slightly above Trump’s composite polling of 39% at the same point 4 years ago.

If your point is most Democrats didn’t vote for Biden because they liked Biden, but instead voted for Biden because they thought he was better than Trump I’m not sure you will have anybody disagree.

Randy January 15, 2022 at 7:53 AM

Darwin… even 32% is too high

Cyn January 15, 2022 at 10:35 AM

@Xennial
It’s doubtful that anyone believed Biden was better…..it’s just that he wasn’t Trump.

rbadmedia January 15, 2022 at 10:36 AM

At least 33% of Dims can’t admit when they’re wrong, so these numbers won’t change much in the next couple years.

Glen223 January 16, 2022 at 8:03 AM

And Harris the ho’s rating is negative.

What do you expect from a mattress-back?

Exit 12A January 14, 2022 at 10:13 PM

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The accomplishments of the Biden administration, liberal, and left wing policies:

Open borders and more than two million attempts by illegals to cross the southern border.
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Government handouts and bailouts.
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Massive trade backlogs.
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Botched Afghanistan withdrawl.
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Government-forced mandates and infringements of civil rights.
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Extreme environmental policies.
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Cancelation of XL pipeline project and renewed dependence on OPEC oil.
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Inflation created by government over-spending and lack of planning.
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Overreach by OSHA thru an executive order (but over-ruled by SCOTUS).
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Increase of COVID cases despite Biden’s repeated pledges to ‘shut down the virus’.

Dangerous globalism.
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Demonization and defunding of law enforcement.
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Soft-on-crime lawlessness and victimization of law-abiding Americans.
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Taxes and regulations up the wazoo.
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Special emphasis on wokeism over reality.
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The promotion of racist and xenophobic policies disguised as “fairness” and “justice”.
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The lowering of educational standards specifically aimed at Afr. Americans and Latinos.
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The manipulation of Americans thru their collusion with mass media (Google, NY Times, Facebook, Twitter, Apple, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC, NBC, etc.).

Randy January 15, 2022 at 8:05 AM

Exit 12A – you pretty much nailed it on all counts… of course 2/3 of Cali residents won’t see it that way sadly… I’d only add Newsom has been a huge enabler to Biden / Harris …and just to remind everybody of the integrity of those two – Newsom started dating his best friends wife while married and Harris dated the mayor of SF Willie Brown while he was married in office. Of course 2/3 of Cali residents don’t want to hear that….

Xennial January 14, 2022 at 10:30 PM

I have kept hearing we can’t have civil debates anymore. Well, if there is any truth to the saying it might be in part because the Republican National Committee (RNC) has prohibited its members from participating in the presidential debates hosted by the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD).

Sam January 15, 2022 at 3:35 AM

You can’t reason with crazy people who deny reality.

Ricardoh January 15, 2022 at 10:14 AM

Why would you think they would take that position. PBS, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and once on Fox with Chris Wallace in charge. Every one a democrat. We even had democrat politicians giving the interviewers questions to ask the candidates. Republicans will debate but they want the rules changed to even the playing field.

rbadmedia January 15, 2022 at 10:38 AM

The debates for the past two elections have been a joke and mostly because of the so called ‘moderators’.

Cyn January 15, 2022 at 10:40 AM

Xennial, what you should have said is that the RNC has prohibited its members from participating in unfair, biased debates.

HappyPappy January 15, 2022 at 11:41 AM

Xennial my friend, I believe you have been gaslighted, and may be out of touch with reality.

To Do List January 15, 2022 at 12:48 PM

This dashes Bernie Sander’s hopes that he and members of BLM would have been the moderators in the next debates.

Xennial January 15, 2022 at 10:34 PM

Of course the RNC is going to back down and allow whomever is the Republican Presidential candidate to participate in debates for the 2024 election. The RNC is only grandstanding in order to allow Trump not to participate (if he is selected as the candidate) – and possibly obtain some form of concession that the RNC thinks will be more favorable for Republicans in the debate.

For those saying the Presidential debates are a joke or biased: What rule(s) should the moderator be following that they don’t have now? Seriously consider a consistent set of rules because the RNC and conservative propaganda machine are going to flip-flop all over the place blaming something new in 2024 as a new excuse for why conservative candidates don’t do as well in the debates. (Assuming a non-Trump candidate is selected and we actually have any debates).

Basically, Republicans don’t want a fair debate – they just want to be able to complain so they can whine about “MSM bias”. If they actually cared about debate rules there would be discussion about debate rules instead of just whining about supposed “unfairness.”

Anew January 16, 2022 at 7:57 AM

@Xennial. So, you think a board made up of entrenched Democrats and a couple of token anti-Trump RINOS will listen to reason?

https://bit.ly/3fITknr

The Wizard January 15, 2022 at 7:50 AM

CPD has one sided liberal moderators and it’s a sham.

HappyPappy January 16, 2022 at 12:28 PM

What is CPD, Wiz?

The Wizard January 15, 2022 at 8:11 AM

Is everybody out there enjoying the slow poison of the Biden administration ?

Xennial January 15, 2022 at 10:48 PM

I’m thankful in SO MANY WAYS! Consider the current situation in Ukraine. Trump proved he was utterly incapable of standing up to Putin. Putin could play him like a fiddle. Trump valued his personal ‘friendship’ with Putin more than the American people.
The situation in Ukraine is tense, and there is no guarantee of a good outcome – but if Trump were in charge right now it would be hopeless at best. Or at worst Trump would somehow manage to snatch complete disaster from the jaws of minor defeat. I.e. he would dissolve NATO or something.

Sam January 16, 2022 at 3:33 AM

Ok msm Xpress, now tell me about putins pipeline. You know the one that biden bent over backwards to lift sanctions for. Yes, the same one Trump had shut down. You got the whole thing purposely backwards but it’s okay, we see you.

Acting like Trump and russia is a thing is the same lie democrats have pushed for decades. Russia hoax was a lie. Anyone I don’t like, invoked the russia boogie man. poroshenko and Ukraine are the deep states honey hole. Why is poroshenkos assets seized in a treason investigation? What’s hunter biden’s connection? Is it any surprise they are ramping up the war chatter to cover the connections? Just another lying democrat.

Glen223 January 16, 2022 at 7:07 AM

Thankful? Dissolve NATO?

Hell, crazy Joe the pedo can’t even take shoes without the directions on the soles, and Harris the ho would just give Putin “happy endings.”

But at least there are no “mean tweets.”

Guess you don’t get out of momma’s basement much.

Sick of it January 16, 2022 at 8:12 AM

Well we really have a brain dead liberal in the house this week. Completely understand reading his crap why CA is such a mess.
Only a moron would think Biden was better there Trump when the evidence is right in there face.

The Fearless Spectator January 16, 2022 at 8:23 AM

The Biden Atlanta speech was truly awful. It was littered with inappropriate comparisons and vitriol.

If the goal of this speech was to alienate current supports, then it was a winner. If the goal was to give Americans confidence and hope then it was a complete failure. His writers should be fired immediately.

Dr Jellyfinger January 16, 2022 at 8:47 AM

@ Sick of it, it’s just part of the rotation.

Xennial January 16, 2022 at 3:58 PM

Dr Jellyfinger & Sick of it
I’ve been on before if for no other reason than to remind the conservative echo-chamber here that there are people who disagree. Then I get responses like Sick of it’s response and remember why I shouldn’t even bother. According to sick of it I am a moron because I disagree. What is gained by the name-calling? There is no point in even attempting to have a conversation if one side is at the maturity level of going straight to name calling sans-facts.
So Dr. Jellyfinger, if you ever wonder why you tend to get a “rotation” of liberals through Claycord and fail to retain a membership representative of the varied perspectives of the community at large – look no further than looking at the types of responses and general vitriol any liberal receives when they post on here.
Note: I’ll except Orginal G above who has so-far avoided resorting to name-calling and the like.

Cyn January 16, 2022 at 6:00 PM

@Xennial
Do you hear yourself? You’re accusing others of doing exactly what you’re doing…..name-calling and no facts. All your talk about Putin and not one single fact-based remark. Well, if nothing else, you’re certainly typical.

Sam January 16, 2022 at 6:16 PM

That’s because we entertained your type of crazy for decades and look where it got us. We are done pacifying the mental illness of uneducated leftists. If you can’t even be honest about biden 1. removing the sanctions Trump put on Russia and 2. biden letting putin continue the pipeline, then you deserve no respect. Nobody is playing democrat games anymore. Most of them know they are on the wrong side and don’t care. You haven’t quite figured it out yet so here you are rambling off nonsense.

Cautiously Informed January 16, 2022 at 6:34 PM

Xennial,
Biden standing up to Putin? Joe is all clueless superficial talk and zero action. Besides, look who he’s sending to negotiate- Wendy Sherman. She has a perfect record of abysmal failure. Check her past negotiations with Iran and North Korea, for a start.

Dr Jellyfinger January 16, 2022 at 8:49 PM

@ Xennial ….. you got it all wrong.
I figured you’re just here filling in for JWB while he haunts some other website or goes off on vacation to Cuba…… and name-calling?……did I call you a name? I’d usually remember doing that, but if you are mistaken and I didn’t call you a name don’t apologize…. I’ll get around to it…. there’s just so many to choose from….. pompous, obnoxious, cretin, bombastic, bloviating, pretzel brained, orally flatulent, knee jerk, half baked, crackpot, etc.
So….. pretty soon.

Glen223 January 16, 2022 at 10:52 PM

@xennial – keep crying. We expect you liberals to continue demonstrating your hypocrisy.

Whine about others doing the same thing you’re doing.

Save it, buttercup, and go back to your “safe space.”

Gittyup January 17, 2022 at 7:14 AM

Now guys, we know liberals are just “exploring” the “alternatives.”

Dr Jellyfinger January 17, 2022 at 9:56 AM

“Buttercup”? Geez!
Lighten up Glen….. you’ll scare him away.

Ricardoh January 15, 2022 at 8:57 AM

When you see something like the packages that were looted alongside the train tracks in Los Angeles you have to wonder are we in the end times? The railroad company said people were arrested but just let back out of jail to do the same thing over again. Then on the other hand no one is even cleaning up the mess.

Captain Bebops January 15, 2022 at 10:38 AM

Welcome to the fall of the USA which has been predicted every since the fall of the Soviet Union. It’s our turn but delayed somewhat by those quantitative easing things.

So will the US split up into several different countries like the former USSR? Is California going to be New Venezuela? Maybe it already is or getting there. The smart thing to do would be break the country up along the lines of the “Nine Nations of North America” so each country can focus on it’s own geographical uniqueness and problems. But politicians seldom do anything smart. 😉

Ricardoh January 15, 2022 at 10:07 AM

Recently a video of the Jan 6th horned intruder was posted with him on a loud speaker telling everyone, “This is a peaceful demonstration”. The poor blighter got four years in prison. He must be one of the White Supremacists Biden was talking about.
It came up on the Jan 6th committee that people were only being charged with illegal entry. That didn’t look good for the committee so this last week they started charging people with sedition. More proof our justice system has been corrupted. Commit a crime you are booked and released. Express your political opinion and get locked up.

Original G January 15, 2022 at 11:06 AM

If there are convictions look forward to sedition cases being heard by The Supreme Court.

HappyPappy January 15, 2022 at 11:18 AM

It’s dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.

Hanne Jeppesen January 15, 2022 at 3:08 PM

That was just on clip. Besides although some were for a peaceful demonstration, others were not, they broke windows, destroyed property, called for hanging Mike Pence, that certainly cannot under any circumstances be called peaceful

Ricardoh January 15, 2022 at 6:44 PM

Hanne There were some windows broken there was nothing of importance broken but the real problem is the peaceful demonstrators that are still locked up while those who invaded the White House or burned downed the cities are not. It depends upon your political beliefs if you end up in jail or not.

Chris January 15, 2022 at 12:22 PM

I’m beginning to believe the way the Biden administration is spending money on these 500M Covid tests he promises to send out on the 19th is just another great waste of money on our health care system. It seems like they are almost trying to bankrupt our health care system so the Democrats can take it over it and Nationalize it. By the time these test kits show up at your residence, the Omicron will be at a decline and not considered a “viral bluzzard” anymore like some media outlets are reporting. As far as I know, Omicron hasn’t put anyone on a ventilator or killed anyone, but don’t tell MSNBC.

Sam January 15, 2022 at 1:02 PM

They are trying to bankrupt every sector of our country and globalize not nationalize. Sorry you’re just figuring it out now.

Sick of it January 15, 2022 at 2:02 PM

And really what does the purpose of all these tests this late in the game going to do. This has just been one big money maker for those involved with no real results to show

Jeff (the other one) January 16, 2022 at 6:58 AM

@Sick of it, in part, I do think the promotion of testing (whether PCR or the unreliable home test) is more the slow administration feeling the need to manage, in part because when the groundhog peeked out of his hole, errrr, basement during the “campaign,” he was told to criticize the lack of activity of the effective predecessor, which he did, even coherently once or twice, so now he has to sound like he is doing something other than just throwing out edicts, and in part, there is a percentage of our population that actually do need to be informed, advised or flat out told what to do, by a governing power.

Anew January 15, 2022 at 1:46 PM

Excerpts from a National Review review of a Kamala Harris speech (she is in charge of curing Covid): “…I recently talked to a little girl, who wanted to build back better-er, to ensure that every classroom has a sneeze guard, every household has a quarantine cell, every mask has a microphone, and a small speaker so we can put an end to muffling.”

https://bit.ly/3I3ayYy

Anew January 16, 2022 at 7:51 AM

Correction: I meant to say “National Review parody of a Kamala Harris speech…“

https://bit.ly/3I3ayYy

Glen223 January 16, 2022 at 8:01 AM

Harris the ho was “in charge” of the immigration problem too….. and she ignored it because it wasn’t “fun”. She’s just looking for something to “do” that doesn’t require any action on her part to prop up her political aspirations.

Lord knows, she can’t even answer a basic question. Probably is under qualified to work at McDonald’s.

Original G January 16, 2022 at 12:47 AM

‘Fed-Ex proposes to install laser-based missile defense system on its cargo planes as a countermeasure against heat-seeking missiles’ …

“The delivery company applied for approval in October 2019 in order to use their aircrafts as a countermeasure against heat-seeking missiles called MANPADS”.
dailymail https://tinyurl.com/4af3aue7

nytemuvr January 16, 2022 at 2:30 AM

As I sit here reading this thread late Saturday night I get an image of this Tom Waits song while reading Xennial’s comments…..https://youtu.be/BPPtrqvHGEg

Jeff (the other one) January 16, 2022 at 6:43 AM

It is time for us to do what we have been doing. And that time is every day.

Ricardoh January 16, 2022 at 10:17 AM

And don’t forget it. (Smiling Face ) Well at least once a week.

Sam January 16, 2022 at 10:22 AM

I couldn’t agree more.

HappyPappy January 16, 2022 at 1:50 PM

Biden Urges States And Businesses To ‘Do The Right Thing’ And Keep Forcing Workers To Vaccinate Despite Supreme Court Ruling –
https://tinyurl.com/2p863dcd

The angry, demented, tyrant wasting space the Oval Office followed orders from his puppeteers and called on business owners and state lawmakers to ignore and circumvent federal law and continue to force workers to vaccine “to protect Americans’ health and economy.”
This sweeping assault on the First Amendment and medical freedom is illegally being waged by Democrats who fraudulently occupy the White House. It’s clearly another tactic in their sleazy campaign to create even greater division among voters and declare un-vaccinated American citizens the enemy and exiled as fugitives.

Original G January 16, 2022 at 2:35 PM

A few things 35-44 age group xennials, didn’t get to experience and might not be familiar with.
https://tinyurl.com/yckz2rnz

An now a few memes and political cartoons,
https://tinyurl.com/47bdw4fx
https://tinyurl.com/2p9xx7xz

https://tinyurl.com/4keejurz
https://tinyurl.com/79bt8rmw
https://tinyurl.com/yvajkmzm
https://tinyurl.com/5n82ttx3

Anew January 17, 2022 at 5:23 PM

@Original G. The cartoon that shows Biden playing checkers and Putin playing chess is sadly very REAL.

@Xennial. CNN is not a great information resource. For a more balanced view, try:

American Thinker
Breitbart
Daily Mail UK
Fox News
Gateway Pundit
Lucianne
Michael Savage
Real Clear Politics

Take for example, a writeup about entitled lefties: ‘Pelosi’s Top Pick For Chair of Transportation Committee Crashes Her Car Into Parked Vehicle, Walks Away’.

https://bit.ly/3fyIjEV

Sam January 16, 2022 at 3:07 PM

I wish you democrats would quit littering your masks all over town. I thought we banned plastic straws because they were polluting our environment. Now I see no less than three masks every time I look at the ground. So much for democrats caring about the environment. I’m pretty sure these things contribute to climate change one way or another.

Gittyup January 17, 2022 at 6:36 AM

Oh, but, democrats don’t believe they’re contributing to the problem. They believe they’re the solution. For example, just look how Biden has “unified” the country since he took office.

Sam January 17, 2022 at 7:50 AM

“climate change”

To be clear

Gittyup January 17, 2022 at 8:19 PM

“So much for democrats caring about the environment.”

Hanne Jeppesen January 17, 2022 at 10:59 PM

Sam, Is it possible that the masks you see could be dropped by a conservative, or someone without political conviction. As far as I can tell whenever I see a mask on the ground there is no note marking the political conviction of the person dropping it.

Dr Jellyfinger January 18, 2022 at 7:20 AM

Well….. I gotta go with Hanne on this one.
Last week when leaving the grocery store carrying two big bags of groceries, I suddenly sneezed and blew the mask right off my face.
I made quite the effort to to grab it, spilling half my groceries in the process but the point is I, a conservative, despite my best efforts, lost a mask to the wind and who knows where it may be by now?
Perhaps it has been spotted by someone who unfairly muttered “Damned Democrat Litterbugs”
Wow…. if they only knew.

Regarding Joe Biden unifying the country….. I think everyone is overlooking that Biden has in fact, unified most of us…
against Joe Biden!

Glen223 January 18, 2022 at 4:11 PM

The few times I’ve seen a mask dropped/thrown on the ground was when the person was returning to a car that had Clinton, Obama or Biden bumper stickers on it…. Safeway and Sams Club.

I’ve never seen one litter who was returning to a pickup withTrump stickers on it…. Same locations.

Remember who the liberals/democrats trashed the areas in which they were demonstrating? I’ll bet you didn’t see that after Trump rallies.

So much for the democrats wanting to “save the earth.”

My observations – YMMV…..

Kinda like never seeing a work boots store being vandalized.

Sam January 18, 2022 at 6:42 PM

All masks are democrat masks. Democrats own masks lock, stock, and barrel. It doesn’t matter if they came from a conservative, they are democrat masks. Besides, any self respecting conservative would never wear a mask and shop at businesses that support freedom.

Dr Jellyfinger January 18, 2022 at 9:02 PM

LoL! I found it in the bed of my truck!

The Fearless Spectator January 16, 2022 at 6:29 PM

Climate change is how the DNC launders money. Where would they be without climate change (Preferred term to Global Warming in case it goes the other way) and Covid. Gods gift to people who don’t believe in God……..

HappyPappy January 17, 2022 at 2:23 PM

“Emergencies have always been the pretext on which safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.”
F.A. Hayek

Original G January 16, 2022 at 10:06 PM

New Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin wasted no time.
A few of his executive orders.

“…restore excellence in education by ending the use of divisive concepts, including Critical Race Theory, in public education.”

“… empower Virginia parents in their children’s education and upbringing by allowing parents to make decisions on whether their child wears a mask in school.”

“… restore integrity and confidence in the Parole Board of the Commonwealth of Virginia.”

“… to withdraw from the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI).”

“… jumpstart our economy by cutting job-killing regulations by 25 percent.”

“… restore individual freedoms and personal privacy by rescinding the vaccine mandate for all state employees.”

NBC12 TV Richmond, VA https://tinyurl.com/mwtr9hst

You have probably already figured out Governor’s political party

Which of Youngkin’s actions do you think will happen here in CA ?

The Fearless Spectator January 17, 2022 at 9:42 AM

None.

Glenn has hinted on abortion restrictions without specifics. Look for Newsom to offer Virginians free abortions in California and probably use our money to pay for their flights.
Newsom will also refer to Youngkin as an anti-vaxer racist Trumper and a threat to democracy (whatever that is). Gotta keep the past alive so people don’t notice the present………

HappyPappy January 17, 2022 at 12:28 PM

America is incredibly fortunate that Manchin and Sinema stood their ground to stop the destruction of our electoral system.
What’s sad and shocking is that there are 48 democrat sacks of you-know-what who are willing to codify electoral fraud and destroy America’s two party system.
They are the elites who will dismantle our republic if given half a chance.
Remember them when you mark your ballot.

HappyPappy January 17, 2022 at 12:43 PM

Not enough is being discussed about “Gain of Function Research.”
Maybe because it’s also called BIOLOGICAL WEAPON DEVELOPMENT!
Can’t say that out loud, you’d be attacked by Dr Faucienstein and his minions.

Dr Jellyfinger January 17, 2022 at 10:50 PM

So……. Maxwell is finally going to spill the beans?

https://tinyurl.com/2nfjz4xb

AnimalLover January 19, 2022 at 7:57 AM

And the comments in the discussion section that follows are brilliant!
“With democrats in charge, only the innocent will be punished.”

HappyPappy January 18, 2022 at 10:54 AM

Look up CATL, the Chinese-owned, lithium-battery company whose value has skyrocketed since Biden took office.
There is a gold mine of lithium in Afghanistan!
The Biden’s allegedly own 10% of a Chinese lithium ion battery company, [Contemporary Amperex Technology Co., Limited (CATL)] whose stock has soared.
Taliban is set to make trillions selling their lithium to China and the Biden’s stand to make a couple bucks too.
Makes me wonder why The Big Guy was so quick to get us out of Afghanistan where hundreds lost their lives during the (well planed) “botched” pull-out.

jonnycomelately January 19, 2022 at 2:06 AM

In case everyone forgot,because they want you to.there are still 14.000 Americans and allies trapped in Afganistan.Bad orange man would have not stopped til they were all out,but Joe needs a nap and his ba ba
.Some website are still trying to say Joe has a rating in the 40’s and everytime they say that it’s still higher than Trump ever had.They had always put his way lower than what they really were,and when they said Joe was a %40 it was 30 or 25,and now they say %33,sadly,and even the slowly going silent liberal know that his rating now is n the 20’s or even the teens.
And the news everytime,will tell you the reason why his ratings are so low,ts all because of covid,and people like Rachel Maddow saying’I dont understand why the republicans wont pass the build back better bill so President Biden can save the economy”Delusional.Save the economy after you wreck it and then act like a hero?He wishes.
They will be losing their voter base in droves when the shots start to kick in,conveniently,around the middle of 2024.
At least no more mean tweets.No more nuthin……

jonnycomelately January 19, 2022 at 2:13 AM

PS
The same news that tells fiction overblaoted ratings for Joe and dismal for Trump are the same ones that say it’s “just his handling of the corona virus”
I love it when the liberals spout of with “face it,your man lost” its as if someone pulled the plug on their brain like when you drain a bathtub.Its empty.What would they do if Trump dropped out or died?They would continue to downward spiral into the ground with no imaginary scapegoat.Cnn will mention Trump 20 -40 time and hour,and not mention Biden once unless it an ad that repeated thru the day touting something he has been told to do and take credit.His advisors must be in high school btw.

Glen223 January 21, 2022 at 5:23 PM

Biden’s advisors in high school? You’re being generous.

And I think Harris’ advisors are nothing more than 647(b) arrestees. For those who can’t figure it out, look up the CA Penal Code.

To Do List January 19, 2022 at 10:07 AM

Biden has sidestepped and decided not to take a public stand on proposed legislation to stop insider stock trading by members of congress. Interesting that he seems to take a stand on everything else and demonizes any who disagree with him. On this issue in contrast, he says the congressional leadership should decide. Which is of course Pelosi, who has made tens of millions of dollars on insider stock trading. Long ago before the TV show 60 Minutes became propaganda, they ran a story on how Pelosi would literally walk out of closed door sessions on infrastructure and hop on the phone to buy the stock of the company who got the contract or have her husband invest in the effected real estate. If you or I did that, we would be prosecuted by the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Dr Jellyfinger January 19, 2022 at 2:22 PM

Biden’s press conference….. https://tinyurl.com/38h92ck7

Original G January 19, 2022 at 2:35 PM

” ‘I didn’t over-promise but I have probably outperformed’: Biden’s bizarre answer when asked about his failures during his first year in office as he blames Republicans …”
dailymail https://tinyurl.com/3sudrehb

Prediction, He’ll leave office after 25 months in office.

Political cartoonists see things with more clarity,
https://tinyurl.com/uxan5zrx
https://tinyurl.com/79bt8rmw
https://tinyurl.com/yvajkmzm
https://patriotpost.us/cartoons/30276
https://patriotpost.us/cartoons/30272
https://patriotpost.us/cartoons/30266

https://patriotpost.us/cartoons/30265
https://tinyurl.com/3kn3jfds
in contents click retirements

To Do List January 19, 2022 at 3:32 PM

Only saw part of Biden’s press conference. Lots of impressions, but one that really sticks is how he made a very big show of multiple times very dramatically lifting up his arm to look for a long time at his gold wristwatch and smirking and showing contempt for the process of reporters asking him questions. He has more important things to do than communicate to the American people, things like encouraging Russia to invade the Ukraine by clearly explaining the consequences and taking credit for the distribution of vaccines that still would not exist if not for Trump.

Dr Jellyfinger January 20, 2022 at 7:53 AM

The Biden Brand….
Biden crime family is safe beneath the wing of the Secret Service that covers up their illegal activities.

https://tinyurl.com/bdfjhexc

Cellophane January 20, 2022 at 9:21 AM

I watched Biden’s press conference yesterday for a few moments.

This poor old doddering fool should be sitting in a rocking chair sipping tea watching leaves fall and the grass grow.

Most of what he said did not ring true. Some of what he said was a lie.

Whoever is really running our Republic is killing our America.

It sure ain’t Joe.

What a horrible and terrifying place in time we live in today.

In my opinion, the fascists are working hard and fast because they know they have only a short time before Americans react.

Personally, I believe it’s time for Americans to react, strongly.

Dr Jellyfinger January 20, 2022 at 3:13 PM

You know there are arguments in Russia, China & Iran about this being the best opportunity they will ever have to accomplish their goals of military conquests without fearing retaliation from America.
Our leader is a corrupt, bumbling idiot who has no idea what he’s doing.
How long will they wait?………

Glen223 January 21, 2022 at 5:19 PM

The “Commander in Chief”?

Haw! He couldn’t pour water out of a glass even with the instructions written on the bottom of the glass.

HappyPappy January 21, 2022 at 12:01 PM

Hasn’t been much heard from our friends on the left lately. Maybe they finally understand……..took ’em long enough!

Glen223 January 21, 2022 at 5:17 PM

Nah – they just threw a tantrum and held their breath until they passed out.

Either that or they getting their stomachs pumped from eating Tide Pods.

Lucy K January 21, 2022 at 12:59 PM

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