The Water Cooler – Should Employees Have To Check COVID-19 Vaccine Cards Or Should The County Find Another Way?

October 27, 2021 12:00 pm · 60 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it.

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday in the noon hour.

QUESTION: Should employees of restaurants, who are sometimes only teenagers, be put into the position of having to check for COVID-19 vaccination cards before someone enters a restaurant, or should Contra Costa County find another way that doesn’t possibly put the restaurants’ employees into harms way?

Talk about it….

Anon October 27, 2021 at 12:07 PM

How about the county Stop discriminating against pure bloods.
Natural Immunity…..say it!!!

Justifiable languor October 27, 2021 at 1:22 PM

Natural immunity is the best line of defense. Hydroxychloroquin and Ivermectin is next in best.

Doh October 27, 2021 at 2:05 PM

Take a micro-biology science class. Stop listening to pundits without a doctorate degree, Natural immunity might work AFTER you have been infected. It may not work against the variants that will come it COVID-19 stays around long enough.

Hydroxychloroquin and Ivermectin (horse dewormer) are useless and did not come from the medical industry. I have no idea where that recommendation came from.

Anon October 27, 2021 at 3:01 PM

I agree, Bill Gates is neither a scientist, nor is he a Doctor.
He should stop practicing medicine without a license.

Funny thing about Ivermectin…..the guy who invented it won a Noble prize. It is also used for humans, you should really quit listening to the Cowards at CNN.

Janus October 27, 2021 at 6:11 PM

Doh

Penicillin and it’s derivatives are commonly given to animals does that make it just a horse antibiotic?

Cisplatin, vincristine, doxorubicin and cyclophosphamide are given to animals. Does that make these just a horse cancer drugs?

Insulin is given to animals does that make it just a horse diabetes drug?

Diazepam is given to animals does that make it just a horse anti-seizure drug?

Ivermectin was designed for humans to treat parasitic infections. It won the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for HUMANS.

Ivermectin is on the World Health Organization’s List of Essential Medicines and is the 402nd most prescribed drug for humans in the United States with more that 100,000 prescriptions.

Ivermectin has proved to be even more of a ‘Wonder drug’ in human health, improving the nutrition, general health and wellbeing of billions of people worldwide ever since it was first used to treat Onchocerciasis in humans in 1988. Over 200 Million humans world wide take Ivermectin annually or simi-annually.

But yeah Don Lemon Jr. it’s just a horse de-wormer for those backward 3rd world countries.

Googlar October 28, 2021 at 8:36 PM

Ivermectin did wonders in India, effectively ending the “pandemic”. https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/indias-ivermectin-blackout

Ivermectin is not a “horse” “dewormer”. Ivermectin has been prescribed for humans. Ivermectin is effective against Scabies and Bed Bugs, as well as internal parasites. And it is prescribed to humans. So your claim that it is for “horses” just goes to show you get your scientific knowledge from CNN talking points.

Lastly how can you claim that Ivermectin did not come from the medical industry when the contrary fact is evident by use of logic or basic web search?

Phil October 27, 2021 at 12:13 PM

Everybody who is unvaccinated must wear a bright yellow “U” pinned to their clothing. Nothing ever went bad when people were forced to wear symbols denoting who they are.

Ricardoh October 27, 2021 at 12:17 PM

Restaurants employees are not trained to check medical cards. Let the county hire and train people to do the job. While In n Out was closed, yesterday I went into two restaurants in Walnut Creek and no one asked me for a card. No one was at the door. They can barely get employees.

Sancho Panza October 27, 2021 at 12:39 PM

These draconian mandates should be enforced by all those Contra Costa County Contact Tracers that are sitting, idling, due to the low case rate in our County.

Deb Shay October 27, 2021 at 10:23 PM

Amen!

Dawg October 27, 2021 at 12:39 PM

In-N-Out said it right when they announced they “are not the vaccination police for any government.” If a public health agency, or any other government agency want to check “your papers,” at any private business, they should provide the trained personnel to do the job.
It’s too dangerous for a private business to perform the task. Employees at some businesses have been attacked, and even shot, for asking customers to wear a mask.
It’s not about keeping the public safe from COVID, it’s all about making it more and more difficult to run a business, especially when Lynsi Snyder, the owner of In-N-Out, has donated a lot of money to the GOP.
People that frequent fast food joints cannot be too concerned about their health anyway, if they were, they wouldn’t be eating fast food. Heavily processed food has never been safe to eat. It’s handled by too many people and too many machines before it reaches the restaurant. Now they are finding toxic chemicals in fast food from the use of disposable gloves, and rubber conveyor belts.

Dee October 27, 2021 at 12:39 PM

Absolutely NOT! The County wants this stuff checked then THEY can place a COUNTY employee at that place of business to do the checking, Actually if’s an invasion of privacy as far as I’m concerned They have mask thing in place what he hell more do they want? I see this as nothing more than harassment of this business and will and do support them all the way. In fact it beats McDonalds for one all the way as far as I’m concerned

Will October 27, 2021 at 12:42 PM

The correct answer is for CoCoCo “health” to do away with the idiotic vaxx card mandate. Just like most of the rest of the country currently functions. Problem solved.

It’s never been about a virus, folks.

Randy October 27, 2021 at 12:50 PM

no – restaurants, etc should not be vax police… the county / state needs to do something else… maybe they should provide the manpower to police it?

Jeff (the other one) October 27, 2021 at 12:52 PM

This whole thing is absurd. If a business desires to require its customers to have a vaccine against a virus, or not have heart disease, that is up to them (notwithstanding some of the more absurd ADA requirements that seem invasive upon industry within California). It should not be, at any point, up to the state, or federal government, to require somebody be injected with a medicine prior to utilizing the private business’ services. Putting the burden of such privacy violations on the shoulders of teenage workers who are trying to build up work skills is a step beyond. The county should perhaps focus on issues in the area, such as crime and drug abuse.

Gary Benton October 27, 2021 at 12:58 PM

Restaurants that do not normally have a hostess or someone at the door should not have to hire extra staff to perform a vaccination step at the door. If requested, the county should supply a person to do the vaccination check.

parent October 27, 2021 at 1:15 PM

‘ME’ and ‘Greg’ will be here shorlty to say “YES!!!!!” … but no, it is absurd to make a business check a vaccination record. Stupid, dumb, idiotic … but then again it is the CooCoo County Nazi Department making the rules.

Sick of it October 27, 2021 at 1:54 PM

Especially now that they have pushed for minimum wage to be $15.00 per hour. Restaurants cannot afford it. They have set it all up to fail.

Anew October 27, 2021 at 1:23 PM

Perhaps Contra Costa County’s public health officials could explain why Florida and other states doing just fine without deploying fascist tactics?

From the DailyMail: ‘Florida ended up with one of the best COVID-19 case rates despite Gov Ron DeSantis refusing to implement vaccine mandates.’ https://bit.ly/3EoqDpScd

JWB October 27, 2021 at 2:37 PM

here are the numbers according to worldometers.com

Total cases / 1M pop
CA 120,907
FL 171,525

Deaths / 1M pop
CA 1,818
FL 2,744

Ranking in total cases / pop
CA 41
FL 7

Ranking in deaths / pop
CA 35
FL 9

I guess you just need to ignore the numbers …….

Deb Shay October 27, 2021 at 10:28 PM

Arguing about numbers is mindless. With a 99% overall recovery
rate, it’s splitting hairs. Its all a power-grabbing, woke-a$$ joke.

Anon October 28, 2021 at 4:28 PM

JWB,
What happened to the FLU in your stats?
Funny business claiming that the FLU did a Disappearing act in all of 2020.

BTW, FLU deaths of those 65 and Older have never been tracked. So anyone can see the fuzzy math with the China virus SCAM.

JWB October 28, 2021 at 5:12 PM

Anon why would that be relevant? I’m sure you can track down flu statistics but the claim here was that Florida “ended up with one of the best COVID-19 rates”.

Maybe you’re trying to suggest that COVID-19 cases are the same as FLU cases? That only shows that you have no clue how these tests work. Influenza is a virus from a different family and not a member of the coronavirus family, none of the test (PCR, antigen or antibody) gives a positive signal for a influenza infection. That’s why your question is simply not relevant.

JWB October 28, 2021 at 5:19 PM

@ Deb Shay

BTW the death rate in FL per 1M population according to worldometers.com today is at 2,770 or as an absolute number 59,495. I’m sure they relatives of these dead Floridians would be interested to hear more about your 99% recovery rate?

WC October 27, 2021 at 1:25 PM

No. This is taking without compensation. Read a Constitution county boneheads.

RDS October 27, 2021 at 1:25 PM

With any luck, In-N-Out’s lawyers are putting the finishing touches on a lawsuit.

Ivan Mectin October 27, 2021 at 1:27 PM

Contra Costa Environmental Health suspended In-n-Out’s commercial food permit, according to their statement, “for creating a public health hazard by repeatedly violating a county health order intended to reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission”

In what world is CCEH living that it thinks the shot(s) materially reduce covid transmissions? It very clearly does not. In fact, the new Delta Plus variant specifically evades the vaccine-induced antibodies (see Monday’s article in Nature). The disconnect between CCEH’s statement and real science/data is beyond bizarre.

Deb Shay October 27, 2021 at 10:30 PM

It’s beyond obvious that CCEH has proven it’s not about any science except politics,.

Bella October 27, 2021 at 1:31 PM

Leaders and Managers play an extremely important role during crisis. Yes, COVID has been a health crisis and is exactly why the County has taken the steps it has.

Secondly, Managers should have full control of the employees and encourage full communication in the workplace. Once the County set forth the Mandate, it was then up to the Businesses to set forth how they will get it done, but it was required they do it. Contra Costa does not need to find another way, they have done their job, to help eradicate this virus and save lives. Now the Businesses and their leaders should to theirs, have that 5 minute huddle before opening or their shift with their team/crew, whether that’s appointing one or two individuals per shift with along with their duties to check, and how the Shift Manager will get it.
Following the rules set forth. It is up to the Leaders of the Businesses that are open to service the public once this mandate was given to try their level best to prevent more virus spread as the vaccination rate continues to climb and deaths and hospitalizations lower in our County. If one doesn’t want that, then one doesn’t want what is good for people in a time of Health Crisis.

Don’t let negativity creep in the organization. Motivate the employees to believe in themselves, no matter their age and the organization. It is essential to trust each other during such situations. Unfortunately, like some have posted some are not asking, I’ve walked in to one and when they didn’t ask, I mentioned it and left. I expected them to follow the rules put forth by the County for my protection as a Citizen of Contra Costa County and the State of California.

Lastly, Leaders have to strive to come out of hard times as soon as possible, that is the role of a leader. Whether you own a huge Corporation or a small business.

TroyDHezz October 27, 2021 at 1:36 PM

Absolutely NOT! This scares me. I don’t think anyone should have to.

Old Timer October 27, 2021 at 1:54 PM

If I were the owner of a business I would check to see if people were vaccinated.As a patron I appreciate it being done.Sounds like a lot of people don’t care about the health of others.If they don’t want to get the shots that’s fine just stay at home don’t endanger me.

parent October 27, 2021 at 2:05 PM

Old Timer, I care about people … and their health. But you dont get to others how they must live in order to keep you safe. If you feel unsafe going out, you stay home. You order online and have it delivere. You walk around in a mask. This is what high risk people (numerous respiratory disease ridden people) have been doing for years. But no, you want everyone else to change, because you are unwiling to take actions for yourself. You expect others to take care of you …

Yeah, I am vaccinated, by my own choice. But I expect others to be given the same right to choose.

PESFG October 27, 2021 at 8:03 PM

@OldTimer. You said: “… don’t endanger me.” So, the rise in crime caused by being too lenient with criminals isn’t dangerous? Making sure to enforce these rules and punishing restaurants shouldn’t be a top priority for local government, they should be taking care of curving criminal activity, criminal activity that endanger us all.
These vaccine mandate decisions are being made arbitrarily.

cheeseburguesa October 27, 2021 at 2:01 PM

It would be great if Contra Costa could find another way, but based on how they have treated businesses, especially restaurants, in the last year and some, they don’t care. I’m a restaurant manager in a “nicer” area. Food costs are through the roof and menu prices have had to increase to help compensate. Having to police mask wearing is rough, having to check vax cards has made things worse. Customers lashing out at my employees or me is a daily occurrence. While most of them recognize that it’s the county putting us in this spot, these are the same customers who either show their card or pull it up on their phone but are more than happy to shoot the messenger and desecrate the corpse to make themselves heard. Most of them don’t wear masks anymore either.

Cranky Taco October 27, 2021 at 3:10 PM

If we don’t stand up now, small business in California will cease to exist. We have all been just holding on, and for what? COVID is never going away. But we can learn to live with it, without being so paranoid. I hate to tell you but we are all going to go someday, but go ahead and stay home…..

SmileWC October 27, 2021 at 2:10 PM

Selling alcohol to a minor is illegal. Selling a burger to a person who hasn’t taken a Covid vaccination isn’t. Do you think it should be?

Old-school guy October 27, 2021 at 2:33 PM

Bartenders ask for ID before serving alcohol. Same concept.

Bob October 27, 2021 at 5:13 PM

How does proof of age comparing to medical info?

Open Up October 27, 2021 at 2:33 PM

Actually the question should be whether or not we get rid of the gold star…er I mean vax passport. But I get it since the ‘vid loves to hang out in restaurants apparently.

chuckie the troll October 28, 2021 at 8:55 AM

The Mark of the Beast, coming to a restaurant near you.

reekorizzo October 27, 2021 at 2:38 PM

The real question is “Should the government stop using these BS lies to control us?”…….and the overwhelming response is “YES”

LET’S GO BRANDON!!!!!

Alan October 27, 2021 at 2:58 PM

Companies, especially large ones like InNOut should be required to abide by these responsible, rational, science-backed health directives.

In this case, if they want to provide inside dining and they are worried about their employees, they should hire private security and raise prices slightly if necessary.

Corporations have priveleges and responsibilities that come with doing business in the communities from which they operate.

JWB October 27, 2021 at 3:34 PM

Bu then again nobody is asking a business to check vaccination status for selling a burger. Do you think they should?

DB October 27, 2021 at 3:42 PM

The County should drop the proof of vaccine mandate, PERIOD. It is medical segregation, not to mention completely pointless since vaccinated people can still get and spread COVID.

Aunt Barbara October 27, 2021 at 4:31 PM

Our rights and freedom and free will have been stolen by the Government and Greasy Gavin. We are no longer able to make our own decisions on our bodies and health. We are forced to inject poisons in our bodies and shut out of having any pleasures in our life if we do not obey these clowns demands.
IRS send phony statements telling people they owe extra dollars in the thousands. It is a total California scam to get money from stupid people who just send it in like sheep, just like getting the vaccine, believing it is safe and running to get boosters..
Keep dying your hair like smurfs, rolling up your sleeve and believing the crackheads in Government who don’t give a damn about you!

graceful October 27, 2021 at 4:45 PM

I think a government issued tattoo or arm band would be quicker than a small piece of paper, don’t you? Specially since everyone is into tats now.

sideline October 27, 2021 at 4:49 PM

There needs to be another way.
It is a burden for a business/employee to do this job.
People are having issues wearing a mask already, showing proof of the vaccine is certainly not helping.

People/customers are extremely nasty about this issue and are taking it out on workers that are trying to do the county’s job. I have seen awful verbal abuse about this issue between business and customer. This is just not ok and makes me wonder, how long a worker will take this sort of abuse before they quit.
Not fun for the business, the employee and other patrons.

Dorothy October 27, 2021 at 4:52 PM

I went to a restaurant that had a notice on each table to please show vaccination card to wait person before ordering. We were okay with that but it occurred to me that the wait person should wear their own vac card with their name tag.

There is also the fact that some of those cards have been found to be fake and how is an untrained employee to know?

Cellophane October 27, 2021 at 4:57 PM

The County, from the sups to the over paid under qualified employees can all go the devil.

All the sups need to resign in shame for their disgraceful, tyrannical, and traitorous actions.

We need people who represent us, not their “special friends”, wealthy supporters and the criminal element that feeds them money under that table.

To Do List October 27, 2021 at 6:21 PM

I was in central California this week, and no one cared about any vaccination cards in any of the restaurants we went to. No restaurants were shut down for disobeying. And I think it is unreasonable to have government bureaucrats force food workers to look at medical records. If these bureaucrats want this, then they or their employees should stand in front of restaurants and do it. If that happened, I think it will dawn on people how authoritarian this is.

The Fearless Spectator October 27, 2021 at 8:05 PM

How about collecting the non-incarcerated people who filed fraudulent unemployment claims and give them the opportunity to work off their debt by being Covid restaurant checkers. Oh wait, those are loyal Gavin voters.

OK, round up all the local homeless and pay them to be Covid restaurant checkers. Oh wait, they are harvested ballot voters for Gavin.

OK, hire all the felons NOT prosecuted by Becton, and pay them to be Covid restaurant checkers. Oh wait, they are loyal Gavin voters.

OK, how about hiring Wokers to be restaurant Coviid checkers. Oh wait, they don’t believe in work and they are loyal Gavin voters.

Wow, this is quite the conundrum. OK, hire ambitious, responsible students to be Covid restaurant checkers. Oh wait, they would never vote for Newsom.

Greg October 29, 2021 at 12:51 PM

@Fearless: The GOP base is *not* the one that creates the economy for both CA and the nation at large to function.

Old Timer October 27, 2021 at 10:21 PM

Old School Guy well said I agree.

chuckie the troll October 28, 2021 at 8:53 AM

Should landlords or banks, much less stores and employers, be required to verify that someone is a legal resident? Or are some laws more equal than others?

Trolling the Chuckie October 28, 2021 at 9:49 AM

Whats to keep me from showing a fake vax card? How is anyone going to know if its legit or not?

CCEH picked on In & Out (imo) because of their political stance. If the other fast foods companies donated to the GOP they’d be targeted too.

This has never been about the science, but about the politics.

caskydiver October 28, 2021 at 9:27 PM

No! Its all a bunch of BS.

Derrick October 29, 2021 at 12:29 PM

Or the county can drop the mandates and dictatorship!! That’s a start!! Pointless, and nothing to do with science, just power control!!

Killjoy October 29, 2021 at 3:25 PM

I guess nobody ever considered how any Holocaust survivors or their descendants feel about having to show their papers.

JWB October 29, 2021 at 4:48 PM

Do you mean when:

Buying alcohol?
Register to vote?
In some states voting?
Being pulled over by a traffic cop?
Getting on a airplane?
Crossing the border?
Picking up registered mail at the post office?
Seeing a healthcare provider?
Applying for a bank account?
Applying for a credit card?
Signing your mortgage papers at notary’s office?

Mommyto12 October 29, 2021 at 5:28 PM

No. Nobody should have to show vaccine card to do normal activities. My card is in my safe. I will not carry it (I almost destroyed it).
That’s just too much government control for my taste.
Just wait until one day they tell y’all to get this handy dandy chip put in your hand (or forhead) that will eliminate Identity theft, the need to carry ID, cash, or credit cards and will be the only thing acceptable for ID and purchases.

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