The Water Cooler – Gender And California Prisons – Who Should Decide?

August 2, 2021 12:57 pm · 34 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it.

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon.

Today’s question:

QUESTION: Do you think California prison inmates should be assigned to a prison based on the gender they say they identify with, or should it be up to the state to decide based on the inmate’s gender at birth?

Talk about it….

Same August 2, 2021 at 12:07 PM

Prison gender is assigned by the burliest inmate.

Hill August 2, 2021 at 12:08 PM

I don’t think it’s that simple and should be done case by case. Lots of factors. What do we do with gay men that are flamboyant?

Ricardoh August 2, 2021 at 1:13 PM

I had a job in a prison for a couple of days. I was working in a room with about fifty inmates. After noticing some of the inmates I asked the crew I had for protection why does this prison have both sexes. The answer was it doesn’t. So much for flamboyant. Fooled the hell out of me.

Ricardoh August 2, 2021 at 1:07 PM

If you have a penis you go to the man’s joint. If you don’t have a penis you go to the women’s joint. Simple common sense works every time. Wokeness will lead us down the daisy path. If you don’t want your grandchildren to live in one horrible world you had better fight it.

Bob Kazamakis August 2, 2021 at 6:27 PM

So if a man was castrated, then he goes to the woman’s prison?
What if a woman gets a penis transplanted from a deceased male donor?
Personally I would say to go by what’s on the birth certificate, but we should always be watchful for edge-cases.

Dr. Jellyfinger August 2, 2021 at 7:17 PM

@ BK ~ Good luck trying to raise the dead.

nytemuvr August 2, 2021 at 8:24 PM

@Bob Kazamakis..…I think I saw that movie, it was called “Deadwood”.

Ricardoh August 3, 2021 at 10:26 AM

Can someone explain to Bob what castration is?

Sick of it August 2, 2021 at 1:09 PM

They should be judge by what’s in there pants. There are only two genders and anyone with a brain can tell the difference with one look.

RANDOM TASK August 2, 2021 at 1:18 PM

wait gay men are in prison what
but they are not racist or bias or broke or mean or attracted to children

anyways

why stop there
why not ask them if they are guilty
and should they be free as well

heck why not ask them if they want money and a car and a free hotel room for life ….

shoot why not bring them victims as well

oh and video and air it on tv

wow being a demorat is so cool nothing is beyond sanction
think of something and say it and make it happen

ALF August 2, 2021 at 1:30 PM

Slow day Mayor?

Jeff (the other one) August 2, 2021 at 1:31 PM

Up to the state to decide gender? The state (has doctors/nurses) records the gender, they do not decide the gender. The State should not have the power to “decide” a gender. What they identify as? How about if they are a male (XY chromosomes) go to male prisons and female (XX chromosomes) go to the female prisons (follow the science, isn’t that the favorite phrase as of late?).

Original G August 2, 2021 at 1:47 PM

Nope !

An just when you thought, DEMs couldn’t get any stranger.

Additional to yesterdays post over in politics.
Reportedly in a California prison housing roughly 1,800 only women inmates a CA state law SB 132, signed into law September 2020 by newsom, has increased inmate population by at least four additional inmates, who at birth were, not female.

Bill SB 132 was written to “protect” approximately ONE PERCENT
of CA’s prison population. Not a mistype, 1%.

“Since the law went into effect in January, 255 California men have requested to transfer into a female institution, all claiming to be women – and the CDCR has not denied a single housing request, approving the 21 requests that they have so far processed.” …

“This law, originally adopted by California State Senator Scott Weiner, requires not only that the Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) ask each prisoner entering into custody of their gender identity, but it also requires the Department to house the prisoner “at a correctional facility designated for men or women based on the individual’s preference.” Furthermore, they may not deny a request for the different housing based on the prisoner’s anatomy (including genitalia) – meaning that a prisoner who is biologically male can be moved into a women’s-only prison.” …
https://tinyurl.com/5axp4fhx

note, CA state senator glazer voted for SB132 on 08/31/20.

Article written by inmate at California Institution for Women, Corona. Expect bluntness, well worth a read.
santa monica observer https://tinyurl.com/4n3nfpu7

Additional articles by inmate,
https://www.smobserved.com/author/amber_s._jackson

Reported one pregnancy thus far.
What is concerning about this law is possible increase in incarceration costs due from cases of AIDS and other transmitted diseases in CA’s female inmate population.

OR bill another exercise to ensure continuation of votes for DEMs ? ? ? ?

theunforgiven August 2, 2021 at 1:50 PM

you lose your rights when you go to prison and for good reason its a good deterrent to not do things that end you up in prison… You want your rights? Then don’t break the law….

Bob Kazamakis August 2, 2021 at 6:29 PM

People in prison still have rights.

Mika August 2, 2021 at 1:51 PM

That could be very dangerous for the prisoner.

Bdpirate August 2, 2021 at 2:11 PM

Let the inmate identify their preference and the other inmates will make sure if they are TG they will make their lives miserable in prison.
I’m happy to see the TG man to woman weightlifter didn’t win a medal as well.

Googlar August 2, 2021 at 2:15 PM

Multiple stories of dudes that say they are women raping women inmates. Why is this even a question? It is the penal system not the protect hurt feeling system.

PS: 41% of transgender prisoners are sex offenders, often for raping children.

PPS: What if they don’t identify as criminals? Should they be released?

Dr. Jellyfinger August 2, 2021 at 6:08 PM

Maybe we should call it the “Penile” system?

Concord74 August 2, 2021 at 2:23 PM

The prisons, jails, etc. must go by what is officially documented on a birth certificate!! This trans crap is idiotic!
The taxpayer’s fund will be used to fund medical needs when AIDS HIV, Hep-C and HEP-A breakout! Politicians like Ting, Weiner, and Hsieh need to be removed! Bonta should be recalled.

chuckie the troll August 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM

It all depends on the angle of the dangle!

Seriously, prison should be assigned on what everyone else perceives as your gender.

anon August 2, 2021 at 3:22 PM

They’re screwed no matter where they are assigned.

PO'd August 2, 2021 at 4:11 PM

There are 2 sexes and they are determined by DNA, not with how someone “feels” like being. An absolutely absurd notion that you can change your sex.

Dawg August 2, 2021 at 10:07 PM

Chromosomes determine the sex of a baby at birth.

ChuckStir August 2, 2021 at 5:23 PM

Your DNA should determine that.

just me August 2, 2021 at 5:50 PM

Why are they doing this now? There have been men with tits in men’s prisons for years.

They are already allowing men (people with a penis) in women’s prisons. But I have not heard of putting women (people with a vagina) in men’s prison.

I say that is not fair or equitable. It should not be on a case-by-case basis; it should be the same across the board.

They are putting men in the same cell as women.

If a female identifies as a male, put her in men’s prison. See how well that will turn out.

It should be based on science, meaning biological SEX and physical anatomy, not on feelings.

Why are they feeding into delusions? When you tell a doctor that you think you are superman, the doctor disagrees with you; they don’t feed into the delusion.

Wake the hell up. There is an agenda behind transgender indoctrination and grooming that begins at school. After cross-sex hormones are taken, even without surgery, that person is unable to reproduce. It is the same reason behind the pro-abortion push by planned parenthood—population control. Look into the history of planned parenthood and its founder, Eugenicist Margaret Sanger.

Look into the doctor that first did sex-change operations; he was a pedophile. The bills that Weiner wrote and Newsom signed into law are baby steps to convince the public that pedophilia is okay. As it is, a 24-year-old can have sex with your 14-year-old and will not have to register as a sex offender if your child consents. (This does not make sense because a 14-year-old is not old enough to consent to anything.) The rationale behind this is that sex offender registration laws were disproportionately targeting the LGBTQ community……
Just like the law states the police cannot arrest streetwalking prostitutes because black transgender men were being arrested disproportionately.

ClayDen August 2, 2021 at 6:01 PM

The AMA (American Medical Association) wants to remove sex from the birth certificate now: https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/02/american-medical-association-pushes-to-remove-sex-from-birth-certificates/?utm_campaign=ACTENGAGE

The Fearless Spectator August 2, 2021 at 6:15 PM

Make it simple with one question: Do you like show tunes?

Anonymous August 2, 2021 at 7:01 PM

If you have a d***, you can’t bunk with the chicks.

GM August 2, 2021 at 8:23 PM

You mean sex not gender. Sex is our biology (male or female), gender is about social stereotypes. Prison inmates should be housed by sex, rather than allowing male rapists to self-ID into women’s prisons.

PO'd August 3, 2021 at 7:47 AM

Sex and gender are synonymous.Gender refers to your sex and vice versa. It has nothing to do with stereotypes.
Don’t fall for the rhetoric.

Rusty141 August 3, 2021 at 5:29 AM

its not up to guards, people that run prisons, or doctors or even politicians on who goes where. its up to the inmates. if you are openly gay or trans, you are automatically put in protective custody. if you try to be on the yard or walk the main line…well you probably wont live till the end of the week.so maybe people shouldnt worry about feeling but should worry more about living..

Happy Squash August 3, 2021 at 10:01 AM

This is the kind of stuff that makes me less of a liberal, because it is craziness. In the past year, there are 7 women who identical male and have asked to be transferred to the men’s prison based on their self-proclaimed gender identity. How many men who self-identify as women have requested? 30 have been transferred already and 300 more are waiting for their requests to be heard. Of the 30 that are now housed with women, some are in prison for rape and assault of females including children. A female inmate has already been assaulted by one of these violent men.
See the website for Women’s Liberation Front for more info, they are trying to raise awareness about this issue. This crap has gone way too far. I respect the rights of adults to live their life and be treated fairly. But make no mistake: transgender rights have mostly morphed into the new men’s rights movement: the right to dominate women in sports, the right to be housed with women in a prison despite having a history of violence against women. Women’s rights to safety and fair play are being absolutely eroded.
Look up what just happened at Wi Spa in Los Angeles.

Vindex August 3, 2021 at 4:57 PM

Read your history. Christian William Wilberforce, in his attempt to reform England, reform the prisons by separating genders. Women that have been put in prison with men would be brutally raped including if they were pregnant. In an act of kindness towards women, establish separate presents for women and men. If our society decided to take a step back to all gender prisons, those that promote this, will have the rapes of all the women they’re on their heads.

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