Bay Area Health Officials Issue Orders Requiring Use Of Face Coverings Indoors

August 2, 2021 12:15 pm · 108 comments

Eight Bay Area health officers have issued health orders requiring masks indoors in public places due to COVID-19.

The orders require all individuals, regardless of vaccination status, to wear face coverings when indoors in public settings, with limited exceptions, starting at 12:01 a.m. on Tuesday, August 3.

The new Health Orders require wearing a well-fitting mask indoors in public settings.

Ricardoh August 2, 2021 at 12:18 PM

This is government overreach. They are just going to keep this up.

Wally August 2, 2021 at 1:32 PM

What good are coffee filter masks if the virus particles can pass through them so easily? Who will protect the unvaccinated from the vaccinated carriers of COVID?

We need a better standard. What about the following:

N95 masks available for everyone in enclosed spaces. Exposure to COVID is dependent on viral load, concentration of aerosols and time around an exposed person. Protect others as well as yourself.

Strongly encourage people to be proactive, take Vitamin C and D3.

More testing on prophylactic treatments such as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloraquine that do not use flawed scientific methodologies.

Dawg August 2, 2021 at 12:21 PM

To keep the cooties at bay
The mask is here to stay.

Googlar August 2, 2021 at 12:24 PM

These orders are illegal. There are no orders in a democratic society. Laws are voted upon, orders are authoritarian in nature.

I’m going to pretend I don’t know about any orders.

annoyed August 2, 2021 at 12:29 PM

Stupid. Thanks to the un-vaccinated people for spreading the covids, It’d be nice if you all could just have a few covid parties and catch it so this stuff and make yourself some antibodies and it stops spreading around. That way maybe the idiots in charge can stop making sensible people wear masks too.

parent August 2, 2021 at 12:56 PM

But wait .. the fools in office now are saying that vaccinated people can spread it .. so … is it really the unvaccinated?

GET REAL!

The stupid is the fear mongers and health dictators, and those that believe those two groups.

MovingOutOfCA August 2, 2021 at 1:07 PM

There are millions who got COVID 19 and have the antibodies. So what is your point? The vaccine isn’t working on the variant and vaccinated people are spreading this too. Stop blaming people for a “virus” that will continue to mutate just like the Flu virus mutates. All the Flu vaccines have never stopped the The Flu virus either.

Snappy97 August 2, 2021 at 1:17 PM

The unvaccinated are not the ones spreading it. I’m not shedding it out of my pours

Chuq August 2, 2021 at 1:20 PM

Vaccinated people can catch it but they are very rarely hospitalized. If all those vaccine haters would stop taking up hospital beds maybe there wouldn’t be a need but for some reason when their symptoms get bad enough and they need more oxygen they head to hospitals and expect treatment.

Gittyup August 2, 2021 at 1:21 PM

Remember when the county instructed us on how to have sex during the pandemic. They have never rescinded that advice. Apparently, it still stands. You have to consider where this advice is coming from. It’s flawed.

It was the very same people that said the vaccinated were completely protected. They could take off their masks, dine inside, meet with others, party on the Fourth of July, get drunk in bars and socialize. So, the vaccinated resumed life as they had known it on the advice of the experts.

Stop blaming the unvaccinated! They are the ones who stayed home, wore masks, and were told they weren’t protected until they got vaccinated … repeatedly told that. It is irresponsible to blame the unvaccinated and demonize them because the world is fighting a pandemic. Blame the virus. It is the cause of the problems.

Grow up August 2, 2021 at 1:36 PM

Vaccinated or not you’re still spreading COVID…..what’s stupid is all the people out there getting this shot

SarBear August 2, 2021 at 2:03 PM

@annoyed – Vaccinated persons are getting it and spreading it equally, this is according to the CDC. The vaccine’s only purpose is to make symptoms milder, never to prevent transmission nor prevent you from spreading it. Unvaccinated persons are only a danger to themselves having a more sever case, that is the only difference between the 2 groups.

miguel August 2, 2021 at 2:13 PM

Just gonna keep kicking that can, huh

https://youtu.be/sZjuZpU9GNk

Chuq August 2, 2021 at 2:49 PM

Gittyup, your assessment doesn’t hold up under much scrutiny.

You say the unvaccinated are the ones who all stayed home and wore masks rather than the vaccinated? Then why are they turning up in ICUs? They caught the virus at home or masked out and about?

No one claimed the vaccinated were completely protected. That just isn’t true we have all been told that the vaccine did a pretty good job of protecting you from getting the virus and then if you do get the virus you are likely to have a much milder case.

And I do blame people who could get the vaccine but have chosen not to (I am certain there are some folks who cannot get vaccinated for medical reasons). They peddle conspiracy theories about the the government trying to control us with masks, 5G nonsense, etc and tell their loved ones not to get the vaccine and then when those who get very sick turn up at the hospitals expecting treatment. They can do quite a bit to prevent this if they cared enough to be a part of the solution.

Sancho Panza August 2, 2021 at 3:05 PM

@SarBear~Well stated…the divisiveness in the current rhetoric…blame game has gone haywire!

annoyed August 2, 2021 at 3:53 PM

@Parent
Vaccinated people are like 10X less likely get infected. While you can catch the Rona whilst vaccinated, it is not vaccinated people doing most of the spreading, it is unvaccinated doing most of the spreading. I’m gonna also go out on a limb(because I have little faith in the intellect of the unvaxxed) and say in general, vaccinated people are still more cautious, some too much so, and aware of their actions with regard to the covids.

annoyed August 2, 2021 at 4:27 PM

@GrowUp

Vaccinated people are less likely to get infected, apparently the Delta BS now infects and spreads more amongst the vaccinated than earlier versions. So the fact that vaccinated people spread it IS a new concept, it didn’t happen before. Regardless, if the unvaxxed were vaxed and we spread this junk around to each other, who would care? The only reason anyone cares is because of the 100+ dummies in the hospital right now clogging it up that didn’t need to be there. Statistically only 1 of them will die, maybe 10-15 of them will have negative longer term effects, some of the smarter one will change their mind about not getting vaxed, and 75 will go home and brag to their buddies about how the China flu wasn’t a big deal, just a little oxygen and some cocktails clears it right up!

Bigjoker August 3, 2021 at 8:06 AM

Wait.. If you are truly vaccinated wouldn’t that make you immune to COVID? why are you blaming the unvaccinated? Vaccine definition: a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease. this is all BS The variant is also caused by the vaccine not the unvaccinated. Reason Is the Vaccine does not kill it, it will makes it stronger I/E Mutate.

Bob August 2, 2021 at 12:39 PM

Well, this should be interesting

Sancho Panza August 2, 2021 at 2:41 PM

What’s interesting, Bob, is that this is in the health order:
https://813dcad3-2b07-4f3f-a25e-23c48c566922.filesusr.com/ugd/84606e_8a1ea8e1a6cd4e33a3509521f661237d.pdf
“Even more concerning, the number of “post-vaccination” infections – i.e., infections of persons who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 – has increased fivefold in the last month. While symptoms in fully vaccinated persons are generally milder than symptoms in people who are not fully vaccinated, this is not always the case. Approximately 20 percent of persons currently hospitalized for COVID-19 in the County are fully vaccinated persons.”

Yoyo Hop August 2, 2021 at 12:44 PM

PUSH-BACK! However you can push-back. Do not comply. Or make it expensive to comply.

If everyone wears a mask, they will continue lock-down logic, until almost everyone gets vaxxed. When almost everyone is vaxxed they will have enough support for vaccine passports. When everyone has a vaccine passport your freedom will depend on getting the latest booster shot.

IT WILL NEVER END IF YOU MINDLESSLY COMPLY

The Realist August 2, 2021 at 1:56 PM

Push back against a life saving vaccine and a preventative respiratory health measure?? Man now I’ve heard everything. Are you people so anti everything that basic science and courtesy is beyond your intellectual grasp. Your freedom ends at my nose… literally in this case. I sheltered and got vaccinated to protect those more vulnerable than myself because I’m not a completely selfish ahole. Till you get vaccinated and wear a mask, Its your turn to stay home and not spread your (mind) disease … or covid either.

Googlar August 2, 2021 at 2:16 PM

If the vaccine is so life saving why does it list death as a side effect and why are the vaccinated now labeled as super spreaders?

bdml August 2, 2021 at 2:21 PM

Not only that but why are pharma companies exempt from lawsuit? Because they know their precious life saving poison and preventative respiratory health measure is CRAP in a syringe.

Doh August 2, 2021 at 2:30 PM

No, COVID-19 will end if people start behaving like there IS a contagious disease spreading. The longer it exists the more chances it will have to mutate until a different vaccine is required. OR we can make an effort to stop it now.

Wage Slave August 2, 2021 at 3:42 PM

Doh,

You are deluded if you think anything humanity can do can eliminate this thing. It has run lose on nearly the entire population of like 8 billion people on earth. What makes you think something some politician or bureaucrat can do will change that now?

Sack up and deal with the fact that it is here, and is most likely here to stay. If you don’t want to live your life out of fear, that is fine, but stop freaking insisting everyone else do the same.

Mmom August 2, 2021 at 6:28 PM

Wage Slave, you do know that a disease can be eradicated by vaccines (smallpox) right?

Googlar August 3, 2021 at 12:56 AM

Mmom

You do know that herd immunity can be reached without vaccines? Case in point: The Amish population of the US reached herd immunity before a vaccine was introduced.

Meanwhile we’re getting farmed for big bucks on multi doses and followup boosters. Get a clue.

Wage Slave August 3, 2021 at 9:26 AM

Mmom,

Apples and oranges. Name me a respiratory virus that was as widespread as covid that has been eliminated through public health campaigns.

There is a slight chance that it does burn out after this or a future wave. But the we delta has mutated to go around the vaccine makes me think this ie going then way of the flu, and is likely to be with us going forward.

lol August 2, 2021 at 12:46 PM

Don’t worry, it’ll all be over after our 15 vaccine boosters

this_that August 2, 2021 at 7:18 PM

I would personally take a shot, no pun intended, at least 100.
I think people have been afraid enough to demand it.

PK August 2, 2021 at 12:47 PM

We are really doing this again? This nightmare will continue as long as we comply. I will be fighting this everywhere I go and I challenge all of you to do the same. It has been 18 months of lying with statistics and cover ups by big tech and the “government”.
THIS WILL END WHEN WE END IT. This is the fool me twice part and we better not fall for it.

hanne jeppesen August 2, 2021 at 9:40 PM

PK, You are getting it backwards. We are doing it because too many are too suspicious of the government and scientist. The first one I kind of get, at least to a certain degree, the second one, not so much.

ERas August 2, 2021 at 10:15 PM

So you say “THIS WILL END WHEN WE END IT”, and yet you are actively fighting against the small and simple measures that will bring us closer to ending it… makes sense.

PK August 2, 2021 at 12:48 PM

We are really doing this again? This nightmare will continue as long as we comply. I will be fighting this everywhere I go and I challenge all of you to do the same. It has been 18 months of lying with statistics and cover ups by big tech and the “government”.
THIS WILL END WHEN WE END IT. This is the fool me twice part and we better not fall for it again.

Antonius August 2, 2021 at 12:51 PM

Popcorn🍿🍿 is done. This will be an interesting discussion. When did mandates become law???

Reason August 2, 2021 at 1:28 PM

Mandates have always been law. The way a mandate works is that the state or federal legislature adopts legislation authorizing a local governmental body to enact mandates for specified statutory purposes. As long as the mandates are enacted for an authorized statutory purpose, then the mandates have the force and effect of law.

Will August 2, 2021 at 12:57 PM

This will never end until WE THE PEOPLE end it. Therefore, DO NOT COMPLY.

ERas August 2, 2021 at 10:17 PM

So by NOT doing what will eventually end this we will end this? How’s that gonna work?

LimeRidge Larry August 2, 2021 at 12:57 PM

What about restaurants?

Dr. Jellyfinger August 2, 2021 at 5:32 PM

Screwed again!

ERas August 2, 2021 at 10:19 PM

Um… wear a mask until the food comes, take it off, eat, then put it back on… They’re not closing things again (unless it gets much worse).

Bean Burner August 2, 2021 at 1:00 PM

the “mandate” only works if a business enforces it. They have every right to choose the dress code for their establishment ( as long as it doesn’t violate discrimination law) .

No shoes no shirt etc etc.

We as patrons don’t get to dictate the business policy. Our only power is to not patronize that establishment.

Otherwise there’s no “mandate” to wear a mask anywhere outside.

bdml August 2, 2021 at 2:24 PM

Actually the no shoes no service went bye bye along time ago it is racist and businesses can’t even kick people out for loitering too long without a purchase so big NO to that noise.

ERas August 2, 2021 at 10:22 PM

@bdml
Ummm… I actually see “no shirt, no shoes, no service” signs all over, right next to the sign that says “we reserve the right to refuse service”. Also, not sure how the no shirt, no shoes thing is racist, can only a certain group not wear shoes or shirts?

Bean Burner August 3, 2021 at 7:40 AM

@bdml- don’t overthink it~ its a euphemism.

Clearly you don’t play golf or if you do, you don’t play the nicer courses or you’d know dress codes are still enforced legally.

You can’t go into some nightclubs wearing a t-shirt or a hat. Or a fine dining establishment wearing no shoes and shorts…

and rightly so: I’m not trying to spend a benjamin on dinner just so some scumbag can sit next to me with his nasty toes all hanging out.

and as a business owner, I can require you to leave under no premise at all.

Its called the right to refuse service and I’ve put it into action before.

LimeRidge Larry August 2, 2021 at 1:03 PM

All about control……forcing people to get vaccinated. Look at this excerpt that basically says they’ll remove the mask order when people are vaccinated. This comes verbatim out of the order.

“Bay Area Health Officers will continue to monitor data, including increasing vaccination throughout the region, to determine when the Orders can be adjusted or lifted.”

MovingOutOfCA August 2, 2021 at 1:10 PM

And we will see that the states that don’t mandate this, won’t have higher numbers of COVID. This won’t go well for CA!

JimmyJam August 2, 2021 at 2:51 PM

Florida and Texas are doing great right now!

Wage Slave August 2, 2021 at 3:33 PM

While you are almost certainly correct, the blue church goers of California will never get that information, because the bishops of the blue church at CNN and MSNBC will never tell them.

It doesn’t matter what the truth is, or what the actual statistics are. It doesn’t matter that states that had mandates didn’t have any better or worse outcomes when adjusted for variables than those that didn’t. What matters is showing your fealty to the blue church, that you are a parishioner in good standing. All people of faith obey the encyclicals of Pope Fauci, and those who don’t are heathens and apostates that deserve to burn in the covid ICU of hades.

The Observer August 2, 2021 at 5:10 PM

Florida has over three times the number of cases per capita as California does. And Florida has been setting new daily records lately.

Wage Slave August 2, 2021 at 6:34 PM

So I looked up the stat again. Florid is 25th out of 50 states for highest death rate, at 180 per 100 thousand. California is 32nd with 163 per 100 thousand. Factor in the age difference between states, and Florida looks a bit better. We will see where Florida is after this delta spike, but considering Florida was very aggressive about getting seniors vaccinated early, hopefully it doesn’t climb too much.

While it’s possible Desantis’ policies blow up in his face, I think it is far more likely that the spotlight on florida is political. Everyone knows he is one of the favorites of the GOP in 2024. And his policies succeeding would be proof that lockdown and aggressive masking policies were unnecessary. They will do a lot to to prevent that and destroy his presidential ambitions.

Derb August 3, 2021 at 3:41 PM

@ JimmyJam

Actually Florida & Texas accounted for one-third of all new U.S. Coronavirus cases last week. Sounds to me that those two states aren’t doing as well as you think.

Ricardoh August 2, 2021 at 1:16 PM

I would like to know how they can say the vaccinated can spread the chinese virus. How was that tested?

bdml August 2, 2021 at 2:26 PM

It is a common military tactic called divide and conquer like Hitler did with the Jews except the unvaccinated have replaced the Jews…

Wage Slave August 2, 2021 at 3:37 PM

Your assumptions are misinformation. Their assumptions are just prudence. It’s good to be the king.

Bad Nombre August 2, 2021 at 4:43 PM

@bdml,

I rather suspect that Hitler would have viewed the virus as an agent to weed out the weak and infirm to improve the race by survival of the fittest. He was a big fan of that sort of thing, you know.

Anew August 2, 2021 at 1:19 PM

If Biden is serious about stopping Covid, why has he opened the borders?

bdml August 2, 2021 at 2:26 PM

They are worried about the 2022 midterms, they know of they don’t cheat they aren’t winning…

Hayden Barsotti August 2, 2021 at 8:46 PM

Ok people…DEMAND THAT THE BORDERS BE CLOSED!!!
How can these stupid jackass bureaucrats tell us to get vaccinated but allow the thousands to come across the border????

WC---Creeker August 2, 2021 at 1:24 PM

So where did this virus originate? Why isn’t this topic of where it originated on the news/opinion channels? Politicians are stupid, please don’t listen to them.

Aerrick August 2, 2021 at 1:26 PM

Does anyone know of any organizations/groups that are fighting this? Anything local or at the state level? Please post if you do.

This is a SHAM everyone. Do not let these people control you. Disobey. You only lose your rights by giving them away.

Do you really think the government cares about you? Do they really just want to make you safe? Think how much energy these people have put into issues like housing, homeless, infrastructure, tax reform, wild fires, water issues, power grid issue, violence — things that would make all of our lives better. But you trust them to flip flop daily about what experimental drug you should jab in your body and what you should cover your face with? The data does not support the lies from the government. It doesn’t.

Please educate yourself — and not from the mainstream media. We should form a group to fight this madness and lies. It’s the only way to end it.

Yoyo Hop August 2, 2021 at 2:15 PM

Aerrick- Attorney, Robert Barnes has filed several lawsuits related to vaccine mandates. Below is a template he provided for this issue:

Dear Boss,

Compelling any employee to take any current Covid-19 vaccine violates federal and state law, and subjects the employer to substantial liability risk, including liability for any injury the employee may suffer from the vaccine. Many employers have reconsidered issuing such a mandate after more fruitful review with legal counsel, insurance providers, and public opinion advisors of the desires of employees and the consuming public. Even the Kaiser Foundation warned of the legal risk in this respect. (https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/key-questions-about-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/)

Three key concerns: first, while the vaccine remains unapproved by the FDA and authorized only for emergency use, federal law forbids mandating it, in accordance with the Nuremberg Code of 1947; second, the Americans with Disabilities Act proscribes, punishes and penalizes employers who invasively inquire into their employees’ medical status and then treat those employees differently based on their medical status, as the many AIDS related cases of decades ago fully attest; and third, international law, Constitutional law, specific statutes and the common law of torts all forbid conditioning access to employment upon coerced, invasive medical examinations and treatment, unless the employer can fully provide objective, scientifically validated evidence of the threat from the employee and how no practicable alternative could possible suffice to mitigate such supposed public health threat and still perform the necessary essentials of employment.

At the outset, consider the “problem” being “solved” by vaccination mandates. The previously infected are better protected than the vaccinated, so why aren’t they exempted? Equally, the symptomatic can be self-isolated. Hence, requiring vaccinations only addresses one risk: dangerous or deadly transmission, by the asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic employee, in the employment setting. Yet even government official Mr. Fauci admits, as scientific studies affirm, asymptomatic transmission is exceedingly and “very rare.” Indeed, initial data suggests the vaccinated are just as, or even much more, likely to transmit the virus as the asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. Hence, the vaccine solves nothing. This evidentiary limitation on any employer’s decision making, aside from the legal and insurance risks of forcing vaccinations as a term of employment without any accommodation or even exception for the previously infected (and thus better protected), is the reason most employers wisely refuse to mandate the vaccine. This doesn’t even address the arbitrary self-limitation of the pool of talent for the employer: why reduce your own talent pool, when many who refuse invasive inquiries or risky treatment may be amongst your most effective, efficient and profitable employees?

First, federal law prohibits any mandate of the Covid-19 vaccines as unlicensed, emergency-use-authorization-only vaccines. Subsection bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(III) of section 360 of Title 21 of the United States Code, otherwise known as the Emergency Use Authorization section of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, demands that everyone give employees the “option to accept or refuse administration” of the Covid-19 vaccine. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3 ) This right to refuse emergency, experimental vaccines, such as the Covid-19 vaccine, implements the internationally agreed legal requirement of Informed Consent established in the Nuremberg Code of 1947. (http://www.cirp.org/library/ethics/nuremberg/ ). As the Nuremberg Code established, every person must “be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision” for any medical experimental drug, as the Covid-19 vaccine currently is. The Nuremberg Code prohibited even the military from requiring such experimental vaccines. (Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld, 297 F.Supp.2d 119 (D.D.C. 2003).

Second, demanding employees divulge their personal medical information invades their protected right to privacy, and discriminates against them based on their perceived medical status, in contravention of the Americans with Disabilities Act. (42 USC §12112(a).) Indeed, the ADA prohibits employers from invasive inquiries about their medical status, and that includes questions about diseases and treatments for those diseases, such as vaccines. As the EEOC makes clear, an employer can only ask medical information if the employer can prove the medical information is both job-related and necessary for the business. (https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/questions-and-answers-enforcement-guidance-disability-related-inquiries-and-medical). An employer that treats an individual employee differently based on that employer’s belief the employee’s medical condition impairs the employee is discriminating against that employee based on perceived medical status disability, in contravention of the ADA. The employer must have proof that the employer cannot keep the employee, even with reasonable accommodations, before any adverse action can be taken against the employee. If the employer asserts the employee’s medical status (such as being unvaccinated against a particular disease) precludes employment, then the employer must prove that the employee poses a “safety hazard” that cannot be reduced with a reasonable accommodation. The employer must prove, with objective, scientifically validated evidence, that the employee poses a materially enhanced risk of serious harm that no reasonable accommodation could mitigate. This requires the employee’s medical status cause a substantial risk of serious harm, a risk that cannot be reduced by any another means. This is a high, and difficult burden, for employers to meet. Just look at the all prior cases concerning HIV and AIDS, when employers discriminated against employees based on their perceived dangerousness, and ended up paying millions in legal fees, damages and fines.

Third, conditioning continued employment upon participating in a medical experiment and demanding disclosure of private, personal medical information, may also create employer liability under other federal and state laws, including HIPAA, FMLA, and applicable state tort law principles, including torts prohibiting and proscribing invasions of privacy and battery. Indeed, any employer mandating a vaccine is liable to their employee for any adverse event suffered by that employee. The CDC records reports of the adverse events already reported to date concerning the current Covid-19 vaccine.(https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vaers.html )

Finally, forced vaccines constitute a form of battery, and the Supreme Court long made clear “no right is more sacred than the right of every individual to the control of their own person, free from all restraint or interference of others.” (https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/141/250)

With Regards,
Employee of the Year

XXX

hanne jeppesen August 2, 2021 at 9:45 PM

Aerrick, It is not only the government, it is also the business establishment. Although judging from posters here, it might seem those who don’t want to comply is in majority, that is not the case. Majority are vaccinated and wears a mask, thus business will cater to those, because that is good business practice.

Donk August 2, 2021 at 1:28 PM

I WILL NOT COMPLY

Puffandstuff August 2, 2021 at 1:33 PM

Where’s the data? I want to see the factual data from our counties that show evidence that maskless shoppers , diners ect are spreading illness. I want to see how these “ officials” came to their new mandate decisions.
Where is it??? If anyone has it please share.

Recall Newsom

parent August 2, 2021 at 2:15 PM

They do not have any data.

None.

But folks will comply because they do not want to cause waves.

My advice, CAUSE WAVES. PUSH BACK or we will never be clear of the health dictators .. at least we get to vote Newscum out of office in 5 1/2 weeks.

Tony August 2, 2021 at 3:11 PM

Mass civil disobedience. Who would’ve thought everyday people who just want to be left the f*** alone would be the real misfits and renegades standing up for freedom. Health & human services have a whole economy planned for us and they can’t do it without mass poverty and poverty management with biometric medical geofencing programs to aggregate all of our personal data.

annoyed August 2, 2021 at 3:59 PM

If you go to coronavirus.cchealth.org they have some nice little graphs to view cases over time. Do you think that the fact the cases per day graph takes a nice steep upward curve a week or two after all mask/whatever mandates were lifted in mid June is a coincidence? Maybe it is, but it’s hard to ignore a pretty clear visual correlation.

Wage Slave August 2, 2021 at 6:42 PM

Yes, I believe it is a coincidence. It happened to coincide with the arrival of Delta. Cases were going to spike regardless.

The UK had their spike in cases prior to their “freedom day” release of covid restrictions. Infections have fallen off by about a third since then. Their death rate barely budged above background noise despite the sharp peak in cases, because most people are vaccinated or already had covid. I suspect the same will happen here, with maybe a little more deaths due to lower vax rate.

Then again, this thing has been pretty impervious to predictions, I should probably keep my foot available to put in my mouth.

ERas August 2, 2021 at 10:36 PM

So if there was data that is easily accessible, would the post now be “the data is wrong”? Yes, I have seen that multiple times over that last year and a half… Complain there’s no data, get data, complain its wrong, rinse and repeat…
OH, and thanks to @annoyed, there’s the link to the easily accessible data above…

parent August 3, 2021 at 6:21 AM

So Eras
Where on the CC Health site does it answer the question that shows mask less shoppers, diners etc are spreading the disease? I have spent some time on the CC Health Site, I find numbers that show an increase (but not sure it is spike – too early to tell), for hospital, case rate, death, etc.

What is being asked is simply, how are these folks getting COVID? What is the source of their infection?

I personally would like the numbers to distinguish between those that are in the hospital because of COVID vs those that are in the hospital for something else and coincidently have COVID.

So you and ‘annoyed’ both say it is there, please show it.

I know you cannot find the data; therefore I can say this. The county has NOT been honest with their reporting from day 1. For that matter, neither has our state … or the media .. or … All of those folks are reporting ‘numbers’ to try and justify their actions.

ERas August 3, 2021 at 4:42 PM

@parent
The problem is, how do you actually know the source? Gathering the data you demand is not really possible…
What if someone at the grocery store has no symptoms, yet is infected and spreading, how do you know thats where you got it from?
The problem is you are demanding data that can’t be collected, because there is no way to know, all while ignoring what can and is collected, which is what is being presented.
The only things they know at this point are what they are presenting to us, it may change when new knowledge/methods are presented, it may not, but for now this is logically the best coarse of action.

Tony August 2, 2021 at 1:36 PM

we are in this mess because people chose to comply. mass civil disobedience. this is tyranny. the end goal is the passport. the passport is to collect our data. our personal data is the missing piece to usher in a new economy built on AI technology and blockchain / distributed ledger technology. if you think this isn’t a possibility, just know the department of defense is actively partnering with a few companies to build an ecosystem that brings interoperability of all data and data types i.e. your vax passport. the sec’s environmental social governance is working on quantification of a scoring system on ESG and DEI, hint “equity” is the trojan horse to usher in a social credit score. the endgame is synthetic debt products for the next big short – human capital and the environment. doubt this? just know the people behind this are the people behind the CDO products that crashed the housing market and the global economy in 08. writing is on the wall, and they can’t do this without ‘poverty management’ as the key driver to test everything and bring it all to life. just look at the 2016 study of Australia by the world economic forum for smart cities. they piloted blockchain based poverty management programs back then. and surprise surprise – Australia is the first country to lockdown the entire country and economy first over what – 800 cases and 11 deaths? wake tf up before we reach a point of no return.

Snakekeeper August 2, 2021 at 5:07 PM

We are in this mess because people chose to comply! What are you smoking? I want some!

anon August 2, 2021 at 6:40 PM

Real question if anyone knows, what are the supposed punishments if any for not complying with this so called requirement? For a business or the individual? Is there any actual threat of fines or worse??

Fred August 2, 2021 at 1:41 PM

Suck it up you snowflakes and wear your masks.

Bad Nombre August 2, 2021 at 1:47 PM

“Well fitted”, what does that mean? Is that new terminology in this context?

Russ Sayin August 2, 2021 at 1:48 PM

I’m just curious when the “Masks Only” vs “No Masks Required” businesses will start opening. Might be easier than trying to police this whole thing.

Exit 12A August 2, 2021 at 1:56 PM

This is BS.
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Vaccination is available. There is no good reason to accommodate those who refuse the Covid vaccine.
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They are own their own.
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bdml August 2, 2021 at 2:30 PM

As are the ones injecting a experimental vaccine in their body and still getting the virus. The vaccine doesn’t work but you keep putting your money in a newly minted billionaire pharma CEO’s pocket…

Aerrick August 2, 2021 at 2:57 PM

I agree Exit 12A. We aren’t looking for accommodations.

Leave us alone and let us get on with our lives. You have done what you believe is best for you, and I have done what is best for me.

Time for everyone to get back to their lives.

This is not a pandemic — please stop calling it such; remember, changing the linguistic term is a great way to control minds. This is a virus, like the standard flu, and it is “endemic.” It’s here to stay. It’s not going away. No amount of masks or booster shots, or talismans hung over your bed are going to make it go away. Get on with your life and quit worrying. Stop being controlled. Live Free. And stop believe the lies, please. You’re being hoodwinked.

Bdpirate August 2, 2021 at 2:15 PM

Well if I must wear a mask indoors it’s gonna be the same one I wore the last time which was so thin and porous I could breath like I didn’t have it on. I could sneeze and droplets the size of bb’s would just go on thru.

chuckie the troll August 2, 2021 at 2:36 PM

I laugh in your general direction, from about 2,000 miles away.

Masks only stop large droplets, and they increase the amount of aerosol that goes up into the air. Aerosols can remain suspended in the air for a long time. There is ACTUAL settled-science to back that up. This latest order is based on voodoo and political calculation.

I got vaccinated because it offers a lot of, although not perfect protection, and I wanted to see an end to the masks. I just heard that our state will not retreat from their no-mask policy. If a business requires it, and I have an alternative, I will go to their competitor.

Just remember: “Fear is the mind-killer” Frank Herbert

RANDOM TASK August 2, 2021 at 2:36 PM

vaccine is not a cure woops
you cant hide from the china virus
you cant bargain with it
if masks of any kind work then why require a vaccine
if masks work then why were they not used by every hypocrite dem politician
stop being sheep or cattle or numb brained lemmings

you are being manipulated

only your immune system can help you
focus on real fruit juice and vitamin d sun light for god and country sake

Ummmm August 2, 2021 at 2:36 PM

People need to exercise their rights, and protest this.This should be a personal choice not a mandate.

Tony August 2, 2021 at 2:42 PM

who are these bay area health officers? nobody elected them. we should be having mass protests at their place of work and at their private residence.

anon August 2, 2021 at 3:28 PM

I’m really honestly disgusted by the fascists in the comments endorsing a two-tier society meant to punish and humiliate those who won’t accept an experimental mRNA gene treatment. It is truly abominable. You people advocate for tyranny. May god and man have mercy on you.

JWB August 2, 2021 at 7:48 PM

I lost you at gene treatment. I would have compassion if you worry but showing this level of ignorance is really sad.

Puffandstuff August 2, 2021 at 8:59 PM

Well said …anon

anon August 3, 2021 at 9:42 AM

It is gene therapy. It is not a vaccine as the term was defined since it’s inception. It is not an inactivated version of the covid 19 virus. If you took the zero liability experimental gene therapy then you should worry about what they just shot you up with, and the fact you are all alone with no legal recourse if and when it causes you ill effects.

Kentucky Derby August 2, 2021 at 4:01 PM

Most of us knew this was coming. Unbelievable.

earl August 2, 2021 at 4:06 PM

utter BS

just another attempt to scare people out of the recall

#RecallGavinNewsom

S.A. August 2, 2021 at 4:52 PM

The hospitals were NEVER full during pandemic, just the opposite…ask any friend (who trusts you) that works in the medical field. Right now there are more beds filled with people who are dying from vaccines than those diagnosed with Covid. Of course it is being shoved under the rug …I mean how can you prove that person with brain inflammation got it from a vaccine…especially when the vaccines are pumping trillions into the economy.

Snakekeeper August 2, 2021 at 6:10 PM

Never full during the pandemic, just the opposite. You and Tony must be smoking the same stuff. I still want some.

Chuq August 2, 2021 at 8:13 PM

There are more people dying from vaccine than people diagnosed with COVID? Your friend is a liar or you’re just making this up. There are more than 50 at Kaiser with COVID.

hanne jeppesen August 2, 2021 at 9:48 PM

I work retail, deal with a lot of people everyday. Have had several nurses telling me that the covid cases coming into the hospital has gone up quite a bit the last few weeks.

Bean Burner August 3, 2021 at 7:42 AM

yeah this is male cow droppings…

I’m dear friends with a group of nurses at John Muir ( was actually married to one) and during the peak the hospital capacity was maxxed. They actually were prepping the old wing to be an overflow…

Cellophane August 2, 2021 at 5:16 PM

I refuse to comply.

Guess I’ll be in jail soon.

Three hots and a cot, I’ll be ok.

I’ve been talking about this phony load of baloney since a year ago last Feb.

People called me a fool, some still do.

They won’t stop until their orders are ignored.

There is NO ONE you have elected who represents your best interests.

CountryGal August 2, 2021 at 11:04 PM

I won’t comply either so that makes two of us.
They can’t mandate masks.
It’s not a law.

Dr. Jellyfinger August 2, 2021 at 6:11 PM

I’m going to start wearing my Covid vax card on a lanyard around my neck for all to see and my face masks over my ears.

Clam Bake August 2, 2021 at 7:48 PM

Impact of Face Masks on Children and Adults

Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis Baruch Vainshelboim (National Institute of Health)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

(P.S. they are desperately trying to “retract” this – but too late as we have hard copies and have fact checked the entire bibliography).

(These too)

How Indoor CO2 Levels Impact Kids
https://learn.kaiterra.com/en/air-academy/how-carbon-dioxide-impacts-kids

April 3, 2021
Wake up, people: Science shows mask zealots were very, very wrong
By Trevor Thomas
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/04/wake_up_people_science_shows_mask_zealots_were_very_very_wrong.html

Christiane Northrup’s Blog
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/75929.Christiane_Northrup/blog

LONG TERM HEALTH CONSEQUENCES OF WEARING FACE MASKS
http://www.howardnema.com/2021/04/11/long-term-health-consequences-of-wearing-face-masks/

Puffandstuff August 2, 2021 at 9:37 PM

Anyone see the pics of Lalapalooza in Chicago?
Or all the illegals crowding under the bridge in Texas this weekend?
C’mon man

Vindex August 3, 2021 at 6:22 AM

Medical fascists

chuckie the troll August 3, 2021 at 7:16 AM

Because the masks don’t work, you are going to need to ear them twice as long! That’s their version of settled-science and they are sticking you with it.

Dr. Jellyfinger August 3, 2021 at 7:26 AM

What’s the point of complying while Biden lets infected carriers flood across our border and then he distributes them across the nation?
Of those illegals that we actually have in custody 33% of them refuse the vaccine & Biden still lets them stay!
We should refuse to comply with masking until Biden complies with the law
AT THE BORDER!

ThenFearless Spectator August 3, 2021 at 4:48 PM

Let’s face it, they have introduced “The Border Variant”.

Joe should be impeached for allowing the border daily super spreader events to continue. And his pet Kamala too.

john g August 3, 2021 at 9:22 AM

I think health officials should be required to explain themselves in person of their orders and not hide behind the zoom monitors so they can really hear what the people have to day. Either that or allow people to come visit them

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