The Water Cooler – Should COVID-19 Nursing Home Deaths Be Investigated?

May 22, 2020 12:00 pm · 13 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it.

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday in the noon hour.

QUESTION: Should deaths related to COVID-19 in nursing homes be investigated for possible negligence?

Talk about it….

{ 13 comments… read them below or add one }

Mongoose May 22, 2020 at 12:25 PM

Investigations,State & Federal, should already be under way. Oh, I forgot, the LE are too busy chasing people off the beaches, and out of the public parks.

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Anon May 22, 2020 at 12:27 PM

Of course. But if this gets too much attention, “they” will just pull out their favorite labels (“conspiracy theorist” or “Anti”)……..and it will shut down all critical thought or investigation.

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whome May 22, 2020 at 12:27 PM

Yes,
And they should start counting deaths from people that died in the Hospital – but were brought in by Ambulance as Nursing Home deaths…

Apparently they are lowering the Nursing Home death rate numbers with this misinformation…

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whome May 22, 2020 at 12:45 PM

Opps…allow me to clarify;

If a patient is in a Nursing Home, and COVID sick so bad an Ambulance is called, and then that person dies at the Hospital – IMO that death should be counted a Nursing Home death.

chuckie the troll May 22, 2020 at 12:43 PM

As a matter of public health, it should. Now I’m supposing these deaths weren’t the result of Newsom’s plan to pay facilities $1,000 PER DAY to take in people infected with Xi coronavirus, but I could be mistaken.

I would also suggest that the facilities with no infections be asked for the when/what they did to prevent infections in the first place. A set of ‘best practices’ should result, giving guidance the next time a nasty bug comes along.

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Aunt Barbara May 22, 2020 at 12:47 PM

Yes. Nursing home neglect and abuse is very prevalent even in our so called high end Nursing homes. Patients with Dementia and alzheimer’s disease are most at risk
We need to take better care of our elders and not just expect them to die in these homes.

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Kirkwood May 22, 2020 at 12:51 PM

Yes, definitely. I’m likely to be living in a senior community within a couple years and I know that any questions I might ask will be stonewalled. The law does require a sign be posted where it will be seen by residents, and provides information for contacting an ombudsman to represent the resident. My elderly mother lived in three of them and I saw how they operated. Many of these homes are nationwide companies And although individual facility managers can handle daily routine matters, there is no training that. Much of the help comes from the Philippino community and many speak little if any English.

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RANDOM TASK May 22, 2020 at 1:00 PM

old saying

don’t beat a dead horse

look what happened was ….unprecedented

never happened before and hopefully never will

this state being its own entity needs to learn to deal with things as they come and be able to be adjust
and not just follow like sheep the dynamic of this state is its micro climate and number of cities all with their own focus

this state is being run poorly ….often deferring to county rule mentality to shirk their responsibilities….

the counties then relishing their perceived power over extend their actions and of course make the cities adjust ….but these cities run by self absorbed selfish and mostly devious natures ….then fleece the cities and leave them to bear the brunt on their own …..while implementing tax hikes to plug holes they created by mismanaging funds to their advantage essentially using the tax payer as a atm machine while offering nothing in return

all in all this results in a mess
so to the question of investigations over covid

it should start at the state level and investigate their handling …then move to the county boards and then the city councils ….basically follow the money

and since scammer newscum sent over a billion dollars to our enemy china for masks that non of the medical staffs have seen and or what they have seen was shoddy and 3rd rate …..I would say that that would be the first investigation as to the value of what he said we paid for and the actual quality of what we got and or if he already knew that the masks were garbage and just wanted to rub china’s rear end with our money like most liberal traitors

investigating a facility when they were left with no support or guidance from the state or county or city sources ….is not only bad form it is criminal in nature as the politicians failed from the start …..and still are …..

I am sure anyone attached to any said facilities is dealing with it already
as best they can to keep sane and not break down from the events they had to endure and witness ……

the state failed them why attack them after the fact …..

the healing has to start …..no finger pointing until the politicians receive their lashings first

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Ricardoh May 22, 2020 at 1:20 PM

If it would have been possible they should have tested workers at long term care homes sooner. That is hindsight. What isn’t hindsight is Governor Cuomo sending virus patients to long term care homes. Then he tries to blame the stupidity on Trump. The CDC directive was to send them to long care home facilities where they had the equipment to take care of them and they could be isolated. That isn’t what New York did. If they didn’t have enough homes to do that they could have sent them to the Javits Center or the hospital ship. But to the fake news Cuomo is a hero. Hard to believe.

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Cyn May 22, 2020 at 3:19 PM

Rob, there is no “Trump Model”. There are CDC guidelines. There is also something called common sense.

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Ricardus May 22, 2020 at 5:07 PM

It’s a fact that older people are more susceptible to the virus. If nursing homes are going to take $$$ for taking care of the elderly, they need to take extra precautions to protect them. And the excuse that it wasn’t COVID-19 that killed them but underlying health conditions is nonsense. HIV didn’t kill millions, but it weakened people’s immune systems to make them susceptible to other diseases. But the HIV death toll reflected people that had HIV-related complications.

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Michael May 22, 2020 at 8:41 PM

Yes similar to restaurants. Shut them down immediately and have the state take over until it is right. Happens again yank their license and charge them for elder abuse. Limit the number of 1099 employees and HS1 Visas to make everyone accountable.

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Ilovepopcorn May 23, 2020 at 4:08 PM

Yes! Always. The problem is the people working there are not equipped with knowledge and PPE to take care of the infected. The owners of this industry are corrupt. They underpay the employees and also the food should be the best for the patients and it not good nutritional food. These nursing homes can be as much as $15,000 a month too. They should be regulated and shut down when patients and their employees are not protected against COVID19.
I am sick of how these greedy thugs get away with such injustice. They should be prosecuted too in the event of death or serious injury to patients and or employees.

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