The head of the Trauma Center at John Muir Medical Center told ABC7 news they’ve seen a year’s worth of suicide attempts in the past four weeks.
He says mental health is suffering because of the shelter-in-place, and personally thinks the shelter-in-place (SIP) should come to an end.
What do you think?
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UPDATE: RELATED STORY: John Muir Health Issues Statement Regarding Contra Costa County’s Shelter-In-Place
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All of this nonsense should come to an end. If anybody feels threatened or scared of catching a disease, enough information has been provided by health officials and the media that they should be able to decide for themselves what they believe is best, and live their life accordingly. Personally, I am not worried about it, and wish to live my life as I see fit according to my personal moral principals and core values.
Hear, hear.
Amen!
That we had an SIP at all is a sign of widespread mental illness.
Pressure needs to be placed on County Supervisors and Health Directors via the public. This SIP is not sustainable. Email or phone them if you are displeased.
I have emailed my supervisor repeatedly. She hasn’t said anything useful in response. Basically, what is holding this County back is the health dept itself. Its website still does not show how the county is doing on two metrics which they insist must be met. Meanwhile, the supervisors are deaf and have been absent. I own a small business and they are not supporting us with anything. No fight.
That has happened to me as well when I email the County Sups. It took a follow up call to Supervisor Mitchoff to get a response back. I will continue to call/email.. I’m seeing small businesses around me fold, neighbors lose their jobs and their mental health has deteriorated. I’m mindful of taking precautions however it is time to move forward. We’ve flattened the curve as asked.
I, and many others, have been pointing out that keeping people locked down has many negative consequences. People are dying, and just from Covid, yet, we’re called granny killers, selfish, uncaring of others, we’re going to kill people, we just want haircuts.
There are always trade-offs, but it seems like the only consideration in issuing lockdown orders was Covid infections and Covid deaths. Do other deaths not matter? Missed cancers, heart disease, cancelled surgeries? People are suffering. End this now.
YES END IT NOW!!!
So at the time of me typing this, 28% of you support keeping SIP. You should be ashamed of yourselves! God forbid you or a loved one suffers mental illness. All for 33 RELATED covid deaths. Disgusting.
EXACTLY!!! 👍
It needs to end. Let the elderly, and those with underlying health conditions stay home. The stats don’t warrant the lockdown. Mental health is just as important as physical health. And those who are retired, you’re not losing income, nor are you raising children. If you’re receiving stimulus checks, you’re benefitting financially. It should come to an end for mental health and financially well being for those who are struggling.
This is NOT about a virus anymore!. People are always going to get sick , you can not stop it, each person is responsible for their own health and safety. You can choose whether you want to go out or not. We have NEVER quarantined the healthy ! The federal DOJ just warned Newsom to stop violating the constitution and open up! There is no provision in the constitution , making it null and void because there us a “perceived” pandemic! The numbers have never added up !!!
Here’s a piece I don’t get: there is no guideline or mention of any re-opening besides businesses and public facilities. How about people’s private lives, family and friends?? Curbside retail is all well and good, but when can people visit a friend’s backyard without worrying that a bossy neighbor is going to rat them out and they’ll get fined for 1000 bucks?? People need other people, and human contact needs to be possible. Guidelines and recommendations, okay. Gathering size limit, okay. But not unending isolation. It’s terrible, and even worse for those already most vulnerable to loneliness and despair.
It needs to start somewhere instead of sitting around talking about it just do it !!!
Yes, we should end this cruel and unusual punishment on We The People. The ‘powers that be’ have dug us in a deep hole and appear to not know how to get us out! Civil disobedience is right around the corner….
It is not about the virus anymore! It is about the survival of our republic.
End this now!
Should’ve ended a month ago.
Sheltering will only change the dates of infections, not the amount. We were told from the beginning that the closures were intended to ease the burden on healthcare during the expected “surge/peak”. Aside from New York and New Jersey packing patients into nursing homes (manslaughter), Mission very much accomplished.
But anyone with basic knowledge of economics knows it could only be a short-term strategy. The socioeconomic carnage sustained in only three months is all the proof you should need. With the pandemic numbers on a steady decline for several weeks, it is long past time to change gears. We will beat this with herd immunity and if we’re very lucky an eventual vaccine.
For anyone still undecided, ask yourself these three questions:
1. Does the herd immunity strategy hold a degree of risk?
2. Is that risk greater than the guaranteed consequences of the current course?
Remember, the greatest risk we ever take on a daily basis is getting out of bed.
I’m Bob, and I approve this message
Correction: Two questions
“The head of the Trauma Center at John Muir Medical Center told ABC7 news they’ve seen a year’s worth of suicide attempts in the past four weeks.”
WOW! I assumed there was an issue but not this many incidents.
Release is now!
I am starting to hate the county I live in.
it seems to be that almost everyone thinks the same…there really is something to learn here thru experience.. We must pay attention to who we elect to all of our official positions. this is no time to stay silent. we are really seeing what happens when we do or when we are complacent.
VOTE!!!
It should be OUR choice now…..If you are too scared you can stay home, businesses should hire workers that want to work and open . NOW!
Nursing homes need to be monitored, but relatives should be able to visit their loved ones, in a safe way. They will live with the pain of not seeing them forever.
✔️SIP – I like working from home 😉
🚫 SIP – I need a pedicure ‼️
People should be allowed to do what they are comfortable with.
Or, no SIP because my business is going bankrupt, can’t pay my bills and have kids to feed. It’s a tad more complicated than wanting a pedicure.
Yves, like I said, “People should be allowed to do what they are comfortable with”. You should be able to open your business and people will visit if the feel safe to do so.
Mental health services are an essential service, and it’s important to make the decision to access those services when you need them. It is hard to make that choice, but if your life is in danger, then you should go to support groups, meetings, appointments, whatever. This hasn’t been made clear, but these services are still out there and available. We have been hosting an AA meeting at our house because of this. When you’re struggling to find new coping skills isolation is your worst enemy.
Fair enough, Lambie. I missed it. The pedicure or “you just want a hair cut” kinda sets me off sometimes.
Ya know would have thought nourishment of the soul would be a higher priority to those we elect to serve us in government. Prefer sermon from a Rabi, Priest or Minister over listening to a politician.
Judge back east explained this shutdown stuff, businesses and people being threatened by politicians and bureaucrats.
Judge maintains the threat a politician or bureaucrat alleges an activity or person poses to public health and safety,
“must be actual and not theoretical.”
Those 144 voters who voted to continue the shelter in place should continue there own SIP. Enough is a enough and if we have to wear masks when we go into a business then open up the damn county already!!
I wonder how many of the 149 votes for SIP are from government employees who continue to get paid while working from home? Doesn’t get much better for them.
Well let’s see. Do I want to lose any more of my already taxed sanity, or do I want to die miserably?🤔
It is time to get rid of the one party system in California. The damage they have done to this once great state may never be able to be repaired.
This lockdown is killing people, enough is enough.
Most of our state is republican. It’s just the bay and LA. They have finally overplayed their hand. I can’t wait till we repeal all the constitution trampling laws especially around the 2 amendment. These fools just think they can do whatever they want.
We don’t have a one party system in California. There are many political parties that are qualified to run candidates in elections. Our elections are fair and democratic.
It is incorrect to say that “most of our state is Republican”. It’s just not true. Only 23.6% of California voters are registered as being Republicans. Only 1/3 of independent voters vote Republican. The majority of Californians lean politically to the left.
I looked it up on Wikipedia and its called a “one-party dominant system,” in which one party holds the strong majority power and is unlikely to lose control in the future. Here’s where it gets hilarious. Their examples include United Russia in Russia, the United Socialist Party of Venezuela, and the Cambodian People’s Party. You couldn’t even make this stuff up.
Recent Republican governors: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Pete Wilson, George Deukmejian, Ronald Reagan
There are a lot of state reps that are Republican as well. Plus you get to vote Republican in elections. In a one party system you don’t.
Most Americans identify as moderate or conservative (80-82%). Liberals are less than 20% nationwide, but California is a liberal state. California used to be moderate, but there is a wide range of political identity because we’re the largest state.
If you are at risk stay home. If you are not wear a mask and go about whatever you have to do.
To be honest, the shelter in place saved me and helped my mental health a ton. I wonder if it’s helped anyone else that was in a dark place? Mental Health services are available during this pandemic too & have the entire time.
How exactly did it help you?
Services are available and overloaded, but those services don’t work for all people. Some people just need to see friends and family or to just get back to a routine.
According to the video on ABC7’s website, these suicides are mostly younger people. It’s an indictment of our society that there are some people who feel like they have to take their own life, because of unemployment during the shelter-in-place. We don’t have a strong enough safety net for times of crisis. We were all supposed to get 2 stimulus checks, but the second check was blocked and the stimulus bill was changed to send only people 1 check.
It’s also unfortunate that the head of the Trauma Center waited weeks to sound the alarm about the rise in suicide instead of speaking out earlier. Either adjustments to the shelter-in-place guidelines could have been made, or the state could have helped to bail out people who were at the point of giving up, or both.
The shelter-in-place guidelines never restricted people from offering emotional support to each other. It was stated in the guidelines that people can visit friends and family who are in need, or who have a health problem and need visitation. If you know someone who needs emotional support, you can visit that person. If you need emotional support from someone you know, then call them and arrange to meet in person.
Call Gov. Newsom’s office. I complained about the way he is handling things. I was professional, polite, and made my point in one minute. The lady who fielded my call, had the personality of a zero. Keep calling as your voice needs to be heard. It took me about 20 minutes to get through, but I was happy to wait.
Open your eyes folks . This is just not about Covid 19 you have to realise this is so much more and so much we have to learn and embracw a new future for ourselves and our elderly and our children and the defense of our nation and the safty of our planet. Do not forget your history it was not that long ago we had a Polio epidemic if your too young then ask your grand parents about what happened during that time. Now is the time to think about how we operate and how illnesses are so easily transferred and the importance of washing your hands. Do not politicize this I know many of you dont care or have the brains to realise we our fortunate to go through this now so we can make some much needed changes in health and cleanliness of what were doing . Not only that but look how wonderful it is for many to work from home and the level of polution that has also dropped significantly. We need to slow down. Those glaciers are melting at a rapid rate and its not joke. This isnt just about one virus its about so many things and so many potential illnesses and viruses its about our future so much good can come from this. ONE More Thing never forget there are countries who would love to take our spot in this world and we have nations out there and terrorists groups that have studied and in there arsenal serious viruses that can wipe us out in a month. Its calles Germ WarFare we at least now can get a idea of what to have and how to deal with such things in the case such a event occured slow it down folks . Am I wrong?.
C’mon man, at this point what difference does it make?
At the beginning of March I tested positive for COVID. After 2 weeks they allowed me to go back to work. It’s been 2 months now and I’m fine.
I was lightly ill with a nasty cough and a fever. The symptoms only lasted about 10 days for me. Now I’m not afraid of catching it again, I probably have a built up immunity to it!
https://youtu.be/SrmqsEwsZ0A
Is the shelter in place legal or necessary? Here is a very articulate argument to the contrary. Covid deaths do not justify a “state of emergency” and even if it had been justified it is to be only 60 days max.
She also gives info in other videos about the harm in wearing face coverings.
Peggy Hall – Healthy American on YouTube.
The numbers of Covid death in Orange County and in California as a whole are higher than what she said. We can compare California’s numbers to the numbers for states, and see that there are part of the country have much higher mortality rates. The virus is not fully understood, in terms of how it functions and how to stop it. We should take precautions though the different phases of re-opening California, so we don’t have the much higher numbers that other states have. It is true that the situation in California is not as bad as could be, but the upper threshold of how bad things can get still exists; we can see that in the numbers from other states.
CO2 molecules can pass through the fibers of a cloth mask.Oxygen can pass through the fibers of a cloth mask. CO2 and Oxygen are vastly smaller than the droplets carrying the virus.
She is wrong about the CDC report. The report said that health workers wearing cloth masks have a higher infection rate than health workers wearing N95 masks. The study did not say that people wearing cloth masks had a higher infection rate than those not wearing masks at all. The CDC recommends that people wear cloth masks.
The report other report she cited was an extremely limited study of 4 participants, and is highly debated in findings and methodology. There’s ongoing conversation about the study: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1342
Meanwhile she ignores studies and opinions that contradict this limited and contested study.
She greatly overstates our body’s ability to filter out viruses. Clearly what she says is not true, because we can get respiratory viruses.Our respiratory system is not impervious to viruses.
@natalie This is actually a legal issue, it’s has nothing to do with your emotions. The fact is Gavin Newsom had zero legal authority to declare state of emergency to begging with. There has to be an actual “state of emergency” not a threat or an assumption or a prediction. Never throughout the shelter in place have the requirements been met. Further he is required to stop the state of emergency at the earliest possible time. Given he had zero authority to call it and give himself extra power, the state DOJ is derelict in his duty in protecting the people of California from a tyrant
The whole thing really needs to come to an end. With that said, if you try to kill yourself because you’ve been confined to your house for a month and a half, you’ve got much deeper issues. That’s a sign of serious mental illness. If they want to kill themselves, let them do it. I’m tired of having to go pick them up, put them in restraints take them to a 72-hour psychiatric hold facility. Then a month later they’re back doing the same thing.
End the SIP….not because people are unhappy with it, but because of the crippling effect it has had on the economy.
Restaurants can open with limited seating and capacity. Have all the waiters, workers, etc. wear masks when serving their guests. Online appointments only, booked ahead of time.
Hair salons and other businesses can also re-open with limited occupancy and all bookings via phone or online.
Limit crowds to less than 30 people in any social gathering.
People can still follow social distancing guidelines by staying six feet apart and wearing masks (even though most will not do this)
And I can still socially distance myself from others…
It’s Epic that all of you Cower in place want to feign love for those of us who wish to move on with life. 6 months ago you had no problems cutting us off in traffic or even wishing death on us if God forbid we did something wrong on the roadway, but now you love us so much (along with government) that you want to protect us all from WMD and some Osama Bin Laden virus of the mind ~ corona = crown. Funny how that works.
Stop the madness! End the SIP now!!! Our bank accounts have gone from $$$ to $. We all want to go back to work so that we see it go from $ to $$$.
Odd how this survey very closely mirrored the same one on Claycord’s Facebook page, then it started to diverge. I wonder if Facebook limiting people to one vote has anything to do with that?
A gentleman I know never took this seriously. At the beginning, I thought this separated the selfish from the unselfish, and the ignorant from the intelligent. He’s doing fine mentally, because he’s been visiting his friends, family and his girlfriend all along. I grew up with him. I bit my tongue to keep from saying something I’d regret. He told me he wasn’t about to destroy his mental well being by staying home all day, and not going anywhere but the store. I still think he was selfish, but it’s better than destroying your mental health. He new exactly what he was doing, and it’s working for him. He voted for Newsom, and refuses to listen to a word he says. Oh, well.
Most People who got the Covid-19 virus did, in fact, recover;
1,296 confirmed cases vs 36 deaths in CCC (as of 5/23/20).
Losing 36 people is too many! The virus should be respected, but we can’t continue to live in a bubble. Why haven’t there been emphasis on learning to strengthen our immune systems, so our bodies can better tolerate exposure to Covid-19?
I’m curious to know, 4-weeks from now, how the number of mental health issues, acts of violence, and deaths by suicide, related to “shelter in place”, stack up against actual Covid-19 cases? What is Newson going to do about “SIP mental health”, if things in that direction get out of hand?
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