Bay Area Shelter-In-Place To Be Extended Until May 1

March 30, 2020 12:04 pm · 64 comments

The Public Health Order for people to shelter-in-place safely in their homes in seven jurisdictions throughout the Bay Area, including Contra Costa County, will soon be extended until at least May 1, according to Santa Clara County.

Additional details about the updated order will be available when it’s finalized in the next day or two, the county said.

Cellophane March 30, 2020 at 12:30 PM

This is ridiculous.

I’ll follow the shelter in place protocols next month just like I followed them last month.

Not at all.

This is government control at its worst.

The numbers just don’t add up.

I say all this virus scare is just a bunch of government propaganda.

Annoyed March 30, 2020 at 1:08 PM

I’ll bite. Why don’t the numbers add up? Explain it to me like I’m 5 and provide evidence where possible.

Sign from Above March 30, 2020 at 1:56 PM

You’re totally free to believe whatever you want Cellophane. Darwinism will clear out the gene pool! Unfortunately, it’s the innocent people around you that will pay the penalty.

Cellophane March 30, 2020 at 6:25 PM

@ Annoyed. It’s real easy to look it up for yourself. Give it a shot.

@ Sign from Above Why is it all you can offer as a rebuttal is a personal attack? That diminishes anything you may have to say.

Annoyed March 30, 2020 at 6:48 PM

@cellophane I find it amusing that absurd claims are never accompanied by data, just hollow claims of “you can look it up.” No data, no analysis, just an empty claim. I wanted to give you a shot to make your point, but apparently you have none to make.

If you did have a point to make, you’d make it rationally and logically by providing DATA, or any kind of evidence, really.

Ilovepopcorn March 30, 2020 at 10:58 PM

Ha ha! Just a big hoax! Wait that is what Trump said! Go forward!! Oh now it isn’t a hoax! Oh please remember he is sending you a check! So he wants your vote. Just forget that thousands of Americans are sick and will die. Oh I am going to run around and have fun all by myself. To hell with it I am not going to believe this. This damn government is full of it. Ha ha ha ha!

Cellophane March 31, 2020 at 7:44 AM

@Annoyed

As I had suspected and you proved with your second comment, there is little I could say or prove to you that would change your opinion.

Why should I produce evidence openly available just so you can deny it’s credibility?

The “explain it to me like I’m a 5-year-old” gave you away.

As I said, it’s easy to find for yourself.

Rollo Tomasi March 31, 2020 at 9:45 AM

Popcorn:
“Wait that is what Trump said”

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute this to your difficulty with the English language, but you’re perpetuating another lie.

Sign from Above March 31, 2020 at 11:23 AM

@ Cellophane

No personal attack there! I basically said you can think whatever you want to think.

parent March 30, 2020 at 12:44 PM

Anon
Media lied? Wow!? I never would have expected them to do that. At least the politicians are being honest, right? They would never lie to us, would they?
Sarcasm off …
Yeah, media has been misrepresenting this since it started. So have the politicians. They are only showing you what they want you to see, so that you will panic. They are trying to control us through fear and intimidation.
I am staying home as much as possible, but I am also not afraid to go out and about.

Aunt Barbara March 30, 2020 at 12:45 PM

Will need more stimulus checks sent out with packages of toilet paper.
Thanks Gav

Original G March 30, 2020 at 12:46 PM

All ya need to do is take a look at New York and New Jersey stats, to see what’s happening in those states where liberal elected officials waited to impose shelter in place.

As of this post
New York,
Total cases 66,497, new cases (today) 5,818, total number dead 1,218, deaths today 155

New Jersey ,
Total cases 16,636, new cases (today) 3,250, total number dead 198, deaths today 37

California,
Total cases 6,358, new cases (today) 154, total number dead 132, deaths today 1

State, counties and cities will see a drop in sales tax and fuel tax revenue. Disposable income for most part will be wiped out.

Annoyed March 30, 2020 at 1:06 PM

Could you kindly provide a link to some evidence of your claim? Seems hard to believe that so many levels of multiple governments would react so swiftly if there was such easily available evidence stating that none of this is necessary.

Curious George March 30, 2020 at 1:06 PM

Had an interesting conversation with a front line ER nurse in Seattle today. Quizzed him about Covid cases…response was that the majority of walk in’s are what he considered, if anything, mostly allergy cases that people are not sure if it’s the usual yearly ordeal or it may be something to be concerned about. Many, many hypochondriacs out there….just sayin.

Otherwise he said Covid cases are NOT rampant.I just don’t know what to think sometimes….

Be safe everyone

Wage Slave March 30, 2020 at 3:43 PM

My neighbor works at a Contra Costa hospital in medical imaging, and he said it is pretty much quiet. They cancelled all electives and cleared out all patients they could to prepare for this, and so far have been sitting around for the most part for the last two weeks. There are some CV patients, but not in any way overwhelming.

I realize that is just one hospital, and not anything to draw conclusions from, but still interesting anecdotally.

This could come down to, some areas are just bigger hot spots than others, and the shelter in place type rules can be shrunk down to those areas as the trends become more well known. It’s all an information battle, we just need so much more.

Hanne Jeppesen March 30, 2020 at 1:06 PM

I have the feeling those who think this is overblown are mostly conservatives.
If you listen to Talk Radio I urge you to listen to Michael Savage, or go to his website. Savage is as conservative as they come, but he is also a scientist, has a Ph.D. in epidemiology, so he know of what he speaks. While he is critical of some of the measures the government are taking (local and federal) he is by no means casual about the virus.

Carnac the Magnificent March 30, 2020 at 2:38 PM

Michael Savage’s Ph.D is not in epidemiology. His Ph.D is from Cal in nutritional ethnomedicine. He also has MSs in botany and medical anthropology.

Savage also has ties to wack-ado Alex Jones and he is banned from visiting the UK for “seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred.”

I found all that out in about 2 seconds. How come you did not?

Carnac the Magnificent March 30, 2020 at 3:31 PM

Not sure why it is so difficult for you to respond to the correct post but if you listen to experts like Dr Anthony S. Fauci than you are going to find the latest article he coauthored in the New England Journal of Medicine titled “Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted” dated March 26,2020 downright fascinating.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

Carnac the Magnificent March 30, 2020 at 4:34 PM

The fact of the matter is Savage is NOT who you claimed he was. You infer his is a racist yet you feel totally justified in using him as an example for people to follow… since I guess you believe all conservatives are racists tinfoil hat wearing simpletons who need a big government loving foreign born liberal to MAKE them see the light.

Then you use a Straw Man Fallacy by adding well Trump does this and Trump does that when Trump has absolutely nothing to do with Savage not being a epidemiologist as you claimed he was.

RANDOM TASK March 30, 2020 at 1:08 PM

well take a walk or drive down to a local hospital and see just how farce it is

we will wait ….go now

Hanne Jeppesen March 30, 2020 at 5:53 PM

I never said he was a racist. I just don’t care for his show when he starts ranting and raving about immigrants and Muslim’s, he might have a point I just don’t like his communications style, that is not a left or right thing, there are liberal hosts I don’t listen to because I don’t care for how the communicate. I certainly do not believe that all republican’s are racist, I would say most are not. I didn’t mention Trump in any of the posts about Savage. Your comments are confusing, in your first post you sound like you are very critical of Savage, mention his ties to Alex Jones, and him being banned in the UK. Then you seem upset when I’m somewhat critical of Savage. Which is it, my comment didn’t have much to do with politics, it was about the virus and shelter in place. You reading meaning into my comments that are not there. Nor am I trying to convert anyone, I have lived long enough to know that is a lost course. I don’t see how you can deduct that I’m a big government liberal? All I was talking about was the virus. If you have a discussion with me about the IRS or Social Security you will know that I’m not enamored of big government institution. I love how some people point out I’m foreign born. I have been here more than 50 years legally, I raised a daughter who has a very successful life, I have owned a business, been self employed and worked in various industries and always paid my taxes. I have come across people who are born here who are more critical of the US than I am

Hanne Jeppesen March 30, 2020 at 6:28 PM

Carnac, Why would I disregard something Savage said if I agree with it, just because I disagree with him on other issues. When I go to the doctor, dentist or even my car mechanic I don’t ask about their politics, nor do I care. I just care that they will fix me or my car.

Gittyup March 30, 2020 at 9:51 PM

Could you please make some small attempt to post your comments by hitting the “Reply” button directly under the comment to which you are replying?

Realist March 30, 2020 at 1:20 PM

Yeah, this sucks, but I listen to actual scientists (I work for biotech companies) and have nurses in my family, this is a terrible situation and this might be the best solution. Listen to Italians who are saying that they should gave listened more to their government.

Conspiracies aside, this is a war with a virus we need to win.

Hanne Jeppesen March 31, 2020 at 10:50 AM

Gitty Up, This seem to be an on going problem. The reply button is not always there, even when it is right under the comment it does not mean my comment end up right under the post I’m replying too. I think it is a problem with Claycord’s website.

TUGBOAT March 30, 2020 at 1:27 PM

This is our Health Departments, that have operated in obscurity for so long (checking restaurants for roaches, food temperatures, etc.) becoming relevant and enjoying their moment in the sun. Actually trying to extend that moment; just human nature.

ZZ March 30, 2020 at 1:31 PM

U.S. Census Bureau – July 1 estimated population in Contra Costa County 1,153,526. 183 Coronovirus cases and 3 deaths since February 2020………… it must be because of the 2 weeks of social distancing and shutting down non essential business. Hmmmmmmm…..

No I wont March 30, 2020 at 1:41 PM

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Bill Gram-Reefer March 30, 2020 at 3:35 PM

Have fun storming that castle. Go on ahead; we’re right behind you.

I get it March 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM

I get it’s annoying we have to stay inside and the government sucks and whatever.. but literally think of the people that can actually get sick because of the people that refuse to stay at home. I get the media makes it seem worse than it is but there are people who are really at risk of dying. Even if it’s not a huge chance why put them at risk. it’s not all older people. It’s not a death sentence for you to stay inside, it’s a death sentence for those that you put at risk for going outside. Go to the store, get what you need, then go home and stay home.. enjoy the time at home. Pretty sure once work starts up again everybody will start complaining about how tired they are and how they wish they were at home. You had the chance but you didn’t take it. Relax. Think of others for once. If the media bothers you don’t pay attention to it.

Rollo Tomasi March 31, 2020 at 9:49 AM

Do you also get that, based on the guidelines, there is a safe middle ground between staying home and going to a rave every night?

Sign from Above March 30, 2020 at 1:53 PM

The only “TOTAL AND UTTER GARBAGE.” is your comment. Not a conspiracy going on here! If you actually knew what was going on at the hospitals, you’d be red-faced about your comment.

Unless you can back up your claims with an actual source, this is not the time to be spewing uneducated and ill-informed banter!

Hanne Jeppesen March 30, 2020 at 1:57 PM

I get it, You make a lot of sense. People that don’t want to take this seriously are putting others at risk. I’m not a scientist, but what I understand about this virus, it is VERY contagious, and if you have it you feel horrible, and it is not only older people that die, and as an older person I’m offended and some think my life is dispensable I don’t see how all the doctor’s and scientist, not only in this country, but around the world can be wrong. I’m pretty sure they are not all democrats. See my early post about Michael Savage, and I have a close friend who has a Ph.D. in biochemistry, he is very conservative, and have often mentioned that many he knows in the scientific community are conservative, might not all be Trump supporters, but conservatives never the less.

Gittyup April 1, 2020 at 12:36 PM

@Henna Stay home if your’re worried about getting it.

Old-school guy March 30, 2020 at 2:12 PM

I have a friend that is an ER nurse. A good day at work for her is when no one dies. There hasn’t been a good day at work for two weeks. Stay the F**K home.

Hanne Jeppesen March 30, 2020 at 2:29 PM

Old-school, I like how succinct you express yourself, my sentiment exactly.

MadMom March 30, 2020 at 2:43 PM

Yesterday there was a girls soccer game going on at Baldwin park. What were the parents thinking?
I have a friend in NY. It’s not a joke. This virus is real.She said it’s like 911 all over again. People are so frightened because of the people who refuse to believe their lying eyes.
The people who feel so entitled and claim a violation of their rights are the epitome of selfishness. Today the White house admin announced that if everything is done perfectly, we might only lose 100,000 to 200,000 lives. In this country, the former world leader. The so called richest nation. Unbelievable.

Original G March 30, 2020 at 3:23 PM

Lucky it’s not New Jersey, … 40 to 50 people in a family’s front yard and in front of a home. Man and Woman charged with five counts of child endangerment.

https://abc7ny.com/lakewood-couple-accused-of-defying-social-gathering-order/6062285/

Atticus Thraxx March 30, 2020 at 3:04 PM

I didn’t live through it, but when I thinking on what was asked of previous generations for the benefit of our country and that all we’re really being asked to do is stay put and we can’t even do that. We will deserve whatever fate brings us.

Another Teacher March 30, 2020 at 3:15 PM

I wish we could put up a list of people that are opting out of the “Shelter In Place” so they can be avoided by everyone else. They seem so proud that they aren’t following the orders, they should be willing to give their full name, photo, and GPS location at all times. That way, when they become infected with Covid, it will be easier to track where they have been and who they have been in contact with. I wish people would grow up and think about others.

Hanne Jeppesen March 30, 2020 at 3:28 PM

Another Teacher, You to make a lot of sense. What makes these people think they are so special that they can do whatever the want, even if there is a danger to their fellow human beings.

parent March 30, 2020 at 5:23 PM

Violation of the shelter in place is a misdemeanor, I believe. I was at Costco yesterday for essential shopping (milk, eggs and meat). I was at Petco today for cat food. Both of these in Concord. I filled my vehicle yesterday at Rotten Robbie on Contra Costa Blvd.

I stay away from people, though most stay away from me because i have a chronic post nasal drip allergy almost all year long. I wipe my hands when I get in vehicle and wash them as soon as I walk in the house.

I am not special, but I am citizen of this country. There is no marital law that says that I cannot leave my house. I am doing what I NEED to do Hanne Jeppesen, not what I want. I want to go back to my office. I want to see my sons play sports again. I want to be able to enjoy time with my entire family and not just my household.

Danger to our fellow human beings. Let’s see, knowing you have a cold, flu, SARS, or SARS2 (COVID-19 for those that you that don’t they COVID-19 is a variation of SARS), mean you stay home because you are sick- if you do not, you are a danger to our fellow human beings. Knowing you have asthma, COPD, CHF means you stay away from sick people so that you do not have medical complications- if you do not, you are a danger to our fellow human beings. If you smoke in public, you harm folks. If you smoke in your house around children, you harm them. Those are dangerous and are historically and data-driven more dangerous then SARS2. So why are you not up in arms about that? Each one of the examples I provided will kill you just as well as SARS2.

S March 30, 2020 at 5:56 PM

Parent, seems you could plan your trips a bit better….

S March 30, 2020 at 5:58 PM

Another Teach… , you may be getting your GPS wish…

this from another media source:
https://www.kron4.com/news/california-gets-a-for-practicing-social-distancing-study-finds/

1791 April 1, 2020 at 10:12 AM

parent,

When attempting to have back-n-forth with Hanne, be sure to identify as conservative or liberal, left or right, up or down. This is how she determines if you are “special” in her world.

JWB April 1, 2020 at 12:24 PM

@ parent
“Knowing you have asthma, COPD, CHF means you stay away from sick people ”

Maybe you should hold back on medical advise, as a matter of fact there are many more conditions at risk of severe COVID disease other than asthma, COPD, CHF, in particular diabetes, hypertension and cancer.

“In an article published in JAMA, Zunyou Wu, MD, and Jennifer M. McGoogan, PhD, summarized the findings from a February report on 44,672 confirmed cases of the disease from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention. The overall case-fatality rate (CFR) at that stage was 2.3% (1,023 deaths of the 44,672 confirmed cases). The data indicated that the CFR was elevated among COVID-19 patients with preexisting comorbid conditions, specifically, cardiovascular disease (CFR, 10.5%), diabetes (7.3%), chronic respiratory disease (6.3%), hypertension (6%), and cancer (5.6%).”

Also the virus is not called SARS2. SARS is an acronym standing for severe acute respiratory syndrome, The virus is called SARS-CoV-2 and while it has a lot of similarity to SARS-CoV, the coronavirus (CoV) that caused SARS in 2002, it is not just a variation of SARS-CoV.

Gittyup April 1, 2020 at 12:28 PM

@Henna It’s still a free country, last time I checked, although your kind would have it otherwise.

Anon March 30, 2020 at 4:02 PM

Do you mean the empty Hospitals around Claycord?
I’ll back it up and show my face buddy. Start with the three Empty Tents at the County Hospital in Martinez, then I’ll go to John Muir and Kaiser Walnut Creek.

Nothing going on. ALL LIES.
Comply, Comply, Comply. You are a Traitor.

Rob March 30, 2020 at 6:35 PM

IMHO – all of the folks who tell us that this is all overblown, that just do blah, blah, blah and all will be well.

Please update your Trust / Will so that if you end up getting what you are so cavalier about that you will not seek or accept treatment and will give the spot to someone else.

If you’re not willing to do that – you should rethink your views.

Hanne Jeppesen March 30, 2020 at 7:38 PM

Somewhat mean spirited, but I get the sentiment. Hopefully karma is working like it is suppose to.

Hanne Jeppesen March 31, 2020 at 12:51 AM

Parent, There is a difference between going out of get the things you need from the stores that are open. I’m a cat lover, don’t have one now, but I certainly understand getting cat food and groceries. I go out and get necessities, but I keep my distance, wipe everything down, and only go out a few times a week. I think what commenters here are objecting to, is those that seem to want to go out just to spite the shelter in place. This is not forever, we can all make a few sacrifices for a few months, won’t kill us. My daughter is expecting my second grandchild in just 2 weeks, don’t know when I will be able to see him, hopefully sometime in May.

Several comments here make a lot of sense, and Old School’s comment about the nurse is really eye opening. Hats off to those on the front line so to speak.

Ven Xeter March 30, 2020 at 6:39 PM

Years of fake political news and over hyped stories like Zika virusand Ebola just to get ratings and clicks.

Coming ice age (1970’s)… no, global warming (2000’s)….wait, no, climate change! – Over exaggerated “science” by slimy academics scaring people to get larger grants to fund their research.

No wonder so many people are skeptical if and when the real thing comes along.

Gittyup March 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM

Right on. Crisis fatigue sets in eventually and one ceases to care. about another fabricated, looming disaster.

chuckie the troll March 30, 2020 at 6:40 PM

I do appreciate getting updates on actual cases of the Chinese Corona virus in our county and state. The fact is that we haven’t yet seen the giant spike in infections and deaths the experts predicted. So seeing an accurate count is helpful. Be nice if they would offer the stats for hospitalizations and deaths from the flu, suicide, etc…for this same time period to give some context to these numbers.

As for the science…virus action and spread, possible new tests, vaccines and treatments, I will listen to the CDC. They are the experts, they are receiving data from around the world.

Annoyed March 30, 2020 at 6:52 PM

Be sure to take photos and share them when you do, Anon! Data is data, and I can’t wait for you to provide some!

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Barbie Girl March 30, 2020 at 9:58 PM

I am a freedom loving Independent . However, 3 of our friends and my cousin got CV. One girl age 20 died, the other 3 have been so sick, including shortness of breath. They are all healthy, in their 20s with no underlying health issues. Two of them relapsed after 12 days. So please get your crap at the store, don’t stroll the aisles because youre bored and get out. And then stay home. And don’t get in a persons personal space at the store please. As for people who just “have to go to church or youll die”—-church is not a building. It’s the body of believers. Stay home, watch services online, television, read your bible and pray. Because we need it!

Ilovepopcorn March 31, 2020 at 7:11 AM

Thank you. Wake up people. This is going to be a rough ride. Stay home. I am sick of people complaining and blaming the government and politicians. Listen to them. Who cares if they are in control? You better be in control too. Grow up and be responsible for one another.
I have four members in a different state that got this and they are sick but will pull out of this. Very real. I feel thankful to be able to stay home and to do far be safe. This will pass but we will never ever be the same. Many bumps in the road ahead.

Joe K March 30, 2020 at 11:11 PM

I’m all seriousness, has anyone checked on the Purple People…

chuckie the troll March 31, 2020 at 9:33 AM

The Purple People Eaters are fat and sassy.

Ano March 31, 2020 at 1:25 AM

Anon is right about kaiser being empty. A friend of mine got bit by a snake and had to go to the Walnut Creek campus. It was a ghost town. They screened them from the parking lot and then took them in. They were out so fast and did not wait for a second for anything.

eyeseeyou March 31, 2020 at 9:24 AM

nothing happening in hospitals? shelter in place must be working.

Sign from Above March 31, 2020 at 11:18 AM

@ Anon

“Start with the three Empty Tents at the County Hospital in Martinez”

There you go! I gave you your rope and you so quickly wrapped it around your neck! As I said, uneducated and ill-informed banter. I have relatives that work at that hospital and I can assure you they are NOT empty tents! They’re not part of the big mean machine you believe is out to control us all, so they have no reason to exaggerate! But you go right ahead and believe your own propaganda!

You’ll really be concerned with the additional beds being set up at Alhambra High School. They’re doing that because they have so many empty beds at the main hospital that they just wanted to throw money and resources away in an attempt to control YOU!

Saltypirate March 31, 2020 at 2:11 PM

Salty Here..

Conspiracy huh. As Sign from above said. Go look at the makeshift tents at Alhambra. Dont make ignorant comments and or diminish the severity of what’s going on.

Hopefully you aren’t out spreading more then your lameA$$ comments like on this thread.

Salty OUT!

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