Concord Council To Hear About Suggested “Complete Streets” Improvements

January 13, 2020 10:00 am · 98 comments

The Concord City Council on Tuesday will discuss a study that offers suggested improvements on three major local streets, including Willow Pass Road.

The three-phase Complete Streets Feasibility Study was compiled with the help of a $177,060 Caltrans grant in December 2017.

The study includes data gathering, public input, and technical analysis into the development of complete street design concepts for portions of Willow Pass Road, Cowell Road and Galindo Street.

Proposed improvements include:

    • Willow Pass Road: between Market Street and Landana Drive, creating new bicycle lanes through a combination of closing traffic lanes and eliminating street parking, helping provide connections with existing bike lanes on Salvio Street and Grant Street via Parkside Drive to the downtown area.
    • Galindo Street: between Willow Pass Road and Cowell Road in the downtown area, providing improved pedestrian and bicycling amenities and simplifying some of the vehicle traffic lanes.
    • Cowell Road: its entire length, from Galindo Street to Ygnacio Valley Road, narrowing traffic lanes and providing “enhanced pedestrian and bike facilities” along the entire length. Plans for widening Cowell north of Treat Boulevard would be put on hold.

City staff recommends Council seek pursuing grant funding for the major Willow Pass Road projects, and “refinement” of the project concepts on Galindo and Cowell.

Tuesday’s Concord City Council meeting begins at 6 p.m. at City Hall, 1950 Parkside Drive.

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NoMoreFreeRide January 13, 2020 at 10:19 AM

How about the rest of Oak Grove from Whitman to Treat Blvd? Drove on Minert Rd., West of Oak Grove the other day and it’s falling apart.

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Mark January 13, 2020 at 1:44 PM

My thoughts exactly.

james January 13, 2020 at 2:37 PM

Sorry,Minert Rd is Walnut Creek,talk to them.

DAVE January 13, 2020 at 3:26 PM

Why would they do half of Oak Grove to Treat a year or two ago and not do the whole Job to Treat. Worse from Whitman to Treat! Now everyone is by passing all that and going down Whitman to cut Over to David. Whitman needs complete repairs also from Oak Grove to Gatoun. It’s Also a speed way in the mornings from 7:20 to 8:30 and same mid to late afternoons. Plus PGE makes it a Short Cut for their huge trucks taring apart the road. Instead of taking Oak Gove to David. This a residential area, not a freeway or by pass. Needs to get monitored.

SoConcord January 15, 2020 at 10:40 PM

I believe Oak Grove is slated to be done in 2021. The road is atrocious.

whatever January 13, 2020 at 10:19 AM

How about we start with just fixing the streets we have, rather than “enhancing”.

Oak Grove from Monument to the WC line is a fine example of the Oregon Trail in a covered wagon. Yet, they’ve replaced Whitman Rd. from Oak Grove to Detroit TWICE in the last few years.

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Anon January 13, 2020 at 11:02 AM

Most likely Whitman to Detroit Ave was redone as they ruined it when they changed it from four lanes to two for the EMPTY bike lanes because they received special funding. Same thing with the way they ruined Detroit with all of the stop signs.
If it involves Agenda 21…..anything goes.

Sign from Above January 13, 2020 at 11:25 AM

I completely agree. We have far too many streets in Concord that are deteriorated! Lets spend the money on repaving (not spot fixing) them instead of enhancing a few. The enhancements would be nice once we are at baseline. But we are nowhere near baseline at this point.

Bill Cutting January 13, 2020 at 10:20 AM

I can see some of the upgrades looking good I’m OK with cleaning up the roads repaving them but more than just those locations. Another thing you guys seem to not notice is light timing they are not timed well at many intersections. I definitely wouldn’t approve any more apartments or condos in Concord I don’t think the infrastructure could take any more than you’re throwing at it.

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Stove January 13, 2020 at 10:27 AM

Definitely a needed upgrade to these major arteries on Concord.

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Cowellian January 13, 2020 at 10:30 AM

I don’t know what plans they had to widen Cowell between Treat and YV, but they really need a turn lane in front of the school.

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The Wizard January 13, 2020 at 10:32 AM

Fix the potholes, less bike lanes.

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Turn n Burn January 13, 2020 at 12:10 PM

Exactly!!!

Cellophane January 13, 2020 at 10:33 AM

I can’t help but wonder what’s driving these projects? Special interests perhaps?

Every street in Concord needs to be torn out and rebuilt.

But only streets that have “special interests” to the Council get attention and bike lanes.

Nothing like favoritism by the Council to those who are generous with campaign donations.

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Stupid Should Hurt January 13, 2020 at 12:08 PM

Cellophane:

Soccer Stadium special interests.
All these roads will lead to it.

Goob January 13, 2020 at 1:10 PM

Unions drive stuff like this.

Walter January 13, 2020 at 1:24 PM

Agenda 30 mandates these kin of roadway changes

chuckie the troll January 13, 2020 at 4:35 PM

The Bike groups are probably the largest, best organized special interest group. They insist on spending money collected from the drivers of gas powered cars to underwrite their transportation.

BTW- It isn’t ‘complete streets’ it’s COMPLETE GRIDLOCK!

Lynne Ellis January 13, 2020 at 10:36 AM

Denkinger needs help

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Sign from Above January 13, 2020 at 11:27 AM

Yes it does!!

Simonpure January 13, 2020 at 10:36 AM

Denkinger Road please. Have to see my dentist every time I take that road.

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juan January 13, 2020 at 10:40 AM

What the heck do they need to source new funding for. Concord has a higher property tax amount than more expensive communities and Concord has a real low percentage of Prop13 residences.
Maybe the city council should look into how they and department managers are mis using tax dollars

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Jimyjam January 13, 2020 at 10:41 AM

I have a suggestion. How about just repaving them and all the others?
And when you do it, learn how to make them even and smooth without all the bumps like they do in other States.
Maybe there could be a gas tax or something that is for paying for it?
Oh, never mind…..

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Sign from Above January 13, 2020 at 11:29 AM

Yeah never mind. Don’t even say that as a joke!! These knuckleheads will jump at that idea!

Dawg January 13, 2020 at 10:43 AM

Meadow Lane through Oak Grove Rd and Farm Bureau Rd. need smoothing out.

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Antler January 13, 2020 at 10:45 AM

There seems to be a major “disconnect” with City’s thinking re major arterials such as Cowell Road. Please leave that type of route almost entirely for motorized vehicles! For safety reasons, pedestrians and bicyclists are much better off using “surface” roads (neighborhood roads).

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Concord Mike January 13, 2020 at 11:58 AM

Antler, you are so right. Most bike routes should be through residential neighborhoods and not on major arterials.

Why is the city cutting down on vehicular traffic and pushing dedicated bike lanes on major arterials?

The bicycle lobby (bike Concord) is the most persistent and informed citizens lobby in Concord. They attend every meeting on their issue and are very effective in driving city policy in their direction.

Although 95% of the Concord population will never, ever use a bike for anything other than recreation, the 5% that do are very devoted to their cause. I admire them for that, although I disagree with some of their proposals.

Xennial January 13, 2020 at 12:20 PM

There are no surface roads that connect between say Turtle Creek road and Concord BART. If you look at a map between Lime ridge and Clayton road only Clayton road and Cowell have bridges which pass over the canal.

And choosing between making Cowell or Clayton road bicycle accessible clearly Cowell is the better choice.

Concord Mike January 13, 2020 at 4:04 PM

Xennisl, you said “ And choosing between making Cowell or Clayton road bicycle accessible clearly Cowell is the better choice“ . I actually agree with you on that. With sufficient road widening, a bike lane and vehicular traffic can work on Cowell.

Problem is the current “complete streets” design proposal does insufficient widening to the great detriment of vehicular traffic.

Sick of it January 13, 2020 at 10:52 AM

Cut the BS for bikes and pedestrians til the the main body of the road is fixed. Our streets are some of the worst in the nation and need serious repairs and not this cut and patch that has been going on. Spend the money on repairing the actual streets before anything else

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Nature Lover January 13, 2020 at 12:09 PM

Amen to that. I have NEVER seen a bicycle rider in ANY of those green bike lanes around town.

Xennial January 13, 2020 at 12:23 PM

It is almost like decades of deferred maintenance and omitting future road maintenance from budgets (until recently – thank you Concord for finally including these costs in the long-range budget) has had a negative impact on our roads which we are only now paying the price.

tashaj January 13, 2020 at 9:05 PM

Have to disagree. The biggest problem of our transportation policies is that they are invariably pitting different road users against each other. Like these projects, which favor bicycles (and somewhat pedestrians) to the detriment of vehicular (especially commuter) traffic. Doing it the other way – favoring vehicles over bicycles and pedestrians – would be equally foolish.
Yes, Cowell is a major commute artery. Often not by choice, but because commuter traffic on larger streets (like Treat, Ygnacio and Clayton) is deliberately throttled by the timing of lights.
At the same time there are a lot of people walking and jogging along it. Their safety and convenience has to be considered as well.

TOB January 13, 2020 at 11:04 AM

As I understood from post from previous Mayor last year. This summer they will be paving Oak Grove and Treat. Went out for bidding last year and set for this summer. Mentioned “MANY” times over on Nextdoor this past 6 months.

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Jojo Potato January 13, 2020 at 11:09 AM

Did any of you actually read the article? These changes all are geared to making more room for bicycles and pedestrians. Sounds great to me but not so much for the gas guzzling crowd. When it all happens don’t come back with the old “we were never informed” excuse. You’ve been warned.

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Sign from Above January 13, 2020 at 11:33 AM

Like it or not, the roadways are primarily there for vehicles.

Signed: A member of the “gas guzzling crowd.”

Silva January 13, 2020 at 12:06 PM

Like it or not, the roads are for everyone to travel on. However you want, even with your team of mules.😉

Walter January 13, 2020 at 1:27 PM

@Silva Actually mules are banned.

james January 13, 2020 at 2:35 PM

Its now illegal to ride your farm animals on the streets on Concord.Making some relocate.

L train January 13, 2020 at 11:26 AM

fix the streets and stop adding bike lanes, all our streets are horrible……..
Does Concord get Money for adding bike lanes?

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james January 13, 2020 at 2:41 PM

Yes.If you know Concord,they won’t do anything without a payoff.They cant even enforce traffic laws without a grant

Gititogether January 13, 2020 at 11:32 AM

Why in the world has 1650 Monument been allowed to jut out into the street causing a dash & merge problem on this major artery for so long? And, why is this never addressed and corrected…and is still ignored? Big believer that Eminent Domain should never be abused, but there is no apparent rationale and likely even zero impact to this business for acquiring this sliver of property and widening Monument at this bottleneck.

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Ozzie January 13, 2020 at 11:35 AM

Use to ride my bike to work down Cowell. Some parts were dangerous and some were wide enough for the bike. A bike lane would be nice

Concord where families come first. Not cars

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slagheap January 13, 2020 at 12:44 PM

+1, Ozzie. Absolutely.

tashaj January 13, 2020 at 9:14 PM

So adding a bike lane to make for an easier commute for you personally would make a “Concord where families come first”? And screw the families whose members have to use the same Cowell for commuting by car in order to make a living.
Self-aggrandizing much?

Kirkwood January 13, 2020 at 11:42 AM

Looks like Concord will spend $177K on green and white paint for empty bike lanes. When was the last time you saw a bicycle downtown?

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Stupid Should Hurt January 13, 2020 at 12:12 PM

The 177k was to fund the “study”. Not even going towards improvements.
I could tell them what roads need improvement for alot less than that.

Old-school guy January 13, 2020 at 2:16 PM

I see cyclist downtown every day, usually riding irresponsibly on sidewalks, etc. ignoring the existing bike lanes.

Frede P. January 13, 2020 at 11:48 AM

If they’re widening the streets for bike lanes/sidewalks, then the cost of that additional width should not be borne by the gas taxes.

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Xennial January 13, 2020 at 7:39 PM

Gas taxes do not go to pay for any local roads which are paid for by the cities. If you look it up, you’ll see gas taxes pay for (1) highways, (2) highway patrol; and (3) DMV.

FYI: I had a previous comment which seems to have never been posted. Maybe because it had a link to my cited sources? Does Claycord not allow citing sources with links? If my previous comment pops up here later I apologize for the repeat.

Fred January 13, 2020 at 12:14 PM

Seems like a lot of money and time just to pick 3 streets that need to be repaved.

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Winston January 13, 2020 at 12:36 PM

Concord’s large arterial roads are dangerous and obsolete. The reason you see few bikes and pedestrians is that the roads are designed to be unsafe for anyone other than drivers. Adding bike lanes etc. makes the roads safer for bikes, pedestrians and cars. Besides, all of our roads are congested by cut through traffic from East County anyway and most of those folks will just switch back to the freeway if Concord provides them with less road space.

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tashaj January 13, 2020 at 9:31 PM

Ah – here is your bicycle lobby trying to BS their way through…
First, painted bicycles lanes don’t make roads safer for bicyclists. In reality, they often make them more dangerous. Here is one study, there are others:
https://www.peoplepoweredmovement.org/study-shows-painted-bike-lanes-arent-enough/
Second, you must be living on Pluto if you still think that throttling cut-through traffic on large streets would force commuters back to the freeways. In reality, they just take to the side streets that are utterly unfit for the task.
Third, even though you’ve thrown in pedestrians for a good measure, you aren’t fooling anybody. Unlike controlled crosswalks, bicycle lanes do exactly nothing for pedestrian safety.

slagheap January 14, 2020 at 3:50 PM

100% correct. A rational comment, and much needed here.

Roz January 13, 2020 at 12:39 PM

I agree there are many streets that need to be fixed.
Also, yes, there are main streets that are dangerous for bike cycling or even cars to be parked on,… which are some of the streets that are going to be addressed at the meeting tonight. Since I have seen folks riding their bikes on Willow Pass Rd., from Landana Dr. to down town, I am surprised there hasn’t been more folks getting hit. So, can imagine this would help out with other main streets to cycle on too. Hopefully other street will be addressed in the near future,….wishful thinking for the safety of all.

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Boycott The Circus January 13, 2020 at 12:42 PM

I’m sorry City of Concord, how about Oak Grove Rd and Treat Blvd? Better yet, pretty much most of Concord needs to be paved!

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Gittyup January 13, 2020 at 2:26 PM

Oak Gove from Ygnacio to Treat is a WASHBOARD. So is Clayton Road from Ygnacio to about Ayers. Yet, a section of Pine Hollow near some newly-built million dollar homes was completely repaved recently. Misplaced priorities and planned neglect have given Concord the worst streets around.

slagheap January 13, 2020 at 12:48 PM

100% in agreement with all three items, particularly the proposed Willow Pass Road improvement ( it’s nearest to me. ) I will be at the meeting.

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james January 13, 2020 at 3:10 PM

That’s gotta be tough having no drivers licence and no way to get a car.

Roz January 13, 2020 at 4:18 PM

Planning to attend the meeting too.

slagheap January 13, 2020 at 5:33 PM

I don’t understand your post, but I can help with spelling lessons if you ask nicely.

james January 14, 2020 at 12:24 AM

That’s gotta be tough having nothing left to do but pick on spelling
mi speljung es jes fyn

Walter January 13, 2020 at 1:22 PM

Good to see our tax dollars going to ridiculous and wasteful studies that assure Concord’s increase traffic and adherence to agenda 30. Sacrificing traffic lanes will only result in increased traffic jams.

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BagsFlyFree January 13, 2020 at 2:05 PM

What plans were proposed for widening Cowell south of Treat (YV side)? I see a reduction of a lane from 4 to 3 proposed on the city site for half of it. One big question with all these new bike lanes is how property owners who are on Cowell/Willow Pass will still need to access their property driveways often leaving 35 mph speed to park. These paths while nice will still be hazardous when owners back out or enter the already tight spaces out front.

Looking forward, you should see a reduction in Pittsburg cut through traffic for WP, and also Cowell removing one of its lanes South of Treat (YV side) which mostly turns left onto Treat in the morning.

BFF Out!

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slagheap January 13, 2020 at 8:37 PM

Re commute traffic reduction on WP – a sagacious observation. That alone is a good reason to proceed with the improvement.

Gargoyle January 13, 2020 at 2:06 PM

As long as they raise the tally of Ped Xing signs from 6-8 for each crosswalk to 10-12, plus a middle of the road pop-up, it’d be okay.

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gimli January 13, 2020 at 2:06 PM

Hello, I commute by bike to work and appreciate having the space to do so safely. If available I use the shoulder to avoid confrontation with drivers. It’s a very economical way to travel while avoiding 1) BART parking fees. 2) fuel + maintenance costs of a POV. 3) rush hour car traffic. I will appreciate the council approving bike lanes for myself and others’ usage. Although you might not notice us; adults bike all the time to many places around Concord. Enjoy being outside in this great California weather. Thanks.

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Gittyup January 13, 2020 at 2:14 PM

Strange that one never sees all these bicyclists in and around Concord for which the City Council is providing the multitude of biking “amenities.” Instead, Concord streets are clogged with hellish traffic, in demonic disrepair, and raging with satanic signal timing. It seems the priorities with the City Council are grossly misplaced and nothing short of an exorcism is going to get them back in order. That, or vote this bunch out and start over. The later might be easier.

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BagsFlyFree January 13, 2020 at 2:40 PM

Concord is unique in that it gets penalized for accommodating traffic towards its outer edges, which become cut throughs for East county. Example… If Bailey were to be widened, thousands would flood Concord blvd instantly.

Once these shortcuts are reduced, and no longer work, traffic should spill back onto highway 4 both directions, leaving locals with some relief. Local residents benefit with reduced traffic during peak hours, and safer travel via bike/walking.

BFF Out!

Anonymous January 13, 2020 at 3:10 PM

“Satanic signal timing “
Exactly right Gittyup.

Winston January 13, 2020 at 3:42 PM

The hellish traffic is a big part of why it’s difficult to bike in Concord. Also, wouldn’t it be nice to not be stuck in it?

james January 13, 2020 at 2:32 PM

An awful plan to make traffic worse,and where are all these pedestrians coming from,esp the bike crowd?Pandering to the liberals again,of course.Come to Concord,we hate cars and love the crowd that cant afford it.

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Rob January 13, 2020 at 2:42 PM
james January 13, 2020 at 2:45 PM

$177,000 to figure out what streets in Concord are bad?Drive around the city for one hour and take notes and it didn’t cost anything.What they are not saying the study was on broken down streets,but they spent money counting cars that travel on these roads to decide where they would actually make these changes,they are not improvements.

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Melissa Giomi January 13, 2020 at 3:07 PM

Fix the roads first! I don’t see a lot of the new bike lanes even being used…don’t cut down the number of lanes…too much traffic around here.

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Tank January 13, 2020 at 3:18 PM

We have a housing crisis, yet no one wants people to build new houses in their back yard (NIMBY) and tout traffic and congestion as one of the biggest concerns. Now we are going to reduce lanes in hopes that it will force people out of their cars because we just made traffic and congestion worse. Are you kidding?

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Joatmeal January 13, 2020 at 3:20 PM

Regardless of what bicycle advocates tell you, backing up traffic to add bike lanes is a bad idea. I’m a bike rider and and riding a bike in Concord absolutely sucks. But to even consider taking away lanes on a busy road such as Willow Pass makes me question the intelligence of the people making these decisions. Get creative, think of other options, but don’t reduce auto lanes to add bike lanes.

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j.a. jacob January 13, 2020 at 4:05 PM

how about Ayers rd and Alberta wy and fix the man hole covers on Cowell.

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Gittyup January 13, 2020 at 9:05 PM

Parts of Alberta Way are also a WASHBOARD.

chuckie the troll January 13, 2020 at 4:21 PM

Using taxes collected from the sale of gas to make roads in Concord less drivable is stupid and corrupt. Once again, Democrats have lied about where that money would actually go. BTW- the fasting growing demographic is people over 65, so we should really have better sidewalks, more ADA parking close to destinations, and less emphasis on bikes, scooters, hoverboards…

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Dennisq January 13, 2020 at 4:24 PM

This is some crazy idea that only a liberal loon could come up with. We have very heavy traffic on Cowell Rd the way it is , and they want to take away a lane to create a bicycle lane? That is freakin stupid. We need more lanes, not less. Not that many bicycles on the road anyway. They did this by Home Depot and I have yet to see anyone but obviously illegal day workers riding bikes there. So we are giving up a lane for them? Insane.

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The Fearless Spectator January 13, 2020 at 10:14 PM

Their idea is that by taking away a lane, drivers will become so inconvenienced and miserable that they will seek other forms of transportation.

As for the bike lanes, their traffic is less populated with bicycles and more populated with stolen shopping carts.

grandmato3 January 13, 2020 at 4:45 PM

These plans are wrong on so many levels. Our streets are packed with cars, it takes forever to get out of town in the morning or back in the evenings. I don’t care about the bike lobby, how about a citizen lobby? Taking lanes away to make more bike lanes is simply not the answer right now. I’m sick of all the pot holes on most major streets yet our council is entertaining putting bike lanes in and making things prettier? Fix our roads first council members. Remember who votes for this next time they’re up for election, I sure will.

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Ozzie January 13, 2020 at 5:26 PM

Well a lot of us don’t care how long it takes you to get out of town. Leave earlier. We shouldn’t try to move as many cars through town at 60 mph as we can. That’s insane.

We want quality of life.

james January 14, 2020 at 12:31 AM

Then go back to Britain ozzie,and pay %60 taxes.Enjoy no guns while getting stabbed as knives are banned.

Bluebird January 13, 2020 at 7:01 PM

“A little less conversation and a lot more Action!” To quote Elvis the King of Rock n Roll.

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Tired January 13, 2020 at 7:37 PM

Why not improve the streets by fixing the pot holes and cracks? What about picking up the garbage on Concord Blvd, Willow Pass, and Clayton Rd.? I hardly see any one riding a bike on any of those streets because people are driving over 50 miles per hour. What a waste of money.

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Atticus Thraxx January 13, 2020 at 7:43 PM

I see, wait until I move then start fixing the roads. With all the sales tax I paid living there you should change Willow Pass to Thraxx Blvd. 💰🛣

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prairiegirl January 14, 2020 at 7:43 AM

Yes, the stretch of Oak Grove between Whitman and Treat is like driving on a washboard. Please, please finish the job that was started from Monument to Whitman!

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grandmato3 January 14, 2020 at 8:37 AM

@Ozzie, Per usual, you speak without knowing information. I don’t work, I’m retired but if I do choose to leave our home in the morning I’m tired of the gridlock of traffic and see no help with bike lanes taking away a car lane.
Who said anything about traveling 60 mph through town? We need our roads fixed from the potholes to the wearing away of the roadway in places. Bike riders are not at the top of the chain until they fix our roads.

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chuckie the troll January 14, 2020 at 10:06 AM

“Those whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.” Pretty much applies to California today.

Or, to misquote Obama, “If you like your roads you can keep your roads.” What’s good for healthcare is good for transportation.

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CFourth January 14, 2020 at 12:04 PM

What about Treat from Clayton Road to De La Salle School? That road is torn up, especially at the Oak Grove crossroad.

Denkinger really needs to be replaced. I’m concerned one day my tire is gonna pop from all the potholes or I’m gonna run into something trying to avoid potholes. Especially when it’s raining!

Willow Pass from Landana all the way to 4 needs to be severely repaved as well, especially due to the speed and volume of traffic. The put up all those stupid little stick barriers between lanes but can’t fix the damn road??

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slagheap January 14, 2020 at 4:02 PM

The reason one sees so few bicyclists in Concord is simple: It’s the worst city this side of Highway 4 for bike commuters. The pathetically few bike lanes that exist are at best a mile or so in length before dumping you off into a danger zone. Build a well connected series of bike lanes – so you can actually get somewhere – and they will be full. The level of backwardness exhibited over this subject is incredible. The funniest thing is that none of you will be at the meeting tonight.

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Tired January 14, 2020 at 5:45 PM

Sounds like someone feathers are ruffled about the pathetic bike lanes. Geez, we only have the best bike trails in CC County that can be traveled all the way to Pleasanton. Waste of dollars and specials interests groups, with their pathetic way of spending money.

james January 14, 2020 at 5:58 PM

Appese the minority and make things impossible and unsafe for the majority.Thats what their plan is.They have run out of space to make anything well connected.More dreaming of radical change that will never happen.Its Concord 2020.they have pocketed the gas tax street money and took a payoff from the backpack biking vegan alternate lifestyle society.They know the majority has the time and money to fight this and it creates job IE more detailed studies due to so much rejection.Its all fluff and busy work.

james January 14, 2020 at 6:03 PM

Not only the Iron Trail but many open spaces where bicycling is very welcome.They spent oodles of money making a safe a scenic bike route for recreation and/or travel,My father rode his bicycle from So Cal to No Cal via bike trails and a good map,before GPS,all you needed was a brain.

Laura N January 14, 2020 at 7:24 PM

Thank you for your comment.

Lowered lifestyle January 15, 2020 at 12:40 PM

Agreed oak grove is the worse possible road to drive on from Whitman all the way to Mitchell needs to be re done it doesn’t even feel like I’m driving over it , more of a slap in my ass cheeks

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