Claycord – Talk About Politics

December 6, 2019 18:17 pm · 117 comments

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Ricardoh December 6, 2019 at 6:57 PM

We are not taking the democrat’s treasonous action against President Trump and our country seriously enough. The democrats think if they remove the president from office that they will gain power and there will be peace in the valley. They could not be farther from the truth. What will actually happen is the downward slide of our country into oblivion. If they think the millions of us Trump supporters are going to take this sitting down they have another think coming. We are not playing Hooks and Ladders with this farce. They are trying to remove a president that we elected and if they ever want peace and prosperity in this country again they had better temper their hatred.

ZZ December 6, 2019 at 7:52 PM

Amen! You’re absolutely right!

Derb December 6, 2019 at 9:33 PM

@Ricardoh
Well actually to me it doesn’t really matter what their party is, Democrat or Republican. Just as long as he/she has a brain in their head unlike Trump! He’s got to go!

Susan I. December 6, 2019 at 11:30 PM

Ricordoh, why is this treasonous? It is the mandate of the Congress to be a check and balance to the presidency, if he has done nothing wrong, it will come out. This is the system we have and I for one believe in it, the good, the bad and the ugly. We all need to pay attention to what happens and what comes out. Both sides are being fed rhetoric that is disrupting our society as we know it.

The best thing about America is that we can have our own opinions and (hopefully) discuss them like adults, without the name-calling and finger-wagging. It happens all the time time and both sides are guilty of it. We are headed down a path that can seriously undermine our way of life in this country, and we need to wake up and see that.

I am starting to believe that those (again on both sides) that resort to name calling and divisive rhetoric are doing the Kremlin’s bidding. We are on a slippery slope and need to be cautious of what we slide into.

Chicken Little December 7, 2019 at 12:09 PM

Politically-motivated impeachment (which is exactly what this is, even if there may be a borderline-impeachable offense) sets a very dangerous precedent. What happens the next time we have a Democratic President with a Republican-controlled House and Senate? All the House has to do is make up some BS to impeach the President and the Senate can vote to remove him. Repeat the process with the new President and you now have a Republican President, House and Senate.Would Democrats be ok with that? I doubt it. They’re being awfully short-sighted.

Yogurt December 7, 2019 at 2:39 PM

Another post of Fox News rhetoric and hot garbage.

Explain what anyone has done that is treasonous.

Pyrrhus December 9, 2019 at 8:46 AM

Republicans are a laughing stock and a bunch of hypocrites. You are trying to tell me that trying to cover up a President’s extramarital affair is worse than pressuring a foreign country to find dirt on a political rival? I don’t even like Clinton and wouldn’t shed a single tear if he were thrown in jail. If it was up to me, Clinton and Trump would be sharing a cell together.

To Do List December 9, 2019 at 10:01 AM

Pyrrhus: If you Google search terms like “CEO resigns affair employee” you will find examples from McDonalds, Intel, Priceline, Boeing and more where the CEO was fired for affairs with employees. An affair is not the issue, it is abusing the power of their position to do that with an employee. The CEO/employee relationship is very one sided in power and rules are in place to limit potential abuse of power by CEOs and senior managers. If Clinton had done this as the CEO of a major corporation he would have been forced to resign. And on another point, I believe Clinton was found to have lied under oath to a Grand Jury, with is a bit of an illegal thing to do.

Captain Bebops December 6, 2019 at 8:05 PM

The downward slide of the US is inevitable even without this. It’s time and system has run out. The folly of this economic system created the situation. Time for something new maybe simpler.

Up to Here December 6, 2019 at 9:26 PM

And you have a degree in history and economics? What do you base your opinion upon ? Perhaps it’s time you moved to Venezuela.
Bebops, you are on here often and you need to get some substance in your writings as you are quite boring and nonsensical.

Captain Bebops December 7, 2019 at 9:24 AM

Venezuela’s problems have been brought on by the wealthy of that country, assisted by foreign governments like the US, in scuttling an attempt to bring on a fairer more democratic government. Same thing happened in Spain back in the 1930s where the rich brought Franco to power to scuttle democracy.

Capitalism is a very unstable economic system. Just look at the recessions and depressions that have occurred in the history of the US. Those who worship money and the unscrupulous game it like a casino to their advantage at the expense of the majority of the population.

Sick of it December 7, 2019 at 9:58 AM

Captain. You need to do a lot more research and educate yourself a bit more.

Ricardoh December 7, 2019 at 2:54 PM

Captain Bebops sorry you are doing so poorly in life that you hold those thoughts. Must be miserable being you.

Captain Bebops December 8, 2019 at 9:17 AM

You all can keep saying this until the cows come home but I don’t use FOX Snooze for my history and economic lessons. If you look at the real history of the US there have been numerous recessions even more than one depression. It’s been a rather rocky road. Imaging that things are great when they aren’t won’t make things any better.

Bob December 6, 2019 at 8:29 PM

Serious question for the Dem voter base.

What have they done for you lately?

Yogurt December 7, 2019 at 2:45 PM

What has Trump done?

The tax cuts only help out the 1% and has pushed us closer to a recession every day.

Where is that wall that Mexico is paying for?

The China trade war has gone well. More small family farms have declared bankruptcy in the past year because of the trade war, then ever before. That is including the massive bailout he has used to pay the farmers. It was double what Obama gave the auto industry in a huge recession that he inherited from Bush

He tried to take people’s healthcare, he cut food stamps from 700,000 people.

He doesn’t care about the air we breath or the water we drink.

He doesn’t care that he is helping hostile foreign governments

Gittyup December 7, 2019 at 4:18 PM

That wasn’t the question, Yogurt.

Yogurt December 7, 2019 at 5:45 PM

Well ok then.

Democrats have kept health care alive for millions of people who would have otherwise lost it. They also pulled us out of the biggest recession since the 20’s.

They helped regulate businesses to keep 08 from happening again and actually try to help the environment.

Now there are a few, what has trump done

Gittyup December 8, 2019 at 9:14 AM

Jellyfinger, Rollo Tomasi, and others clearly enumerated what Trump has done for the nation in last weeks Politics thread. You might want to refer to it if you have questions.

Rollo Tomasi December 9, 2019 at 4:28 PM

“What has Trump done?”

Yogurt, you”ll get nothing more until you review the responses to your question in last week’s column. I look forward to you explaining that all those things are just continuations of Obama’s policies (for which I’m sure you’ll provide verifiable support), or that they weren’t done in timely enough fashion, or that they only benefited the President and his associates, or whatever other BS you think the dullards here will believe.

jjshawk December 6, 2019 at 10:49 PM

Trump deserves to be our President, at least, until he can be defeated in an election. I am burnt-out on all of the impeachment mumbo-jumbo.

Bobfished December 6, 2019 at 11:04 PM

This will be the new norm now. Democrat elected as president, Republican house they will impeach the president. For no reason. Republicans elected president, Democrat house they will impeach the president, no reason.

Susan I. December 6, 2019 at 11:36 PM

Let’s hope not, I believe this is our system at work. And if we want to talk real obstruction let’s look at the Grim Reaper, Mitch McConnell. Republicans love what he has done, but politics are cyclical and are based in precedent.

There are grounds to examine the actions of this president. If Obama had left such a clear trail of evidence, you don’t think the Republican controlled Congress would have impeached? Folks forget that Clinton was impeached with far less. This is not about taking down a president, if he is innocent than the evidence will lead us there.

Sick of it December 7, 2019 at 10:00 AM

And for that reason we should clear out a lot of the old school by using our power as the voters that put them in office. This country was founded on the belief it is for the people, not those in office

THE BLACK KNIGHT December 7, 2019 at 3:44 PM

Susan I.,

In your previous post above you stated “I am starting to believe that those (again on both sides) that resort to name calling and divisive rhetoric are doing the Kremlin’s bidding,” then on your most recent post you stated “And if we want to talk real obstruction let’s look at the Grim Reaper, Mitch McConnell.” You engaged in name calling, so by your own definition you are doing the “Kremlin’s bidding,” you are an agent of Vladimir Putin!

Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is doing his job just as former Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid did his, and just as Democrat Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer would be doing his job if he were Senate Majority Leader. They’re all the same, there’s no difference in what they’re doing!

No, the Republican controlled Congress would never have impeached President Obama, because they would’ve been accused of impeaching him because of his race, no matter what he did. Had our national corporate media covered President Obama like they cover President Trump then we would’ve found out much more about what President Obama and his administration were doing. Press and media coverage for President Obama was 90% positive and 10% negative, while coverage of President Trump has been 10% positive and 90% negative, because our national corporate press and media made the decision to protect and defend President Obama at all costs, just as they made the decision to attack and destroy President Trump at all costs. There’s not going to be a 180 degree swing in the coverage of two consecutive Presidents throughout their entire terms unless that is done by design!

Susan I. December 7, 2019 at 11:16 PM

Black Knight, I will respond to the only factual claim you mentioned me calling McConnell the grim reaper. Guess what, I learned that from FOX Real Clear Politics.. he dubbed himself that moniker, not me.

THE BLACK KNIGHT December 8, 2019 at 9:49 PM

Susan I.,

How kind of you to subjectively determine and point out what aspects of my post are factual to you.

I’m not familiar with “FOX Real Clear Politics,” but you are correct that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has referred to himself as the “Grim Reaper,” not generally though, but in the contexts of certain situations, and according to CNN, it was Democrats that gave him that name. More importantly, we all know that when someone uses a word to describe themselves, that under the current rules of political correctness, that that doesn’t make it acceptable for someone else to use that word to describe that individual. So, in general and under the current rules of political correctness you still engaged in name calling, and by your definition, you “are doing the Kremlin’s bidding.”

Given the description in your sentence of “And if we want to talk real obstruction let’s look at the Grim Reaper, Mitch McConnell,” you also effectively called him an “obstructionist,” so again, by your definition, you have been “doing the Kremlin’s bidding.”

The days of having Senate Majority Leaders like George Mitchell, Howard Baker, and Bob Dole are long gone, the Senate Majority Leaders like Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell and Senate Minority Leader and likely future Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer are the new norm, just as impeachment is also likely the new norm. The fact is we don’t even need Senate Majority Leaders, they haven’t even existed in the U.S. Senate for 100 years yet!

Gittyup December 9, 2019 at 4:54 AM

Susan I. “… I learned that from FOX Real Clear Politics …” I’m confused by your reference to “FOX Real Clear Politics.” Real Clear Politics is not owned by Fox, nor vice versa. Real Clear Politics is a news aggregator owned by Real Clear Investors and Crest Media. It aggregates both liberal and conservative views drawn from a variety of sources. It also employs its own contributors. Was the news article you refer to drawn from a Fox News contributor which appeared on Real Clear Politics? Thank you in advance for the clarification.

Rollo Tomasi December 9, 2019 at 4:57 PM

@ Susan I.:

“Folks forget that Clinton was impeached with far less.”

You seem to have forgotten that Clinton had lied in a sworn deposition (that’s perjury, a defined crime) regarding Paula Jones’ sexual harassment lawsuit. Was it impeachable? I didn’t think so then, and I don’t now. To this point, the Dems have failed to make their case for extortion, bribery or even quid pro quo (not a crime). If someone testifies with first hand knowledge that the President’s MOTIVES for requesting the Biden investigation were something other than a suspicion of corruption in a country to whom we were prepared to provide enormous amounts of lethal aid, with or without the extortion/bribery aspect, they might build a case on that.

Hanne Jeppesen December 6, 2019 at 11:12 PM

What have the Republicans done for us lately. I’m elderly, one of the first baby boomer, mostly middle of the road, believe in a strong defense, fiscal responsibility, a strong supporter of Israel (where I lived for several months in the mid sixties) also a strong supporter of the environment, since I love to hike and visit Yosemite, Tahoe, the Gold Country. I’m not really wetted to any party, although for the most party I identify as Democrat, RFK and JFK are my political heroes. As for Republicans although I didn’t like all of their policies, I did think both Gerald Ford and Bush 41 was nice decent men, don’t see much like them in todays republicans, but don’t really see many democrats that I think has the ideas and charisma to get elected.

Susan I. December 6, 2019 at 11:22 PM

I’m going to ask a serious question here, non-partisan.. If you had to choose between our country continuing as the great democratic republic that it is or going to a different form of government which would it be? What government structure would you prefer and why? I am very interested in finding out what folks think, regardless of your political affiliation. Thanks in advance for a real response, without sarcasm or attacks on others.

The Fearless Spectator December 7, 2019 at 8:33 AM

I believe historically the US democracy has done a better job for people than any other form of government.

What we are experiencing right now is simply childish behavior by leaders who should know better, and electronic media to broadcast said stupidity in real time. Many adults find this irritating.

Chicken Little December 7, 2019 at 9:29 AM

For the most part, I like our system of government exactly the way it is. I would change a few details though, like adding congressional term limits and possibly making Supreme Court justices elected positions rather than appointed.

Nature Lover December 7, 2019 at 9:35 AM

@Susan: Despite the flaws, the system we have is preferable to any other in the world today.

Justifiable anger December 7, 2019 at 10:23 AM

Our Constitution was set up to benefit the lower and middle.class. The fact that humans have corrupted the system is no shock. It is our nature. That said, other aspects could be tuned up.

All government jobs need the money disbursement changed. Especially now, knowing the desire for equalized salaries and growing need for services to disadvantaged people. Socialism of a sort. This is especially directed at benefits given to managers, pensioners and politicians. Since they live off of tax payers money, they need to pare down privileges in order make room for all. Certainly the upper devisions of this group should NEVER be in a position to pass out raises. Your people are socialists, live with it.

Prisons need a strict governance, but I would implement work farms for those willing to learn how to transition into society. Addicts may never adjust and could stay on work farms permanently. Work is key to self esteem and recovery.

Health care and medical team. For many, a simple requirement of exercise and healthy diet would solve many propensities. A country as wealthy as us should be able to provide for those in serious need. Closed borders until we fill this obligation to citizens. A reward system for doctors who donate services

The private sector, entrepreneurs, artists, regular folks, tradesmen etc. Could move along like we always have. Freedom.

To Do List December 7, 2019 at 12:02 PM

I support the current system. There are of course problems that could be addressed such as term and possibly age limits as mentioned above. I doubt, for example, the latest Supreme Court justice who is sick could win a game of Connect 4 against any of us. There are two points on this. One is I think it is important to separate out the arguments about government from the actual people. Many were very unhappy with the previous president but few were calling for going to another form of government. These guys come and go and if you are unhappy with them, just wait for a few years instead of moving to revolution. Second it is better to live with the devil you know rather than the devil you don’t. There are sufficient examples of other types of governments and if you have talked with enough people you know they have worse problems.

Gittyup December 7, 2019 at 2:28 PM

Actually, I’m quite happy with our form of government. There are a few minor things I’d change, but nothing that would alter what was envisioned by the framers of the Constitution. I believe the problems we are currently seeing are more a result of “personalities” rather than our form of government, perhaps exacerbated by societal and cultural changes which have caused an unsettled and somewhat chaotic period in our nation’s history.

jjshawk December 7, 2019 at 11:22 PM

Our current form of Government under the US Constitution has a good framework. The only things I would like changed, have enumerated, have specified in our Constitution, and also, Federal and State, laws include:

(1) Stronger protections, more absolutes specified in favor of individual privacy rights.
(2) Abolish most of the Civil-Forfeiture laws.
(3) Property rights should be more absolute.
(4) Abolish Eminent Domain.
(5) Kill the Death Tax (with the exception of billion-dollar estates).
(6) Get Big Money, Corporate Interests, and etc out of politics.

Otherwise, I think, I could live with the system as it is.

FPN December 7, 2019 at 2:34 AM

Such a clear trail of evidence? Really? CNN rots the mind. I cannot believe Biden has the nerve to run for President. Cool Cat Joe Biden, Corn Pops friend, has used this Country for years. None of the Dems are looking into Joe, because they see nothing wrong with Joe. I want to know why Joes son was working with all these foreign countrys.

Sick of it December 7, 2019 at 10:03 AM

No. They don’t want to look into Joe since they will see there own corruption when his is finally exposed for what it is.

Gittyup December 7, 2019 at 2:06 PM

It appears the Democrats are doing precisely what they have accused Trump of doing, attempting to dig up dirt on a political rival sufficient to defeat him in the next election. They have been at it since Trump took office. The impeachment is simply an escalation of their earlier unsuccessful attempts, and by now they have actually begun to believe their own fabricated, self-righteous nonsense.

Yogurt December 7, 2019 at 2:37 PM

Do you even know what a Trump has been accused of?

What is Biden accused of?

Let me ask you this, if you were president and appointed the head of the DOJ, why not just investigate then? Why ask a foreign country to do it?

Gittyup December 7, 2019 at 4:22 PM

I don’t waste my time replying to hot garbage, Yogurt.

Yogurt December 7, 2019 at 5:46 PM

Because Gitty, you have nothing to add.

If Biden was as corrupt as Trump says, why ask Ukraine to investigate?

Is trump not in charge of the entire DOJ?

Gittyup December 8, 2019 at 9:19 AM

Let’s face it, Joe Biden named it the “Malarkey Tour” because he’s so full of it.

Captain Bebops December 7, 2019 at 9:26 AM

Looks like the Trump cult may be singing “Blue Christmas” to their picture of the Donald this year. 😉

Noj December 7, 2019 at 11:29 AM

Pain is coming to DC. Starts Monday. Enjoy the show.

Noj December 7, 2019 at 1:32 PM

Jesse Waters will discuss Qanon on his show at 5pm tonight.

You’ve heard the FAke News call Qanon a conspiracy.

See for yourself tonight.

Yogurt December 7, 2019 at 4:16 PM

Qanon? Lol come on

Jojo Potato December 7, 2019 at 4:25 PM

And in other Jesse news, he has finalized is divorce after an affair with his staffer. Obviously a stand up guy!

Ricardoh December 7, 2019 at 9:48 AM

Susan I. I have a few dedicated democrats in my family who are just like you. You listen to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC. Those station are controlled by the DNC and are coordinating with the DNC to remove our president and have been since the day he was elected. I will give you an example of how they do that. Everyday the DNC puts out a theme against the president to those five station. Since you may only listen to one of those stations you probably don’t notice it however Fox monitors all of them and one of their funniest segments is when they show multiple people from all of those stations mouthing the same ridiculous wording over and over. Sometimes twenty people say the DNC talking points one after another. The next day the whole cabal has a new talking point that they all mouth. The sad thing is you believe it all. I find your lack of getting to the truth pathetic.

FPN December 7, 2019 at 1:54 PM

It’s also one of my favorite segments. It’s sad that the journalist no longer think for themselves. It’s called propaganda and the people who believe the propaganda are usually people who are not able to think for themselves. They are the ones who say Trump is bad for the Country but can’t tell you why.

Jojo Potato December 7, 2019 at 2:12 PM

That story is a complete lie. There is no daily coordination as you suggest. Think about it for a moment. News is a competitive business, those outlets you site would soon go out of business if they were all offering the same stories. I think you have simply been brainwashed. Maybe you should listen to your family.

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Chicken Little December 7, 2019 at 4:26 PM

Sorry, JoJo. You’re wrong. Listen to a few different mainstream news outlets every day. You’ll hear them parroting the same stories, practically word for word. That’s not journalism. That’s just repeating what you’re told.

Jojo Potato December 7, 2019 at 5:32 PM

Why? Because that whole story about the nightly news coordination is a lie. Brought to you by the fools from Fox. But I guess you beleive everything they say.

Yogurt December 7, 2019 at 5:50 PM

This post shows how little you know.

While I won’t argue that those channels lean to the left, Fox News is just straight propaganda.

What president bases his policy on what’s said on a new channel? And not just once or twice it’s every week.

Go read something. Don’t watch it. Read real journalism like NYT or WaPo.

WC Resident December 8, 2019 at 8:27 AM

@Ricardoh – Nearly all of the media seems to engage in copy-and-paste “journalism.” This past week there was a minor crime in Antioch. If you Google for the perpetrator’s name you’ll see that an account of the crime is listed on about 90 separate “news” sites.
“Ruby Delgadillo” “Antioch”

Is this a conspiracy? No, it’s an attempt to increase the number of clicks which leads to more revenue. Claycord is in the same business.

Left-leaning web sites are also more likely to regurgitate the press releases of left-leaning candidates. Right-leaning web sites do the same. Is this a conspiracy? No, it’s an example of confirmation bias at work plus the sites know that their readers are more likely to click on regurgitated talking points from “their” candidates that those of the opposition.

Noj December 7, 2019 at 11:49 AM

Trump’s Approval Hits 25% Among Likely Democrat Voters: Rasmussen

Chicken Little December 7, 2019 at 12:49 PM

That’s pretty good. I wonder what Obama’s approval rating was among Republicans?

Yogurt December 7, 2019 at 5:47 PM

That is nonsense. Trump is literally the most corrupt president we have ever had.

HappyPappy December 7, 2019 at 6:18 PM

Profound statement, yogurt. Provide verifiable proof or admit you’re a liar

Yogurt December 7, 2019 at 8:06 PM

I’m willing to admit a little bit of hyperbole, since Trump won’t show his taxes or cooperate in any form at all.

I often wonder, if you are so innocent, why not just allow the investigation to happen with your evidence?

I am trying to remember the ridiculous 3 year investigation into Benghazi. What did the Republican lead congress find? Nothing.

So why can’t Trump and Pence and Pompeo and others let the truth out?

And how about all the stories of full floors being rented out to gain favor with Trump? You know the whole emoluments clause that I brought up weeks ago and everyone acted like it’s not a big deal. I’m shocked that you would think that it’s acceptable for the president of our country to be influenced by money.

He is using us to and the office to get rich, while he is in office.

Let me ask you this, if Obama did ANY of the things trump has done, would you still act like it’s not a big deal?

Answer that question honestly

HappyPappy December 7, 2019 at 11:26 PM

yogurt….. a little bit of hyperbole? Really?
At least you admitted you have absolutely nothing. No proof, nothing verifiable.
At the risk of appearing impolite, I believe that makes you a liar.

Yogurt December 8, 2019 at 9:49 AM

Happy

So you’re not worried about Saudis renting out full floors of the Trump Hotel in DC? You know the same country that sent people here to train and just ended up killing our soldiers in our own base?

The Saudi influence alone should worry you

The fact trademarks he applied for in China prior to his presidency were never approved until AFTER he became president. Shouldn’t that worry you?

As I have said before, it is up to you to do your own research but these things are true. It’s scary because his foreign policy is scatter shot at best and he doesn’t listen to his advisors.

Jojo Potato December 8, 2019 at 11:39 AM

Didn’t you see the video of Trump dancing (?) with his Saudi buddies including that prince (MSM) who organized the murder in the Saudi embassy in Istanbul? How much more proof do you need?

HappyPappy December 8, 2019 at 2:00 PM

yogurt,
Hotel room and trademarks? Ooooooooooo……………..
We’re you so excited when obama got caught running guns to drug cartels in Mexico? How ’bout when he got caught shipping pallets with billions of US dollars to Iran.

james December 8, 2019 at 5:47 PM

Nothing you mention is corruption,so it looks like you concede and you have admitted youre a liar and most other comments are baseless and just sour grapes/venting.

Up to Here December 7, 2019 at 9:47 PM

Let’s see…..Obama came into office living on his wifes salary and his small salary as US Senator.Now they have an estimated total worth of over $130.000.000……… who gained how much wealth being president? UMMMMM, I wonder!

Gittyup December 8, 2019 at 9:45 AM

Or, that Madonna, wearing a “kitty hat” at a Washington DC rally shortly after Trump took office, said she had thought of “bombing the White House.” Or that California legislator John Burton at a news conference held up the middle fingers on both hands and said, “F*** Trump,” which started a chant to that effect among the audience while Nancy Pelosi stood nearby smiling and enjoying the display of profanity. Or, that protestors carrying signs stating the same sentiments are prevalent at anti-Trump rallies. Or, that it has become the rallying cry of an uncivilized liberal party. Or, … well you get the idea.

Democrats have behaved like little more than animals since Trump was elected, so its no surprise they’s bend any rule to try an defeat him in the next election. The transcript of Trump’s call with the Ukraine clearly proves no bribery occurred. Democrats have worked themselves into an hysterical, self-righteous delusion and they’re going to be very embarrassed about the way they have behaved at some point when they look back on the events they set in motion.

Yogurt December 8, 2019 at 12:03 PM

Gitty,

Let’s not pretend that the small percentage of people you point out represent everyone else.

When the famous Access Hollywood tape came out, did you feel that was a representation of you?

There is no moral high ground especially with a president that has NONE.

Gittyup December 8, 2019 at 5:40 PM

I have no idea what the “the famous Access Hollywood tape” is. I don’t watch that garbage. But, apparently you do and that probably explains your garbage. Democrats have been beating their heads against a brick wall so much since Trump was elected, their starting to sound like lunatics.

RANDOM TASK December 7, 2019 at 9:48 PM

Hmmmm Susan so peaceful and both sides

Did we forget that a Kathy griffin was beheading effigies of potus

And democrats were bussing in rioters to pro trump rallies

And the name calling and democrats berating trumps 10 year old son with so much hatred he had to go into hiding from the public.

Just rambling off a few of the democrats so called bitterness and cowardice
Behavior for those who think trump is the bad guy

Also the media is owned by the democrats
or rather filled with diehard leftist socialist communist bent on biased media to further their opinions and lecture others for theirs

Not to mention the schools and colleges preaching democrat fundamentals and damming any others

The democrats have instilled and separation and socialist attack to divide and conquer the susceptible minds into following and denouncing freedom In favor of terrorism and fear mongering through racism tirades and favoritism

while defunding schools and pushing illegal entry as a necessity

As the democrats use tax money to feed and house and provide healthcare for illegals while leaving American citizens to the streets

Voters following because they can not decide for themselves

Funny how dems preach diversity and kindness and socialism

And yet turn ugly with hatred at anyone who opposes them or desires freedom to pursue happiness of their own without democrat rule

Antler December 8, 2019 at 1:04 AM

The House Judiciary Committee subpoenaed the following “firsthand knowledge” officials to testify. President Trump himself was the one who ordered them NOT to testify. He and most Republicans have continued to whine and kick their heels as though this phenomenon were not of their own making.

Assuming the House of Representatives votes to impeach President Trump, then finally he can not shield the following “eye witness operatives” from testifying….. at least this many (because I’m not sure I’ve gleaned all the names):
Vice President Mike Pence, who also is President of the Senate.
Acting Chief of Staff, Mick Mulvaney
Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani
Ex White House Counsel, Donald McGhan
President Pro Tempore of the Senate,Chuck Grassley
Energy Secretary, Rick Perry
Former National Security Advisor, John Bolton
Senate Majority Leader
United States Ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland
….. and probably more whom I did not catch because I stopped listing about two weeks ago. Some of the listed above have given testimony in CLOSED sessions of the impeachment inquiry committee, in spite of both the White House’s and the State Department’s efforts to block their testimony.

So it seems that there will be a great deal more for all of us to consider.

Justifiable anger December 8, 2019 at 7:12 AM

Alternative news sites are plentiful. Type in Western Free press Dumping Drudge. There is plenty of variety offered at Top 10 News Aggregators. Break the propaganda/brain washing trend.

Bill Cutting December 8, 2019 at 9:57 AM

18 U.S. Code § 2384. Seditious conspiracy. That is all Trump has to do it would be game over for the Democrats and we could actually get some stuff done like round up the 30 million illegals which a lot of people think is impossible but I think it’s very doable if you Enact a bounty system on these parasites. You pay me $1000 a head for a live illegal immigrant (federal executive order) I’ll go down right to monument make 50,000 In a day as Long as our court system backed me up and our citizens on this it’s an easy fix most of us would love to do this. Next put a moratorium on all legal immigration. I would really like him to come to California and get rid of the corrupt governor, Attorney General, and senators and representatives that have ruined the state and the quality of life of its citizens aka property owners. Along the way he needs to dissolve the 9th Court, District defund it and close it. Another big issue I think would be good would be investigating colleges that promote socialism and far left liberal ideologies and shut them down as well as in our public schools anybody promoting socialism or lefty ideology should be fired there’s no need for that poison to be taught in a capitalist society. If we ever take control of the house I think the bills that need to be passed are nobody can serve in the Senate or House with a dual citizenship. Inact term limits and maybe pass some sort of law that makes the media way more accountable for slander. Let’s not forget the poisoning of our children with social media and let’s not forget how the left is manipulating our women into wanting careers over being mothers.

Yogurt December 8, 2019 at 10:57 AM

So you would put a bounty on people like it’s the 1800s?

That is savagery and that’s how places like North Korea and Iran work.

Who do you think the illegals are? Gang members only? Criminals only?

Show me the stats. Then also show me the stats on dreamers. Go ahead I’ll wait for you

Jojo Potato December 8, 2019 at 11:33 AM

You mean like all the illegals working on Nune’s farm in Iowa? That area is where he bought a new farm after selling his California outfit? Somehow he still remains representing California. You can look it up, it’s easy.enough. Try it out.

But forget about making women stay home and have babies. That ship sailed a long time ago.

Liar! Liar! December 8, 2019 at 11:37 AM

100% of illegal aliens are criminals.

To Do List December 8, 2019 at 12:47 PM

Is someone from the left asking for statistics? Remember Kate Steinle who was shot and killed by an illegal in San Francisco who had been previously deported 5 times? The left’s argument there I suppose is that we should not be outraged because on average she is still alive because based on statistics illegals don’t kill very much.

Gittyup December 8, 2019 at 5:52 PM

Yogurt, We’ve been all over that stuff here. Where were you? Jellyfinger, OriginalG Happy Pappy, Fred P, Rollo Tomasi, and most other conservative posted statistics that supported closing the borders to illegals, criminal or otherwise. The Immigration and Customs Service collects statistics, independent research firms collect statistics, and universities collect statistics. Look it up. There is no reason to rehash it here. None of these arguments are off the wall. They are supported by statistical data.

Gittyup December 9, 2019 at 5:39 AM

When one enters the country illegally, they are, in effect, cutting in line in front of those doing it the legal way. You can get kicked out of Disneyland for that. Disneyland — a master at crowd control and, as advertised, “The happiest place on earth.” The country must run at least as effectively as Disneyland unless you want the chaos that will ensue.

That is not to mention that when illegals enter the country they are breaking the law. There is a legal and an illegal way to immigrate to the United States, just like there is a legal and an illegal speed limit on the nation’s streets and highways … which is enforced. The process for entering legally is rigorous, but if legal immigration were not enforced, no one would bother to enter legally. Entering legally is proof that the individual respects the many laws that govern the nation, and demonstrates their willingness to abide by those laws.

Bobfished December 8, 2019 at 10:22 AM

I guess it was bound to happen. Gavin Newsome signed an executive order redirecting some of our gas tax money to fund his rail and other projects!

Jojo Potato December 8, 2019 at 2:56 PM

Trump and the toilet. I guess Mr. Trump thinks it a good idea to waste water. He said “Americans are flushing their toilets “10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once”. No reason given but I suppose it has something to do with current water conservation standards. As part of MAGA wasting water and lowering gas mileage and tearing up the land for coal are all good things. I guess if you live in a golden skyscraper (or Florida) this makes sense. Not to me. The only time Mr. Trump is out doors is sitting in a golf cart. I wonder how he would do on a horse ROTFL!

james December 8, 2019 at 7:30 PM

If you had comprehension skills you would actually listen and see he doesn’t like people flushing toilets multiple times from a toilet that has a water saving talk,that isn’t enough to clear the toilet.Why do you try to twist things so that just you sees something negative where there is nothing negative?He is aying water saving toilet actually waste more water than regular ones because people over flush.I think his comment about toilets needs to be impeachable too.

james December 8, 2019 at 9:22 PM

Let’s see Obama on a horse.Now that’s comedy.
Look up an old program made before you were born,it’s called “Lifestyles of the rich and famous” most of the stories were about Donald Trump,and the opening credits show many photos of Trump and his toys,and,probably some horses in thier somewhere.

james December 8, 2019 at 7:33 PM

Since Trump was raised in military school.I’m sure he lots of horse riding experience,but billionaires usually do enjoy horses.It isn’t a cheap hobby.

HappyPappy December 9, 2019 at 10:24 AM

Whomever it was that said “each snowflake is unique, unlike any other” obviously has never visited this link. 😉

slagheap December 9, 2019 at 6:56 PM

Just wanted to remind everybody that in the last couple weeks additional subpoenas have been issued for NRA records, particularly those of the NRA Foundation, which, like the Trump Foundation, which was shut down and fined $2 million dollars by the same NY AG, is apparently an illegally tax exempt slush fund for illicit campaign contributions, perks for board members, etc. Also, and this I didn’t know until today, the Washington DC AG is also investigating the Foundation. Beginning to look like the NRA could cease to exist before the end of the decade.

james December 9, 2019 at 10:46 PM

What are you reminding people of?That there are people that live here that are unAmerican,and that they have delusions of grandure,or as if any gun owner would care one bit if there was no NRA? Just like you can blame all car accidents on AAA,and driving wouldn’t survive if AAA went out of business,Your kind of thinking. is just juvenile.Trump can’t lose the election, no matter what happens now,and there no way to get any impeachment past republican house anyway..Again lied to by your own people.All them little democrat dreams will never happen in the lifetime if anyone reading this article and comments.People “wanting change” are the ones never facing reality.We tried change for 8 years,it was a disaster,and nobody was allowed to say anything till it was over.If it had gone on just one more year there would be no more America.

slagheap December 10, 2019 at 5:37 PM

Thanks for reply, and please keep commenting. This board needs more like you.
Sincerely,
slagheap

Rollo Tomasi December 11, 2019 at 10:31 AM

Even if I accept the premise, so what? Gun ownership predates the NRA and will continue to exist after your fantasy demise of the NRA. As has been pointed out, the percentage of NRA membership among gun owners is insignificant. If you want a REAL boogey man to keep you awake at night, check out Gun Owners of America.

james December 12, 2019 at 4:23 PM

Slagheap,,that’s untrue,and terrible psychology,you’re not thankful of any comment you’re not married to.

james December 10, 2019 at 3:45 AM

300 million gun owners in America.The NRA claims to have 5 miliion members.
That’s only about %1.7 of gun owners.I’m sure the gun industry and hobby will be crushed.

mtzman December 10, 2019 at 11:41 PM

Not sure where you got this number but most credible estimates put the number of gun owners at around 25 percent of the population at most. With the population of the US currently at around 330 million, that puts the number at around 82.5 million, still a lot but nowhere near 300 million.

Chicken Little December 11, 2019 at 8:32 AM

I believe that’s 300 million guns, not gun owners. Many gun owners own more than one. And it’s widely believed that it’s really closer to 400 million.

Rollo Tomasi December 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM

Just north of 200,000 background checks on Black Friday, the second highest ever (less than 2,000 fewer than the record). That doesn’t mean purchases were completed, but wonderful to see fellow patriots exercising (or attempting to exercise) their rights.

james December 11, 2019 at 3:37 PM

they can only count the registered guns,but predict %60 to 70 of residents actually own guns,but the registerd 300 million guns are owned by %25 of the population(on record),

HappyPAppy December 11, 2019 at 5:12 PM

A FREE person does not need permission to own a gun.

james December 11, 2019 at 8:29 PM

75 to 100 million or more gun owners and only 5 million in NRA,and how many of those 5 million would care?The NRA is no benefit to gun ownership,it is always picked on and blamed for things.Again,blame AAA for any fatal, car crash if a shooting is the NRA’s fault.They both promote what they represent,cars and guns.IE driving and shooting.

Fred P. December 12, 2019 at 8:39 AM

I’ve heard ~393 million guns and anywhere between 25% and ~50% of the population owning them.

…. and billions+ of rounds of ammunition.

Gittyup December 10, 2019 at 3:04 PM

Maxine Waters was front and center when Democrats made their impeachment announcement. She, of course, calling for impeachment since President Trump’s inauguration. The sour puss look on her face seems to reflect her politics, however, and it was hard to tell if anything in life brings her joy short of hate-filled rants exhorting her supporters to openly harass members of Trump’s administration. Must suck to be Maxine Waters and it’s written all over her face.

nytemuvr December 10, 2019 at 5:35 PM

Not to be mean or just to call people names but Maxine looked like the “Creature From the Black Lagoon”.

Gittyup December 10, 2019 at 8:09 PM

You know, she did!

Gittyup December 11, 2019 at 7:27 AM

All the rancor, subterfuge, and intrigue being demonstrated by Democrats throughout the events since Donald Trump announced he would run for President is deeply disturbing and presents more of a threat to our freedoms than anything Trump has done. It is literally the “rot” from within, and it began with Obama’s servitude to the Clintons when he permitted the FBI to spy on the Trump campaign for the purpose of getting Hillary elected.

Jojo Potato December 12, 2019 at 7:42 AM

Subterfuge? Like this recent news: From the AP: “A judge Thursday ordered President Donald Trump to pay $2 million to an array of charities as a fine for misusing his own charitable foundation to further his political and business interests.”. That’s the real rot, right there straight from the top. And yet you are still stressing out about Hillary. That’s pure diversion as practiced by Mr. Trump’s Russian masters and broadcast by people like Gittyup. Sorry, that story has expired, time to find new lies.

Gittyup December 12, 2019 at 3:00 PM

@Jojo Potato Any number of government employees are, at this very moment and for the foreseeable future, investigating events that occurred during the Obama administration which indicated abuses far worse in terms of derailing a political opponent than anything of which Trump is accused. And I do mean “accused,” the claims of which are baseless.

You might familiarize yourself with the Horowitz report, with Attorney General William Barr’s comments on it, and the Durham report, the investigation of which will not be completed until next summer sometime. They paint a picture of Obama’s administration of the Department of Justice and FBI that uncovers partisan corruption that goes to the core. Durham has even ventured into the secretive world of the CIA with his probe.

It is the socialists that are driving the Democratic party, in case you hadn’t noticed. One leading Democratic candidate, Sanders, has come right out and said he is socialist. “The Squad” is another radical left instigator influencing where the party is headed. Socialism is but a very few principles away from communism, but that’s what is moving the Democrats these days, so it’s no wonder they would be on the attack when a capitalistic economy, doing so well, was in full swing. Trump happens to be responsible for that. Employment picked up the day he was elected and has continued to break records nationwide.

I won’t rudely insult you the way you have insulted me, but I must say you appear to be confused and misinformed.

james December 12, 2019 at 6:03 PM

Jojo,Trump is smart enough to make his 2 million fine a tax write off as “losses”.Are you happy knowing this too?And that 2 million,took him a few days to earn and he won’t even notice it..How did Obama get $150 million BTW?
We will soon be finding out……..

Jojo Potato December 13, 2019 at 5:51 AM

Even more fun. The Trump kids are required to attend training In how not to steal money from their own charity. Difficult material for that crowd to grasp, I’m sure. LOL.

Gittyup December 13, 2019 at 11:58 AM

@Jojo Potato “The Trump kids are required to attend training In how not to steal money from their own charity.” Such figments of of the imagination are why the country turns away from malicious, delusional Democrats. But, keep it up. It only helps Trump garner more support and shows us your true colors.

mtzman December 13, 2019 at 1:05 PM

Hardly a figment of the imagination, at least according to Fox News and the NY Attorney General. You might want to take a look.

Jojo Potato December 13, 2019 at 4:34 PM

Breitbart news had a recent very detailed article that included the information I had referenced. It was widely quoted on lots of different sources. I’ve stopped including links since such posts are usually deleted. But I bet most anyone can look up that article and read it. Or just deny everything. Let’s see how long that works.

HappyPappy December 12, 2019 at 8:49 AM

If you don’t know that the nazi party was socialist, and the communist party is socialist, and the majority, if not all, of democrats running for president are socialists then your not paying attention.

Justifiable anger December 12, 2019 at 1:02 PM

Venezuela was socialist, for a few years. Castros Cuba was supposedly socialist, before he murdered and imprisoned his enemies. Then he robbed the people into poverty and took away their freedom of speech while HE became a very wealthy man. A dictator. Even now his son lives the same way. A dictator.

Four Democrat congresswomen, all antisemites, are pushing “socialism”. Examine their rhetoric, you will find fascist tactics. Examine Greta Thunbergs rhetotic, you will find the same.

HappyPappy December 13, 2019 at 10:01 AM

Thanks to the scum at the top, the FBI had its worst week in modern history. The Justice Department’s IG found that the bureau had deceived a federal court and abused Americans’ civil liberties. It was also humiliating for the crew rotten crooks that deceived the FBI into its excesses: Fusion GPS, Christopher Steele and their crooked media flunkies.
For those of you who’ve been napping, Fusion is the opposition-research firm the Democratic National Committee and the desperate Hillary Clinton campaign hired in 2016 to kneecap Donald Trump. Fusion in turn hired that sleazy Steele, a British former spy, to compile the infamous “dossier” that the FBI used to obtain surveillance warrants against former Trump aide Carter Page.
And the rest is a sad example of the depths to which those spiteful criminal democrats are willing to go to destroy anything and anyone not in compliance with their evil criminal cartel.

HappyPappy December 13, 2019 at 10:06 AM

When 17 “mistakes” were made by the FBI and 100% of those “mistakes” favor the party in power by harming the opposition candidate…………..
THOSE AIN”T MISTAKES!

Gittyup December 13, 2019 at 4:13 PM

Thank you! As has been pointed out, normally when the FBI suspects foreign interference in a campaign, they go to the candidates and inform them of the activity so that they can be alerted to it. They did no such thing for Trump. Instead, they obtained FISA warrants on what AG Bill Barr has called “baseless” evidence in order to surveil the Trump campaign — which was clearly to gain political advantages for his rival, Hillary, when we examine the contents of the Page and Strzok text messages.

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