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Today’s question:
QUESTION: Do you think all flavored e-cigarettes should be banned in the United States?
Talk about it….
64 comments
sure
Only if alcohol is banned…
What’s with you Californian’s and telling people what they can and can’t buy?
@Misplaced Texan, it’s not just a California thing. President Trump announced on Wednesday that the federal government will move to ban flavored e-cigs.
It seems those dying or getting sick are using a weed oil, an off the market thing. Not flavored products. To an old guy like me all of these tech things are moving too fast. First graders with telephones, playing video games all day, marijuana sales, overdoses on imported drugs, ban this don’t ban that, people protesting everything. It appears many are in a rat cycle. I don’t see it getting better soon.
No, because most of the people who have recently contracted illnesses or even died were due to bootleg cartridges, and most of those were THC…so if you go an ban the “fruity” and other flavors, guess what you’ve just created? Yep, a black market susceptible to these same bootleg pens/cartridges…or you’ll push people to good ol’ regular tobacco cigarettes. Obviously, NO amount of smoking of ANY kind is good for you, and I honestly don’t know how someone can do it and when I see a huge vape cloud blowing out a car window I just think of how stupid that person is…BUT, if people are going to do it, they’re better off with the heavily regulated JUUL and the like rather than the bootleg stuff or combustible tobacco.
Juul is one of the main problems with the vape industry. They are the reason so many minors are vaping and give the vape industry a bad name. I mean come on they sold a large chunk of their company to big tobacco just so they can get into more liquor stores and gas stations. Especially the ones where they sadly don’t check your id.
The United States is a free country. Big bad government trying to tax or ban anything and everything. If I want to vape while drinking a Pepsi using a plastic straw, as a free American, I should be able to.
I agree with you in general, but I want to make a point that if you make bad health choices all your life, you will become a burden on the healthcare system. Even if I make healthy choices and require much less care in my life, I am punished because my insurance premiums and Medicare taxes are subsidizing those who are sicker than they would be had they lived a healthier lifestyle.
Unfortunately, Bob, that’s how insurance works. Just like auto insurance. Those of us who are safe drivers must subsidize (at least to some degree) those who are not. Should we charge people more for health insurance because they’re athletic? Sports cause lots of injuries, right? Maybe charge people more if they ride a motorcycle, climb mountains, or anything else deemed dangerous. Nope, not gonna happen.
Chicken Little, there are health insurance policies that exclude coverage for dangerous recreational activities such as bungee jumping and rock climbing.
Happy,
I’ve never heard of one. Do you have any specific examples?
Chicken Little, here’s an example of a health insurance policy that excludes dangerous activities. It’s the policy offered to students at Wesleyan University. Here’s the exclusion:
“27. Racing or speed contests, skin diving or sky diving, mountaineering (where ropes or guides are customarily used), ultra-light aircraft,
parasailing, sail planing, hang gliding, bungee jumping, travel in or on ATV’s (all terrain or similar type vehicles) or other hazardous sport or
hobby.”
From the quick check that I’ve done, it’s legal under fed rules to include “source of injury” restrictions in health insurance as long as the injuries aren’t the result of domestic violence or a medical condition. Perhaps CA law is different?
Nope, ban guns, though
Why Guns? The CDC reports MORE PEOPLE died from CARS last year in the U.S. than guns. Let’s ban cars first; it is a bigger problem.
There are many purposes for guns. If you think that their only use is for committing crimes, then you obviously don’t know what you are talking about.
Mountain Jay, The 2nd Amendment is a constitutional right, and opposing it is anti-American, even if you don’t agree with it.
@Mr P:
The purpose of a firearm is to direct a projectile at a target with a great deal of velocity and accuracy. The purpose of a car is to transport people or goods to or from a destination (target). The target in both cases is at the sole discretion of the operator.
He said guns are made to kill, not to commit crimes. And he’s right. Functionally speaking. Unless you shoot free pistol competitively or are a bi-athelete. You could argue those are target purpose specific, though based on a design of a weapon used to kill something. Yeah, he’s right.
How about this???? A CDC report shows CHILDREN deaths are 23% HIGHER by CAR than by a gun. Ban all CARS!
Dawg, birthright citizenship is a right guaranteed by the 14th amendment, yet Trump says he wants to do away with birthright citizenship. Is Trump un-American for opposing the 14th amendment?
@Atticus Thraxx – With free pistol competitions, bi-atheletes, or anything on a firing range, the objective is to practice and demonstrate becoming good at killing.
WC Resident,
That’s like saying the only purpose behind fencing is to get better at being a pirate. In other words, a moronic statement.
@Happy Californian:
Please explain what the framers meant with the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” in that amendment. Hint: you’ll need to dig deeper than just reading the Constitution. Take a look at Elk v. Wilkins and the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court rulings.
@Rollo Tomasi, it means the children of foreign diplomats aren’t US citizens. This is not something that divides liberal and conservative jurists. There is near universal agreement on what the 14th amendment means. If you are born on US soil, you are an American citizen except for a very narrow exclusion.
@Happy:
Did you research the rulings that I suggested? Do you really believe the intent of the amendment was what is has become? Illegal aliens can have a baby born stateside that is automatically a citizen?
wait so ban plastic straws and genders and manhole covers and flavored cigs
y
et allow illegals to ransack our social systems and send money back to their country they are aligned with
can a democrat explain this to me
please I mean they both kill people in this country sooo
explain why one is better than the other ?
The people getting sick are people buying from shady sources not licensed dispensary’s and are selling cannabis carts refilled with vitamin E oil.
Why were they ever allowed in the first place…
Freedom is great until doing something stupid like voluntarily inhal9ing chemicals into your lungs is done and then my health insurance rates go up as providers have to start paying out money to keep these people from potentially dying.
It is a personal choice for adults. Children and underage do not have developed brains to make adult decisions, so for them of course NOT.
I’m not one to agree with banning anything. People need to wise up and make their own decisions. But if your going to ban it anyways then ban all cigarettes.
Sorry Roz…I know your trying but it would be a way to help you 🙂
No, banning doesn’t work very well.
The government should never get involved in banning or taxing anything that could be considered behavioral modification of the people.
A free people are responsible and accountable for themselves.
Those who chose otherwise should accept the consequences.
I had no idea there were so many beguiling and intoxicating substances now what?
Nope. Let folks die from them. Maybe it will be a lesson for other.
People have been dying from nicotine for decades. If we haven’t yet learned our lesson, we never will.
I’m pretty confident when I say those people didn’t die from nicotine, it’s the delivery method that’s the problem. But I get your point and can’t argue it.
Don’t tell ME what to do (joke). But by God you better take care of me when I get sick ( or terminal). Also get John Burris when I sue the manufacturers.
I agree with President Trump on this. Yes, they should be banned. Kudos to Trump for stepping up and doing the right thing.
No. Adults can do what adults want to do. The Royal College of Physicians have found them to be AT LEAST 95% less harmful as combustible tobacco cigarettes.Adults like flavors too. Will you ban flavored vodka or condoms?
Immediately. The surgeon General has been factual. Best to consult your personal physician.
Combustible Crabacca releases those substances off instead of magnifying the carcinogen(S). PLURAL.
Banning them will have the opposite desired outcome. People are still going to buy vapes and those vapes are going to be untested, unregulated product. If the ban is for safety concerns, that’s the wrong way to go about it.
Decriminalization of cannabis at the Federal level will lead to industry regulations. Those regulations will lead to safer products for consumers.
More Nanny State government – ban assault rifles for Gawds Sake!! Make it more difficult to obtain ANY gun!! Let the poor, stupid, saps who choose to smoke get lung disease/s. Natural Selection people, Natural Selection!
Well now, “ban assault rifles”, that doesn’t sound uninformed or unhinged AT ALL…so what is an “assault rifle”? Here’s a simple exercise: look up a picture of a “mini 14 ranch” and then a “mini 14 tactical”, then tell me if one is an “assault rife” and why.
And just FYI, you can drop the stupid “(original)”, like anyone gives a ****.
I hate the way the word “ban” is thrown around so easily anymore. NO! Tired of the nanny state telling people what legal products they can/cannot have simply because some others disagree with its use/consumption. Tobacco is a legal product, so should not be banned. People are well aware of the dangers of smoking and can make their own decisions on what to do about it. I smoke cigars….is that next?? I know it isn’t good for me, but I choose to do it on occasion because I want to and the gov’t should not be able to ban me from it.
Lol. Cars don’t kill people, it’s the people behind the wheel that do. Let’s ban people.
Ban this! Ban that!
No, you can’t ban guns without repealing the 2nd Amendment.
And you can’t ban alcohol without repealing the 21st Amendment.
You can ban tobacco and e-cigarettes, but that doesn’t mean you should. How about letting people live their own lives and make their own choices?
No, and President Trump’s support of this is terrible. I’ve never been stupid enough to intentionally inhale any foreign substance into my lungs (I’ve never needed a prescription inhalant), but one of the downfalls of freedom is that it allows stupidity.
wow a democrat complaining about medical costs
hey you and oscama are socialists ….welcome to your uptopia
yes when one does the many pay for it
you obviously voted for this so stop the hypocrisy you won
enjoy the bums and illegals taking up all the housing and spreading hep a and c
next time you try to explain a democrat stance try sticking to what you know
trump does not run demifornia you do…. or rather you lost your freedoms here
the socialist politicians know what is best for you
the bread line starts around the corner by the way
funny how dems complain about Russia yet are implementing communism daily
Lol. Cars don’t kill people, it’s the people behind the wheel that do. Let’s ban people.
Yes; I’m glad you get it…..
Banning all flavors means banning all e-cigarettes. Or is someone suggesting banning just candy flavors? e-cigarettes are a great alternative to cigarettes.
Trump administration wants to ban all flavors except tobacco flavor, so all the fruity, candy flavors plus mint and menthol.
Flavored vape juice shouldn’t be banned because a few people were vaping FAKE THC CARTRIDGES and got sick or died. Vaping flavored nicotine juice has nothing to do with it. Besides alcohol and regular cigarettes kill hundreds of thousands of ppl a year why haven’t those been banned yet? MONEY. Big tobacco is seeing vaping as a threat making them lose money as ppl switch to a healthier alternative. Why kill your clients when you can help them?
If you are against the flavor ban there is a petition you can sign to help flavored vape juice from not getting banned. As an adult I love my fruit and menthol mixed flavors. Don’t let the media lie to you. Flavored vape juice ain’t killing anyone. Illegal counterfeit thc cartridges are.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-donald-trump-signing-federal-flavor-ban-e-cig-products
No, just Cherry Garcia and Oprah Mocha.
Kids and adults are using this poison and killing themselves with habitual use.
If someone decided to offer candy flavored drain cleaner for sale I guess the libs and libertarians would be ok with that too. Science deniers all.
You’re talking about people who eat Tide Pods which, presumably, taste like laundry detergent. I don’t think the fact that vape juice is flavored really matters all that much.
@Always Right… What difference does it make what flavor drain cleaners are as long as it unplugs your drain?… Am I missing something here?
Contra Costa County Board of Supervisors, banned all flavored tobacco and e-cigs in unincorporated areas of the county years ago.
Any store within a 1000 feet of a school, park or other places kids get together.
They also banned any store in unincorporated areas that have a pharmacy on the premises can no longer sell cigarettes or other tobacco products.
As for the current issue it relates to unground making of marijuana vaping Cartridges made with Vitamin E oil, it turns to Vitamin E acetate which is harmful and causes the lung damage that is being seen now.
YES! E-cigarettes should just be for those trying to stop smoking. Not taste good for those who haven’t started. No Flavors!
E-cigs/vapes have ALLEGEDLY killed a small handful of people, and there is public outcry for their prohibition. Yet tobacco companies kill 1000+ of their own satisfied customers EVERY DAY, and they’re able to weasel out of it.
How are we even sure if vaping is the issue at this point? And how are we sure that these deaths and illnesses aren’t just linked to a single brand or type of product? We can’t keep making laws based on emotion. We need to study these things and make rational decisions.
QUESTIONS:
Who would argue that using tobacco isn’t extremely stupid?
Can some tobacco users be trusted to make sound decisions, or are they weak-minded addicts unable to exercise self control?
Are people making stupid decisions a negative force on society?
Considering the enormous added cost to healthcare that we ALL must pay, would we be better off without them driving up our premiums?
Should tobacco users with diseases directly related to it’s use be required to pay 100% of their healthcare?
Should they be required to pay into a separate insurance fund for tobacco users, similar to assigned risk auto insurance policies?
Should they be permitted to make their mindless choices and left alone to self destruct?
Should the rest of us have to carry the burden for their ignorant choices?
Harsh questions, yes, why isn’t anyone asking?
shame on you; asking real questions…………… 😉
Does vaping stay on one’s breath like smoking does? Young women like mothers could detect cigarette smoke on clothing, hair, and breath the minute the kid walks in the door. What has changed?
No! What you put into your body is your own business, as long as I don’t have to smell or taste it.
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