Claycord – Talk About Politics

March 8, 2019 19:05 pm · 71 comments

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Silva March 8, 2019 at 7:16 PM

You must have some curious insight into the inner workings of old John Schmitz, MTZMAN. I guess a seemingly staunch Catholic John Bircher conservative being outed with a second family could qualify as a sex scandal..

mtzman March 9, 2019 at 9:36 AM

I don’t recall us ever discussing his kids or the scandal but I did learn a few things from him. Back in the day, Orange County Republicans would have a large election night gathering, sometimes at the Anaheim Hilton but usually at the South Coast Plaza hotel in Costa Mesa (by contrast, the OC Dems met in the banquet room of a local coffee shop chain). The place would be filled with elected officials of all levels, from city council to Congress, and, on the night of the 1988 presidential primary, to Vice President George H. W. Bush himself. On one of those election night gatherings after the Schmitz scandal had broke, John’s political career destroyed and the two of them personally and very publicly humiliated, in walked John and Mary, together with their heads held high, not as if they were in denial or blowing it off but as people acknowledging what had occurred and refusing to let the rest of their lives be defined by it.

I’m not sure I am fully or clearly expressing myself here, but there are a lot of issues at play here — like forgiveness, redemption, and the notion that our lives are filled with contradictions that cannot always be reconciled. It is what makes me uncomfortable with efforts to punish individuals for things they said or did in the past. It also makes me uncomfortable with people making accusations or judgments about others based on innuendo. Again, to be clear, my political views were mostly diametrically opposed to John’s, and I certainly condemn his actions regarding the second family.

Silva March 10, 2019 at 6:01 PM

That is interesting. I thought so.

Giddyup March 10, 2019 at 9:12 PM

An ounce of self-control, conscience, and foresight is worth a pound of “forgiveness, redemption, and the notion that our lives are filled with contradictions that cannot always be reconciled.” Not to mention divorce, alimony, and hurting others, including one’s very own children often damaged in these frequentely regretted spur of the moment decisions.

It’s a simple matter to end a marriage before beginning a romantic dalliance, if it is no longer serving that purpose. Why do married people so corrupt the institutuon for the rest of us? Why get married if it isn’t going to be exclusive?

Nunya March 9, 2019 at 4:12 AM
Ricardoh March 9, 2019 at 8:49 AM

With democrats it is never enough. They want to live in a government run utopia. Which is a oxymoron.

Justifiable anger March 9, 2019 at 11:09 AM

The biggest lie of all is selling socialism as utopian.

Nunya March 9, 2019 at 2:03 PM

sweeping under the rug, what are you talking about?

Justifiable anger March 10, 2019 at 8:31 AM

Where is Muellers report? Did he have to revise again for maximum damage? I guess releasing all that evidence to Judicial Watch has cramped his edge. It is very telling this break through news is not headlined, even on Drudge.

Nunya March 10, 2019 at 8:38 AM

OK, so this guy who is going to jail for lying to congress goes back to congress to testify. again he swears to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help him God. huh? he certainly would lie a second time, right.

LOL!!

S March 10, 2019 at 9:23 AM

so there is a case law; Brady vs. Maryland, that says once a liar always a liar. Any future testimony is void. Don’t know why this doesn’t apply here???

Liar! Liar! March 10, 2019 at 10:13 AM

This is not a court of law. This is the House of Representatives, and the Democrats are now in charge. That means the truth doesn’t matter as long as he says bad things about the president.

mtzman March 10, 2019 at 11:59 AM

Could you please give us a citation for the Brady decision? Unless there is another one I’m not aware of, Brady v. Maryland stands for the proposition that prosecutors are required to turn over all possible exculpatory evidence to the defense. I’m not aware of any case that says once a liar all future testimony is void. Of course, credibility can be attacked but goes to the weight of the testimony not whether it is completely void.

Giddyup March 10, 2019 at 1:13 PM

Psychologists once studied the etiology of lying and found that, on the whole, people who lied were by far happier than those who didn’t. I believe the proof is contained in photos of Cohen prior to the time his issues came to light and were exposed, and those taken more recently. He looks absolutely miserable telling the truth.

The work by the psychologists discovered the happy state the lying produced in the individual came about from the feeling they were getting away with something. It was their own private little perk, if you will.

Dr. Jellyfinger March 10, 2019 at 12:55 PM

Why go after Hillary now?

All that stuff happened a long time ago….
just like those things Paul Manafort did.

Justifiable anger March 10, 2019 at 1:15 PM

Dr. JF: Of course you are being facetious.

But for your audience, it is necessary for them to acknowledge the fact of her criminal activities. Her criminal activities, supported/encouraged by Obama, the FBI and our courts is the reason for two years of ‘investigation’ into #45’s life and all who worked and associated with him.

Two years of harassment and threats by the Democrats, Mueller team and the Media. I say this is treason. Some politicians have actively sought to activate violence towards others.

It has resulted in a threat to our national security.

Dr Jellyfinger March 10, 2019 at 4:43 PM

If Ted Cruz had won they couldn’t pull half as much crap on him as they have on Trump but they would still be “resisting” and voting “no” on everything. Cruz is just squeaky clean ….. no baggage.

Nunya March 10, 2019 at 6:27 PM

because rich powerful people, who break the law aught to have to pay the price. not just those who worked with the president at sometime in their lives.

Justifiable anger March 10, 2019 at 7:10 PM

I knew ANY politician would be business as usual, so Trump was the obvious choice. I wavered when the media began to flinging the gossip, but as I looked into each rumor, I found the story to be a pant load in every case.

I agree, democrats are willfully preventing progress.

THE BLACK KNIGHT March 10, 2019 at 8:42 PM

Dr. Jellyfinger,

The Little Rock, Arkansas FBI field office is still investigating the Clinton Foundation and the misuse of $400 million – $2.5 billion in Clinton Foundation Funds by Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton.

Dr. Jellyfinger March 10, 2019 at 9:40 PM

Every investigation into Democrat wrongdoing is being slow walked….
I wonder why?

Silva March 11, 2019 at 10:12 AM

So why can Mrs. Clinton not be locked the f up already?

Dr. Jellyfinger March 11, 2019 at 11:18 AM

I know that one train of thought on the matter say’s screw the rule of law, Republicans are better off leaving Hillary right where she is… hurting the image of the Democrat Party.
I don’t agree.
Justice is supposed to be blind.
Nobody is above the law.
For better or worse I say all laws should be applied equally to each and every citizen or the whole concept of justice is just a sorry joke.

Silva March 14, 2019 at 3:23 PM

Amen to that.

Not a Trump Fan March 10, 2019 at 3:35 PM

All of you “doesn’t matter what” Trumpers just astonish me that week after week you condemn everyone but Trump for lying when he is the biggest liar of them all. It would be comical if it didn’t have severe consequences for our nations future and credibility with other world leaders, both friends and foes.

Nunya March 10, 2019 at 6:26 PM

so other than exaggerating about crowd size, what lies are you talking about, sorry, are your liberal masters telling you to repeat.

Publius March 10, 2019 at 9:30 PM

Let’s see…….the new ” Democratic Socialist Party” is now led by an Independent Socialist who is not even a Democrat, a former bartender with the brain of a bar rag two foul mouth terrorist Jihadist women, a media who, like us, learned to write in the second grade, but the rest of us moved on … tip of the hat to Bob Knight.
Anybody in California who today claims to be a liberal democrat should be forced to listen to Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell, Kamala Harris , or the rest of the Brain Dead dips___s who call themselves Democrats. OMG, what a collection of cow patties!

Nunya March 10, 2019 at 10:19 PM

Maxine Waters, the congresswoman who called upon a mob of her followers to hunt down and harass people who support the president. even find them with their families having a meal and shout loudly to prevent them from being able to enjoy a family meal. seems to me that should she be charged with inciting her followers to violence.

Original G March 10, 2019 at 7:31 PM

Why is it when liberal supposed candidates for President start crawling out from under their rocks they invariably begin spouting about reparations ???

Calli what it is, a thinly veiled attempt at vote buying with your tax dollars.
An none of the liberal bobble head media are willing to call them on it.

amieollie March 10, 2019 at 10:50 PM

Horsehockey.

Giddyup March 11, 2019 at 4:59 AM

Right. No better way to rally the voter base, get Al Sharpton excited, win friends and influence liberals than to drag out reparations. The prospect of free money works every time. Also excellent as a diversionary tactic when one’s past behavior becomes problematic.

Dr. Jellyfinger March 11, 2019 at 10:10 AM
Nunya March 11, 2019 at 1:26 PM

ain’t big al the best! referring to jews as diamond merchants and white’s who move into harlum as interlopers. here’s a link about kamala harris having lunch with him. just another democrat stooping to any low to get votes.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/kamala-harris-gets-lunch-with-noted-race-hustler-and-anti-semite-al-sharpton

Dr. Jellyfinger March 10, 2019 at 7:40 PM

I must’ve missed it… when did Trump tell a lie that broke the law or breached national security?

Nunya March 10, 2019 at 10:29 PM

all the parrots can do is repeat the words they hear in the media. the standard line about 7000 lies. which is they actually looked into it, they would see those were by in large exaggerations. and if he’d broken the law he’d have been charged with a crime. where as hillary and now jessie smollette actually lied to authorities, thereby committing crimes. oh and bill clinton has been accused of rape by many women over the years and hillary and george stephanopoulos used the “nuts or sluts” strategy to try and shut the victims up.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/02/25/the_trashing_of_bills_accusers_what_did_hillary_do_–_and_why_did_she_do_it_129787.html

Dr. Jellyfinger March 10, 2019 at 11:30 PM

Funniest thing about Bill was that he was accused of rape twice… before he even graduated from college!

Nobody ever reports that little news item.

Dr. Jellyfinger March 11, 2019 at 9:20 AM

If it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck (over and over and over again…..)

Fred P. March 11, 2019 at 6:09 AM

@amie -that’s all you have is “probably?”

Keep parroting the DNC talking points. One day you might learn to think for yourself.

Again, Clinton was accused of rape – but you libs did nothing about it. Instead, you display your expertise at tearing down conservatives.

Clarence Thomas? Brett Kavanaugh? Shall we go on?

Grow up .

If you liberals didn’t have double standards, you wouldn’t have ANY standards.

Giddyup March 11, 2019 at 2:58 PM

‘Probably” is what liberals use interchangeably with “for a fact.” Like, “Hillary will probably be our next President.” Or, “Jussie Smollett was probably attacked by Trump supporters.” Or, Bill Clinton probably never cheated on Hillary.” Or …. well, you get the idea.

Original G March 11, 2019 at 6:44 PM

“Billionaire Democratic donor Tom Steyer, who is spearheading a nationwide campaign to impeach President Donald Trump, on Monday rebuked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for stating that Trump is “just not worth” impeaching.”

“House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., rushed to the defense of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Monday, saying only “graphic evidence” would warrant an impeachment gamble against President Trump. ”
https://www.newsweek.com/tom-steyer-blasts-nancy-pelosi-trump-impeachment-not-worth-hold-accountable-1359268
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/adam-schiff-impeachment-gamble-not-worth-it-without-very-graphic-evidence

Nunya March 11, 2019 at 6:56 PM
amieollie March 11, 2019 at 7:24 PM

The natives are particularly edgy today. Something in the wind, perhaps?

Original G March 12, 2019 at 10:32 AM

Socialists are really very easy to understand, they want everything you have except your job.

HappyPappy March 12, 2019 at 12:53 PM

Cost Of Illegal Immigration UPDATE as of this day –

Cost this day: $480,506,560.00
Illegal aliens caught crossing so far in 2019: 36,672 Escaped illegals not included.
Total cost so far this year: $51,877,765,120.00
Illegals in U.S.: at least 25,794,848

Estimates provided by: Ctr Immigration Studies, Dept Homeland Security, Federal Immigration Reform, Institute Defense Analyses
One America News (OAN)

mtzman March 12, 2019 at 6:02 PM

For $52 billion, you’d think they could catch some of the escaped ones …

HappyPappy March 12, 2019 at 10:16 PM

Once again blurring the line between ignorance and stupidity.
Well done?

mtzman March 12, 2019 at 11:15 PM

As has been repeatedly pointed out to you and to others, these numbers are just total, complete BS and those who keep promoting them have long since demonstrated both ignorance and stupidity. So why not have a little fun?

HappyPappy March 13, 2019 at 10:36 AM

At least I provided sources for my claim. Until you can prove your fake claim, beyond a doubt, thanks for your meaningless OPINION.

Original G March 12, 2019 at 1:09 PM

How could they . . . al gore wasn’t invited. ? ? ?

web@30. . . in CERN in Switzerland the 30th anniversary of invention of the world wide web.

Jojo Potato March 12, 2019 at 4:28 PM

G: i guess this is a bit too fined grain for you. The Internet was born out of ARPANET which was really just a bunch of wires all hooked up as organized by the defense department. What the CERN guy did was imagine a system where the different hosts would all present their content in a standard way, Web pages that is. Sorry you had to use this occasion for political purposes. It’s not all us vs you, don’t you know.

Original G March 12, 2019 at 6:42 PM

Well aware of beginnings of the net.
Also well aware of gross limitations of the fraudster gore.
The levity of gore and inventing of the internet will live on well after we’re gone.

Maybe tomorrow will be a better day.
Cheers

mtzman March 12, 2019 at 11:44 PM

If you were really well aware of the beginnings of the internet you would know that Al Gore never actually claimed that he invented it, but he did play a key role in generating legislative support for its early development.

Original G March 12, 2019 at 7:07 PM

Every so often one of many political cartoonists trying to explain things to us hits one outta the park. The A.F. Branco Cartoon – Bad to the Bone, explains differences between Capitalism and socialism.
https://comicallyincorrect.com/a-f-branco-cartoon-bad-to-the-bone/

How well socialism works,
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46999668

Jojo Potato March 13, 2019 at 12:32 PM

And the cartoonist is reccomended by the former mayor of Wasilla. The inimitable Sarah Palin. That’s good enough for me! Scroll down on one of those cartoons to see other luminaries that are listed.

Original G March 13, 2019 at 4:49 PM

Guess there are times when humor and valuable social commentary provided by cartoonists can be lost in clouds of minutiae.

Original G March 12, 2019 at 10:12 PM

Enjoy the fruits of your vote, an he’s just getting started . . .

“Gov. Gavin Newsom is suspending the death penalty in California, calling it discriminatory and immoral, and is granting reprieves to the 737 condemned inmates on the nation’s largest Death Row.”

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Gov-Newsom-orders-halt-to-California-s-death-13683693.php

Don’t be shocked when San Quentin is closed, claiming age etc.
Shortly after claiming state’s financial hardship land is sold off and developers get their hands on last piece of prime and vastly profitable Bay real estate..

mtzman March 12, 2019 at 11:47 PM

Sounds good to me. This type of action has been taken before by both Republican and Democratic governors around the country, and it certainly won’t be the last.

Original G March 13, 2019 at 5:41 PM

Given his support of Prop 47 and liberal politicians running this state, wondering if level and severity of crime will increase in next three years.

I’d like my oldest Grandson’s Son to have a good life in this state.

Justifiable anger March 14, 2019 at 7:00 AM

Discriminitory and immoral? So now he is reommending afirmative action sentencing? Illegal brown men with multiple crimes get out of jail for free?

Dr. Jellyfinger March 13, 2019 at 9:31 AM

Now this is funny…. Adam Schiff D-CA. coached Michael Cohen for 10 hours before Cohen testified before Congress for 7 hours… and now Cohen is in legal jeopardy for lying to Congress again!.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/top-house-dem-blocking-fox-news-from-debates-doesnt-help

Also DNC is blocking FOX News from hosting any Primary debates….
FOX News just terrifies Democrat Socialists! LOL!

HappyPappy March 13, 2019 at 2:52 PM

As of today our state is in debt 465 billion dollars ($12,000.00 per citizen). What is Gov Nuisance doing about that?
Just like Gov Moonbeam, he’s dancing that tired Democrat Sidestep, that’s what!

Silva March 13, 2019 at 4:26 PM

This here Nick Anderson is a decent editorial cartoonist; https://bit.ly/2T5HO7E

amieollie March 13, 2019 at 4:44 PM

Thanks, Silva. Nice find. Puts a good cap on a rather satisfying day.

Dr. Jellyfinger March 13, 2019 at 5:51 PM

Silva, almost all those cartoons are so left wingnut I’d say the cartoonist is a bum…. but when I scrolled all the way down to the Peanuts cartoon with Trump as Charlie Brown & Kim Jong Un as Lucy holding the Football (nuke bomb) I about died laughing!

Silva March 13, 2019 at 7:24 PM

That one was pretty funny. There’s a button at the bottom if you want to see more.

Original G March 13, 2019 at 7:00 PM

Sanctuary, what be the cost ???
California is already dangerous enough after years going soft on crime .

Arrested at least six times and still in USA illegally ! . . . .
Now this,
“The San Jose police chief blasted California’s sanctuary city policies Tuesday after a previously deported illegal immigrant with a long rap sheet was arrested for murder in the brutal stabbing of a 59-year-old woman.”
https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/police-chief-rages-california-sanctuary-policy-another-brutal-murder

Justifiable anger March 14, 2019 at 7:09 AM

Bamb*e L**son, 59 yr old woman was brutally stabbed in HER HOME.

So, we are not even safe in our home? If she had use a gun to defend herself, who do you think would spend time in prison?

Original G March 14, 2019 at 9:26 PM

What IF?
What if liberals take over both executive and legislative branches of Federal government and more socialists of endorsed by justice democrats win office?
And what if as payment for campaign contributions from their mega rich one percenters they tear down border barriers on CA border and greatly reduce ICE funding?

‘Meth and murder: A new kind of drug war has made Tijuana one of the deadliest cities on Earth’
https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-tijuana-drug-violence-20190130-htmlstory.html

Always Right March 15, 2019 at 9:52 AM

Today is 3/15. The day designated by the powerful green new deal lobby as school walkout day.

The crazy-left earth worshipers have brainwashed another generation of young people into believing the world is about to come to an end.

Although they say CO2 is the new enemy, their real agenda is to suppress human growth and development. YOU and your children, especially the unborn ones, are the enemy.

That is why the Sierra Club, Green peace, and other crazy-left environmentalists are aligned with Planned Parenthood. People=bad.

Dr. Jellyfinger March 15, 2019 at 11:36 AM

The Climate Change Crisis…Trump Russia Collusion…

It isn’t that the left wing zealots are all that gullible….
It’s simply that they WANT to believe it’s true.

Dr. Jellyfinger March 15, 2019 at 11:29 AM

Geez, you’d think the FBI would be keeping mob bosses under surveillance… should’ve been right on top of that Franceso ‘Franky Boy’ Cali Mafia hit the other night.

I guess they have other priorities.

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