The Water Cooler – Who Do You Blame For The Partial Government Shutdown?

January 11, 2019 12:32 pm · 105 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it.

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon.

Today’s question:

QUESTION: Who do you blame for the partial government shutdown?

Talk about it….

Original G January 11, 2019 at 12:36 PM

PELOSI

Johne January 11, 2019 at 12:38 PM

Everyone

Baloo January 11, 2019 at 12:40 PM

Trump

XJ January 11, 2019 at 12:41 PM

First: The illegal immigrants. Second: All of the politicians who are using the illegal immigrants as pawns. They are exploiting them by urging them to come to this country by their policies. By throwing free stuff and money and the prospect of getting permanent citizenship and exploiting them as voters.

Aka: Republicans.

XD January 11, 2019 at 4:24 PM

EDIT my post above:

It should read that I blame DEMOCRATS. Not Republicans.

Thanks to MikeyV for pointing out my mistake.

Ricardoh January 11, 2019 at 12:47 PM

Since every democrat including Obama voted for a wall within the last few years it is obvious the democrats are giving the shaft to employees because they can’t let the country and the president win. What President Trump wants for a wall is one tenth of one percent of the budget yet to be signed. One tenth of what democrats want for military aid for foreign countries.
Since the wall is, according to democrats, so immoral why are they not yelling for the removal of the seven hundred miles of the wall standing. Even they are not that stupid.

MikeyV January 11, 2019 at 1:21 PM

XJ, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever rear on the internet.

Illegal immigrants vote republican! Are you insane?

Right, that’s why the democrats push for more and more foreigners to come here, because they vote republican.

all you have to do it look at a voting map and compare the blue areas with Hispanic populations.

You can start in Texas.

Newsflash! Democrats are SELLING your future, and most importantly your children and grandchildren’s futures for votes, to stay in power.

Maybe illegals don’t vote too much, but their citizen offspring do.

XJ January 11, 2019 at 4:15 PM

@MikeyV. You’re 100% right. I knew there was something off when I hit submit. It just didn’t dawn on me til you mentioned it. Will edit my post. Yes, Democrats are to blame.

Rollo Tomasi January 11, 2019 at 12:52 PM

Congress and President Trump, in no particular order.

BoboHead January 11, 2019 at 12:53 PM

Its Trumps fault. As he said “i’ll own the shutdown”.

Oh, and @Ricardoh – get your facts straight. Trump said that false statement which you repeated, that every democrat including Obama voted for a wall. That was a lie. It was debunked, several times over.

Ricardoh January 11, 2019 at 1:08 PM

All of the above voted for, The Secure Fence Act of 2006 Maybe you noticed the word secure in the title. What do you suppose SECURE means? Secured from rabbits or armadillos? Secure maybe means sturdy so it won’t fall down in a wind?

mtzman January 11, 2019 at 1:47 PM

Ricardoh, maybe you noticed the word “Fence” in the title?

Not a Trump Fan January 11, 2019 at 3:02 PM

Ricardoh, It was also for only 700 miles, not the entire southern border. Trump and the feckless republican congress are responsible for this shutdown. Where was this urgency during the 2 years they had total control and far more leverage. How can anyone negotiate with Trump when he keeps moving the goal posts. Obviously, disgusting O’Connell thought they had a deal before Christmas but Trump changed his mind after hearing from his Faux News friends. It’s despicable what he’s doing to these federal employees over a made up “crisis.”

Rollo Tomasi January 11, 2019 at 4:29 PM

So build it and call it a fence. Solves the problem.

Ricardoh January 11, 2019 at 12:58 PM

The state of the news we get on TV locally. Last night on Channel 902 they had a story about the shut down. They interviewed a union rep for prison guards. He went on to say some of the guards want to sleep in their cars in the prison parking lot because they can’t afford to commute. That they won’t be able to buy food for their children. I know this is a big inconvenience but every one of those guards uses a credit card to purchase gas and food. Everyone of them will probably be paid in a week or two. To run such a stupid story is really just trying to stir the pot. I wish KTVU would wise up.

Bill January 11, 2019 at 2:43 PM

KTVU is a Fox affiliate. The irony.

d January 11, 2019 at 12:59 PM

Every sane person in this country knows we have the dumbest Pres in history.
We need a wall just like THE USSR. Need we forget Comrades.

Ricardoh January 11, 2019 at 1:25 PM

The Russians wall was to keep people in. That is never right. What we want is to keep out people who are not good for our country.

inmotion January 11, 2019 at 1:05 PM

TRUMP
He owned it.

Besides, once Amazon starts selling personal drones in 10 years, the wall will become obsolete.

What??!! January 11, 2019 at 1:08 PM

Hey BoboHead, change those B’s to D’s…..it doesn’t take long to find exact quotes coming out of the very mouths of your liberal heroes supporting a southern barrier, including Obama. What lie? The hypocrisy is astounding. I blame Chuck and Nancy through and through.

Foonman January 11, 2019 at 3:43 PM

OANN has run videos of B.Clinton, H.Clinton, Obama, Pelosi,and Schumer, all stating we need border restriction of some kind. I think it was Schumer that called it a wall (but double check me on that). But alas, its now immoral . How times have changed, and I don’t care to hear Pelosi screech about it as she has had 30 years to fix this..she is walking proof that power corrupts, absolutely..

DD January 11, 2019 at 1:14 PM

Politicians

Bill Cutting January 11, 2019 at 1:23 PM

Both sides but mainly Every administration that has come after Dwight D Eisenhower. Just build it. Security down there is needed. America has a big parasite problem time to call the Orkin man. Just imagine 10 million less people here in California

Bad Nombre January 11, 2019 at 1:32 PM

As DD said, politicians. Statesmen solve these things.

Currently, there are too many politicians feeling too little political pain and too few statesmen. When one side or the other feels more pain/shame than it is worth, it will end.

Trump feels no pain and is pretty shameless so I am not particularly expecting him to blink but vetoes can be overridden.

Annon2 January 11, 2019 at 3:06 PM

Well said “BN”. Straight forward and no name calling. Claycord needs a LOT more reasonable postings.

JWB January 11, 2019 at 1:33 PM

The talk radio right wing loud mouths who use the issue to consolidate their power.

Obviously nobody, other maybe some businesses like the Trump NJ golf course want illegal immigration, at least some reports show that these business supply illegal immigrants with fake paper so they can have cheap labor.

Clearly in certain areas physical barriers make sense, but that is not what the fight is about. A costly wall along the entire southern border makes no sense and will not solve the immigration problem. Also it will not solve the drug crisis in this country. Just look at Israel which has still illegal drugs despite a 99,9% effective wall (according to Trump).

We need comprehensive immigration reform and enforcement of existing laws as well as smart technology.

And don’t start on sanctuary policies. Before that issue was politicized it was clearly a law enforcement tool as it should be. Just watch Giuliani defend sanctuary policy when he was mayor of NYC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m0jgZsaT98

Ricardoh January 11, 2019 at 1:57 PM

Riigghhtt.

Feed P. January 11, 2019 at 2:09 PM

Then please explain why pelosi and Schumer were in favor of it sounds me years ago – as was Obama. Once trump won, they changed their tune .

Noting but political hypocrisy from sore losers. Don’t worry, you have 6 more years of trump, because the dems can’t field anyone that’s got a brain. Pocahontas? Cortez? Harris?

Hah!

Rollo Tomasi January 11, 2019 at 4:36 PM

“…despite a 99,9% effective wall (according to Trump)”

Not just President Trump.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt–Israel_barrier

Born here January 12, 2019 at 1:36 PM

BS

Life Liberty and Property January 11, 2019 at 1:44 PM

The American people are responsible, we have allowed too much unnecessary federal goverment.

Highimpactflix January 11, 2019 at 11:23 PM

The smartest comment in this thread.

RSD January 11, 2019 at 1:57 PM

Crying Chuck & Pathetic Polosi are the problem

Doh January 11, 2019 at 2:11 PM

Trump said he would own the shutdown. (Now he says otherwise.)
Trump wants $5.7 billion ineffective solution to an imaginary problem just because he promised his backers repeatedly Mexico would pay for it. (Now he says otherwise.) Take his eyes off the disaster money. It is for real emergencies like hurricanes, floods, earthquakes and fires. It is not for imagined emergencies like an ineffective border wall.

Dawg January 11, 2019 at 2:12 PM

I have my opinion, you have your opinion. I don’t like to argue politics because I will not change your political attitude and you will not change mine. Therefore, I keep most of my political opinions to myself.
But thanks for asking.

Double Dzzz January 11, 2019 at 2:15 PM

over the years Democrats been talking out the sides of their mouths. they touted walls, fences, ect. just to pacify the public but did not act much on the issues of the illegal population. as they knew if status quo went on they would inherit votes with all the free programs that have been set up. now were in this situation that should have been ratified over 30 years ago. Trump is right on all of this crap. no wall no country ! it does have meaning.

Jim R January 11, 2019 at 5:52 PM

So I guess until we wall in that northern border we don’t have a country?

Rob January 11, 2019 at 2:57 PM

I blame the guy who said he would shut the government down and take the blame: Donald J. Trump.

He literally said he would do it and take the blame.

Original G January 11, 2019 at 2:58 PM

Would appear political cartoonist has figured out what’s going on with this shutdown. An reasons illegal immigration has never been effectively addressed.

https://www.gocomics.com/garyvarvel/2019/01/11

Silva January 11, 2019 at 3:02 PM

All of the people who thought there was no harm it was a good idea to elect a seriously incompetent reality show host, with a lifelong record as a failed “businessman” born with a silver spoon in his mouth criminal grifter who never gave a FF about anyone besides himself though they still think he’s really just like one of them and cares about this country and only HE can fix “what’s wrong” with America and make it great for white men again and drain the swamp. It would’ve been easy to read up on the decades long trail of nefarious deeds and destruction of lives and businesses left in his wake as he steered away from one disaster to the next, but they were happy, JOYFUL even to put their fingers in their ears instead, close their eyes and chant “LalalalalaFAKE NEWS!!lalalalalaFAKE NEWS!!lalalalala…”

Dorothy January 11, 2019 at 3:15 PM

Yep

Not a Trump Fan January 11, 2019 at 3:30 PM

Exactly! Well said Silva. All of those people who thought Trump was the lesser of two evils in 2016, we now are sadly reaping what they sowed. He’s as much of a disaster as I predicted.

Anon January 11, 2019 at 3:41 PM

……as opposed to what? A Mafia Queen.

Jojo Potato January 11, 2019 at 4:06 PM

You go Silva! Trump made the wall and the shutdown to be related issues. They are not, it’s one of his stupid negotiating tactics. I feel sorry for the government workers, can you imagine being told by your boss that you can make ends meet by having a garage sale? That’s what they told the Coast Guard employees. Don’t they know it’s raining and garage sales only do well in the summer? No they don’t, our leaders live in gold plated high rises, they’ve never even been in a forest or even walked on the ground except at a golf course and then get driven home in their Escalade. Very sad.

Living downtown January 11, 2019 at 4:06 PM

Silva, right on ! The only thing you left out was his statement that he would own the shutdown.

Dr. Jellyfinger January 11, 2019 at 6:55 PM

It never ceases to amaze me how many of you can ignore the nefarious deeds of the politicians you support while vilifying the opposition for all things real or imagined… Flipping positions for purely partisan political purpose is an act of blatant, moral bankruptcy… nobody is fooled by it….everyone can see it…. history is recorded, the spoken words are captured on video…. can’t you believe your own eyes & ears?

The ultimate betrayal is convincing yourself that your own hypocrisy is OK.

Giddyup January 12, 2019 at 5:20 AM

Actually, Obama and the Social Security Administration obliterated my retirement security, and plunged me into poverty. Turn about is fair play. Welcome to my world! Enjoy your stay. It doesn’t get better. Consider that you will probably have to go back to work at 75, ill and infirm, in order to eat. It will take years for the country to recover from what the likes of Obama did to it.

I could not be happier that I voted for Trump. I heaved a sigh of relief that a white man was elected to put the country back on the track that white men originated for it at its inception. A course that white men have protected throughout its history to make it a remarkable country so attractive to apparently everyone in the workd that they wants to invade it and bend it to THEIR will. Thank God we didn’t get Obama version 2.0 with Hillary or there would be no turning back.

It is time for liberals to draw back their absurd acceptance of every hair-brained idea that comes along, forcing the rest of us ti “go along to get along,” and get a grip on reality. Liberal politically correct policies aren’t good for the country or for the individuals and institutions literally being forced to accept them as a way of life. You wanted “change?” You got it! Get used to it. Conservatives tolerated your liberal manure. Now we’re done.

“The shoe is on the other foot.”

Silva January 11, 2019 at 3:10 PM

You pay for it. There’s still the GoFundMe page I think. I’m not giving him anything. He’s already seriously undercut my retirement as it is.

ZZ January 11, 2019 at 3:11 PM

Just build the damn wall already. Too many years have gone by. We’ve been incrementally losing our sovereignty. Enough is enough.

Jack's Fan January 11, 2019 at 3:22 PM

Career politicians

Not a Trump Fan January 11, 2019 at 7:33 PM

JF, I have always felt that Congress/Senate should have term limits. That would go a long way towards getting rid of Career politicians. However, it’s primarily the GOP that isn’t keeping up with the times. The new congressional photo of this 116th Congress is pathetic. On the right, primarily old white men, while the left looks more like America, with more women, ethnicity and younger than ever before. Fresh minds, different views, and new ideas are desperately needed.

Original G January 11, 2019 at 8:58 PM

Not a Trump Fan … Term limits for Congress, on this we are in total agreement. Also believe after age 72 a panel of Psychiatrists specializing in geriatric evaluations should evaluate for competency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w1OnsBN78Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jdUVzhV_0Q

HooHaa January 11, 2019 at 3:25 PM

Trump and the Republicans that enable him.

The Mamba January 11, 2019 at 3:39 PM

The problem is, both sides are backed into corners ideologically with their parties. At this point, I honestly just think Pelosi and co should give Trump his money and get the 800K plus workers back on the job and paid, Trump will own the wall. I could be wrong, but we’re hurting American workers at this point over a wall which probably won’t do anything to slow down illegal immigration any way. You want to solve the problem? Aggressively go after those that employ people without proper documentation.

94517 January 11, 2019 at 3:51 PM

Leftist liberal socialists.

Pyrrhus January 11, 2019 at 3:52 PM

Trump 100%. He even admitted he is only wanting the wall for political reasons. He only wants his wall because he is playing to the fear of his base, notice how his speech was all doom and gloom?

Everyone knows how ineffective a physical barrier is, let alone Trump’s Fence (What else do you call a see through steel barrier?). Even the right wing think tank The Cato Institute found that a wall would be ineffective and wasteful. The fact is, illegal border crossings have been on a decline for the past 20 years, so why is it a national crisis now? Almost half of all illegal immigrants come here legally and over stay their visa. This is based on 2006 data and experts think it could now be as high as 70%.

The only reason why the government is shutdown right now is because of Trump’s temper tantrum and a spineless Mitch MCconnel. The only reason a spending bill isn’t in front of Trump right now is because Mitch is blocking a vote in the senate because he knows Trump will veto it without the wall money.

Silva January 12, 2019 at 4:17 PM

I bet he knows there are enough Republicans who would vote to override Trump’s veto, then Trump would blame Mitch and fire his wife.

Bill Cutting January 11, 2019 at 4:00 PM

Silva hmmm country of origin Portugal and Brazil. How much CNN do you watch or MSNBC or Vox or vice news I can name all your fake news networks a”” you got is fox on anybody conservative and I would agree fox is horrible but there still more fair and balanced by light years vs any of your outlets but back on the subject at hand you clearly hate white people your racist! read what you wrote make the country great for white man again? Can you please source one Trump speech where he said make America great for white man again? Furthermore you still believe in the right and left paradigm you still haven’t figured out the politicians answer to their overlord bankers, wake up. By the way your name is forest or Woodland the more people that come here the less forests or Woodlands there will be available in America from overpopulation. Illegal or legal immigration means more pollution… we have enough people here as it is and some of you are ungrateful it seems…. And last but not least If we’re going to be on the subject of white people why is it everybody thinks white people are racist but you all want to come to our countries we created? Maybe you would like me to start posting FBI statistics of disproportionate violent crimes committed on whites by minorities that the media has been covering up for some time? Go ahead go check the FBI.gov… go learn reality

Jim R January 11, 2019 at 5:55 PM

wow…

Mumu Bobby January 11, 2019 at 7:18 PM

The racist part. You got that right, that’s for sure. Hyphenated Americans are for losers.

itsme January 11, 2019 at 4:04 PM

Didn’t the President go out of his way to take ownership of this shutdown in that infamous video with Chuck & Nancy in the White House?

Or is he backtracking now, just like his vow to get Mexico to pay for the wall.

I also blame Mitch McConnell. Counting up Senate Democrats and defections from Senate Republicans, there’s a veto-proof majority to pass a Continuing Resolution to fund the government and work out details for border separately. This is already passed in the House. McConnell’s refusal to bring the CR to a vote is responsible for continuing the shutdown.

Jo Ann Hull January 12, 2019 at 1:40 AM

I agree with itsme, Mr Trump has back tracked many times and blaming any one in Congress is not solving the problem. They need to work in Congress to come to a solution by not giving into Mr Trump’s demands. Look what he is doing to the federal shutdown. Penalizing the American people, many who have served their country and he is a disgrace. Congress needs to vote and close this whole subject and maybe Trump should take less for the wall. He doesn’t care about the American people, just his agenda. Shame on you Mr. Trump

Cellophane January 11, 2019 at 4:07 PM

I blame the voters.

We the voters are the people who put those people in power and allow them to behave as they do.

Like what they’re doing? Keep them in office.

Don’t like what they’re doing? Vote them out.

Barney R January 11, 2019 at 4:09 PM

In 2014 Obama, Pelosi Schumer are in video stating their anti illegaligration giews and southern border and ALL agreed it was a crisis even back then yet because they all hate Trump it isn’t a crisis now and their comments reversed.

Bunch if whiney crybabies they are.

Anyone against a barrier to keep ALL illegals out are wimps and crybabies and you need to get slapped around.

Michael January 12, 2019 at 8:38 AM

Bring it on!!!

RANDOM TASK January 11, 2019 at 4:14 PM

For your information all politicians are in it for themselves
Thing is trump has money …repubs have their own money as well
Democrats steal your money through the multitude of programs for problems they create ….bums and illegals and crime and crumbling infrastructure and lacking schools as well as catering to special interests and bullying the working people in favor of giving handouts and encouraging racism and then after they create these problems they use tax money programs to fake action to solve it

The dem lemming voters are th problem so easily mesmerized by multiple bathrooms and open boarders they allow politicians to steal our freedom and money

Over 50 years of dems ruleing this state and this is what you get
Stop blaming potus
This is your utopia enjoy it destroy it devide it what ever
Just stop crying and bullying potus then asking him for money when this crumbling state gets what it has sown ….you allowed corruption now it consumes the state and voters love it apparently and actually vote for it to continue

Problem is with all the screaming for low budget housing and crying because you don’t make enough and crying for programs to assist your entire life …it is you that takes and does not give back into funding this state and then insist on raising taxes to keep it afloat

Guess what you don’t pay taxes so who’s paying higher taxes if everyone is on assisted living and promoting it and placing illegals on it and determined to bring in millions more 8 million illegals in this state allready taking upwards of 65,000 a year in free money and free healthcare and dental and housing and schooling ….tell us all how that can keep going ….Your plan is flawed and none care to recognize it …just vote for higher taxes because your told to do so by your party lol what a joke

Blame potus but it has gone on before and will after
This state is used as a voter tool for politicians and you seem happy to do so
So blame yourself for as long as you can before the floor cola pads under your feet

PO'd January 11, 2019 at 4:26 PM

This issue has been there for at least 40 years, and both parties have ignored the consequences of having an unsecure border. So now, we have a President that wants to secure the border for the 1st time, and congressional leaders that are reversing their previous positions on a fence/wall/moat/razorwire/electric fence… I assume their hatred of Trump brings out the worst and prevents any solution from happening. And the southern border is only half of the issue-the other are overstayed visas not having anything to do with the southern border. Not likely to be addressed anytime soon.
Typical of 21st century politics.

Mary January 11, 2019 at 5:10 PM

Mitch McConnell. Republicans and Dems had an agreement on the budget. House and Senate vote, President vetos, they then vote to override veto. No shutdown. The system our founding fathers put in place works. No one is supposed to have this much power. McConnell refuses to put forth anything Trump won’t sign. McConnell needs to go. And I am a registered Republican but Trump is the worst president EVER.

Jim R January 11, 2019 at 6:00 PM

Sen. McConnell is a stain on the Article 1 Branch. His actions are all about Republican power and zero about respect for the Constitution.

The Senate does not work for the President! Pass the bills, let him veto, see if the veto could be overridden.

Gititogether January 11, 2019 at 5:17 PM

A wall has negative connotations. However…in an era in which jackasses have prevented ICE & border patrol from performing the job that every other country in the world realizes is just commonsense …it’s no wonder that this proposal has gained traction. A better solution…expand funding for both agencies and start federal prosecution or reduce federal funding against any city, county or entity that inhibits lawful law enforcement.

PO'd January 12, 2019 at 6:25 AM

Start with the new Gov of California, as he wants to have FREE healthcare for illegals, and continue to not co-operate with ICE.

Just a thought. January 11, 2019 at 5:37 PM

Americans are to blame. I read that 10.6 million Americans visited Mexico last year. Wouldn’t it be easier just to take over Mexico.

Jim R January 11, 2019 at 5:48 PM

“So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down,…” Trump

Enough said

Fact Checker January 11, 2019 at 5:54 PM

It’s 100% Trump’s fault. The Republicans and Democrats in Congress had an agreement that would have prevented the shutdown, and Republican leadership thought he had agreed to it. But after right-wing media personalities criticized him for going along with it, he decided to reject it and force a shutdown. This is all on Trump.

Robles January 11, 2019 at 6:04 PM

Mexico for not writing the US a check to build the wall.

SeeK January 11, 2019 at 6:21 PM

First: Donald J Trump…he even claimed ownership

Second: Mitch McConnell who won’t allow a vote on the bills the House has passed. Does he think he is smarter than the other senators…is he worried about his wife losing her job..or is he just plain stupid?

Paladin January 11, 2019 at 6:26 PM

Obstructionist, lying, vote buying Democrats.

Robles January 11, 2019 at 8:06 PM

The democrats didn’t sell out to the Russians like Trump did.

Trumps owns this shutdown and is proud of it.

Silva January 11, 2019 at 6:54 PM

Oh. Never mind. I guess the red team doesn’t want to pay for it either.

GoFundMe will refund $20 million to donors who contributed to border wall fundraiser after it fell short of $1 billion goal

https://tinyurl.com/ybk6vfzs

Me January 11, 2019 at 7:15 PM

I was there I help build the wall in the ocean at tj in 97 also sent down their 4 times more for drug control if you really want to know how many come across and the question we had to ask them you would s—h

WC Resident January 11, 2019 at 7:58 PM

As you noticed – they have been coming across in large numbers for decades. Some stay but most of them go back to Mexico. Why is this a “crisis” today, particularly as the number are greatly reduced compared to decades ago?

Ilovepopcorn January 11, 2019 at 7:16 PM

I think we need to have legislation so this will never happen again.
Fault finding does not solve anything.

Mary January 11, 2019 at 8:15 PM

Yes, and it should say you don’t pass a “balanced” budget, you don’t get paid. Your Congressional salaries are forfeited and go into the coffers to run the government during the shutdown. Oh And your health insurance benefits are suspended too. However, finding blame is important so history doesn’t keep repeating itself again and again and again….This could have been prevented.

LostBoysMom January 11, 2019 at 7:46 PM

“President Donald Trump told a group of lawmakers he can’t accept Democrats’ offer to re-open the government as the two sides negotiate border wall funding because he “would look foolish if I did that”,”
This is all on Trump. Not only did he clearly say on national television that he would own the shut down, his wittle ego won’t let him do it! I am so sick of his selfish, narcissitic, greedy, incompetent, criminal behavior. I do also put some blame on those that voted for him and the spineless GOP that are only looking after their own self-interests. Constitution and the will of ALL Americans be damned. Can you tell I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!

Mary January 11, 2019 at 8:31 PM

He looks foolish anyway. And while I didn’t vote for him, I really don’t think those that did had any idea he would be this bad. I think the thought was he would have good people on staff and in his cabinet to say the least. Clearly that did NOT happen. Our system of checks and balances is hijacked and our democracy as we know it is in danger. We should all be as concerned as our allies are about this president.

Giddyup January 11, 2019 at 8:30 PM

I blame the illegal immigrants and their DACA. They’re like the spoiled kid in the family who won’t follow the rules. and keeps the family in turmoil because of it.

Giddyup January 11, 2019 at 8:34 PM

I’m actually enjoying it. I don’t miss them at all and hardly notice they’re gone. Maybe we really don’t need them.

No doubt January 11, 2019 at 8:37 PM

Donald J Trump

RANSOM TASK January 11, 2019 at 9:27 PM

Hmmmm …………………Albert Einstein is broadly credited with exclaiming “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”.

Quote from LBM …..I do also put some blame on those that voted for him and the spineless GOP (you meant DEM RIGHT ) that are only looking after their own self-interests. Constitution and the will of ALL Americans be damned.

See that quote is questionable because we now have more than 2 restroom choices ….why just make them all 1st come first serve =done
ALSO WHY are people forced into being African /American even as Morgan Freeman said why is he referred to as African slash American
HE WAS BORN HERE IN AMERICA …we are American be American and proud

Dems try to segregate everyone or seperate or designate with letters
Why ….. In America …if you are born here your American period
So be American and enjoy freedom of being American
Allowing a party to pass legislation to segregate people and designate and try and take away your right to call yourself AMERICAN ….without a slash
Without being called racist
This country only thrives and survives if everyone respects it and it’s hard fought freedoms that hundreds of thousand fought for
Trying to rule it all with one party only leads to dispair
Be smart be brave be strong ….heal America and force politicians to do the right things or be replaced
One country indivisible ……

Did I Say That Out Loud January 11, 2019 at 10:00 PM

The Ventriloquist and the Dummy….interchangeable….Pelosi and Schumer.

Caskydiver January 11, 2019 at 11:30 PM

The Democrats. They were for the wall before they were against it. $5B is small compared to the annual cost of illegal immigration and compared to the billions Obama sent to Iran. Build the wall.

Big Rob January 12, 2019 at 7:44 AM

Excuse me as I inject a bit of reality here. A country who’s occupants stole it by killing off the original owners and are now wanting to spend our tax money for some dam wall. I recently watched a clip of someone climbing over a section if this wall. Has anyone noted trumps history with his Latino workers? That’s all that needs to be said, a personal agenda!

Silva January 12, 2019 at 12:59 PM

Yep.

Forsythe January 12, 2019 at 8:14 AM

The optics look bad for the Democrats.

Congress is still getting paid, while Government workers are now missing paychecks.

Government employee unions are big donors to Democrat congressional campaigns. Money talks. At some point their unions will pressure Congress to compromise. In addition, the shutdown shines light on the swamp. The swamp doesn’t like the scrutiny.

On camera, Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer appear entrenched and slightly senile.

And then there’s this:

A new Rasmussen Reports survey finds that 48% of likely U.S. voters view the government as not doing enough to stop illegal immigration. This number is up from 43% in August.

On the other hand, the Democrat leadership doesn’t care who gets hurt. Consider how they tried to destroy Justice Kavanaugh.

With Ruth Bader Ginsberg fading in the wings, the Democrat leadership will do all it can to derail the next Trump appointee. The next “Supremes” battle is where we will witness REAL drama.

The shutdown is about power, but that comes and goes. The power of the Supremes lasts a lot longer. The upcoming third Trump Supreme Court appointee threatens the core power structure of the Democrats.

rolling wheels January 12, 2019 at 10:27 AM

They are all to blame, but the dems are the worse, they all agreed in the past its on tape for those who don’t want to believe it. But we all should calm down and just enforce the laws on the books.for starters then go after the people who are supporting the marchers with the money and telling them to cross the border.

Silva January 12, 2019 at 10:52 AM

Mitch McConnell needs to put the bi-partisan agreement to end the shutdown from the House he shot down to a vote in the Senate.

8066 January 12, 2019 at 10:27 AM

Trump is incompetent. Trump is a con man.
People are escaping Guatemala, Honduras, & El Salvador because they don’t want to get killed. Trump has no compassion or empathy. It is all about Trump and his enormous ego. Will Trump resign, get impeached, or get voted out in 2020 ? Trump is the worst president in U.S. history.

Silva January 12, 2019 at 11:18 AM

“A shutdown falls on the president’s lack of leadership. I mean problems start at the top and they have to get solved from the top. A shutdown means the president is weak.” Donald Trump 2013

Forsythe January 12, 2019 at 12:53 PM

@Silva,

You are forgetting one thing. President Trump is a very strong leader. On the other hand, Former President Obama’s weak foreign policy caused problems worldwide.

On January 10th, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo offered a blistering rebuke of Obama’s foreign policy. He Said: “The age of self-inflicted American shame is over.”

And,

“We learned that when America retreats, chaos often follows. When we neglect our friends, resentment builds. And when we partner with our enemies, they advance.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/pompeo-trump-speech-obama-foreign-policy-cairo-2019-1

Silva January 12, 2019 at 1:59 PM

I’ll grant this much, he has very strong hissy fits.

Fred P. January 12, 2019 at 12:20 PM

I blame the liberal hypocrites.

They say “ we don’t govern by tantrums.” Yet who staged a sitout in Congress…including your own beloved desaulnier.

They say “we don’t want walls.” Yet they forget that funds were approved years ago; they were for it; it was supposed to have been built… but where did the money go? And also why do they live behind walls and fences?

If you don’t want walls, then LEAVE YOUR HOUSES AND CARS UNLOCKED! Anything less is pure hypocrisy..

Did I forget about the riots and violence carried out by the liberals when trump was elected? How many riots did you see when the democrats took over the house?

Yup….the hypocrisy is strong in the democrat party.

And for those who welcome in the illegal aliens… take them into your house and feed them. Let’s see how much compassion or empathy YOU have. You’re not doing it? You’re just still whining about Trump winning in 2016. Get over it.

Now it’s time for the liberals to start wailing, knashing their teeth and tossing around personal insults…. once again, displaying their hypocrisy about throwing tantrums.

Forsythe January 12, 2019 at 6:23 PM

Speaking of leaders with bad tempers, it’s a miracle that Hillary lost. Her foul temper was well known, and it didn’t help her get votes. She treated people around like dirt. Of course, the miracle of her defeat is a blessing on many levels.

The Fearless Spectator January 12, 2019 at 6:55 PM

It’s not really a hissy fit, it’s more like a petulant frenzy.

However in politics history has shown that childlike behavior is not unusual or party specific.

Family Values January 13, 2019 at 9:40 AM

The government shutdown is because of Trump. Both the Senate and the House had a CR deal until February, the budget of which was originally requested by the White House (that fact is hardly ever publicized but look it up), but then Trump said he wanted more money for border security and said he would veto the legistation already agreed upon by Congress. That change lead to the shutdown.. At the time, both the Senate and the House were controlled by Rupublicans, however the Senate needed Democrats to be on board with any changes to pass legistation, which they were not. Since then, the Democrats have taken control of the house and passed a bill to re-open the government, but it won’t be heard on the Senate, because the leader won’t bring it to a vote. And thus, that’s where we’ve been until now.

Even if any legistation were to pass both House and Senate and it goes to the White House for approval and say it receives a veto, both the Senate and the House can override a veto with 2/3rds vote. A veto override has happened to just about every president of the modern era.

The shutdown is completely unnecessary.

The president has said he’s considering using emergency powers to build a wall, which if he does, this is all for naught, however I believe Congress is supposed to grant that power, which brings us back to where we are.

Here’s a thought, re-open government and continue to work on border security as it’s own legislation.

Fred P. January 16, 2019 at 6:05 AM

If walls don’t work, why have prisons?

If walls don’t work, why do pelosi, et al, live behind walls and fences?

If walls don’t work, why were the Democrats pushing for it years ago?

Sure, trump may “own” it. But the liberal hypocrites own it too.

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