Claycord – Talk About Local Politics

November 2, 2018 19:00 pm · 39 comments

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This special post is “Talk About LOCAL Politics”.

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concord grape November 2, 2018 at 7:43 PM

Boo Markey Mark

Brad November 2, 2018 at 10:02 PM

Hey. Not all cops are good cops. They may have had good intentions but in keeping quiet the things they see, they’re complicit

Liberals are like religions. Closed minded to facts with entire fields dedicated to learning more every day.
Don’t be a republican though. They’re just another corrupt arm of the party of Antifa…
Be smart, Be a libertarian.

Recall ‘Em All November 2, 2018 at 10:36 PM

Your vote counts!
Please take the time to contribute to your future.

Lazy One November 3, 2018 at 3:23 PM

The city of Martinez has taken away the right of many of its American citizens to vote at a polling place on election day. The city claims that our district is too small and we must vote by mail. Funny that I have been placing my vote at city hall for many years and now I can not. I think this is just a way for the city to control the election. How do I know if my vote is counted? Even if we bring our ballots in we can not place the ballots into the ballot box. There is a separate box for vote by mail. This has voter fraud written all over it. The corruption in Martinez just keeps growing.

KAD November 3, 2018 at 5:33 PM

You can check on the County web site to see if your ballot was counted.

Lazy One November 3, 2018 at 3:25 PM

Martinez, vote no on X and Q. It is time the city and school district be accountable for the money it spends. Enough of sticking it to the taxpayers.

Smith November 3, 2018 at 3:30 PM

It’s time for a change. Vote Wan and Buddel for Clayton City Council.

Anonx November 3, 2018 at 3:54 PM

I’m really stumped on prop 12. I was thinking yes for better treatment for animals but after reading it now I’m not sure. Thoughts?

KAD November 3, 2018 at 5:31 PM

Vote Yes on 12. An animal rights friend of mine checked with other Animal rights groups including Mercy for Animals. They all said to vote Yes on 12.

Anonx November 3, 2018 at 8:47 PM

Thanks Kad!
I will be voting yes as well. I was just confused because PETA was against it.

KAD November 4, 2018 at 12:42 AM

I know. We can’t figure out why PETA did that.

Smith November 4, 2018 at 12:45 AM

The arguments against 12 in the Voters Phamphlet indicated that, if passed, it would diminish the protections mandated by voters in years past with reference to caring for animals destined to become food, or produce eggs, i.e., veal, pork, and chickens. It was said to be an alliance between the Humane Society of the United States and producers of these food products and actually made things worse overall, reversing many of the earlier protections. I believe it gave some rationale for the HSUS partnering with farmers to weaken earlier protections mandated by voters. It was one of those Propositions that was intenrionally confusing. Voting “No” maintains the more rigorous protections currently in place according to the timeline originally set and I can see why PETA would recommend it.

Hope Johnson November 4, 2018 at 7:59 AM

I am voting No on Prop 12. It attempts to define terms in the animal rights Prop 2 that do not correspond with what was the intention of the law.

Current law requires hens, breeding pigs, and calves be able to turn around freely, lie down, stand up, and fully extend all limbs. Prop 12 wants to define a specific space – 1 square foot for hens, 24 square feet for breeding pigs, and 43 square feet for calves. The Prop 2 language allows for fluctuation in circumstances so that for example a hen must have enough room to so she can spread her wings fully. Prop 12 wants to define that as 1 square foot of space, without regard to allowance for spreading her wings.

Prop 12 also defines “cage free” as 1-1.5 square feet of space inside a building. I think most people believe cage free means the hens have some outside space.

Better to define these terms in a way that doesn’t divide animal rights groups.

Silva November 4, 2018 at 12:31 PM

Thanks, Hope. That helped me a lot. a few of the nature/animal organizations I pay attention too have been canvasing for yes votes, but 1 square foot for hens is too danged small.

KAD November 4, 2018 at 8:16 PM

I sure wish we had this conversation before I voted.

WC Resident November 4, 2018 at 10:52 PM

I too am undecided on 12. ballotpedia is usually good at providing neutral data on propositions but their page about prop 12 shows a mix of organizations both for and against it.

Something else that bugs me is that nobody has said what was wrong with the law we voted for 2012 about the same thing. If the proposed law says 43 square feet per calf what’s to stop me from putting the calf in a box that’s 3 feet high 4.3 feet wide, and 10 feet long? A box that size would be allowed under the proposed law is worded but fails the intent of what we voted for in 2012.

Silva November 5, 2018 at 7:56 AM

WC Resident, Thank you for mentioning ballotpedia. It’s a new one for me, and I’m liking it. https://ballotpedia.org

Kentucky Derby November 5, 2018 at 8:50 AM

I was undecided on Prop 12 too until I read that it will likely raise the prices on eggs, pork and veal. I’m concerned for others who can’t afford a price increase on anything, especially senior citizens.

Anon November 5, 2018 at 8:20 PM

@kentucky derby. I’m sorry but that’s poor logic. The increase will not cause companies to out price them selves. Probably just a few dollars more and that’s a small price to pay for better treatment of our amimals. Crowded cages actually leads to disease outbreaks among the animals. People are selfish if maybe a dollar or two more for meat and eggs will cause them to be okay with the mistreatment of our animals. PLEASE VOTE NO ON 12

Kentucky Derby November 5, 2018 at 10:26 PM

Anon – I did Vote NO on 12. A yes vote raises the prices. A yes vote on most propositions costs money, and that’s why so many propositions don’t pass.

WC Resident November 6, 2018 at 1:41 PM

For the first time ever I changed my vote on a filled in ballot and went with “no” on 12 as it seems the current system is better for the animals. I’m also a proponent of subjective standards. People who want bright-line standards also tend to push things to legal limits in favor of observing the spirit of a rule or law. The downside of a subjective standard is that a rule enforcer, or the neighborhood nitpick, can make things difficult.

I’m not as concerned about potential increases in the prices as it seemed they would be relatively small. There would be a one time cost to convert farms/ranches and processing facilities from the 2012 rules to the 2018 rules and then an ongoing cost or cost savings depending on if the proposed 2018 rules mean more or less revenue per acre or square foot.

Silva, you may also like https://calmatters.org/ which covers political topics in a mostly neutral way. I learned about that site from Catharine Baker, a local Republican who smells like a Democrat.

Barge November 3, 2018 at 4:52 PM

I think this could possibly be a new record. Concord city councilman Ron Leone could actually lose 2 elections in the same calendar year. He lost in the primary for CoCo County school superintendent and could lose next week up for election for city council. I have heard of an instance where the same person could run for multiple offices the same year.

Well Folks November 5, 2018 at 8:17 AM

Barge – this scenario kind of gives a person a warm fuzzy feeling doesn’t it???? Now if there could be a two-fer and Concord could get rid of Hoffmeister & Leone life would be grand

No Excuses November 3, 2018 at 5:45 PM

Poor Brad…doesn’t realize Libertarians are simply a hired wing of the Dem Party, USED to ‘split’ off the votes of any strong Republican challange. Libertarians paid for and supported by back room Demobrats. Wake up Brad.

Qweefy November 3, 2018 at 9:23 PM

And of course the Green Party is simply a hired wing of the Republican Party, USED to “split” off the the votes of any strong Democrat challenge. Wake up “No Excuses”. Whata crackpot theory.

MDUSD Employee No on J November 4, 2018 at 12:52 PM

As a school district employee, I will vote no on J. My health insurance premium through the district is increasing $1200/year effective 1/1/19, my property taxes have increased by $115/year, the district is now claiming that there is no money for a salary increase that was expected retro to 7/1/18, and now they are asking for another $70/year property tax increase. Nope, not getting my vote.

WC Resident November 4, 2018 at 10:55 PM

I’m “no on J” because we are already paying for three MDUSD related things on our property taxes. The wording of J is nearly identical to the earlier bonds. I’ll wait until the existing bonds sunset and then we’ll have a conversation about what they need money for.

CDE Watcher November 5, 2018 at 12:45 AM

Unfortunately the Mt. Diablo Unified School District are not being upfront in their campaign.

The school district needs much, much more than they declared.

They also realize their budget may require the need to request a loan from the State due to not being able to balance their budget in the coming years while dealing with pensions and a new contract with their teachers union.

Bonds are not protected from being used for salary and benefits if the district has no money and requires a State loan. The State can offset with a loan, but only if a district has exhausted all other funds, including bonds.

This is why the bond is only requested at 150 million. Anyone with knowledge of this school district realizes more is needed.

Smith November 4, 2018 at 11:12 PM

Once again, the Voter’s Pamphlet from Contra Costa County, printed on expensive 20 lb bond paper, contained excessive amounts of unnecessary translations making it four times the size it needed to be. I tore off everything I couldn’t, or didn’t, need and it went from about 150 pages to under about 30. Think what this costs the County to mail, as well. It makes much more sense to print it on lightweight recycled newsprint, making translations only available on request rather than sending the expensive to produce and mail pamphlet to everybody.

They seem to be spending money to produce the pamphlet like the money belonged to somebody else. Oh, right, it does. It belongs to us taxpayers. They need to start spending it like it was their own, and it’s hard to believe they are so profligate with taxpayer money. Is anybody with a budget overseeing the production of this pamphlet?

mtzman November 5, 2018 at 12:11 AM

Once again, the county doesn’t have much of a choice here. It’s a requirement of federal law.

Smith November 5, 2018 at 12:50 PM

Federal law requires they print it on 20 lb bond paper? Then how does the state manage to print theirs on recycled newsprint? Federal law may require that they print other languages, but I doubt they are required to mail it to every registered voter in every language on 20 lb. bond paper.

The state is breaking federal law with its “sanctuary” kaka. Oakland and others are breaking federal law in not cooperating with ice agents in prisioner detentions. Seems it’s a pick and choose menu which laws liberals will follow. I guess the county could print their Voters Pamphlet on recycled newsprint and break federal law, or is that too sensible? It’s not their money they’re wasting, it is ours. Or, do they have more than they know what to do with?

FYI November 5, 2018 at 2:51 PM

I just heard a California Chicken raiser say, California already has better rules about farming chickens. So she is voting NO on 12. An egg seller from Petaluma and Windsor. Her husband goes out regularly to listen to his chickens to hear is any thing is wrong. It takes about 20 minutes of sitting with them to determine their state of mind.

A delightful woman. She invites you to visit her farm. Sorry I did not catch her name, but she is a huge distributor in CA. Petaluma and Windsor.

FYI

jtkatec November 6, 2018 at 9:57 AM

Now that’s some good chicken farming…. but really would they actually discuss their health with a human?

Pat November 6, 2018 at 1:39 PM

I voted. Did you? If you didn’t please refrain from commenting in this link. No one wants to hear complaints that you do nothing about!

Jess Hernandez November 6, 2018 at 9:27 PM

These animals give their lives unwillingly for us, the least we can do is to treat them well, I have reduced my consumption of animal products.

anotheranon November 6, 2018 at 10:42 PM

Well, it looks like Leone will have to start looking for a REAL job, now that he’s apparently lost the election. No more city council job, no assistant superintendent at CVCHS. Probably get a cushy job with one of his developer buddies. Or maybe the garbage company. Wonder if he knows how to drive a truck.

Hope Johnson November 7, 2018 at 3:14 PM

What are the odds he’ll end up on the Lennar/Five Point payroll?

Recall 'Em All November 8, 2018 at 5:23 AM

Leone will want to remove as much money from us as possible, via a free ride with the City. He’ll lobby to become the head of an ARTS Commission!

Fyi November 7, 2018 at 4:49 PM

Someone else is using FYI and mine comments aren’t post ing any more!

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