The Water Cooler – Driving: Is it a Privilege or a Right?

June 20, 2018 12:00 pm · 28 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it.

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon.

Today’s question:

Give us your opinion….Is driving a privilege or a Right?

Talk about it….

wave June 20, 2018 at 12:04 PM

Driving is a privilege….it is not a right.
In order to drive, one must insurance, be of age and must pass tests (both written and driving) before one can drive.

martinezmike June 20, 2018 at 12:16 PM

Neither. Driving is a skill. Not a privilege or a right. On the other hand… the law is an ass. 😀

Pedal to Metal June 20, 2018 at 1:42 PM

MartinezMike,
You must be one of those adults that is now riding a bmx/mountain bike now that your skills got way ahead of your common sense.
Driving is a privilege.

Concord74 June 20, 2018 at 12:22 PM

Driving is a PRIVILEGE – not a right!!

Concord74 June 20, 2018 at 12:22 PM

Driving is a PRIVILEGE – not a right!!

Dawg June 20, 2018 at 12:27 PM

Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness, is written into the Declaration of Independence. This means we have the right to freely pursue joy and happiness as long as we don’t do anything illegal or violate other peoples rights.
Operating a motor vehicle brings me joy and happiness.
The DMV tires to convince us it’s a privilege.
As long as we operate a motor vehicle in a legal manner and don’t violate the rights of others, it should not be defined as a privilege but as a right.
We lose our freedom when the government takes away our rights and hands them back to us as privileges.

Pookie June 20, 2018 at 3:54 PM

good try, if interpretation came into play.

Frank Faragasso June 21, 2018 at 9:29 AM

The Declaration of Independence is not a legal document. Driving is a privilege for which you, in California, have to meet some very low standards of skill and pass a test designed to be passed by illiterates.

Foonman June 20, 2018 at 12:31 PM

The drivers manual says its a privilege…..

Anon June 20, 2018 at 12:34 PM

You have the RIGHT to travel.
Which is why pedestrians are permitted on WB 4 between Willow Pass rd and PCH…….because they blocked access due to the Naval Weapons station.

You’re getting into the whole sovereign / strawman argument – an area Claycord doesn’t want to go (unless you want to bash, anything goes in that case).

Well Folks June 22, 2018 at 9:05 AM

Anon – yes you have the right to travel but the mode of travel is not specified. Of course with the way things are going I’m waiting for the gov’t to start making us get “travel papers”.

Dee June 20, 2018 at 12:37 PM

It is a privilege

Life, Liberty and Property June 20, 2018 at 12:42 PM

Driving is an ability. Having a license is a privilege. The rights involved are property rights regarding the car itself.

You can buy a car without a license, therefore you have the right to own a car if you have the means to purchase one. You can operate a car without a license, even legally if on private property, so driving is an ability. Using public roads is a privilege that requires authoritarian government to grant permission if you agree to forfeit some actual rights for the illusion of safety.

mike June 20, 2018 at 3:42 PM

best answer^

Keep all three barrels up June 20, 2018 at 12:43 PM

Driving is a privilege.

stumpy June 20, 2018 at 12:45 PM

Driving is a privilege that many people abuse

Captain Bebops June 20, 2018 at 12:55 PM

A necessity in California and much of the US since mass transit has been so poorly thought out. And unlike Europe which has a dense population the US is spread out and some place you won’t be able to get to without a car. Even the the Soviet Union was able to survive it’s crash because it had good mass transit. Here in the Bay Area trolley lines were turned into hiking trails which might have served the public better as light rail.

Outside Looking In June 20, 2018 at 1:48 PM

Fun fact: California had a pretty decent public transit system that was bought out and then torn out in the 1940’s by the oil companies to make people need cars. It wasn’t just the plot to ‘Who Framed Roger Rabbit’.

Kirkwood June 20, 2018 at 3:08 PM

Probably right. I remember the noisy trolleys in Oakland and Berkeley, also seeing the Key System trains marshaled at the east end of the Bay Bridge. At that time the bridge was trains and trucks only on the lower deck.

Gitittogether June 20, 2018 at 1:55 PM

Privileges are arbitrary.

However, people have the right to believe that stooges employed by the government which is designed the people, financed by the people and beholding to the people, have the right to dictate what is a right.

Mike June 20, 2018 at 1:57 PM

A better question would be to substitute “2nd Amendment” for driving.

Probably get the same response (sarcasm)

Bad Nombre June 20, 2018 at 2:27 PM

David Hogg is quoted as saying “we have to get morally just leaders elected”. Bad news for Gavin Newsom!

Mark June 20, 2018 at 2:38 PM

Do we all pay taxes to maintain roads?

Pookie June 20, 2018 at 3:59 PM

Supposedly, but looking at our roads, I can’t say that they use it for that purpose. Probably funnel it into the Bullet Train Fund.

RANDOM TASK June 20, 2018 at 3:04 PM

sorry DAWG

under your theory then anyone who can pay to play has the right

Well there are plenty of children who are tall enough and smart enough to pass a driving test and have parents to pay for it sooo hmmm

lest we forget the child who ran down a family on the sidewalk who had a license and had up to date tags

I call him a child because he did not serve adult time did he …women and children ran down and he got 6 months and will be asserting his right to drive again right …..or maybe he should have to ride bus or taxi or uber …and lose his right to drive …as you say

now would you want to be on a train or boat or plane or even an uber with some child driving or a person who pays all their fees and then cares not for safety to operate that machine

driving is a privilege because otherwise anyone can pay and do it

as children we walk ride bikes and yet how could we without knowing when and where to look for danger or obey laws right

driving is a privilege because not everyone should be able to do it regardless of how much money they have …

its a privilege because you need to know what you are doing and how dangerous it is to operate said vehicle and be responsible <<<

driving is a privilege because you can walk ….you do not need to drive there are other means

it is a privilege ..even though the DMV will take anyones money as they have been for over 30 years and we all know how the roads are today

a privilege is not bought or given lightly by payment or threat

IT IS GIVEN BY SOCIETY AND YOU ARE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD WHN IT IS GIVEN …..OR ELSE ANYONE CAN DO IT…..
RIGHT

RANDOM TASK June 20, 2018 at 3:09 PM

YES WE DO PAY TAXES FOR ROADS ….WOW

WHY BECAUSE WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE DIRT AND DUST

PLEASE WITH THIS WE PAY …YOU PAY FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT TO USE THE ROADS AND FOR TAXI AND FOR UBER AND FOR SOMONE ON A BIKE OR WALKING ….YOU WILL NEED TO DO ONE OF THOSE RIGHT JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE ….SO DO NOT TWIST IT

WE DONT NEED TO PAY TAXES AT ALL AND WE CAN BE JUST LIKE MEXICO …WE ALL LOVE THAT RIGHT …OHH SORRY LEFT

Dave June 20, 2018 at 7:49 PM

You need help, amigo.

THE BLACK KNIGHT June 23, 2018 at 9:29 PM

While traveling is a right, driving is a privilege.

The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly recognized and ruled that an individual has the “right to travel” on the roadways and highways of the United States.

The U.S. Supreme Court has also repeatedly recognized and ruled that under the “legal definition” of “driving” an individual is engaged in a “commercial activity.”

When most of us say we are “driving,” we are in fact “traveling,” because we are using the everyday definition of “driving,” and not the legal definition of “driving” as recognized under federal law.

The State of California has changed the “legal definition” of driving to “operating a motor vehicle.” The California State Constitution states “The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land.” Federal law always trumps state law!

It’s all about using the correct “legal” jargon and correct “legal” documents when dealing with a “Peace Officer” and/or “Judge.” You can effectively argue that you’re engaging in your right to travel or drive (Using the federal “legal” definition of “driving” and using the everyday “lay” definition of “driving”)

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