Labor Union Continues With Scheduled Protests, Kaiser Permanente Refutes All Claims

February 22, 2018 14:00 pm · 26 comments

Kaiser Permanente responded to 32 union protests being held across California during February and March by calling them “uncalled for and counterproductive.”

Kaiser Permanente’s Vice President of Communications John Nelson said that the picketing and “misleading and inaccurate statements” about Kaiser does not mean employees are striking and that operations will go on normally during scheduled picketing from Feb. 14 to March 15.

Service Employees International Union-United Healthcare Workers West protested this week at the Kaiser in Santa Clara against “plans that will undermine patient care.”

According to the SEIU-UHW, outsourcing jobs and wage cuts are being threatened by Kaiser Permanente.

Spokespeople said that Kaiser Permanente said they wanted to reduce wage rates by 20 percent in the Central Valley and 10 percent in the Sacramento area.

The SEIU-UHW also alleged that Kaiser Permanente plans to outsource 245 pharmacy warehouse jobs in Oakland, Livermore and Downey and lay off 700 employees in Southern California to move the jobs where the
corporation can pay workers $2 less an hour.

Kaiser Permanente responded to the outsourcing allegations by saying that they only outsource work when it keeps their quality care at affordable prices.

“We sometimes find it necessary to outsource work that is ancillary to our core mission, and which can more effectively be performed by outside experts,” Nelson said.

Nelson said that when it is necessary to outsource work, employees can utilize protections represented by the company’s labor-management partner unions, which include a one-year period in which affected employees can
continue to be compensated with pay and benefits while the company looks to “redeploy them.”

The supposed 700 layoffs in Southern California “are simply not true,” according to Nelson.

To the wage concern, Nelson said that wage cuts are not being proposed to any current employees in any region of the Kaiser centers.

Kaiser Permanente’s spokesman went on to state that they have concluded that an external pharmacy storage and distribution is the best option for meeting the needs of their members. They are not sure yet how many
positions will be affected so any specific claims by the SEIU-UHW are “premature and may in fact be wrong.”

While SEIU-UHW clarified that their contract with Kaiser ends on Sept. 30, 2018, Kaiser Permanente said that they are not contract bargaining and that they have not offered wage proposals for SEIU-UHW members.

“We certainly may make additional improvements and changes in the future, and we will communicate them as we always do: transparently and thoughtfully,” Nelson said.

The next protest put together by the SEIU-UHW will take place at the Kaiser Permanente facility in San Jose Friday from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m.

Mike February 22, 2018 at 2:36 PM

When the insurance company is also the care provider, one can assume there would be some conflict of interest.

Stater of the Obvious February 23, 2018 at 2:53 PM

when the insurer is also the provider one can assume that they have a very big motive to ensure that their pool of insured are as healthy as they can possibly be. This is a good thing in case you weren’t paying attention.

Wayne landana February 22, 2018 at 3:28 PM

Typical unions with baseless claims. They hate everything about corporate progress and live in constant fear their jobs will be outsourced or replaced by machines. Get with the times.

Sam February 22, 2018 at 6:36 PM

It amazes me that with the 30+ unions that Kaiser contracts with, SEIU always has an issue with something.

Faux Nudes February 22, 2018 at 6:41 PM

Kaiser does its best to kill off its policy holders rather than pay for medical services required. Happened to 2 friends; it could happen to you.

Serious? February 22, 2018 at 7:54 PM

Oh, please.

Jerk February 22, 2018 at 8:33 PM

That’s because that is THEIR ADMITTED to Business Model – They make Money By DENYING People services.
It’s the Reason why Nixon approved HMOs. Watch it out of His own lips on YT. Last I checked………..They haven’t changed their business model.

Here’s the Top three Kaiser Answers: It’s “Allergies”. It’s “High Blood Pressure”. “You have High Cholesterol”.
All that so they can sell you some drugs.
No cures – Only Management of Problems to Assure a Repeat Customer.

Faux Nudes February 22, 2018 at 10:38 PM

A female co-worker saw a doctor about severe abdominal pain. He gave her antacids and said it was a mild intestinal upset. She went back to the ER a day later with heavy vaginal bleeding and they diagnosed an ectopic pregnancy. She barely survived and lost the ability to bear children. The second friend saw his doctor about persistent headaches and they gave him aspirin and prescribed bed rest. He went to the ER a few days later with severe brain swelling from a viral infection. he didn’t make it.

Jerk is absolutely correct! They are in it for the $$$ not the care of patients – that costs money.

Frank February 22, 2018 at 10:39 PM

I have been a member of Kaiser since 1973 never had a complaint and they have improved services consistently. The health professionals I have seen over the years have always been top quality and focused on preventive medicine. They would rather help you keep healthy than have to cure you because of your bad habits. When you do get ill or injured they provide top notch care.

I agree February 23, 2018 at 7:05 AM

Kaiser is crappy. My sister goes into Kaiser and after several trips gets diagnosed with Ovarian Cancer. They refer her to an Oncologist, but she can’t see him for 6 weeks because he’s on “vacation.” After several more trips to their ER to deal with symptoms they send her on to UCLA for treatment. She was dead within six months of diagnosis.
My best friend had Kaiser and at 20 she became ill. Kaiser jerked her parents around for 6 months. They finally went to a private doctor who diagnosed her cancer. She was dead after 8 months of diagnosis. These are just two of several young people I know who have died under the slow bureaucratic Kaiser system.

Kaiser Survivor February 24, 2018 at 8:47 AM

I’m 52, my Kaiser experiences of the last several years have been mostly excellent. Had a couple minor atrocities over the years, mostly bureaucratic rather than hands on care.
Anecdotally, my coworker’s wife, and my best friend’s mother-in-law both died from cancers that they couldn’t get Kaiser to take seriously until it was too late. Before these, I was already aware that death by Kaiser neglect was a well known phenomenon. Unless I am a statistical outlier, that’s a lot of people fairly close to me to die in the same fashion.

Anonymous February 22, 2018 at 8:48 PM

SEIU always babbles about supposed horrible conditions . They are well known as the least trustworthy union in CA .

I guess the idea of keeping health care costs down is not something they are down with.

lunmycats February 22, 2018 at 9:18 PM

To Jerk: You are 100% wrong sir. Kaiser makes money by keeping people well. It behooves them to have well patients, then they save money in the long run. We have had Kaiser for over 30yrs. & they have been wonderful to us. I was given two total hip replacements right off the bat, after Dr. saw the x-rays. No fighting or return visits. It was needed & they did it. I had excellent care too with home nurses coming for a week to monitor my progress. No, they are not going to treat the common cold with antibiotics or any other minor medical thing that could be treated at home, but they have high quality doctors & care that is comparable to the best hospitals. Go elsewhere if you don’t like it but stop telling lies. I am more inclines to believe your aliments were Allergies, Blood Pressure or High Cholesterol. Also they buy drugs in bulk & we are charged lower fees due to that fact right there. They do not make money on drugs!

Jerk February 23, 2018 at 6:54 AM

You people make it too easy. Still waiting for you to debunk the “Nixon’s HMO” clip………….

Who’s lying? Kaiser, Nixon or you?

lunmycats February 22, 2018 at 9:20 PM

To Jerk: You are 100% wrong sir. Kaiser makes money by keeping people well. It behooves them to have well patients, then they save money in the long run. We have had Kaiser for over 30yrs. & they have been wonderful to us. I was given two total hip replacements right off the bat, after Dr. saw the x-rays. No fighting or return visits. It was needed & they did it. I had excellent care too with home nurses coming for a week to monitor my progress. No, they are not going to treat the common cold with antibiotics or any other minor medical thing that could be treated at home, but they have high quality doctors & care that is comparable to the best. Go elsewhere if you don’t like it but stop telling lies. I am more inclines to believe your aliments were Allergies, Blood Pressure or High Cholesterol. Also they buy drugs in bulk & we are charged lower fees due to that fact right there. They do not make money on drugs!

Frank February 22, 2018 at 10:40 PM

Jerk couldn’t be more wrong. But seems to excel at being wrong.

KAD February 22, 2018 at 11:45 PM

I know three people that Kaiser has harmed by not giving good health care. 1 died, 1 has 1 eye left, the other one is deaf in one ear. Some people love Kaiser, but I am not one of them. I had Kaiser for 20 years but no longer.

Jerk February 23, 2018 at 6:57 AM

Yes, I know of a woman who woke up from I think gallbladder surgery without a HAND.
Something about how they put the IV in hit a nerve and the hand fell asleep, Really?!?!

But of course Kaiser employs 60,000 people so no surprise that the defenders would be here promoting.

Anonymous February 23, 2018 at 5:42 AM

I knew two people that had Kaiser and they both died! One was 97 and the other 103!

MakeMyDay February 23, 2018 at 6:13 AM

Every treating health institute has mistakes. Not just Kaiser. No matter were you go for treatment you need to be your own advocate. You need to listen to your body and you need to stop being okay with accepting unusual pain in your body system. Pain is your bodies way to say something is wrong. If you don’t think you are getting the right care there is always a higher up supervisor to speak to, to escalate your concern to, and Kaiser takes those very serious!

Pac islander February 23, 2018 at 7:03 AM

I love how people here complain about bad employees at kaiser.
Guess what. When your crappy employee mid diagnoses you or makes you worse because they didn’t do a good job at work.
Remember: it’s the union that doesn’t let the management fire that crappy employee.

Seiu shops have the worst customer service, worst productivity rates and largest budget problems.

Just look at all the govt seiu employees…

Always Right February 23, 2018 at 7:29 AM

Much of the high cost of healthcare is associated with the very high wages and benefits unions extort from monopoly hospitals.

The nurses union is the worst.

Christina February 23, 2018 at 9:34 AM

everyone deserves a nurse to walk into their hospital room and give the best care possible. a nurse being mandated to work more than their shift(now you have a tired/burnt out nurse) coming into your loved one’s room (with possibly no lunch because there was nobody to watch them while he/she ate) and management that would rather go to court to prevent nurses from standing up to voice the fact that PATIENTS DESERVE BETTER THAN THIS.. is why America needs unions and unions to back one another

KAD February 23, 2018 at 4:18 PM

My daughter is fighting to keep her job right now because she is trying to give good care to Kaiser patients. The supervisor’s are telling her she is taking too much time (advise nurse) talking to the patient’s that call in for advise. She is receiving good marks with results but taking too much time. That shows you that all Kaiser cares about is money.

Serious? February 25, 2018 at 3:34 PM

Or she is slow and not very smart, but cannot be fired because of a terrorist union?

Lorelei February 26, 2018 at 8:47 AM

Kaiser care is expensive. Kaiser care is excellent. You get what you pay for.

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