Congressman DeSaulnier Wants State to Build Another Bridge Across the San Francisco Bay

December 11, 2017 8:00 am · 69 comments

Federal lawmakers are pushing the Metropolitan Transportation Commission to build a new bridge across the San Francisco Bay, but state Sen. Scott Wiener, D-San Francisco, says that funding could be better used to build another cross-bay BART tunnel.

Rep. Mark DeSaulnier, D-Concord, and U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California, sent a letter Wednesday urging the MTC to construct an additional east-to-west bridge south of the Bay Bridge to ease commuting traffic, which has increased by 80 percent since 2010.

“The traffic demands on our streets and transit systems have become intolerable,” the letter said. “Quality of life is suffering; and, our economy is not nearly thriving as much as it could be if these transportation challenges were addressed.”

Senate Bill 595, which was passed by the Legislature and signed by Gov. Jerry Brown, and Regional Measure 3, which is set to go before voters in 2018, are expected to generate funding that could be used to ease traffic in the Bay Area, according to DeSaulnier and Feinstein.

But Wiener wants to see that money allocated to public transit, rather than moving “one car at a time across a toll bridge.”

“Whatever the merits are of another bridge across the Bay, it is simply not as important as building a second transbay rail crossing,” Wiener said in a statement.

“A second tube can mean more BART trains running, including 24 hour service, a connection between Caltrain and the Capitol Corridor, and high speed rail to the East Bay,” Wiener said. “That is how we are going to
reduce gridlock, not by building another bridge that pours more cars onto our highways on both sides of the Bay.”

There are currently four east-to-west bridges crossing the Bay, including the Richmond-San Rafael Bridge that connects the San Rafael area to Richmond along Interstate Highway 580, the Bay Bridge that connects San
Francisco to Oakland along Interstate Highway 80, the San Mateo-Hayward Bridge that connects Foster City to Hayward along state Highway 92, and the Dumbarton Bridge that connects Menlo Park to Fremont along state Highway 84.

It makes sense to me December 11, 2017 at 8:12 AM

Here it comes another tax increase, Thank goodness we building that Crazy Train.

Sick of it December 11, 2017 at 8:15 AM

Wouldn’t trust them to do it. Look at how far the bay bridge went over budget and how many problems it has had with construction issues. They would build it. Pay too much for it and then raise all bridge tolls to cover there screw up. In the mean time all of the roads in the are continue to fall apart and the money grab they did with the gas tax would end up going to the bridge and our roads still would not be fixed

Mel December 11, 2017 at 9:08 AM

Well, it is that or BART. I don’t trust either option! We all know how great BART is and how they always stick to their word. They are certainly not abusing our tax money….

idiot hater December 11, 2017 at 8:31 AM

Yeah, maybe Gov. Brown’s bullet train $$ can pay for it.

Venice December 11, 2017 at 8:37 AM

Too late stooopid Mark, moonbeam blew the money on his pet crazy train to nowhere. Maybe we could raise the tax on gas and pay more for our auto registration.

Gary December 11, 2017 at 8:37 AM

Seiner is lying, another tunnel would not result in 24 hour BART service UNLESS BART has been telling fibs for decades. According to BART Unlike some public transit systems with multiple sets of tracks on the same routes, BART doesn’t have the duplication that would allow us to run trains on one set while performing maintenance on another. Third-rail power has to be shut down for maintenance crews to be able to operate safely and do the work that keeps the system safe and reliable. And the trains can’t run when the power is down.

Dawg December 11, 2017 at 8:43 AM

Well, let’s see. The east end of the Bay Bridge collapsed on October 17, 1989. Then they talked about building a new east end. They talked about it, they studied it, they talked about it some more and they studied it some more. They finally got it done and open for public use on September 2, 2013. It only took them 22 years and 11 months.
The original Bay Bridge was built in 3 years and 7 months. What did they know in 1936 that they don’t know today?

Town December 11, 2017 at 8:55 AM

Less red tape

Mel December 11, 2017 at 9:06 AM

There were fewer democrats then?

Elvis December 11, 2017 at 8:38 PM

Northern California used to be the Republican part of the state

Elvis December 11, 2017 at 8:42 PM

In fact, if you grew up in Northern California in the 1950s and 60s, your parents were probably Republican. You just didn’t know it. People didn’t used to advertise their political affiliations. I thought my parents were Democrats until I was in my twenties when I found out otherwise.

Dr. Jellyfinger December 11, 2017 at 9:43 PM

How true! It was mostly conservative Republicans…..Then the hippie teachers back in the 60’s made us kids study “Ecology” and taught us all about social injustice…. they made us listen to stupid songs like “Society’s Child” “Sound of Silence” and sing “Kumbaya” really! …. I’m totally serious! Most of the kids bought into all that bullsh*t and their minds were lost to Liberalism. The Hippie Paradise of San Francisco naturally attracted all the weirdos to the city….. and then look what happened…. after Ronald Reagan left, all hope was lost……

Dr. Jellyfinger December 11, 2017 at 10:39 PM

Geez… back then they said all the smog was making Earth cooler & now it’s not! Go figure… All liberal BS aside… I kinda liked that Society’s Child song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QPF-duKQro

Gary December 11, 2017 at 8:50 AM

My previous post dhould say “Weiner” 😄

USA December 11, 2017 at 8:56 AM

Oh joy, more tax NOW, to pay for something that won’t happen in our lifetime.

Honest question. Is there ANYONE here reading Claycord that will vote for a Democrat governor ever again?

SmartA December 11, 2017 at 9:52 AM

Agreed, why vote for any Demoncrap given how screwed up this state is.

Imagine if they get their dream of California succeeding from the US, no federal funds for law enforcement, disaster relief (which they are happy to beg for from Trump while they stab him in the back) or military protection. Imagine the fight between the other countries in the World to see who could take over California first.

Fred P. December 11, 2017 at 11:29 AM

Here? No.

However, there are plenty of low information voters that vote the straight party line and will do whatever the dnc tells them to do. The politicians depend on their lack of long term memory.

Mel December 11, 2017 at 12:12 PM

Drama- a lot of dead weight in CA benefiting from the use of my money too. Maybe everyone should just pay for themselves.

Max December 11, 2017 at 3:26 PM

Yes, we need to address the traffic problem in the bat area. Yes, it is going to cost money. Yes, you will need to chip in.

If you don’t like living in a progressive state, please move to a red state. I would suggest one but i can’t think of any that are nice. Just go to alabama.

SmartA December 11, 2017 at 4:38 PM

Na, we’ll just change the political landscape and watch you all cry some more. BTW I thought you Snowflakes were all heading to Canada when you didn’t get your way eh?

RunnerDope December 11, 2017 at 9:10 AM

Gary,

Your previous post should say “should”. 🙂

linnie December 11, 2017 at 10:48 AM

😀

Mr. White December 11, 2017 at 9:10 AM

Do whatever you want, in 5 years I’m out of this state and I’m taking all my retirement money with me.

TIFOKCIS December 11, 2017 at 11:48 AM

Right behind you.

WC December 11, 2017 at 9:20 AM

Duh, more bridges won’t increase traffic, but relieve the congestion.

Elvis December 11, 2017 at 8:44 PM

They could relieve congestion by getting rid of those ridiculous car pool lanes and, now, toll lanes. Stupidest idea to come along in centuries.

Captain Bebops December 11, 2017 at 9:23 AM

Have the tech companies pay for it. They need it to get their serfs to their castles. 🙂

Mel December 11, 2017 at 12:13 PM

They would just move to a different state and take their money with them.

O. M. Rodgers December 11, 2017 at 9:43 AM

With any luck Senate Bill 595 will be overturned by the voters in 2018.

RANDOM TASK December 11, 2017 at 9:44 AM

yeah the last bridge made all the reps millions I can not believe they are not asking for 10 more bridges ….what a joke these corrupt wacks think the public wants to see a 200 billion dollar bridge @3 years be announced only for it to be 600 billion and take 9 years ….we got scammed before by cal scams and all the political dippers ….but I did for get this is a lemming state ….and the MTC has absolute power ….so I would suggest everyone with a in get yours set up to bilk from any other projects supported by politicians and the MTC….might as well be crooks since this state endorses it and appreciates it with open arms and protects those criminals as well …..

VIVA MAS EXTORTION….FELIZ CORRUPTADO …

Fred P. December 11, 2017 at 9:50 AM

Feinstein is doing nothing more than slowly bringing DeSaulnier on board to make it look like he’s doing something “productive.” What marky doesn’t understand is that “building another bridge” will not solve anything and flies in the face of what Jerry Brown is attempting to do w/ respect to mass transit.

Environmental impact reports, interconnections to existing highways, eminent domain/land condemnation by the state/feds, BART, financing/budgets, scheduling, etc…. marky is waaaaaay beyond his capabilities and understanding of projects.

What about additional ferries and parking lots ? What about BART expansion? What about the ill-fated bullet train to nowhere?

This guy has done nothing productive since getting out of the restaurant business. I’ll be damned if I support ANY more taxes for his inane infrastructure work.

22 Year’s to fix the bay bridge after Lima Prieta? My guess is that the new bridge would be built and opened (possibly) by the year 2100.

Maybe….

Elvis December 11, 2017 at 8:53 PM

DeSaulnier does exactly as told … by the ladies … by Feinstein, by Pelosi, in fact, by whatever Democrat outranks him … in other words, most of them. He no longer has a thought that is his own. Democrat’s “Party” is so over. Vote them all out at the first possible opportunity.

Fred December 11, 2017 at 10:00 AM

I suggest we propose more taxes to build more infrastructure so that all those who threaten to leave do so and then the traffic will be bearable.

Kazam December 11, 2017 at 10:57 AM

I agree. There is this myth that California’s high taxes are chasing business out of the state. And yet California’s economy continues to glow white-hot, and entrepreneurs from all over the planet are clamouring to get here and start new businesses. We pay more to federal government than we get back, we are paying our own high taxes and simultaneously picking up the welfare tab for many red states.

Mel December 11, 2017 at 12:17 PM

The only ones who move would be the wealthy. Nice plan that was not thought out. All you would have left are the poor people, who don’t always have a job to drive to anyways. Then who will be left to take care of the welfare recipients!?

Captain Bebops December 11, 2017 at 1:09 PM

Cool then if the wealthy leave. The standard of living would become tolerable again. I think community leaders do need to ask the tech leaders why they don’t step forward. They’re also making a lot of money off the backs of taxpayers who paid for the roads their workers use. It would be interesting to see what kind of tap dancing they would do.

BTW, this came up back during the dot com boom when housing for maintenance people at tech companies wasn’t readily available. The tech companies wanted a high speed train from the central valley to transport workers (some sci-fi vision thing). When it was suggested then that they pay for it they went mute.

Elvis December 11, 2017 at 9:04 PM

The tech industry needs to do more to contribute to the improvement of the conditions they have created. For one, they can put more effort into training people who are already here, and citizens, rather than bringing in foreign nationals to do their work. Their workers can’t find affordable housing near where they work … they need to contribute to findings ways to do that. Commute traffic lasting all day long now, tech companies need to admit their culpability in the nightmare on the roads and contribute to solutions. California has been very kind to those wealthy heads of companies like Salesforce, Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc., etc. What have they done for California?

BART commuter December 11, 2017 at 10:03 AM

Not in our lifetime.

3rdrail9er December 11, 2017 at 10:04 AM

These polis are on drugs if hey think anyone is going to ditch their cars for a train ride.

ConcordMike December 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM

I had this same idea in the early 1990’s when I first moved to the Bay Area. My idea was to span the two airports, strategically situated mid point between the two existing bridges. It would be called the “Airport to Airport Bridge” (or tunnel) connecting the outer edges of each airport. This way federal funding for airports could also be used, in addition to funding for connecting SFO BART and Oakland’s Air BART. A tunnel would be best to prevent interruption of shipping lanes, if that is an issue that far into the bay.
But nowadays, with all the automation that technology is heading, spending this much money on freeway infrastructures may be a huge waste of money. I’d rather see this money spent on more public safety and solve the homelessness problem. Mental health funding.

WC December 11, 2017 at 10:12 AM

Ah yes Weiner. The guy who got his bill passed to make transmitting HIV a misdemeanor and wants his friends taken off the sex-offender registry. Yes I trust his opinion. (Not).

Elvis December 11, 2017 at 9:16 PM

Weiner’s retirement funds must be invested in pharmacology and he’s hoping for a big payoff one day. End up taking multiple expensive prescription medications over the remainder of your lifetime and he retires a happy man.

Pyrrhus December 11, 2017 at 10:20 AM

Spend the money on another BART tunnel. Building more bridges and highways doesn’t help traffic. Look at what happened in LA. They spent all the money on highways and didn’t invest in public transportation. We need to build out BART in more areas and have trains coming and going every 5 to 10 mins during commute hours. Replace the conductors with automation and use the extra money to put an officer on the train instead.

Since we are talking pipe dream ideas. the major metropolitan cities, San Francisco, Oakland, and San Jose need to heavily invest in an underground subway system. MUNI trains are a good start. If you make mass transportation easy, accessible, and affordable then everyone will use it. It’s the reason why it works in cities like New York, Tokyo, London, and Paris.

Pony December 11, 2017 at 10:25 AM

Can someone stuff a sock in Weiners mouth. Like a second tube would solve anything. Are you also going to build another set of stations on the Oakland and SF side of the tube? Even then, at some point you will have mass congestion from the trains backing up (like they do already). The issue with fixed rail transit is it is not that scalable. Especially on what is a single track system.
By the time either option is completed, most of us will have left the state or died. Look how long its taking for the Chinatown subway and how long it took to build the 680 bridge and east span of the Bay Bridge

Anonymous December 11, 2017 at 10:28 AM

DeSaulnier= Higher taxes

Safety Second December 11, 2017 at 12:49 PM

DeSaulnier = Unions, DNC, and BIG government over US consumers. SULLUTION…stop re-electing career whore politicians!

Fred P. December 11, 2017 at 10:29 AM

I want, I want, I want……

Same December 11, 2017 at 10:43 AM

BART is like a bullet train idea. It is no where I want to be. Another BART tunnel is going to be twice as many places I don’t want to be with people I don’t want to be around.

Same December 11, 2017 at 10:45 AM

I had an idea called a jump to airport conclusions bridge but it turns out the movie Office Space had a very similar idea.

Fred P. December 11, 2017 at 11:32 AM

I’m waiting for the libs to come out of the woodwork, claiming that we’re all “haters”….

They’ll defend him if he ate babies on the parade ground at high noon with the marching band in front on July 4.

Original G December 11, 2017 at 11:33 AM

Absolutely NOT, Democrats can not be trusted. Doesn’t everything they touch both LATE AND vastly over budget.

To build just half a bridge they were TEN YEARS late and FIVE BILLION Dollars over budget.
http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/ten-years-late5-billion-over-budget-bay-bridge-riddled-with-problems/

An DeSaulnier was chairman of the Senate Transportation and Housing Committee.

Guess we’ll see just how gullible taxpayers really are.
http://sfpublicpress.org/news/2009-12/unparalleled-bridge-unprecedented-cost

TIFOKCIS December 11, 2017 at 11:51 AM

Make the tech industry pay for the bridge. Its their insistence on the prestige of an address in SF and Santa Clara.

Fred P. December 11, 2017 at 11:56 AM

This is the same guy who had a “there ought to be a law” program , asking people to come up with suggestions for more laws.

Whatta moron….

Poor Richard December 11, 2017 at 12:04 PM

We have needed another Bay Bridge for years, and should plan for another BART tube.
Marky DeSaulnier spent years in local politics and was termed out of the State Legislature, but never mentioned more roads or bridges, when he could have done something. The enviro zealots would have attacked him.
Now, in the Congress, he is advocating the State spend money that has already been wasted useless on HS Rail. His opinion is meaningless, he just wants to be in the news.
The state needs more roads, but Gov Brown is against any new roads because it will encourage driving.

Elwood December 11, 2017 at 12:14 PM

What the Congressman needs is a bridge to reality.

Dear God, please tell me he’s not being groomed for DiFi’s seat!

DeSaulnier in the Senate would mean the end times are at hand.

Buddy December 11, 2017 at 12:17 PM

Hey, State Officials, here’s an idea! Let’s use the bullet-train-to-nowhere money to build something that will be of actual benefit! Traffic is intolerable in the Bay Area and the L.A. area. How about some REAL solutions rather than breathtakingly expensive pet projects that only benefit some construction-related unions and their elected representatives.

Richard Bailey December 11, 2017 at 12:52 PM

I believe one of the overlooked solutions to this problem is technology. Big Data algorithms that can connect the resources we have with the demands of the technology industry. For an example A lot of these industries are working on shifts. Used to commute Lanes to correspond with the shift workers coming from the valley on 580 to the silicon valley, get them off the road early.
Truck going to and from the port, get there run in the early morning and off the road, again they would have priority determined by when they’re going to the port and the need to reduce congestion. Private bus companies that will fill their bus with commuters to and from Francisco would take 40 cars off per bus. This would be unlike the corporate buses as you would set up a club of commuters they pay for the use of the bus, of course their savings is they don’t have to drive. Create a bus only lane on the bridge and make it easier for
buses to use that lane. What I’m saying is use computers and algorithms to solve this problem before we spend a lot of money on an extra bridge we can put those resources in the improving the roads we have.

Housing, we need to find a way to build affordable apartments small apartments maybe even to the point of where to be no more than 400 square feet Millennium Z these days don’t need a lot of space Bill these apartments around the culture of community. The corporations that are benefiting the most from having everything here in in the Bay Area need to step up and start buying land at least and help with the housing otherwise we are soon going to be going into gridlock and nobody is going to want to live here prices of housing will go down as companies move out

SmartA December 11, 2017 at 4:41 PM

Perhaps self driving cars could help as well. Most of the space on the road is the room between cars given the 3 second rule. That could go away with a fleet of self driving cars going 70+ MPH. Granted any crash would be more devastating given the high capacity, but hey…

The Mamba December 11, 2017 at 1:11 PM

I like the idea of either expanding BART trains to 20 cars or running another line. Something out of the box needs to happen. Unfortunately, what is more likely to happen is the tech bubble will burst again and then all the jobs in the region will dry up. *knocks on wood*

Mr. Pink December 11, 2017 at 1:53 PM

He touts “quality of life” what’s the quality of my life been? Every underpass has a homeless encampment , every square inch of concrete has graffiti on it
I pay the highest gas tax in the country, my property , income and sales tax are among the highest in the nation, I live in a sanctuary state where everyone else’s rights are more important than mine. Gun laws are ridiculous. All the environmental laws and “ not for sale in California” are crazy. I can go on…..
So Mark, do you really want to talk about quality of life, crawl back into the hole where you came from.

Ricardo December 11, 2017 at 1:55 PM

Boycott SF.

Silva December 11, 2017 at 2:15 PM

HA!

Cellophane December 11, 2017 at 4:07 PM

Another bridge would be a great idea, but this request is more for a Finestien legacy than anything else.

And, ol’ Stupid is trying to ride on her coattails because he can’t get anything else done other than send out useless memos ad nauseam.

A Bart bridge or tunnel makes a lot more sense as long as “we the people” could defend ourselves…

Lobo December 11, 2017 at 8:18 PM

Way to go mark, great way to go off the backs of all the poor people in the Bay Area just keep stepping on us take our money and make it even more difficult for us to live oh but that’s what you do best tax the s*** out of us until we can’t see straight good job.

djm December 11, 2017 at 8:59 PM

I80 and I280 dont intersect in san francisco. and U.S.101 goes north to south, not east.

Deplorable Me December 11, 2017 at 10:02 PM

I wonder how many people complaining about traffic, drive to work alone every single day? Typical Bay Area whiners. Complain about a problem while contributing to it.

jbelkin December 11, 2017 at 11:26 PM

HYPERLOOP. The future – it’s the bay Area, let’s not look back.

Elvis December 12, 2017 at 8:23 AM

What would Silicon Valley companies do with their monstrosity “campus” buildings? Like that ugly Apple thing. “Campus” … haha … it’s like they are afraid to leave college and join the real world.

Pony December 12, 2017 at 9:45 AM

Have tired to get to work in Bishop Ranch? I work contract jobs and will not even consider Bishop Ranch. The traffic is pure unbelievable. Right now 580 west over the Altamont is almost undriveble in the morning and 680 isn’t much better. Put more companies in San Ramon, Dublin, Altamont etc and you will have terminal gridlock on 680 and 580

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