The Water Cooler – Should Schools Have Armed Guards/Police Officers on Campus?

November 14, 2017 12:00 pm · 59 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it.

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday in the noon hour.

A shooting at a school and surrounding area in Northern California has claimed the life of at least four people this morning.

The shooter was shot and killed by police.

Do you think schools should have armed guards/police officers on campus during school hours, or do you think that’s not necessary?

Talk about it….

1 CSS November 14, 2017 at 12:03 PM

Without knowing the details, this is what can happen in “gun free zones”. Wake up Sacramento, criminals do not follow laws. Enough said!

2 Original G November 14, 2017 at 12:08 PM

Tehama County KRCR TV
“A witness named Tiffany, who operates Coffee Addiction Coffee Shop near the school, told KRCR News Channel 7 she heard 90-100 shots fired.” …

“… there were gunshots going for a good 20-25 minutes.”

http://www.krcrtv.com/news/local/tehama/officials-responding-to-reported-shooting-near-elementary-school-in-rancho-tehama/656286015

Liberals should be so proud of those they elected for providing the rabid mental coward a SAFE uninterrupted 20 – 25 minutes in such a target rich free fire zone.

How many dead children is it going to take for parents and voters to demand a SAFE school environment which allows children to come home alive and not to be sacrificed for some liberal political goal?

3 Rob November 14, 2017 at 12:13 PM

Yes – and paid for by a special tax on guns and ammo.

4 Ricardoh November 14, 2017 at 12:15 PM

It is getting to look like that. Also need more police or some organization to take care of mental cases.

5 Kentucky Derby November 14, 2017 at 12:27 PM

No. It’s a school, not a prison. And where is the money going to come from? Kids should be entitled to a safe environment, but there’s always home schooling or a better neighborhood.

6 BoycottTheCircus November 14, 2017 at 12:33 PM

When we lived in Texas, the school district had unified school district police at all the elementary, middle and high schools and they were paid for by the city.. maybe it wouldn’t hurt as it seems nowadays people are slowly losing their sh*t and feel the need to hurt or kill others.. But Texas puts money into their schools where California doesn’t

7 AnonZ November 14, 2017 at 12:33 PM

No

8 Dawg November 14, 2017 at 12:36 PM

The liberals seem to think by designating schools a gun free zone, everything will be hunky dory.

9 Anonsense November 14, 2017 at 12:37 PM

Hey why not? The gun nuts feel like everyone should be armed. Maybe we should just give each student a gun with their textbooks…

10 WC November 14, 2017 at 12:42 PM

The correct question is why did Jerry Brown just sign a bill (AB424) that removes the option for school districts in California to train and arm teachers?

IMO they want more shootings so they can have more excuses to disarm the public. Why else would you do this? I haven’t heard of any armed teachers shooting anyone have you?

http://www.yourcentralvalley.com/news/brown-signs-law-to-end-schools-right-to-permit-teachers-to-carry-guns/836617730

11 Original G November 14, 2017 at 12:52 PM

“GOOD GUY WITH A GUN: Armed school officer stopped Arapahoe High School shooting

Authorities are dramatically revising the response time of law enforcement officers to the Arapahoe High School shooting on Friday.

Originally, it was claimed by multiple outlets that responding law enforcement agencies took 14 minutes to arrive at the school, and that the shooter was not located until 30 minutes into the event. As we noted based on this information, this proves that schools need armed staffers and/or faculty on campus because it takes far too long for outside law enforcement agencies to respond to stop an active shooter.

It now appears that our original thesis was confirmed because there was an armed officer on campus who was the reason the shooter was stopped after only shooting one student.

They are now stating that the entire incident was over in just 80 seconds because there was an armed sheriff’s deputy on staff who was alerted over the school’s radio system, who cornered the shooter in the library. ”
https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2013/12/15/good-guy-with-a-gun-armed-school-officer-stopped-arapahoe/

“In the tiny Texas town of Harrold, children and their parents do not give much thought to their safety at the community’s only school, because they know that some of the teachers are carrying concealed weapons.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2857876/The-rural-Texan-school-teachers-carry-guns-line-defense-against-shooters-principal-doesn-t-know-staff-armed.html

“Mass Shooters Prefer Gun-Free Zones’
http://dailysignal.com/2016/02/10/mass-shooters-prefer-gun-free-zones/

Over 100 dead in just eight mass shootings in Gun Free Zones.
abp don’t look
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/02/heres-how-many-lives-were-taken-in-just-8-armed-attacks-in-gun-free-zones/

“Nearly 80 percent of the perpetrators in these 62 cases obtained their weapons legally. Acute paranoia, delusions, and depression were rampant among them, with at least 36 of the killers committing suicide on or near the scene.”
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/11/jared-loughner-mass-shootings-mental-illness/

Blaming a firearm is the easier softer and LAZY way out for politicians.
In case of Sandy Hook killer.
“As the national discussion on mental health continues following the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School that killed 27 people, a recent mental health bill that was defeated in Connecticut may have helped in keeping Adam Lanza away.

Before Friday’s heinous act, there was talk in Connecticut’s state legislature to beef up the state’s “assisted outpatient treatment” law, according to Breitbart.com. Connecticut Senate Bill 452 was proposed in February “to enhance the care and treatment of persons with psychiatric disabilities in both inpatient and outpatient settings.” But the bill was defeated in March, with opposition calling it “outrageously discriminatory.” The ACLU said the bill would “infringe on patients’ privacy rights by expanding [the circle of] who can medicate individuals without their consent.” ”
http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2012/12/17/connecticut-mental-health-bill-defeated-months-before-deadly-school-shooting/

In case of recent Texas shooting has been revealed existing LAWS and Reporting Proceedures were NOT followed.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/06/us/texas-shooting-church.html

It is but the most recent in a long line of screw ups allowing killers access to firearms.
Rather than retype a previous post,
http://claycord.com/2017/09/29/claycord-talk-about-politics-24/#comment-1058640

Fusion Center Study Finds 79% of Recent Mass Shootings Attributable to History of Mental Illness
https://publicintelligence.net/mass-shootings-mental-illness/

Liberals have already managed to find a way to attract rabid mental coward killers with their gun free zones, perhaps they could try their hand at ensuring enforcement of existing laws and procedures then take a shot at mental health. (pun intended)

12 Kaski Lime November 14, 2017 at 12:52 PM

How are liberals at fault when conservatives do all they can to indulge the gun lobby, which only wants to encourage the sale of more guns? In our society, we need a license for many things because of the serious responsibilities they embody, driving for one. But guns? Why would a group of people who consider themselves “conservative” be so reckless as to refuse to regulate guns as the deadly instruments that they are?

Conservative nonsense on the gun issue.

13 Dalinian November 14, 2017 at 12:53 PM

By all accounts, this shooter, “Kevin”, was the local crazy guy, who was firing hundreds of rounds, and threatening people around his neighbor hood for quite some time…NOBODY called the law on him….Would an armed guard done any good here??? All depends…Does the perp want to go down blazing??? How many more would die at any school if 2 or more start banging away with semi-automatic assault rifles????

14 anon November 14, 2017 at 12:54 PM

They shouldn’t HAVE to, but these shootings are getting out of hand! What sicko shoots at grade school kids?

15 Rob November 14, 2017 at 12:57 PM

This is a great way to spend an exorbitant amount of money with no guarantee of success. Are there going to be armed guards in every classroom at all times? If not, how’s it going to work?

16 all in November 14, 2017 at 12:58 PM

Considering I work at a local High school where we just had a shooting last week, I think i feel better knowing an armed officer is on campus to help protect out students and our community.

17 Cat November 14, 2017 at 1:11 PM

I grew up in NYC, there were armed NYPD officers at every school I went to. Thumbs up.

18 Bob Foo November 14, 2017 at 1:14 PM

Both of the high schools I went to always had at least one police officer on duty at all times.

And these weren’t really “bad” or “ghetto” schools. Alhambra in Martinez, and Livermore High in Livermore.

19 mitt November 14, 2017 at 1:15 PM

Training teachers to protect kids with guns puts too much responsibilities on them. There is teacher shortage everywhere already, this kind of movement will turn more people away to apply for the positions.

I am afraid some parents would sue them if they fail to protect their kids.
Police officers should be responsible for this kid of matter.

I feel the funding should come from the government. The defense department can cancel a contract with a few war planes. F-35 fighter jet cost 160 million each.

20 Bringit November 14, 2017 at 1:16 PM

I know of 2 local schools that have some armed teachers/staff. They of course are not publicly known even by other staff/teachers or even the principal. I’m glad they are armed and can defend or try to defend their students from a nutcase shooting the place up.

21 MeMe November 14, 2017 at 1:22 PM

If we just tackle the problem at the source, things would be better. But, nooooo, we cannot do that. We have to continue to let every single unfit person breed without repercussions, and we are ALL paying for it.

22 WC November 14, 2017 at 1:22 PM

#16 What high school? What happened? Could an armed teacher have prevented this?

23 No Thanks November 14, 2017 at 1:26 PM

@Kaski Lime – You have obviously never bought a gun in Kalifornia. Pass a firearms safety test and wait 2 weeks. It’s easier to get a drivers license and play with your phone while driving – which is also against the law but it’s another law that people don’t obey…much like gun laws.

24 Yves harlowe November 14, 2017 at 1:29 PM

This guy was a known felon, according to news reports. As such, he was in possession of a firearm and ammunition illegally. He certainly didn’t go down to the local gun store and buy a gun, he couldn’t passed the background check. Neighbors knew he was armed, since they could hear him shooting on his property. Why did no one report that?

25 Original G November 14, 2017 at 1:35 PM

As to being reckless with guns …… There are drunk drivers and recently terrorists using vehicles as a killing instrument is the answer then to regulate ownership of vehicles? Boston Marathon bombers used pressure cookers lined with ball bearings to maximize blast pressures and killing radius but there has been no calls for restricting ownership of pressure cookers. Knives are used increasingly in countries with strict firearms laws.

Cowards looking to put their name in history should be made nameless thus denying them the fame they crave. They will do whatever and use whatever to accomplish their twisted goal.

May 18, 1927 Bath Township, Michigan 38 dead no firearms involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

“We must reject the idea that every time a law’s broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions.”
President Reagan

https://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/funny21.jpg

http://thefederalistpapers.integratedmarket.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/imageedit_1378_9958793882.jpg
Is this true ????
http://ninetymilesfromtyranny.blogspot.com/2016/08/lets-categorize-mass-shooters.html

26 TIFOKCIS November 14, 2017 at 1:37 PM

Murder should be illegal, oh yeah illegal in CA is not only a way of life, its badge of honor.

Make a few more laws, that’ll solve everything.

27 ONIWY November 14, 2017 at 1:46 PM

Have been sending this out as an early Christmas present. Right, it’s not on anybody’s list of hoped-for gifts, but it’s something they all need to read. It does have very specific and practical suggestions based on experience and research:
https://www.amazon.com/Be-Hero-Essential-Survival-Active-Shooter-ebook/dp/B074R95LMN/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1510695800&sr=8-2

28 Original G November 14, 2017 at 1:46 PM

WC … YES an armed teacher could have ended it.

Because Tehama is a large rural County, from reports thus far it appears shooter had 20 – 25 minutes before a good guy with a gun showed up.

Unlike what recently happened in Texas at the church shooting. A good guy and former NRA instructor grabbed his AR-15 rifle ran out of his house and engaged the shooter putting a round in a gap of the body armor he was wearing. He and another man the pursued and eventually forced the shooter off the road. An all this happened before law enforcement ever showed up.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/06/hero-with-ar-15-nra-instructor/

Still wonder how many Democrats of CA state legislature who voted to leave our children defenseless in their gun free school zones have conceal carry permits and or have armed security details protecting them and their families?

29 The Mamba November 14, 2017 at 1:47 PM

If you look at the statistical likelihood of something happening and don’t make emotion based decisions in the heat of the moment, then no you shouldn’t pay for a police officer at every school.

30 Retired LEO November 14, 2017 at 1:49 PM

Having an officer available at the school will significantly reduce the response time and will improve tactical control of the situation in an active shooter scenario.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth by the liberals as exemplified by #5, #9, #12, #15 comments are not working to resolve or mitigate the issue.

As others have posted – it’s easy for liberals to blame inanimate objects but tough for them to see the real issue at hand.

In case you hadn’t noticed, criminals don’t obey laws. Get it?

31 JWT November 14, 2017 at 1:50 PM

All school district personnel should be required to take firearms training as a requirement of employment. This will give them knowledge and experience to calm any anxiety about firearms, if they have it. Then they should have the option to conceal carry at work, and any time they are at a school function. Schools and other gun free zones are targeted for obvious reasons – the shooter does not have to worry about armed victims.

32 MovingOutOfCA November 14, 2017 at 1:53 PM

Yes!

33 Concord74 November 14, 2017 at 2:07 PM

Yes, maybe it takes incidents like this to take a hard look at armed resources on campuses.
This liberal state and it’s soon to be dispose of “Governor” needs to stop feeding to the activist that have their heads buried somewhere!!
If guns are totally banned, what’s to stop some nut or angry individual armed with a machete??! Baseball bat?

34 High School Teacher November 14, 2017 at 2:09 PM

As a high school teacher, I am in favor of having armed security on campus. Armed guards, Police officers, or concealed carry permitted individuals. Whatever it takes to keep the kids safe. Crazy people who have the intent of causing harm will think twice if they realize they will be met with a gun on the school they are targeting. Most teachers agree that we would give our lives for our students, but we hope to never see that day on our campus.

Although I personally do not own a gun, I am a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment. Mental health and a lack of value for human life is the cause of what we now see happening daily in our society. What did you think would happen when we started devaluing human life, started thinking of what is evil as good, and good as evil, and took God out of our schools?

35 Bad Nombre November 14, 2017 at 2:21 PM

“Should?” again with the “should”! No, but it should not be banned, either. More importantly, citizens need to be educated and familiar with firearms. Keeping and bearing them is a civil right.

36 SquishyBugs November 14, 2017 at 3:12 PM

Nothing says land of the free like having to arm elementary schools.

37 Aera November 14, 2017 at 3:18 PM

sure, until they snap

38 Kentucky Derby November 14, 2017 at 4:26 PM

Retired LEO – I’m #5 and I’m a REPUBLICAN. Not everything is a political issue. That’s the far left and the far right. You’re both EXTREMISTS.

A friend of mine is a liberal and he owns several guns. My cousin is a Republican and she’s scared to death of guns. Quit generalizing.

I have no opinion on gun ownership. I understand both sides. I don’t think they’re necessary at schools, and I’m entitled to my opinion.

39 Bishop Estates November 14, 2017 at 4:28 PM

@ Kentucky Derby

Move to a better neighborhood? Unfortunately crime is everywhere….

40 arka November 14, 2017 at 4:34 PM

How about you ask the teachers and students at schools where shootings have occurred? I doubt many of them would say no. And everyone always thinks “It could never happen here.” Until it does.

41 Bringit November 14, 2017 at 4:40 PM

My daughters pre K1 place in WC the owner and supervisor have a gun. No one has a problem with it.

42 Chicken Little November 14, 2017 at 5:50 PM

Our money is important enough to us that we guard it with guns. But we only protect our kids with a “Gun Free Zone” sign. Something isn’t right.

43 Carebear November 14, 2017 at 8:40 PM

I work at a high school and I will tell you it’s not safe . I would not arm the teachers, because that also scares the crap out of me. The problem is with the school contracting with the local PD. The officers on campus for the most part don’t stay at one school all day. They get called off and take other calls. The problem with hiring armed secerity is they really aren’t trained to a high standard and BSIS does not qualify as training. So, the school districts need to stop contracting with the local PD and have their own police district which they are legally allowed to do. This does not happen due to politics.

44 jjshawk November 14, 2017 at 10:18 PM

Yes, yes, yes! It’s a no-brainer.

45 Not your average. November 14, 2017 at 11:20 PM

People with not kids or age school kids talking like no thanks have you ever walk in your kids schoool how easy target they are ,the elementary where my goes ,it beat the crap out of me because I know anybody can show up with wherever intentions they have and damage real good ,hug and kiss your babys good bye everytime said the right words, times are hard.and guns are for sale like candy permit or not .

46 Judas November 15, 2017 at 12:08 AM

No. Repeal the 2nd amendment.

47 Well Folks November 15, 2017 at 8:52 AM

I feel that armed guards at schools would make them more like prisons vs institutions of learning. The fact that this question needs to be asked is a very sad commentary about todays society in general.

48 Vandy November 15, 2017 at 9:23 AM

Less guns. Make them illegal. Melt them down.

49 The Mamba November 15, 2017 at 11:25 AM

This guy was crazier than a sh house rat and had been arrested numerous times, was constantly shooting around his property and had a domestic violence complaint again him. Any one of those should have triggered confiscation of his guns. Enforce the laws on the books now, for the love of God.

50 LocaI November 15, 2017 at 12:08 PM

Start by locking the doors.

California gunman fired 30 rounds at school, left when he couldn’t get inside
http://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-reported-northern-california-elementary-school/story?id=51143319

51 Patriot November 15, 2017 at 1:41 PM

So, we guard our valuables like money and jewelry with armed guards, but we have to ask the question if kids are valuable enough to protect in the same way?

You have to be a special kind of stupid to think like a liberal.

52 WhatThe? November 15, 2017 at 1:54 PM

Absolutely not, and I have 4 kids in school right now. The question isn’t simply could a security guard with a gun possibly save lives, which is a possibility, but also how many people will be also hurt/killed by these guns being used improperly. We see videos of security guards overreacting and attacking students, do we really want to see those same videos with a gun involved?

Also, can people please stop with the CRIMINALS DON”T FOLLOW LAWS non-sense. If that’s the case then apply that to everything and have no laws at all. No one ever said that passing a law stops all criminal activity, murder is against the law and murders still happen so should we get rid of the law? No! We have safe zones because the penalties are more severe to punish those that violate the law. Why is this so hard to grasp for so many on this site?

53 Me November 15, 2017 at 2:42 PM

YES, YES AND YES (I have two school aged kids)

54 Silva November 15, 2017 at 3:31 PM

My son’s high school had police officers stationed at the doors, but I think it was for the inmates, not anyone coming from the outside.

55 Pony November 15, 2017 at 4:16 PM

I started ninth grade in 1969. We had an armed guard on campus at all times. This was in the richest urban school district in North Dakota. Never could figure why he was there but then again, we didn’t have idiots shooting up the place or deer running amok in the commons area.

56 JA November 15, 2017 at 5:42 PM

Obviously we should arm elementary schoolchildren.

57 Patriot November 15, 2017 at 5:48 PM

@WhatThe?

You’re afraid of “guns being used improperly? So we’re better off leaving our children totally unprotected which is how we get mass shootings? You’d rather have mass shootings in schools without any possible defense? WTF ?

And then, “stop with criminals don’t follow laws nonsense ?” They don’t. You need to come back to planet earth and face reality. A Gun Free Zone is DANGEROUS!

58 Retired LEO November 15, 2017 at 9:13 PM

@whatthe #52…

“Criminals don’t follow laws nonsense????”

Obviously, you’re from a different planet. I couldn’t even begin to think how to respond to such a clueless statement.

You’re concerned about armed guards/police at the schools because guns might be used improperly….but you have no problem in leaving them unprotected so a bad guy can commit a criminal act with them?

Better get your meds checked….

59 jjshawk November 18, 2017 at 2:02 AM

@ #46 Judas:
A repeal of the 2nd Amendment (in its entirety) is equally dangerous as having the 2nd Amendment without limits, beyond handheld firearms (e.g. nukes, bombs, missiles, and etc.). The 2nd Amendment, when push comes to shove, protects our country from the possibility of a tyrannical government, and also, affords the individual the right to defend themselves and loved-ones, against bad people wishing to cause harm to another.

The recent shootings/massacres are a separate issue, thus shouldn’t be blamed on the 2nd Amendment, or its strong supporters like the NRA. To my knowledge, these killers were not known to be part of the gun lobby or members of the NRA. Or, I could be wrong. Do you know something I don’t? How can we regulate the behavior of crazy and mentally-ill people, without regulating and watering down the rights of good, responsible, and cool-headed people?

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