Claycord – Talk About Politics

January 6, 2017 19:10 pm · 348 comments


This post is “Talk About Politics”.

Please use this post to talk about politics, and keep politics out of the “whatever” thread.

Thank you, and be kind to each other.

201 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 10, 2017 at 10:34 AM


You had such a great start to that health care essay, but then ran the car into the ditch. Many agree with the first few sentences. Neither democrats or republicans have a good plan. The Democrats see the answer to a problem is government control or socialization. The republicans look for the free market to make it right. In the first case, the result is just a paper mache front to a wealth transfer program to the needy, pretending that’s not what it is because it only addresses one spending category. But for the republicans, the institutional infrastructure that leads to a sound free market solution does not exist because of the monopoly power and limited information. Both sides are more interested in winning, than in coming up with a winning solution. Wow. What a great slogan. I should be a speech writer.

202 Randy January 10, 2017 at 11:10 AM

I worry that Trump’s obsession with Meryl Streep is distracting him from more serious issues, like Alec Baldwin.

203 OHMy January 10, 2017 at 11:16 AM

Twelve years in a row California ranks dead last as the worst state in which to do business.

CEO Comments
“California currently produces our highest unit costs of any state in the country for our high-end commercial construction output.”

“States like California just don’t get it. At the rate they are going, who’s going to pay the bills with such a anti-business, leftist government and businesses leaving every month for Arizona or Washington state?”

“California has been running businesses out of the state for years, and in fact, their policies are getting worse. Class action lawsuits abound, it’s a crazy environment for small businesses out there.”


204 OHMy January 10, 2017 at 11:18 AM

@local 202 MY my my such a panic. Guess we know which button to push.

205 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 10, 2017 at 11:38 AM


Looks like you spent a lot of time trying to find sources to prove your point, such as a professor at UC Berkeley unsurprisingly saying California is best because of its colleges! Shocking. He also thinks he has the best football team, I bet. Anyway, back to reality. CNBC should be an unbiased news source and they rank California 32 out of 50 for business. Texas is second.

206 OHMy January 10, 2017 at 12:04 PM

local says CA is doing so well ….. So What Happened ?????

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually
run out of other peoples’ money.”
Margaret Thatcher

“Less than four years after declaring California’s budget was balanced for the foreseeable future, Gov. Jerry Brown on Tuesday said the state is now projected to run a $1.6-billion deficit by next summer.

“The trajectory of revenue growth is declining,” Brown told reporters at the state Capitol on Tuesday as he unveiled the state’s budget.”

Awww did they run out of other people’s money … AGAIN ??? ! ! ! !

207 Local January 10, 2017 at 12:12 PM


450,200 new CA jobs > 171,800 new TX jobs

208 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 10, 2017 at 12:24 PM


No no no no no. Not going to let you change subjects, redirect, run away and hide. You cited a rather far left wing former economic advisor to President Clinton to support your idea. Both myself and OhMy sourced unbiased populations. The CEO study was based on their opinions and life experience, I believe, while CNBC used data. Neither would be trying to tell a story. In complete contrast, Robert Reich has told this story multiple times to support his politics. We accept your apology. Now, point proven. Move on. We are done here.

209 OHMy January 10, 2017 at 12:30 PM

April 27, 2014
“… during the recovery (measured from February 2010 to February 2014), employment gains have been concentrated in lower-wage industries.”

“Lower-wage industries constituted 22 percent of recession losses, but 44 percent of recovery growth.
Mid-wage industries constituted 37 percent of recession losses, but only 26 percent of recovery growth.
Higher-wage industries constituted 41 percent of recession losses, and 30 percent of recovery growth.”

Take notice CA job growth numbers do not differentiate wages paid as in “Living Wage” for a reason, it is less embarrassing for democrats.

210 Local January 10, 2017 at 12:38 PM

You guys are moving the goalposts. I’m not sure why I’m trying to keep up.

OHMy’s original argument was about unemployment insurance, then company’s moving to Texas, based on data from 2013.

FSM is arguing about ranking, including cost of doing business (CA is expensive because it’s worth it), also from 2013.

My info is as recent as I could find, 2015, which shows three times as many new jobs, which undermines all of your outdated tired arguments.

211 Local January 10, 2017 at 1:14 PM

Final tally: Obama created 11.3 million jobs

11.3 million new jobs were created under President Obama…
2.1 million jobs were added during Bush’s full tenure…
22.9 million under President Bill Clinton…

He (Obama) took office in January 2009 — in the depths of the Great Recession — when the U.S. was bleeding nearly 800,000 jobs a month.

The U.S. economy added 178,000 jobs in November

212 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 10, 2017 at 1:45 PM


I’m sorry if you can’t handle two issues at once. There are a lot of factors going into economic growth, and the president’s policies are only one. For example, as I mentioned a day or two ago, much of the economic growth during Clinton’s years were due to the increased productivity and more widespread use of computers, which you can’t really give Clinton credit for. In addition, you’re view of giving credit or blame to the president of all happens is kind of strange. I’m sure there was an increase in sewage across America over the past 8 years, so I guess he’s responsible for that also.

213 That's what I have to say! January 10, 2017 at 2:02 PM

Moonbeam said today that his budget will have a $2B deficit.

He said that the tax burden should be shared with others, not just the wealthy.

It’s time to defect to Mexico and then re-enter the country illegally. Illegals live better than I do, drive better cars, have better phones, better health plans and don’t have to work.

I just can’t afford to support them anymore.

214 Westal January 10, 2017 at 2:46 PM

This has already been discussed ad nauseum here. The
jobs added during the Obama administration were largely
not full-time positions offering benefits. Statistics from
reliable, non-biased sources were cited which support
the conclusion that much of the population suffered
economic and financial hardship as a result of Obama’s
policies. But, lots more of them qualified for food stamps!

215 AlwaysBePositive January 10, 2017 at 2:57 PM

@#210 fsm
Your ‘zero tolerance’ and a quarter would allow you to call someone who cares what you think. The fact that these items show up on google search means that they are on the internet. They were news stories. But they didn’t hold up. Since they were released, they have been refuted. Look for more recent info. Actually, never mind. Your support of the P-e’s lie that he knows more than the generals tells me everything I need to know about you (along with your pro-Russian posts).

You are someone that puts your views ahead of the truth, and you support a politician that believes the same thing.

US Constitution Article 1 Section 9 Clause 8

216 Westal January 10, 2017 at 3:09 PM

@ABP #200

How do you know I haven’t? And, watch how you
answer that because I’m narrowing down the holes
who are evesdropping on my internet connection
which is a federal offense punishable by hard time
in a federal prison. They are the same holes who
accosted me on Facebook, and if law enforcement
can’t help me I’m sure the legal profession will … gladly.

217 Westal January 10, 2017 at 3:26 PM

ABP #194


1. My broomstick is broken.
2. Pantsuits aren’t my thing.
3. Not into “womens issues.”
4. All of the above.

218 Silva January 10, 2017 at 5:27 PM

Oh oh… I knew it was coming, I just didn’t know how long we’d wait. It doesn’t seem to matter anyway.

219 OHMy January 10, 2017 at 5:33 PM

Per the National Bureau of Economic Research recession ended June 2009 six months after obama took office. In 8 years obama managed an average yearly GDP growth of 2.1%.

GDP growth
Jimmy Carter, 3.2%
Ronald Reagan, 3.5%
Bill Clinton, 3.8%

President Clinton added an average of 248,000 jobs per month during his term in office.
President Reagan added an average of 167,729 jobs per month during his term in office
Using local’s number obama 11,300,000 jobs total / 96 months = 117,708 jobs per month.

President Clinton added 160,292 more jobs each month for 8 years than obama did during his 8 years in office.

President Reagan added 50,021 more jobs each month for 8 years than obama did during his 8 years in office.

obama’s average per month is less than the 145,000 jobs needed each month to keep up with new workers entering the nation’s workforce.

Local: suggestion an analog data recording system would help.
Pencil and pad to take notes as additional data is provided.

220 Randy January 10, 2017 at 5:55 PM

First they get their man in.

Then they own him.

Intelligence chiefs briefed Trump and Obama on unconfirmed claims Russia has compromising information on president-elect

221 GRX January 10, 2017 at 7:00 PM

Obama is fantastic orator. He can really sell his lies to the audience. Hitler was dynamic and engaging too but he was plain nuts yet he duped the German people into believing his corrupt vision just as Obama did to Americans in 2008 and 2012.

Too bad he’s such a crappy manager and leader. He could have gotten alot more done if he wasn’t such an staunch and uncompromising ideologue and had been more pragmatic so all Americans would have benefitted.

Go Trump.

222 GRX January 10, 2017 at 7:29 PM

Obama has finished his farewell address. Good riddance inexperienced community organizer… failed at that too.

I believe the Trump administration can and will clean up the Obama’s mess and once again raise America’s greatness and exceptionalism on both the domestic and international front.

223 Atticus Thraxx January 10, 2017 at 8:14 PM

There’s an ill, orange wind blowing a hammer and sickle that flutters with brutish, stupid menace in our direction. Agents of discord and deceit are at work at this very moment twisting the body politic into an unnatural sexual position. You’re about to be cravenly sodomized and I bet to the very end you’ll call it lovemaking. That’s how it is with radicalized fanatics. Never mind he’s a draft dodging, degenerate, former democrat with the ethics of horny pole-cat, he’s your man. I get it. Once for about 15 minutes I thought a fella named H.Ross Perot sounded good. Desperate times call for desperate measures, right? Anyway, I’m gonna have fun the next four years with you ‘tards. If he lasts four years. He’s looking kinda fat.

224 Randy January 10, 2017 at 9:18 PM

Let’s hope he dug a little deeper vetting his cabinet choices BTW can’t get an American singer. Bad choice. Make America Great Again

Charlotte Church shuts down Trump inauguration offer in bold tweet

The Huffington Post on · 15 hours ago

‘A simple Internet search would show that I think you’re a tyrant,’ the Welsh singer tweeted about being asked to sing at the ceremony on Jan. 20.

225 Randy January 10, 2017 at 9:26 PM

Bad Choice. Just Bad That’s Chump Speak.

Monica Crowley, Trump’s communications director, has book sales halted after damning plagiarism scandal

Monica Crowley, one of Donald Trump’s senior communications officials, has a long history of plagiarism that includes lifting the published works of others to write a book, a Ph.D. dissertation and numerous columns for a Washington, D.C., newspaper, according to multiple reports.

Crowley was tapped by Trump last month to serve as his director of communications at the White House’s National Security Council. But Crowley’s appointment could raise red flags among some, as her record on communications is apparently rather questionable.

A CNN report out over the weekend revealed that the conservative author and syndicated talk show host had more than 50 blatant examples of plagiarism in her 2012 book, “What the (Bleep) Just Happened?”

226 Randy January 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM

Life can go on at fox back to what they do best

Executives at 21st Century Fox, the parent company of Fox News, settled a sexual harassment charge brought by an employee against its prime-time star, Bill O’Reilly, according to a person briefed on the matter.

The charge was brought by Juliet Huddy, a Fox broadcaster who joined the company in the late 1990s, the person confirmed, speaking anonymously due to the confidential nature of the agreement.

The settlement, first reported by and confirmed by The New York Times, was finalized several weeks after former Fox News CEO Roger Ailes was ousted last July following a sexual harassment lawsuit filed by another Fox broadcaster, Gretchen Carlson.

Huddy agreed to refrain from suing the network and was paid a sum in “the high six figures,” according to Lawnewz and the Times

227 OHMy January 10, 2017 at 9:35 PM

The California crisis could begin in a few weeks. IF Trump administration cuts off Federal funds to Sanctuary State of California that means possible loss of $93 billion about 35 % of State’s budget.

Gov. Jerry Brown is saying state is now projected to run a $1.6-billion deficit by next summer. So democrats may finally accomplish bankrupting the state even if Trump doesn’t withhold any federal dollars.

Perhaps you all should start calling your elected democrats in state legislature and demand to know how they are going to balance the budget.

Then ask them if there would be a surplus if they were not attracting illegals to CA? They have given out over 800,000 drivers licenses to illegals in past 2 years.

228 Dr. Jellyfinger January 10, 2017 at 10:01 PM

Ted looks like he’s getting a little bit chubby!

Still… and as usual, (even after being interrupted by rude left wing loonies in the peanut gallery) Ted verbally slays the Democrat losers.

229 Dr. Jellyfinger January 10, 2017 at 10:22 PM

@OHMy 229 ~ You act as if American citizens should receive priority consideration over those people who sneaked into this country illegally to take advantage of our lefty lunatic welfare system… racist!

230 Local January 10, 2017 at 10:46 PM

OHMy – “GDP growth
Jimmy Carter, 3.2%
Ronald Reagan, 3.5%
Bill Clinton, 3.8%”

I get it now. In order for you guys to be positive about republicans, you must block out the Bushs.

Bush .98
Bush 1.1

OHMy – “Obama…2.1%”

Double his predecessor. Thanks Obama.

OHMy – “Per the National Bureau of Economic Research recession ended June 2009 six months after obama took office.”

Only 6mo? Thanks Obama.

OHMy – “Obama…117,708 jobs per month.”

When he took office we were losing 800,000 jobs per month. Thanks Obama.

OHMy – “Gov. Jerry Brown is saying state is now projected to run a $1.6-billion deficit by next summer.”

California pays $35 billion to the federal government so the Republican Welfare States that take money from the federal government, like Texas, don’t go bankrupt. $1.6b? Gtfo.

Red states vs. blue states

Interestingly enough, red states, which tend to advocate for a lesser influence by the federal government, are much more dependent on the federal government than blue states. Blue states combined to form an average ranking of 18.3 (with 1 being most dependent and 50 being least dependent), while red states combined to rank 33.2 overall.

231 Elwood January 10, 2017 at 11:28 PM

Whatever became of the widely prophesied death of the Republican party?

Looks like the poo is on the other foot now.

232 Randy January 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM

Obama stock market when enter office 7900 and 20,000 when he leaves.

Trump would need to have it go to 50,000 to duplicate that feat .

233 TIFOKCIS January 11, 2017 at 8:14 AM

8 more days.

234 Aspirin January 11, 2017 at 8:20 AM

The Putin/Trump Tweets appear to be coming from a thin-skinned individual incapable of handling criticism.

Let us hope that Putin/Trump can rise above such silliness.

235 Aspirin January 11, 2017 at 8:24 AM

Re: Elwood #233: Keep a close watch on the upcoming years during Putin/Trump’s presidency. The GOP’s second big mistake will happen if it cannot replace the ACA with an immediate viable alternative.

The sleeping Congress is awakening in the 21st Century, but it thinks it is still in the 19th Century.

236 Aspirin January 11, 2017 at 8:31 AM

Putin/Trump has denied having “investments” in Russia. However:

According to The Washington Post, many of Trump’s businesses have at least received investment money from Russian businesspeople. As far back as 2008, Donald Jr. said at a real estate conference, “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets.” He added, “we see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”

237 Aspirin January 11, 2017 at 8:33 AM

“If we thought money corrupts government we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.”

-Aspirin 2017.

238 Aspirin January 11, 2017 at 8:38 AM

Karl Marx said “Democracy is the road to socialism”.

If true, the GOP is standing in the way of democracy.

239 Dr. Jellyfinger January 11, 2017 at 9:01 AM

Randy @ 234 ~ I have to admit, Randy is right about the stock market .

240 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 11, 2017 at 10:13 AM

The stock market is not a report card on the Presidency. There are a lot of factors, business cycles and such that may have more of an impact. However, if you do want to go with that metric, Calvin Coolidge was a far better president, and he campaigned on reducing the deficit using tax cuts and federal spending cuts to increase economic growth, and that is exactly what happened: the deficit and debt fell. But according to Democrats, that cannot happen. So, to those democrats wanting to use the stock market to justify Obama, they have a big problem with who is first on the list.

241 AnonUnReformed January 11, 2017 at 10:15 AM

Why do we the citizens of California just roll over to whatever crazy cr@p the legislators come up with?

Anybody else ready to repeal the plastic bag ban?

242 AlwaysBePositive January 11, 2017 at 11:07 AM

After listening to President Obama’s farewell speech last night, I realized that I was going about this all wrong. It is important to not only keep a reservoir of good will in my heart, it is also important to assume that my political opponents have that store as well. I know that I will be disappointed when that reservoir is hidden from my view, but it is my belief that we are all Americans and that while we can compete, we are on the same team. I apologize to those posters I’ve belittled (asking someone to think critically doesn’t count).

After listening to the P-e’s press conference today, I’m no longer pissed. I’m scared. America has been conned, and we are on the path to a royal screwing if we don’t work together to move America forward.

Thanks to the Senate Republican leadership for delaying the start of Confirmation hearings of those Cabinet nominees that don’t feel the application is important enough to complete.

243 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 11, 2017 at 11:13 AM

Karma. What goes around, comes around. Those people you step on while going up the corporate ladder, you will meet again on the way down.

I love it. Trump refused a question from a CNN reporter today at his press conference, calling CNN “fake news.” Now, CNN is in for a big dance. How can CNN report that and pretend outrage, when Obama did worse to FOX, refusing them invitations to events, excluding reporters and film crews, the bizarre public quotes from his press secretary admitting they exclude FOX, and belittling them. This should be fun. Karma is a Hillary.

244 slagheap January 11, 2017 at 12:31 PM

fellow claycordians: if you watched the trump ” press conference ” this morning and aren’t terrified for the country, weren’t appalled beyond words, then there’s no hope for you and really nothing left to say at all.

245 JWB January 11, 2017 at 12:38 PM

Well FSM talking about Karma

Maybe CNN sent their investigators to Russia and they cannot believe what they’re finding ………

Remember this one?


…You are not allowed to be a President if you are not born in this country. He may not have been born in this country, and I tell you what: three weeks ago I thought he was born in this country — right now I have some real doubts.

[pause]I have people that actually have been studying it, and they cannot believe what they’re finding.


You have people now, down there, searching, I mean in Hawaii?


…You are not allowed to be a President if you are not born in this country. He may not have been born in this country, and I tell you what: three weeks ago I thought he was born in this country — right now I have some real doubts.

[pause]I have people that actually have been studying it, and they cannot believe what they’re finding.


You have people now, down there, searching, I mean in Hawaii?


Absolutely. Absolutely, and they cannot believe what they’re finding.

What goes around, comes around ………

246 Randy January 11, 2017 at 1:16 PM

Making America Great

Dollar Slides After Donald Trump Press Conference

Investors had hoped Trump would discuss his plans to cut taxes, reduce regulation and boost fiscal stimulus

247 Randy January 11, 2017 at 1:17 PM

The good news about Trumps news conference is we won’t have to see it again for 6 months.

248 Aspirin January 11, 2017 at 2:39 PM

Trump is promising an “immediate” replacement for the ACA which “will cost less and cover more”.

The GOP Congress has other ideas, however. It is actually considering eliminating the ACA and replacing it “later”. The GOP could not put a healthcare plan in its entire existence.

Why should we believe that it can do it now?

249 Aspirin January 11, 2017 at 2:41 PM

I’ll miss Thomas Sowell. His Times column provided badly needed hilarity.

250 TIFOKCIS January 11, 2017 at 3:36 PM

Liberal ash wipes demand everything be changed, replaced, rewritten.

Trump is doing just that and they continue to cry.


251 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 11, 2017 at 3:44 PM

Trump said CNN is a “fake news” site. So, let’s look. What are the stories right now at the top of their page?

House dems fume about one of Trump’s appointments
Ethics chief says Trump actions wholly inadequate
Story alleging split among Trump’s new cabinet members
Another claiming another appointment is hostile to civil rights
Another story about conflict between his staff
Allegations of Russian blackmail
Another telling him he is wrong about fake news
Another story saying Trump is “gaslighting” everyone
And so on…..

What are the only two stories about Obama? One on his speech calling him a “champion of hope and change, ” and another story on why his daughter Sasha did not attend Obama’s speech.

Some would say CNN uses “facts” as background furniture to pretend it is a news site, but really is just an angry anti-Trump blog. Others would claim that since there is at least one “fact” in all of those stories buried somewhere, it is news, and therefore a news site.

252 Local January 11, 2017 at 4:01 PM

Read CNN’s response to Trump’s accusations of false reporting

Given that members of the Trump transition team have so vocally criticized our reporting, we encourage them to identify, specifically, what they believe to be inaccurate.


There’s a reason Obama’s criticism of Fox news was so mild. The fact that they never took him up on offers to appear on the channel in response to things did make me think they were threatened by him.

253 Randy January 11, 2017 at 4:02 PM

Trump: I didn’t mean what I said:

Trump acknowledges Russian involvement in US election meddling
The Washington Post on · 4 hours ago

Despite his hacking acknowledgement Wednesday, Trump continues to dispute intelligence reports that Moscow acted to help him win.

254 Randy January 11, 2017 at 4:04 PM

I guess there not giving LSD to anyone any more

Fox News:

Trump Pentagon likely to abandon social experiments, experts say

255 Randy January 11, 2017 at 4:18 PM


Donald Trump to America: I Won, Accountability Is Over

Oh Don please tell Congress about the new standard. It will save millions on not having Congressional committees.

256 Local January 11, 2017 at 4:23 PM

Donald Trump cited a fake news site to debunk ‘sexual acts’ allegations

President-elect Donald Trump has accused BuzzFeed News of running a “fake news” article. His critics claim the “debunker” by Lifezette magazine is itself a “fake news” site.

Ahead of the claims made in a “dossier” which BuzzFeed chose to publish in full, was this disclaimer.

“A dossier, compiled by a person who has claimed to be a former British intelligence official, alleges Russia has compromising information on Trump. The allegations are unverified, and the report contains errors.”

Lifezette…Tropes include “Look how old this celebrity got,” “This is the derivation of your surname – come do a family tree,” and “Dress better”.

257 AnonUnReformed January 11, 2017 at 4:29 PM

So National Geographic is trying to turn America’s youth into Starbucks coffee orders.

Never read cr@p from them again.

258 Local January 11, 2017 at 4:31 PM

Contrary to Donald’s statements and based on PEW Research Center polls:

Majority of public says Trump has a responsibility to release his tax returns

I’m not in the press and I’ve wanted to see his tax returns since he beat the republicans in the primaries.

Based on Quinnipiac University polling:

Donald Trump Polls: President-elect’s Approval Rating Drops to 37 Percent

259 AnonUnReformed January 11, 2017 at 4:35 PM

@Local #251

No, actually I didn’t.

The fact that the stock market went up may have (and I believe does not have) anything to do with Obama. Randy’s statement however implies that Obama was the one who got the stock market to rise. That is what I dispute. Or was this comment to rational for this site?

260 Aspirin January 11, 2017 at 7:01 PM

Trump’s promise to immediately replace Obamacare is interesting because the GOP Senate is in a panic to eliminate the ACA – without an immediate replacement.

Actually, the GOP Congress hasn’t a clue as to a replacement. The Republicans have never been able to agree on a national healthcare plan.
“leave it up to the states” they say and that has proven to be unworkable.

The free world has embraced a global economy. Apparently Trump wants to turn the clock back, thinking that lost jobs can be brought back to America. Reality will set in when he comes up against members of his own Party who have committed to the higher profits realized with the use of foreign labor.

Republicans are all about money and cheap overseas labor has filled their wallets. If Trump can convince American labor to accept lower wages, longer hours, and no unionization in order to price USA made products competitively, he might pull it off.

261 GRX January 11, 2017 at 7:14 PM

Six Failures of Obama & His Administration

1. Withdrawing all U.S. troops from Iraq

The worst mistake. That led to the rise of ISIS, which Mr. Obama ignored and now we have a disaster, not only inside Iraq, but worldwide.

2. Syria

After the tyrant Assad used poison gas on innocent people, Mr. Obama threatened Assad but the threat was hollow. Mr. Obama did nothing. And so hundreds of thousands of Syrians have been killed, brutalized or have fled. That has destabilized Europe and led to even more terrorism.

3. Russia

Mr. Obama was totally impotent in the face of the tyrant Putin. The former KGB officer did exactly what he wanted to do, including invading countries and allegedly hacking into the American political system.

4. China

The Chinese do not fear Barack Obama and have now made the South China Sea international water their own. The Chinese have also undermined the American economy, as Donald Trump has so often pointed out.

5. Nuclear Treaty with Iran

What is not debatable is that Iran is the primary sponsor of terrorism in the world, including the direct destabilizing of countries in the Mideast and Afghanistan. The Iranians do not fear Barack Obama.

6. Global Warming

President Obama believes that global warming is more important than stabilizing and protecting the world in the face of a global jihad. Mr. Obama’s vision of hurting certain economic sectors in order to lessen fossil fuel intrusion cannot possibly work unless countries like India and China do the same thing.

And they are not.

So, Mr. Obama imposed regulations that hurt the American economy knowing full well that climate change would not improve worldwide. That doesn’t make any sense except to an ideologue.

262 Atticus Thraxx January 11, 2017 at 8:27 PM

Comrade Cheeto. What is it with Russians and track suits anyway?

263 Local January 11, 2017 at 9:48 PM

Trump’s trainwreck press conference ushers in a clueless presidency

For a showman who promised to restore the Reagan era – and even ripped off Reagan’s slogan – this is just one of the most surprising revelations of the past few days.

Reagan and his advisers knew how to project a sunny image that kept the presidency separate from whatever the pesky media wanted to focus on, such as high unemployment or secret gun-running to enemy states.

Judging from Wednesday’s trainwreck press conference – the first since July – Trump and his handlers have no self-discipline and no strategy to deal with the Russian crisis that has been simmering for the best part of the past year.

They also have no sense of irony or, apparently, reality. The press conference opened with Sean Spicer, the incoming press secretary, condemning the media coverage of Trump’s compromised relationship with Russia as “frankly outrageous and highly irresponsible”.

It seems churlish to have to recall this tweet from Trump in the closing phase of the recent election: “Did Crooked Hillary help disgusting (check out sex tape and past) Alicia M become a US citizen so she could use her in the debate?”

This kind of thing makes it hard for the new White House to pass the laugh test, never mind the smell test. It’s heartwarming to know that the president-elect is so concerned about how fake news can destroy real people. If only he had the self-awareness and self-discipline to live by his own words.

In any crisis you generally try to deflect attention from your own misconduct. Instead, Team Trump seems happy to shine a bright light on its own monumental mistakes.

Donald stated he won’t release his tax returns, isn’t held accountable by conflict of interest laws, threatened to kick out media reporters he doesn’t like, likened the Intelligence Community to Nazis, reaffirmed his affinity for Vladimir Putin, acknowledged that Russia hacked the DNC, implied it was a good thing that the DNC was hacked, and blames the “new phenomena” of hacking on a weakness of the Obama administration.

Full transcript:

264 Local January 11, 2017 at 10:00 PM

Trump press event a theatre of the absurd

The last one came more than five months ago. That was when Mr Trump urged Russia to hunt down Hillary Clinton’s deleted emails. Less than a week before – the day after he accepted the Republican presidential nomination – he went out of the way to belittle former Republican presidential opponent Ted Cruz, stepping all over his own post-convention bounce.

It wasn’t particularly surprising, then, that the Trump team decided to end the practice, despite the fact that they had spent months mocking Mrs Clinton for her own efforts to avoid media queries.

During the press conference, Mr Trump would deliver a sharp rebuke and be greeted with applause. Mr Trump would crack a joke followed by laughter. Mr Trump would ask a rhetorical question, and get a chorus of responses.

It was enough to make some viewers wonder whether the normally reserved reporters were throwing their lot in with the soon-to-be president.

In fact, the animated reactions were coming from Trump supporters, political staff and business employees who were crammed into the Trump Tower lobby along with journalists.

Given that Mr Trump seems to draw energy from a welcoming crowd, stacking a press conference with a friendly audience may not be a bad idea from a strategic standpoint. It made for an odd experience when juxtaposed with his sometimes aggressive press questioners – and will be even more peculiar if the practice is continued in the White House briefing room

265 Local January 11, 2017 at 10:08 PM
266 GRX January 11, 2017 at 10:36 PM

I’m disgusted with CNN’s reporter’s rudeness and disrespect towards the president-elect. The reporter would have been criticized and excorciated if a Fox reporter did that to obama.

267 GRX January 11, 2017 at 10:40 PM


Local is thanking Obama for failed foreign policy and ineffective leadership.

Epic cowardice and myopia.

268 Westal January 11, 2017 at 10:43 PM

Donald Trump! What a breath of fresh air! No
more stiff, stuffy, pseudo-intellectual nonsense
during the White House press conferences. By
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269 Elwood January 11, 2017 at 11:20 PM

Randy January 11, 2017 at 7:58 AM #232
Obama stock market when enter office 7900 and 20,000 when he leaves.

Trump would need to have it go to 50,000 to duplicate that feat

And the Arab had what to do with it, how?.

270 Dr. Jellyfinger January 11, 2017 at 11:20 PM

Calling a man by his color is racist…. even if it’s orange.

All these predictions of loss & failure….
Developing a taste for eating crow?
Eating crow could become normal for you guys…
You are guys, right?
Anyway… here’s a little sumptin for ya:,1-0,crow,FF.html

271 Local January 12, 2017 at 12:07 AM

Apparently GTX hasn’t seen reporters at a contentious press conference before and advocates silencing the press.

Westal’s offer may be speaking from experience.

Elwood is out of touch with reality. Obama’s not Arabic and Randy clearly did not say Obama had anything to do with it. That’s all in your head.

272 Local January 12, 2017 at 12:10 AM

Thanks for the recipe, Jelly. We may all need it if inflation spikes and the dollar drops in value.

273 anon January 12, 2017 at 10:36 AM

Nine days left of the Manchurian Candidate.

274 AlwaysBePositive January 12, 2017 at 10:47 AM

Walnut Creek Women’s March
Saturday, January 21, 2017
Civic Park
11 a.m. rally
12 noon march.

Join thousands of Americans across the country to let the P-e know that he does not have a mandate to do whatever he wants. Stand together!

275 AlwaysBePositive January 12, 2017 at 10:57 AM

Our President-elect is a liar.

Always has been, probably always will be. I’m not going to talk about campaign promises, because all politicians lie. I want to talk about lies-factual misstatements that are not corrected by the P-e (a corrected misstatement would be a mistake-something everyone does).

On 3.8.15 the P-e said…
“…the Trump Winery is the largest winery on the east coast.”

That is a lie. Why did he lie, and why hasn’t he admitted that he lied?

If the P-e is willing to lie about things as insignificant as this, why should anyone believe him when he says things about important issues

276 TIFOKCIS January 12, 2017 at 11:20 AM

The racism from the left is deafening.

I’ve never seen so many bigots attacking a guy for being orange.

277 PEGASUS January 12, 2017 at 11:49 AM


DNC Master Puppeteer George Soros lost nearly one billion dollars after the stock market surged following the election, reported by the Wall Street Journal.
The horrible excuse for a human being bet on the wrong candidate.

278 Not My President January 12, 2017 at 11:52 AM

ABP – We have a good sized group planning to attend. And before you say we are sore losers consider this… There wouldn’t be protests if
a) the Republicans nominee and winner had been 1 of the other 16 in the race.
b) the Republican winner did not LIE and DENY, ironic that a Reality TV personality refuses to deal with reality
c) Russia had not interfered with an American election
d) the Republican winner cared more about the American people than he did the REAL Billionaires he has chosen to surround himself with

BTW.. betcha didn’t know that the Liar in Chief lifted the Drain the Swamp metaphor too:
Drain the swamp is a term which has been used by American politicians. The term alludes to the historical draining of swamps to keep mosquito populations low to combat malaria.[1] The term has since been used as a metaphor by:

Winfield R. Gaylord to describe the socialist desire to “drain” the “capitalist swamp”.[1]
Ronald Reagan, who called for “drain[ing] the swamp” of bureaucracy in the federal government in 1983.[2][3]
Nancy Pelosi while announcing her 100-Hour Plan in response to more than a decade of Republican rule.[4][5]
Donald Trump to describe his plan to fix problems in the federal government.[1][6]

Stand Up and Stand Together.

279 Not My President January 12, 2017 at 11:54 AM
280 mtzman January 12, 2017 at 12:16 PM

@ anon 278, yep, then he becomes the Manchurian president. God help us all …

281 PEGASUS January 12, 2017 at 12:22 PM

To recount the one lasting legacy of Barack Obama that will always be emblazoned in my memory. When I think of him I will be drawn to this image.

Obama will forever be the president who worked diligently to put the gun of government to the heads of the Little Sisters of the Poor, demanding that they either pay to destroy children in the womb or be crushed.

You can’t candy-coat that. You can’t hide it. You can’t pretend it wasn’t what it was. For 177 years, the Little Sisters of the Poor has been a large Roman Catholic religious ministry that takes vows of chastity, poverty, obedience, and hospitality. Serving the Kingdom of God on earth in over 30 countries, they have one stated mission: to care for impoverished people as they near the end of their lives. As Ashley McGuire describes it, “The only fight they go looking for is to make the last days of some very downtrodden people brighter and happier, to send as many people into the next life surrounded by love, not garbage.”

Obama knew that, personally. Regardless, he instructed his administration to rewrite executive regulations nine separate times to ensure these nuns be forced to either violate their conscience by helping distribute abortifacients or be fined $70 million a year and out of existence. Their beliefs, their ministry, their cause, and even the incredible work that they do were secondary to Obama’s devotion to funding and expanding the destruction of infants with tax dollars.

The president’s own lawyers admitted in court that there were compromises available that would have met their objectives while sparing the Sisters’ consciences. But Obama refused. Using the coercive power of the state to compel nuns to pay for abortion drugs became an issue of pride for this small man.

His obsession was so out of touch that the Supreme Court, divided as it is, issued a unanimous ruling telling Obama he must find another way. When Ruth Bader Ginsburg joins hands with Clarence Thomas to rebuke your fixation with forcing nuns to violate their conscience, you have reached the pinnacle of ideological extremism and hate.

282 PEGASUS January 12, 2017 at 12:56 PM


Watchig CNN yesterday evening was like seeing four men who just won a $100M lottery trying to pretend they were not excited. Jake Tapper, Jim Scuitto, Carl Bernstein, and Evan Perez could hardly contain their glee at getting to report what they fervently hoped could and would be verified as true.

They kept saying it had not yet been corroborated but they were clearly certain it would be. They so badly wanted it to be true. Watching with the sound off, anyone would have thought they were celebrating something electrifying, like man’s first walk on the moon. Then they mentioned BuzzFeed – hint-hint – so of course anyone who was interested in reading the actual dossier could go there and read it. CNN did not have to discuss the ugly details contained within. Tapper could spill the beans and pretend his own hands were clean. BuzzFeed should be done and gone by tomorrow.

Since last evening, millions of words have been written and uttered by partisans on all sides. The document is fake, authored possibly by one of several different players: Rick Wilson, a NeverTrump Republican or Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer, now part of a private company in London. Or it could be someone who has yet come to light. Whoever did write it did shoddy, sloppy work. It has been floating around D.C. for five months, and not one agency could verify a single fake fact.

John McCain is part of the story; “someone” gave it to him, and he, as a good citizen, passed it on to Director Comey at the FBI. McCain, of all people, should have known better, but the people who loathe Trump are blinded by their distress that he actually won.

Carl Bernstein was positively exhilarated. He was about to be part of the next Watergate scandal. Maybe he would be on television every night for months. Jim Scuitto could not suppress his smile. Jake Tapper feebly attempted to hide his delight. He could spread the story far and wide with his disclaimer that it had not been “proven” and know that he was the one getting it out there. He was “breaking” the biggest news of the year.

It is impossible to have any respect for Tapper, Chuck Todd, George Stephanopoulos, and the lot of them. They are the hacks, the real dispensers of fake news. They revel in their power to do it. They have always reveled in their power to control public knowledge and opinion. But no more. The explosion of internet news sites changed that many years ago but the mainstream media have remained in denial. They mock those sites. But Trump and Twitter have forced them to realize their irrelevance, and they are having a nationwide tantrum.

But who had the last laugh? Trump, of course. Will the media never learn? He does not play by their rules of incivility; he plays by his own rules of incivility: when attacked, fight back harder. Thanks to CNN and BuzzFeed, Trump won the day, and the media have egg on their faces. Someone or more than one someone tried to use classic Soviet-style disinformation to destroy Trump. They will no doubt try again and again, but each attempt is costing them the last of any remaining credibility they may have.

The American thinker

283 Local January 12, 2017 at 1:38 PM

@Pegasus #288 & #289

FYI, both of your previous posts are from a fake news website.

284 Westal January 12, 2017 at 1:55 PM

Mark Zuckerberg wants to shut down fake news
on Facebook. Sure he does! Right after he shuts
down the fake user accounts.

285 Anonymous January 12, 2017 at 2:32 PM

It seems our new Senator Harris is filling the Babs-Boxer- empty head-slot.

Harris , who made her bones by committing serial adultery with Willie Brown, questioned the nominee for Secretary of Defense by asking about gay rights and climate change .

What a vapid, silly person.

286 AlwaysBePositive January 12, 2017 at 2:43 PM

@#288 p
American Thinker blog? Fake news, think critically. In addition…
“…demanding that they either pay to destroy children in the womb or be crushed.” There are no children in any wombs.
Nuns are women, therefore they can get pregnant. The Pope has issued dispensation for nuns to use birth control in parts of Africa based on the amount of rape in war zones. Guess what, the priests are getting Viagra coverage also.
Please provide sourcing for President Obama’s personal knowledge of the order.

@#289 p
American Thinker blog? Again? Surely you can find a different fake news site, think critically.
“They kept saying it had not yet been corroborated but they were clearly certain it would be.” And this is different from the P-e’s use of Wikileaks how?
The document is not fake, it was produced by a private security firm out of London.
“But Trump and Twitter have forced them to realize their irrelevance…” Kind of like the tweet P-e used to explain the origin of climate change?
“But who had the last laugh? Trump, of course. Will the media never learn? He does not play by their rules of incivility; he plays by his own rules of incivility: when attacked, fight back harder.” Our future President? We have so much to look forward to…

Finally, if you are going to go the credibility route, you can’t use American Thinker. American? Maybe. Thinker? Definitely not.

287 JWB January 12, 2017 at 2:54 PM
288 Westal January 12, 2017 at 2:59 PM

@ABP #280

Perhaps he wasn’t lying. Perhaps he was just
mistaken. Oh, but then that would require the
presence of some humanity on the part of
liberals, and the ability to forgive others their
human foibles. We know, of course, that isn’t
possible because liberals are raving lunatics
who cannot and will not give anyone the benefit
of the doubt.

289 Phil January 12, 2017 at 3:07 PM

@279 – don’t forget; obama took the same tack in doing whatever he wanted. But did you see violence, looting and a bunch of crybabies looking for their “safe spaces” when he did that? No, we moved on. Did you see a bunch of loonies threatening to leave the US if obama got elected? No, we moved on. Take a lesson from that. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Deal with it

@284 – and as of Inauguration Day, he IS YOUR president…like it or not. You don’t like it, then pack your bags and move out… or threaten to leave just like all of the big-talking lying hypocritical liberals.

It’s funny, watching the liberals’ collective heads explode.

290 PEGASUS January 12, 2017 at 3:12 PM

In a final pathetic act of lunacy, the little brown emperor gives the Medal of Freedom to Crazy Uncle Joe.
Why not arrange for a Pulitzer, they give those to any damn fool.

291 Randy January 12, 2017 at 4:07 PM

Sources: Time Magazine, NY Times, The Atlantic, The Guardian UK.

1) Trump owes Blackstone/ Bayrock group $560 million dollars (one of his largest debtors and the primary reason he won’t reveal his tax returns)

2) Blackstone is owned wholly by Russian billionaires, who owe their position to Putin and have made billions from their work with the Russian government.

3) Other companies that have borrowed from Blackstone have claimed that owing money to them is like owing to the Russian mob and while you owe them, they own you for many favors.

4) The Russian economy is badly faltering under the weight of its over-dependence on raw materials which as you know have plummeted in the last 2 years leaving the Russian economy scrambling to pay its debts.

5) Russia has an impetus to influence our election to ensure the per barrel oil prices are above $65 ( they are currently hovering around $50)

6) Russia can’t affordably get at 80% of its oil reserves and reduce its per barrel cost to compete with America at $45 or Saudi Arabia at $39. With Iranian sanctions being lifted Russia will find another inexpensive competitor increasing production and pushing Russia further down the list of suppliers.
As for Iranian sanctions, the 6 countries lifting them allowing Iran to collect on the billions it is owed for pumping oil but not being paid for it. These billions Iran can only get if the Iranian nuclear deal is signed. Trump spoke of ending the deals which would cause oil sales sanctions to be reimposed, which would make Russian oil more competitive.

7) Rex Tillerson (Trump’s pick for Secretary of State) is the head of ExxonMobil, which is in possession of patented technology that could help Putin extract 45% more oil at a significant cost savings to Russia, helping Putin put money in the Russian coffers to help reconstitute its military and finally afford to mass produce the new and improved systems that it had invented before the Russian economy had slowed so much.

8) Putin cannot get access to these new cost saving technologies OR outside oil field development money, due to US sanctions on Russia, because of its involvement in Ukrainian civil war.

9) Look for Trump to end sanctions on Russia and to back out of the Iranian nuclear deal, to help Russia rebuild its economy, strengthen Putin and make Tillerson and Trump even richer, thus allowing Trump to satisfy his creditors at Blackstone.

10) With Trump’s fabricated hatred of NATO and the U.N., the Russian military reconstituted, the threat to the Baltic states is real. Russia retaking their access to the Baltic Sea from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia and threatening the shipping of millions of cubic feet of natural gas to lower Europe from Scandinavia, allowing Russia to make a good case for its oil and gas being piped into eastern Europe.

292 PEGASUS January 12, 2017 at 4:09 PM

ABP, once again, employs that good old lunatic liberal overused tactic to deny reality.
ABP has knowledge that nuns use birth control and priests use Viagra?
Amazing! Must have a direct line to the Vatican.
I’d hate to call you a liar so perhaps you’re grossly misinformed.

BTW, Trump won the election, deal with reality.

293 Silva January 12, 2017 at 4:10 PM

In one night, the GOP voted to take away these 6 essential health benefits
Republicans showed exactly where they stand;

Last night while you were sleeping, the Senate debated and ultimately passed a budget resolution that provides a pathway for Republicans to strip health care coverage away from 30 million Americans without having a single Democratic vote.
As the Senate debated the resolution that provides a blueprint to repeal the Affordable Care Act, both Republicans and Democrats had the opportunity to offer a flurry of rapid-fire amendments in a process known as “vote-a-rama.” While these votes are non-binding, the exercise provides an opportunity for senators to show where their colleagues stand on a number of key issues. And the results are not pretty.
Senate Republicans took several votes that showed they are not on your side. Last night, Republicans voted against amendments that would:

1. Protect people with pre-existing conditions
Republicans blocked an amendment that would have made it harder to take away coverage from Americans with preexisting medical conditions. 52 million people — about 1 in 4 non-elderly Americans — have preexisting conditions. These Americans are more likely to face significant health costs, and before the Affordable Care Act, were often denied coverage entirely. The amendment also would have protected coverage for people disabilities or chronic health conditions, and prevent plans from discriminating based on health. Republicans currently have no alternative plan to insure people with preexisting conditions. Only two Republicans — Maine’s Susan Collins and Nevada’s Dean Heller — voted for the amendment.

2. Let young adults stay on their parents’ plan
Republicans blocked an amendment by Democratic Sen. Tammy Baldwin that would have made it easier young people to stay on their parents’ health care plan until they are 26 — one of the most popular and effective provisions of the Affordable Care Act. Over 6 million young adults have gained health insurance since the law was implemented in 2010, and young Americans now report better physical and mental health. The provision is also overwhelmingly popular — 85 percent favor keeping young people on their parents’ insurance plans. Sens. Heller and Collins were the only two senators who bucked their party on this vote.

3. Maintain access to contraceptive coverage
Thanks to Obamacare, birth control is more affordable than ever. Spending on contraceptive health care has gone down by 20 percent since the Affordable Care Act took effect. An amendment by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand sought to continue this momentum. Unsurprisingly, Republicans blocked the provision 49–49. Sens. Collins and Heller both voted with Democrats.

4. Ensure Medicaid expansion stays in place
Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act benefited 11 million low-income Americans in 2015 alone and has created thousands of jobs for direct care workers. An amendment by Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ) would have sought to continue Medicaid expansion, but it was blocked by Republicans — 48–50.

5. Protect children on Medicaid or CHIP
Republicans blocked an amendment offered by Senator Brown (D-OH) that would ensure children could keep their health coverage on Medicaid or the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), both of which provide comprehensive health care services for children including key preventive and developmental care.

6. Protect veterans’ health care
Republicans blocked an amendment by Sen. Tester (D-MT) that would have made it harder to restrict veterans’ ability to access VA health care. While Democrats have sought to provide better funding and health care access at the VA, Donald Trump has proposed eliminating the agency altogether through privatization. A poll in 2015 found that almost two-thirds of survey respondents oppose plans to replace VA health care with a voucher system, an idea backed by many Republican lawmakers and presidential candidates.

Republicans say they want to replace Obamacare with something better. But in just one night’s votes, they indicated that they are not willing to take a stand to ensure that people with pre-existing conditions, women, children, veterans, young adults, people with disabilities, and struggling families can continue to access the affordable coverage they need going forward.

By Melissa Boteach and Jeremy Slevin

294 Aspirin January 12, 2017 at 4:33 PM

The election was badly compromised by a political move by the FBI to reopen an investigation into Hillary’s emails.

The DoJ will be investigating events which may have cost Hillary the election. Reopening the email investigation because there “may be” more information was not justified considering there was no proof and a FBI investigation that close to Election Day was certain to harm Hillary’s chances for a fair election.

FBI Director Comey is a Republican.

295 Aspirin January 12, 2017 at 4:38 PM

If the GOP does not immediately replace (as Trump promised) the ACA with a viable alternative it will be voted into a minority next election.

That is guaranteed.

296 Aspirin January 12, 2017 at 4:56 PM

During the campaign Trump referred to Hillary as “crooked Hillary” and he vowed to prosecute her for her crimes if he was elected.

Hillary committed no crime, as reported by the FBI and the DoJ.

Still, Donald persisted in calling her “crooked Hillary” and promising prison.

Then the FBI’s Republican Director Comey decides to reopen a closed investigation because a “rumor” mentioned her email might yet contain something of interest. No proof, just a hunch.

Why did Comey reopen an investigation sure to harm Hillary’s chances for election? was he trying to curry favor from his Republican friends? The GOP was furious with Comey for not charging Hillary and closing the previous investigation.

If this new investigation proves that Comey did not act in accordance with good faith and adherence to policy, and that it cost Hillary the election, it would destroy any confidence that Putin/Trump was fairly elected.

297 Randy January 12, 2017 at 5:19 PM

He’s crazy

“It will be essentially simultaneously,” Trump told reporters in New York. “It will be various segments, you understand, but will most likely be on the same day or the same week, but probably the same day, could be the same hour … And we’re going to get a health bill passed. We’re going to get health care taken care of in this country.”

298 GRX January 12, 2017 at 5:41 PM

Mr. Trump,

Please sign an executive order to withold the majority of federal grants to “sanctuary” cities. These renegade jurisdiction explicitly intend to misuse tax dollars to protect and harbor illegal aliens.

Thank you.

Law abiding Americans

299 Local January 12, 2017 at 5:55 PM


Here’s a list of fake news sites that include many left leaning, as well as right leaning websites, created by a source that deals with assessing information, not politics:

You’ll notice that your source, americanthinker dot com, is listed as fake news because they have provably published fake news stories in the past.

Understandably some of their stories may hold truth in their effort to be believed as a valid source, so if you think your stories are true, I advise you to find them on another source that has not been proven to spread falsehoods.

300 Local January 12, 2017 at 6:13 PM

Our tax dollars at work:

Paid staffers were on hand to cheer for Trump at his press conference

Members of President-elect Donald Trump’s staff were on hand to cheer for him at his press conference Tuesday morning

Trump reportedly employed actors to cheer for him when he announced his presidential bid at Trump Tower in 2015.

The president-elect will be inaugurated on January 20. In the lead-up to that event, Trump has been wrangling with a slew of controversies that include potential conflicts of interest involving his businesses, claims that Russian officials acquired damaging information about him, and the fallout of an investigation into Russia’s election-related cyberattacks that allegedly aimed to tip the presidential race in his favor.

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