Claycord – Talk About Politics

January 6, 2017 19:10 pm · 348 comments


This post is “Talk About Politics”.

Please use this post to talk about politics, and keep politics out of the “whatever” thread.

Thank you, and be kind to each other.

101 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 8, 2017 at 11:38 AM


True to form, you post expecting others to do your research and thinking for you. I’ll give this more attention than it deserves with one sentence responses:

1. Never said I spoke for all.
2. Do YOU feel warm and fuzzy towards your bank?
3. Democratic operatives sending paid agitators to disrupt speeches.
4. Don’t have to go beyond this forum to see accusations that republicans are racist or Nazi.

Anyway, you’ve got until Monday to come up with your pithy non-responsive items cause I have a project to work on.

102 TIFOKCIS January 8, 2017 at 12:05 PM

How many of the top 100 most deadly cities in America are Democrat run and controlled?

Come on, lets hear some FACTS.

103 AlwaysBePositive January 8, 2017 at 12:26 PM

Our President-elect is a liar.

Always has been, probably always will be. I’m not going to talk about campaign promises, because all politicians lie. I want to talk about lies-factual misstatements that are not corrected (a corrected misstatement would be a mistake-something everyone does).

On 11.11.15 the P-e said…
“Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering. So something’s going on. We’ve got to find out what it is.”

That is a lie. Why did he lie, and why hasn’t he admitted that he lied?

104 TIFOKCIS January 8, 2017 at 12:30 PM


Democrats loot and destroy their own neighbor’s businesses and property when any violent, repeat offender felon commits suicide by cop.


Conservatives thank the police for making America safer by removing any violent, repeat offending felons from the streets.

105 Silva January 8, 2017 at 12:37 PM

Local, It’ll take a little bit before lots of people notice what’s happening around them personally.

106 Silva January 8, 2017 at 12:38 PM

@ #100, I meant.

107 furian January 8, 2017 at 12:59 PM

Did Trump lie when he said the economy does better under Democrats?

Answer wingies or you’re a coward!!!


It’s fun posting like a wingtart.


108 TIFOKCIS January 8, 2017 at 1:20 PM


Recently an article hit the internet proclaiming the life span of some Americans to be growing shorter.

Eight years of the Obama/Pelosi/Reid cocktail coupled with a Ryan/McConnell chaser can do that to a person.

Of course it is easy to take shots at evil and cowardice.

What isn’t easy is its removal.

It should be.

It really should be.

I’m having a Sally Field flashback.

Sadly the aforementioned names have more in common with the DNA of a cockroach than a human attempting to Be.

Why is this?

The need to belong is only surpassed in importance to survival by water, food, shelter, and security. (Abraham Maslow)

In that order.

With those needs met the human animal will seek somewhere to belong. When an appropriate atmosphere isn’t found an inappropriate one will be chosen. Some will point to young kids joining gangs. Although possible the more likely need being met by these kids is their need to be secure or even food and shelter.

A better example are the supporters of Bernie Sanders, La Raza, Black Lives Matter, etc.

The individuals making up these groups are devolving rapidly in regards to the Homo Sapien species.

That seems to be a harsh statement Jason.

It isn’t harsh at all. It is true and one of the reasons Americans aren’t living as long anymore.

When one stops requiring facts everything after that is a mess someone else will have to endure and probably clean up.

Then again if the pace isn’t quickened in parts of Detroit, Mother Nature will shoulder the burden, as I have personally witnessed.

Any house built on a weak foundation, or no foundation at all, will always crumble, usually wreaking havoc on other individuals who are in its proximity.

BLM members make statements like hands up don’t shoot (a lie) or facts don’t matter when it comes to race.

To critically thinking evolving humans, facts are the only thing that matters, regardless of the subject.

La Raza followers scream about “racism” and bigotry while calling themselves “The Race” in Spanish.

These are the kinds of minds that would load six bullets into a six shooter and then play “Russian Roulette”.

“Some Americans aren’t living as long.”

No kidding?

Forty years of obesity, drug and alcohol abuse, crushing debt, sexual promiscuity, and the rise of government programs will shorten the span of life?


Yes really.

Of course millions seem to not grasp proper nutrition, sleep, work, exercise, a sober mind and individual responsibility are the catalysts to evolution and longer life.

How do we know this?

Bernie Sanders still has followers, Bill and Hillary Clinton still have freedom, and Keith Ellison wants to run the Democratic Party.

An atheist who believes women fantasize about being raped simultaneously by three men endorsed a criminal whose husband has actually raped women. This trio is being joined by a man who called for black humans to have their own land where peaceful whites would be allowed. Aside from the peaceful whites there is a place like this.

It’s called Liberia although I’m not sure if they would welcome a Sunni Muslim with OPEN arms due to an issue called slavery.

These four aren’t the problem.

They are symptoms.

The problem lies in the lack of common sense, courage, and compassion found in their followers and their unwillingness to search out and find appropriate situations in which to belong.

Getting high, sleeping around, and wishing they’d had an abortion isn’t going to do it.

Socrates was right.

Democracy does lead to Tyranny.

I guess the good news for Conservatives: Democrats won’t be living as long.

109 AnonUnReformed January 8, 2017 at 2:21 PM


Last November, the American electorate stunned the press and coastal elites when we chose Donald Trump as our 45th president. While half the country celebrated the conservative sweep of the federal government—and Trump signaled his desire to represent people of all political stripes to truly make America stronger—citizens in some areas of our nation actually became more vulnerable.
California voters unwittingly tied the hands of law enforcement officials and judges with Prop 57, while simultaneously shackling the right to armed self-defense with Prop 63.

In particular, Californians face a bleaker and more dangerous future with the passage of ill-advised state ballot initiatives—two of which will likely work in tandem to increase crime rates and endanger law-abiding citizens, according to law enforcement officials.

The first—Proposition 57, authored by Gov. Jerry Brown—seems at first blush to reveal a seemingly logical, practical and even kind-hearted change intended to slow the ballooning prison population of “non-violent” offenders by reducing their sentences for good behavior. According to the voter guide, the initiative was endorsed by “California public safety leaders and victims of crime.” The language is nebulous, to be sure, but is worded so as to inspire a typical voter to simply trust those presumably authoritative “leaders” or heart-wrenching “victims” and vote “Yes.”

But Prop 57’s most problematic component—the one that has inspired so much ire, even from some who voted for it—is the deceptive use of the legal categorizations of crime. Prop 57 does not change the legal definition of “violent crime.” It does, however, manipulate the voter based on its definitions of “violent” versus “serious,” or “non-violent,” crime.

110 AnonUnReformed January 8, 2017 at 2:22 PM


How many crazy killers who use a gun are Democrats?

111 PEGASUS January 8, 2017 at 2:59 PM

AnonUR 112,
Since so many are black or brown, I’ll go with MOST are Dems.

112 Randy January 8, 2017 at 3:08 PM


How many are crazy religious freaks that fly the confederate flag and are fron South Carolina?

113 Randy January 8, 2017 at 3:10 PM

Trump lies

America dies

114 Silva January 8, 2017 at 3:47 PM

“We seem to have lost contact with the Trump-Pence transition since the election.”

The office tasked with overseeing ethics and conflicts in the federal government struggled to gain access to leaders of the Trump transition team, and warned Trump aides about making decisions on nominees or blind trusts without ethics guidance, according to new emails obtained by MSNBC.

Office of Government Ethics Director Walter Shaub emailed Trump aides in November to lament that despite his office’s repeated outreach, “we seem to have lost contact with the Trump-Pence transition since the election.”

Trump aides may also be risking “embarrassment for the President-elect,” Shaub warned, by “announcing cabinet picks” without letting the ethics office review their financial information in advance.

The perils for White House staff were even more severe, Shaub argued, because they might begin their jobs without crucial ethics guidance, raising a risk of inadvertently breaking federal rules.

“They run the risk of having inadvertently violated the criminal conflicts of interest restriction at 18 USC 208,” Shaub wrote, citing a federal conflicts law in an email to Trump Transition aide Sean Doocey.

“If we don’t get involved early to prevent problems,” he added, “we won’t be able to help them after the fact.”

Shaub also warned that if Trump tried to create his own “blind trust” without the ethics office, the effort could be dead on arrival.

The government might decide potential trustees were not independent, he cautioned, if Trump aides talked to them “before consulting” with the ethics office. In contrast to most proposals floated by the Trump transition team, Shraub added that the ethics office only considers a trust blind if its underlying assets have “been sold off.” In his public remarks, Trump has mostly focused on who would manage the Trump Organization. He has not suggested he would divest, or sell off its assets.

The emails were obtained through a Freedom of Information Request from MSNBC and The James Madison Project, and represented by the law office of Mark S. Zaid.

Richard Painter, former ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush, says the email exchanges suggest the ethics office is “trying to touch base so they can take these issues seriously,” while the Trump transition team evinces less “desire to sit down and work through the issues.”

Norm Eisen, a former ethics lawyer for President Obama, offered ethics advice to Trump aides before the election, and has criticized Trump’s approach to business conflicts since his victory. “My view is that Office of Government Ethics and Director Shaub have been strong and outspoken in advocating ethics to the new administration, and this confirms it,” Eisen said. The ethics office provided hundreds of pages of material, including correspondence with and about the Trump transition team. Much of the material reflects routine transition preparation, including ethics guidance, trainings and tutorials on how to file financial disclosures required by federal law.

The correspondence shows Trump transition officials provided financial information and email responses to the ethics office, reflecting a cooperative approach on many issues, while ethics office staff also sought more detailed and frequent interaction.

After some lapses in responses, there are government emails asking Trump officials if they “are still with the transition team,” and a reference to the struggle to “pin” down Trump lawyer Don McGahn for a call. In one email, a Trump official acknowledges the “difficulty in getting touch with counsel’s office,” an apparent reference to reaching McGahn, who Trump has since appointed as his White House counsel.

While the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request sought materials about Trump’s potential divestment from his company, that topic rarely arose in the materials, which included some redacted email.
Bradley Moss, a federal employment lawyer who oversaw the FOIA request, said that absence was concerning.

“Conspicuously absent is any evidence of the preparations allegedly being undertaken by President-Elect Trump to resolve potential conflicts of interest through some manner of divestment,” Moss said.
“If the President-Elect’s lawyers and compliance officers are not coordinating with OGE, who, if anyone, within the government are they coordinating on these matters?” he asked.

It is also possible that other correspondence on conflicts between Trump officials and the ethics office exists, but was withheld as privileged under federal law.

Trump announced and rescheduled a press conference to unveil more detailed plans for his business, now slated for next week.

While the email correspondence mostly shows behind-the-scenes preparations for a new administration, the apparent frustration of the ethics office with Trump spilled into public view in late November. That is when the normally staid office posted several dramatic tweets about Trump’s business plans, citing its past advice for Trump to divest. The tone was so unusual, some asked whether the office’s account had been hacked — including a government relations staffer for Twitter, who contacted the office.

The newly released emails add more context, showing those tweets came after Director Walter Shaub’s concerned and frustrated emails to Trump aides. As another batch of emails obtained by NPR showed, it was Shaub who personally ordered the tweet-storm, telling an aide, “post them all at once.” CNBC

115 Randy January 8, 2017 at 4:27 PM

Won’t be watching the egonaugeration. Got to reorganize my junk drawer.

116 TIFOKCIS January 8, 2017 at 4:28 PM

Never would have happened under The Pimp Of The United States

Donald J. Trump Making America Great Again!

117 TIFOKCIS January 8, 2017 at 4:48 PM

Manufacturing coming back. I might have to get a job.

I should have voted DemoncRAT.



118 Randy January 8, 2017 at 4:58 PM


Oh I get. NPR = hippie. Very clever.

119 JWB January 8, 2017 at 4:58 PM

@ Tiffany #118

This is from your link:

“The announcement, in what the company said was the second phase of a plan it first made public a year ago, came days after Ford Motor Company decided to scrap a plan to build a facility in Mexico, instead opting to invest in a plant in Michigan.”

Kind of embarrassing deawing conclusions from headlines without reading the article……

120 Randy January 8, 2017 at 5:03 PM

“While everyone was freaking out over the Ethics thing, the Repubs were busy moving the budget for Medicare and Medicaid off the mandatory part of the budget and put it on discretionary spending. Now Medicare and Medicaid will have to compete with Defense spending in the budget.”…/on-january-3d-the…/…”

121 Randy January 8, 2017 at 5:05 PM

When Lindsey Graham has become the voice of logic and reason in your party, it’s time to go home.

122 GRX January 8, 2017 at 5:10 PM

Trump hasn’t taken the oath of office yet but the libtards’ heads are already exploding.

Russia’s alleged hacking didn’t factor into the vote count. Hilliary won the popular vote, right?

The presidency isn’t a popularity poll.

123 Phil January 8, 2017 at 5:20 PM

@115…. and then there’s Hillary and Benghazi.

That’s a FACT!

124 Local January 8, 2017 at 6:25 PM


Speaking of Benghazi, remember when Congress spent more time investigating Benghazi than 9/11?

Hey, remember when there were 20 attacks on our embassies and 63 American deaths during the Bush administration?

Hey, remember when Representative Kevin McCarthy let slip that the entire purpose of the Benghazi investigation was to hurt Secretary Clinton’s poll numbers?

“Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she’s untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought.”

You guys remember when Representative Richard Hanna explained that the whole point of the Benghazi hearings was to target Clinton?

“Sometimes the biggest sin you can commit in D.C. is to tell the truth. This may not be politically correct, but I think that there was a big part of this investigation that was designed to go after people and an individual, Hillary Clinton, after what Kevin McCarthy said, it’s difficult to accept at least a part of it was not.”

Do you remember when Representative Darrell Issa praised the Benghazi investigation for making Clinton an unpalatable Presidential candidate?

“You know, people often ask Trey Gowdy and myself, what did our investigations do? Well what they did is that they opened up an opportunity for the American people to sort of smell what’s in the garbage can, and I think that’s the reason that a devout socialist who wants to nationalize almost everything in America is close to and probably will beat Hillary here in New Hampshire. It’s not because they like Republicans. It’s because they don’t trust Hillary.”

Do you remember when those same GOP representatives voted to cut $1.2billion in funding for embassy security just before the Benghazi attacks, despite Secretary Clinton’s protests that the cuts would put lives at risk?

Do you remember when the entire point of the Benghazi investigation was to weaken Secretary Clinton in the lead up to her assumed 2016 Presidential campaign, and how house Republicans wasted millions of dollars and abused an entire governmental apparatus as a glorified two year long attack ad? I am sure that Amabassador Christopher Stevens and his family are deeply appreciative of his post-mortum staring role in the story that got President Trump elected.


You guys don’t remember that?



Well, uhm….

At least you remember the emails.

Oops, wrong emails.

And now the Congressional Republicans hold embassy security funding hostage over Israel’s embassy

125 Jojo Potato January 8, 2017 at 6:38 PM

Go ahead and cancel Social Security, but please return to me all the money that I had put into the system. Thanks.

126 Jojo Potato January 8, 2017 at 6:40 PM

With interest, of course.

127 Randy January 8, 2017 at 7:57 PM

@120 Jojo

I’m sure if you tweet the cheeto he will write you a check.

128 GRX January 8, 2017 at 8:19 PM

Fiat Chrysler just announced improvements to their Warren, MI plant instead of moving production to Mexico…

2000 more jobs. 2000 more Americans with gainful employment instead of Obama jobs.

Trum & Pence showing the way forward to a more proserous economy where we all Americans benefit.

129 GRX January 8, 2017 at 8:20 PM


130 Westal January 8, 2017 at 10:21 PM


131 PEGASUS January 8, 2017 at 10:25 PM

Thirty percent of prisoners that Obama released from Guantanamo have returned to committing terrorist acts.

132 PEGASUS January 8, 2017 at 10:29 PM

GTX 130,

133 Westal January 8, 2017 at 10:34 PM

@Silva 116

You might try citing your source. Otherwise,
it is just plagerism.

134 Westal January 8, 2017 at 10:40 PM

@Local 98

“President Obama’s Approval Rating Is the Highest in Years”
Yes, we are all in approval that he is leaving office and we’re
glad to see him go. We approve that this eight-year nightmare
is almost over.

135 Local January 8, 2017 at 11:35 PM

Sep. 17, 2015
Fiat Chrysler to invest $5.3 billion in U.S. plants

Jan. 26, 2016
Major changes expected for Fiat Chrysler’s 5-year plan

Future plans for the Warren Truck Assembly Plant (Mich.), which currently builds the Ram 1500, will be announced at a later date. This production action is subject to the formal approval of incentives by state and local entities.

Thanks Obama.

136 Silva January 8, 2017 at 11:46 PM

Westal 138, My source was CNBC. Like the last four characters in my post.

137 JWB January 9, 2017 at 6:30 AM

Hello Fred P #134

Here is you answer:

138 Aspirin January 9, 2017 at 7:45 AM

Kurt Eichenwald, the Newsweek reporter, in Raw Story lists 130 Trump lies and failures committed during his career and campaign.

It is an important character study of Trump who was elected after a campaign of serial lies and deceptions.

It is frightening to realize the number of Americans who are too stupid to realize when they are being scammed.

139 Aspirin January 9, 2017 at 7:53 AM

The Democrats had better learn to fight down and dirty to better the Republicans in this arena.

The GOP cannot win on the issues, so it wins by using scare tactics, character assassination, blatant lies, and will spend millions on useless hearings for the sole purpose of creating propaganda for the next election.

Democrats have lost in this area. I guess trying to actually govern for the benefit of the people is not enough.

The voters seem to want a mud fight.

140 Aspirin January 9, 2017 at 8:01 AM

The long-awaited Putin/Trump press conference will (probably) actually happen. It should be fun to watch to see if the press throws hardballs, or merely softballs.

Putin won’t attend, of course, but Trump can answer for him. Questions about Russian interference in the Election will of course be brushed aside as mere rumor.

Perhaps a very brave reporter might ask Trump why he has not let us see his tax returns. Tax audits do not prevent one from doing this, as Trump has claimed.

I hope the press holds Donald’s feet to the fire. It is time to see what he is made of.

141 TIFOKCIS January 9, 2017 at 9:06 AM

Trump’s tax returns are kept in the same locker with Obama’s Harvard records.

142 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 9, 2017 at 10:07 AM


Yet another list of Trump “lies.” When I have time I like to look at things like this for fun. This 130 is rather strange. It is referenced in a lot of left wing sites, but it all comes back to the original writer, Eichenwald. He is the source and he even self-references himself. So, start at #1 of the 130, something about Trump testifying in Congress and saying he never met Indian gaming execs for one project. But if you try to verify that claim, there are no sources that don’t lead right back to that reporter, Eichenwald. There are sites that mention it, but they just refer back to Eichenwald.

Anyway, there is no defensible source for even #1 on the list that I can find, so I stopped there. You would think that such a list would start with its best stuff. I did find a couple of stories, not mentioning lies, but about Trump’s Congress testimony. In that, I wonder if this reporter was taking something Trump said out of context because Trump claimed that a casino was attempting to qualify for tax exempt status even though there were no identifiably US Indian participants. Was he just saying that there were no “Indian” representatives and that this was just a tax scam? Anyway, if this was a real list, then the reader would not have to himself chase down facts and guess at assumptions. So, this fails the “fact check” test.

So, if Aspirin would kindly back up even #1 in the list with something that does not refer to Eichenwald, I’d like to read it. Otherwise, I’m not sure why you use that list you can’t reference or defend. And if you do come up with something, don’t blame me for not finding a real source because I did look.

143 AlwaysBePositive January 9, 2017 at 10:08 AM

Our President-elect is a liar.

Always has been, probably always will be. I’m not going to talk about campaign promises, because all politicians lie. I want to talk about lies-factual misstatements that are not corrected (a corrected misstatement would be a mistake-something everyone does).

On 11.11.15 the P-e said…
“Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering. So something’s going on. We’ve got to find out what it is.”

That is a lie. Why did he lie, and why hasn’t he admitted that he lied?

144 Randy January 9, 2017 at 10:12 AM

GOP no transparency.

In one of the inaugural moves of the just-assembled new Congress, House Republicans have reportedly voted to forbid the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) from calculating the addition to the deficit that will be prompted should ObamaCare be repealed.

Minnesota’s U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison – who is currently in the running to become the next DNC Chairperson – wrote on Twitter early Thursday morning:

‘House GOP rules package bars CBO from counting spikes in deficit spending spurred by an ACA repeal.’

145 PEGASUS January 9, 2017 at 10:38 AM

ABP 145
He watched in (FROM) Jersey City, New Jersey where thousands…..Etc.?

Thousands worldwide?
Didn’t you see the televised celebrations in the Arab world? Looked like thousands to me.

Have you ever overemphasized anything to stress a point? Does that make you a liar?

146 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 9, 2017 at 10:59 AM


Already asked and answered. Because they collect more taxes than needed for the ACA, it appears in accounting terms to “reduce” the deficit, even though in reality repeal should save around $100 billion dollars or so to US taxpayers (depending on who is calculating the numbers) .

147 Silva January 9, 2017 at 11:14 AM

Did anyone miss this bit of news?

“U.S. tanks roll into Germany to protect against potential Russian invasion”

148 Randy January 9, 2017 at 12:11 PM


Then why are the republicans afraid to let the CBO from reporting that tid bit of information.

I would think they would want the CBO to report it if it would indeed save American taxpayers that much.

There must be more to it thus no transparency What are they hiding or don’t want the public to know.

149 Dr. Jellyfinger January 9, 2017 at 12:19 PM

@ Silva 148 ~ It’s called a military exercise…. don’t panic…. no reason to reinstate the draft or flee to the bomb shelter.

That headline is BS (as if Russia is about to invade).

“Over the next week all the equipment will leave Germany and be sent to Poland, and from there, be deployed across Eastern Europe”.

150 AlwaysBePositive January 9, 2017 at 12:22 PM

@#146 p
That is not what the quote says…it says that he watched the people dancing in Jersey City, New Jersey. Yes I’ve exaggerated, but when asked I’ve responded with actual facts. When he was asked, he stuck to the lie.

@#147 fsm
Wrong. Doesn’t the phrase “depending on who is calculating the numbers” give you pause?

Our President-elect is a liar.

Always has been, probably always will be. I’m not going to talk about campaign promises, because all politicians lie. I want to talk about lies-factual misstatements that are not corrected (a corrected misstatement would be a mistake-something everyone does).

On 12.12.1 the P-e said…
“We had a massive landslide victory, as you know, in the Electoral College.”

That is a lie. Why does he lie, and why hasn’t he admitted that he lied?

151 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 9, 2017 at 12:59 PM


I assume after all of the manipulations in the liberal press desperately trying to make Republicans look bad no matter what, they were just trying to head off a liberal press headline stating, “Repeal of ObamaCare Increases the Deficit.” Why are you raising this issue??? You know for a fact that this government program costs taxpayers money, and that repealing it on net will save tax dollars. And what on earth are you talking about with the lack of transparency when your information is from national news sources.

152 Westal January 9, 2017 at 1:04 PM

@ Silva 137

In that case, your quotation marks are improperly used, and
my comment was #136, not #138.

153 Westal January 9, 2017 at 1:06 PM

@Always Be Positive #151

Nuance this.

154 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 9, 2017 at 1:09 PM


What you say makes no sense. This does not even have anything to do with Democrat vs. Republican. The CBO and other budget entities come up with different numbers depending on assumptions and how it is stated. An example of the later of how it is stated is that the $100 billion is per year, while other reports would list savings over 5 or 10 years as is more common with budget reports.

You are really flailing around trying to find things to complain about. How about some real issues? How does it feel to be treated like sheep by the Democratic Party with Debbie Wasserman and Donna Brazile deciding who was at the top of your ticket? Baaaaaah.

155 Silva January 9, 2017 at 1:12 PM

Dr. Jellyfinger, Okay, thanks!

156 Local January 9, 2017 at 1:19 PM

Need proof Don’s a con? Read these links and pull up the related video of the man himself from the Trump Archive, which collects TV news shows containing debates, speeches, rallies, and other broadcasts related to President-elect Donald Trump, linked at the bottom.

Trump has record of flip-flops

Five times Donald Trump changed his position on a really big issue

15 Trump Flip-Flops in 15 Days

On the Russia scandal, Trump’s lies start to pile up

Trump has to rescue Obamacare or admit he’s a liar

All 64 Mostly False statements by Donald Trump

All 114 False statements by Donald Trump

All 62 Pants on Fire! statements by Donald Trump

The Trump Archive is collecting everything he’s said on video

Trump Archive

157 PEGASUS January 9, 2017 at 1:33 PM

ABP 151,
Maybe, like Clinton, Trump “mis-remembered”.
Did you take exception when she lied about ducking under live fire?
I’d hate to think you’re just one more partisan JACKASS.

158 Local January 9, 2017 at 1:33 PM

You can download this pdf straight from the source to see for yourself:

But in summation:

House GOP appallingly votes to conceal cost of Obamacare repeal to taxpayers

On page 25 of the final rules package Republicans adopted this year, a subsection instructs the director of the Congressional Budget Office to perform a 10-year cost analysis of each bill reported by the House:

(1) CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE ANALYSIS OF PROPOSALS.—The Director of the Congressional Budget Office shall, to the extent practicable, prepare an estimate of whether a bill or joint resolution reported by a committee (other than the Committee on Appropriations), or amendment thereto or conference report thereon, would cause, relative to current law, a net increase in direct spending in excess of $5,000,000,000 in any of the 4 consecutive 10 fiscal year periods beginning with the first fiscal year that is 10 fiscal years after the current fiscal year.

But on the next page:

(4) LIMITATION.—This subsection shall not apply to any bill or joint resolution, or amendment thereto or conference report thereon—

(A) repealing the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and title I and subtitle B of title II of the Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010;

(B) reforming the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act of 2010; or

(C) for which the chair of the Committee on the Budget has made an adjustment to the allocations, levels, or limits contained in the most recently adopted concurrent resolution on the budget.

In other words, the new Republican rules package specifically instructs the CBO not to say how much it would cost to repeal Obamacare.

Republicans Vote To Hide Costs Of Repealing Obamacare In Budget

GOP trying to hide costs of Obamacare repeal

159 Silva January 9, 2017 at 1:56 PM

Westal #153 (at this moment in time)

re; “In that case, your quotation marks are improperly used, and my comment was #136, not #138.”.

There were a couple of posts deleted by the editors, so the numbers are different now than they were at the time of my post, For instance, your own post addressing me at #134, you address me as “@Silva 116, though at this time, my post is now #15. I know these things can be troublesome sometimes. I’ll try really hard to do my part here.

There isn’t much point in attempting my punctuation. Sorry ma’am, there’s really nothing I can do about it, but I don’t let it slow me down. Thanks for caring though. Like I said, I know how troublesome these things can be, they can really set one’s wheels a spinning, right? My sincere apologies for my punctuation difficulties, and the numbers of the posts.

160 Silva January 9, 2017 at 1:59 PM

Oops! In “’@Silva 116, though at this time, my post is now #15.’..” it should have been “115” of course! :)

161 PEGASUS January 9, 2017 at 2:01 PM

Have you considered waiting until Trump is president before losing your mind over alleged claims?
Have you no control over your hateful feelings? I’ve always believed a well balanced person chooses his battles wisely.

162 AlwaysBePositive January 9, 2017 at 2:32 PM

@#155 fsm
Not sure what you don’t understand so I went back to reread the numbers. You are right, it will cost tons of money in terms of increased deficit (which is a bad thing). The ACA has bent the health care cost curve in the right direction. Repealing it will cause the deficit to balloon. Thanks for giving us another reason to be against the repeal of the ACA.

Our President-elect is a liar.

Always has been, probably always will be. I’m not going to talk about campaign promises, because all politicians lie. I want to talk about lies-factual misstatements that are not corrected (a corrected misstatement would be a mistake-something everyone does).

On 8.8.16 the P-e said…
“They said my wife, Melania, might have come in illegally. Can you believe that one?”… “Let me tell you one thing. She has got it so documented, so she’s going to have a little news conference over the next couple of weeks. That’s good. I love it. I love it.”

That is a lie. Why does he lie, and why hasn’t he admitted that he lied?

163 AlwaysBePositive January 9, 2017 at 2:50 PM

@#162 p
Actual things that happen are facts, not alleged claims.

What hateful feelings? I’m giving the p-e the same support as Senate Majority leader McConnell (R) gave President Obama when he described his duties this way…”The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” The first major political action of the Tea Party was on 4.15.09, less than 3 months after President Obama’s inauguration. I’m not waiting. There will be political actions across the country on January 16th, and in addition to the Women’s March on Washington on 1.21, there is a Women’s March in Walnut Creek at Civic Park beginning at 12 noon. There will be shuttle buses to take people to BART so they can join the SF demonstration that begins at 4pm.

US Constitution Article 1, Section 9 Clause 8

164 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 9, 2017 at 4:42 PM


According to the SF Chronicle a few days ago, there will be around 22 different events in the Bay Area protesting the inauguration. However, unlike how the national Democratic party paid thugs to go to Trump events to disrupt with yelling and fighting, Republicans are looking forward to your being able to exercise your freedom of speech without interference. Republicans won’t like the events, and will likely complain about it, but their national party will not send paid thugs. You should be so proud.

165 Local January 9, 2017 at 5:16 PM

Counter-Sting Catches James O’Keefe Network Attempting To Sow Chaos At Trump’s Inauguration

The counter-sting managed to surreptitiously record elements of O’Keefe’s network offering huge sums of money to progressive activists if they would disrupt the ceremony and “put a stop to the inauguration” and the related proceedings to such a degree that donors to the clandestine effort would “turn on a TV and maybe not even see Trump.” To have riots blot out coverage of Trump, the donor offered “unlimited resources,” including to shut down bridges into D.C.

166 Local January 9, 2017 at 5:18 PM

PEGASUS – “Trump ‘mis-remembered'”

At 70yrs old, as the oldest person ever to be elected president, there’s little doubt he misremembers some stuff. But considering the multitude of flip-flops and misinformation in such short timespans, there’s also little doubt he has lied to us. Heck, he lied to us mere hours after Fridays security briefing:

Trump lies about intelligence report on Russia easily spotted

Because Americans can read the declassified version of the intelligence report on Russia, we can see that Donald Trump is lying about what the report says about the effect on the election and the hacking of Republican targets.

Or did he misremembered that in one afternoon?

167 Silva January 9, 2017 at 5:55 PM

The federal week in review:

1. Trump fires all Ambassadors and Special Envoys, ordering them out by inauguration day.

2. House brings back the Holman rule allowing them to reduce an individual civil service, SES positions, or political appointee’s salary to $1, effectively firing them by amendment to any piece of legislation. We now know why they wanted names and positions of people in Energy and State.

3. Senate schedules 6 simultaneous hearings on cabinet nominees and triple-books those hearings with Trump’s first press conference in months and an ACA budget vote, effectively preventing any concentrated coverage or protest.

4. House GOP expressly forbids the Congressional Budget Office from reporting or tracking ANY costs related to the repeal of the ACA.

5. Trump continues to throw the intelligence community under the bus to protect Putin, despite the growing mountain of evidence that the Russians deliberately interfered in our election.

6. Trump breaks a central campaign promise to make Mexico pay for the wall by asking Congress (in other words, us, the taxpayers) to pay for it.

7. Trump threatens Toyota over a new plant that was never coming to the US nor will take jobs out of the US.

8. House passes the REINS act, giving them veto power over any rules enacted by any federal agency or department–for example, FDA or EPA bans a drug or pesticide, Congress can overrule based on lobbyists not science. Don’t like that endangered species designation, Congress kills it.
We – progressive, liberal, libertarian and conservative – need to all wake up to what is actually happening to our beloved country.

168 TIFOKCIS January 9, 2017 at 6:09 PM


169 Local January 9, 2017 at 6:54 PM

Elite U.S. troops swoop into ISIS stronghold, reportedly kill dozens

A U.S.-led special forces raid on Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) militants in eastern Syria has reportedly left two dozen of the jihadist fighters dead.

four helicopters landed in the desert between the ISIS-held cities of Deir el-Zour and Raqqa on Sunday. Commandos set up checkpoints and intercepted a vehicle carrying several ISIS militants, killing all of them and flying off with the bodies, he said.

Thanks Obama.

170 Local January 9, 2017 at 7:11 PM

While Obama’s killing ISIS and keeping us safe, Donald writes multiple series of tweets about Meryl Streep and lies about Fiat:

Meryl Streep called out Trump’s bullying and lies. Trump just hit back — with still more lies.

At the Golden Globes ceremony Sunday night, actress Meryl Streep tore into Trump, depicting him as a bully who takes borderline sociopathic pleasure in abusing and belittling others.
On Monday morning, Trump responded with a series of tweets

Donald Trump had nothing to do with our new US jobs, Fiat Chrysler reveals

Fiat Chrysler has said thousands of news jobs it announced in the US is not related to Donald Trump – despite a series of tweets in which the President-elect appears to take credit – and that the firm’s chief executive had not even spoken to him.


171 GRX January 9, 2017 at 7:23 PM

11 days to go until the 98-pound weakling is no longer POTUS.

The Trump administration will awaken this tepid economy and nullify Obama’s job-killing and draconian executive orders.

Like Obama said, Trump is pragmatic (and results oriented) and not an ideologue (like himself).

Americans have expressed their displeasure by electing Mr. Trump that ramming liberal and socialist ideology down the throats of Americans will not be tolerated.

Make America Great Again. Thank you.

172 Local January 9, 2017 at 8:10 PM

Obamacare Repeal Might Have Just Died Tonight

Something big is happening in the Senate right now: The Republican plan, affirmed again today by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, is facing dire peril from Republican defections.

“You would think after six years we would have a pretty good sense of what we would like to do,” explains Corker.

173 Randy January 9, 2017 at 9:23 PM


We’re finding out republicans are cowards and liars

174 GRX January 9, 2017 at 10:16 PM

There goes Local again parroting a slanted liberal rag.


175 OHMy January 9, 2017 at 10:21 PM

Another reason businesses are leaving CA.

“California’s UI Fund has been insolvent since January 2009. To continue uninterrupted UI benefit payments to claimants, the state borrowed $10 billion from the federal government. Under federal law, when a state defaults on a loan from the federal UI account for two consecutive years, employers must begin the repayment process.”

January 9, 2017

Why are democrat members of the state legislature and the governor SILENT on this financial catastrophe?

176 Dr. Jellyfinger January 9, 2017 at 10:24 PM

Get off the computer and go to bed Randall,,,, it’s a school night!

177 Westal January 9, 2017 at 11:05 PM

The libtards are prolific here. Maybe that is why they get nothing done in real life.

178 AlwaysBePositive January 9, 2017 at 11:08 PM

@#165 fsm

Clinton paid thugs to djt events? Still? Fake news…think critically

Our President-elect is a liar.

Always has been, probably always will be. I’m not going to talk about campaign promises, because all politicians lie. I want to talk about lies-factual misstatements that are not corrected (a corrected misstatement would be a mistake-something everyone does).

On 9.8.16 the P-e said…
“I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me”

That is a lie. Why does he lie, and why hasn’t he admitted that he lied?

179 AlwaysBePositive January 9, 2017 at 11:12 PM

If there is anyone out there that still believes the P-e is for the common man, check out what he just did to Charles Brotman.

What a waste of space. Do you think his mother loved him?

180 Local January 9, 2017 at 11:55 PM


Your data is 5 years old, from under Republican Schwarzenegger. Here’s the updated pdf, which shows it dropping substantially year after year, now that we are under fiscally sensible democrats:

americanthinker dot com is listed as a fake news source:

My advice is to try using a source people have heard of. For example:

Forbes Best States For Business

If it were a country, California’s $2.46 trillion economy would be the sixth biggest in the world behind the United Kingdom. The state represents 14% of the U.S. economy. Home prices in the state are up more than 70% from the lows of 2011, but they still have not returned to the go-go years of 2006-07.

California’s outlook is bright with economic and job growth both expected to be strong over the next five years. Another plus is the $78 billion in venture capital money invested in California companies over the past three years, an amount which is more than five times the total of any other state.

181 Local January 10, 2017 at 12:22 AM


New York Magazine was founded in 1958 and is not fake news. However, I am more than willing to supply other sources for your reading pleasure. Here’s one from Bloomberg which was founded in 1981:

Breakaway Senate Republicans Push to Delay Obamacare Repeal

A breakaway group of five moderate Senate Republicans pushed Monday to delay a bill repealing Obamacare

The step is the latest sign of some Republicans’ growing uneasiness about their leadership’s plan to repeal the law with no consensus on a replacement

182 TIFOKCIS January 10, 2017 at 6:52 AM

“Updated PDF’s” prove NOTHING!

The National Inquirer was founded in 1926. by Local’s Logic the National Inquirer is ‘more true” based in a longer history. New York magazine founded in 1958 BFD. You have NO PROOF.

Local proves NOTHING. Local contributes NOTHING to the Greater Good.

You and Atticus Thraxx share striking similarities, very entertaining is your useless information.

183 OHMy January 10, 2017 at 7:34 AM

From your Forbes article
Of the 50 states CA is
#30 Best States for Business
#43 in Business Costs
#45 in Regulatory Environment
#34 in Quality of Life

“Forbes Lists
#4 Best States for Business
#4 in Business Costs
#8 in Labor Supply
#25 in Regulatory Environment
#1 in Economic Climate
#8 in Growth Prospects
#32 in Quality of Life”

Californians comprise largest number of people moving to Texas

184 OHMy January 10, 2017 at 7:40 AM

“President-elect Donald Trump’s policies have the potential to trigger a new age in U.S. economic growth that could serve as a global template, according to a Deutsche Bank forecast.”

Finally after 8 very long years, “Hope n Change”

185 Aspirin January 10, 2017 at 7:51 AM

While GOP fools are tripping over themselves trying to destroy the ACA we should be aware of the following:

-WHO ranks the USA 37th in world for healthcare.
-Forbes reports that we are last compared to 10 other wealthy countries.
-NUMBEO ranks the USA 35th in world healthcare.
-TIME reports we are the worst of 11 wealthy countries.
-Bloomberg reports that we are “one of the least efficient” countries in healthcare.

Why can’t we get it right? Well, look at what the idiots in Congress are trying to do now. They want to dismantle the ACA in spite of the fact that they do not have a viable replacement plan.

So, hang on to your wallets. The GOP will take us back to the days of medical-caused bankruptcies and higher death and sickness rates not to mention higher insurance premiums and rising medical costs overall.

186 Aspirin January 10, 2017 at 7:56 AM

Obama’s performance record is impressive. The facts don’t lie. Obama haters do lie, as shown in posts here.

History will be kind to Obama.

187 Aspirin January 10, 2017 at 8:05 AM

Some things require collective effort. Healthcare is one of those things, along with Social Security, Defense, Medicare, etc.

The health of the American people is not to be taken lightly. Poor health outcomes cost EVERYONE, not just the sick. Emergency room care should not be the first step in managing one’s health. It should be used as a last resort.

ERs are full of uninsured, very sick people who were forced to wait because they could not afford insurance or to pay out of pocket. The ACA has helped but it has not eliminated the problem.

The GOP Congress wants to make things worse. These fools cannot see past the self-interests that corrupt our government.

If the GOP takes away the ACA without providing a viable replacement we should give them a good spanking next election and send them off to enjoy their free, government provided healthcare for life.

188 Randy January 10, 2017 at 8:48 AM

@185 oh no

After r the confirmation that hedge funds have started to reduce their capital and trading with Deutsche Bank, the German bank’s position is now perilous.

It is correct to say that Deutsche Bank DB, -2.02% doesn’t have a liquidity crisis, and that even if it did, the Bundesbank could provide it with unlimited liquidity. But liquidity alone doesn’t guarantee a bank can continue to operate in the long run; solvency and profitability are essential as well. Deutsche Bank is, at best, borderline for both solvency and profitability with little prospect of either improving materially in the medium term.

189 OHMy January 10, 2017 at 8:49 AM

“Global auto executives at the Detroit auto show are highlighting their investments in the United States, mindful of President-elect Donald Trump’s attacks on automakers for building vehicles in Mexico.”

190 Local January 10, 2017 at 9:22 AM


There’s no such thing.

191 Local January 10, 2017 at 9:25 AM
192 AlwaysBePositive January 10, 2017 at 9:28 AM

Walnut Creek Women’s March
Saturday, January 21, 2017
Civic Park
11 a.m. rally
12 noon march.

Join thousands of Americans across the country to let the P-e know that he does not have a mandate to do whatever he wants. Stand together!

193 Westal January 10, 2017 at 9:35 AM

@Silva any#

If you are quoting someone else’s work
word-for-word, the entire work is to be
included in double quotes (“) from
beginning to end. Some protocols include
a double quote at the beginning of each
new paragraph. Within the body of those
double quotes, if an individual is quoted, that
quote appears in single quotes (‘). Both
types of quote are clearly attributed, i.e., the
source is stated whether an individual or an
organization so that the reader can locate it
and verify it. Otherwise, we can only assume
that you fabricated the whole thing.

194 Dr. Jellyfinger January 10, 2017 at 9:41 AM

“The GOP Congress wants to make things worse. These fools cannot see past the self-interests that corrupt our government”

That’s rich coming from a Hillary supporter.

195 Aspirin January 10, 2017 at 9:44 AM

The most powerful thing about digital media is that it allows so many channels of information to spring up that anyone can become a “news” publisher, and anyone to choose who they believe.
That allows us to find sources that feed our beliefs instead of challenging them, and it allows us to see only what we want to see, not what is actually there.

If this is the future of news media we will be losing the necessary value of a free press – responsibility.

Regardless of our political leaning we should all be critical of biased information. Future election outcomes based on false and misleading information freely flowing to the voters is a certain prescription for a sick democracy.

196 Dr. Jellyfinger January 10, 2017 at 10:01 AM

@ Loco ~ Why are you telling me about the soon to be squashed Obamacare stuff? What number posting are you replying to?
Either way I don’t really care…. it is history, just curious.

197 OHMy January 10, 2017 at 10:03 AM

Jul 25, 2016
“July has been rough for Obamacare’s non-profit co-op health plans. Four closed after running out of money — three in just one week. Just seven of the original 23 co-ops are still standing. Those seven all lost money last year — and may yet go out of business before the calendar turns to 2017.”

Major Health Insurer Bailing On Most Obamacare Exchanges

Colorado’s Obamacare exchange misspent $9.7 million in federal grants, audit alleges

OR republicans could do nothing and let obamacare die of it’s natural causes from defects democrats allowed when only they passed a deeply flawed bill which they never even bothered to read.

198 AlwaysBePositive January 10, 2017 at 10:07 AM

@#195 w
Your grammar expertise is apparent. How come you have never applied that effort to the reactionary (that’s farther right than conservative) posters that frequently post ‘quotes’?

Medicare for all!

199 FlyingSpaghettiMonster January 10, 2017 at 10:10 AM


If you put keywords like democrats, paid, Trump, rally into a google search, it will point to articles from the NY Times and Washington Post discussing how protestors were paid to disrupt. You have already read such stories and I have zero tolerance for pretend ignorance.

On Trump knowing more than the generals, your claim that he is a liar just does not hold up. I would absolutely look to the military for advice on how to win a tank battle. But dealing with ISIS is far more than a military issue. It is a political, economic, religious, sociological, cultural, and military issue. The generals were of zero value in addressing the San Bernardino terrorist shootings, and such problems needs a solution looking at how individuals are so easily influenced that they can kill based on reading some websites.

200 Local January 10, 2017 at 10:32 AM

@OHMy – “Another reason businesses are leaving CA.”

#4 in Growth Prospects
Gross State Product $2,459 B

Texas: #8 in Growth Prospects
Gross State Product $1,587 B

Why are Kansas and Texas doing so badly, and California so well?

Former San Antonio mayor Castro keynote speech: “This is what happens when a party doesn’t believe in government in the first place but has absolute power over its people for decades. You know, they used to brag that Texas was doing so much better than big bad liberal California. But Texas Republicans managed to bungle that too. Because today California is kicking our butt in job development and economic growth.”

Texas added an estimated 171,800 seasonally adjusted jobs, per the Texas Workforce Commission. California from April 2015 through April 2016 reportedly added 450,200 jobs

California has lately seen greater percentage increases in Gross Domestic Product (than Texas). Between the first quarter of 2014 and the last quarter of 2015

Texas Workforce Press Release
Texas Adds 171,800 Jobs Over the Past Year

California outpacing U.S. on job growth
The state continued to outpace the country in job growth, adding 450,200 jobs since April 2015.

California saw a 4.1 percent increase in GDP…Texas’ GDP had gone up 3.8 percent

From 2014 to 2015, per capita personal income in California grew by 5.3 percent

In the same year, per capita personal income in Texas grew 2.4 percent

Julián Castro says California besting Texas in creating jobs, economic growth
“Today,” the former San Antonio mayor told reporters June 17, 2016, “California is kicking our butt, creating more jobs and more economic growth than Texas. Maybe what we need to do is trade in Gov. Jerry Brown,” of California, “for Gov. Greg Abbott and get better results.”

As of May 2016, California had experienced greater percentage gains in employment than Texas for every 12-month period going back to 2011.

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