Man at Treat Blvd. & Oak Grove Rd. in Concord Protesting Against Circumcision

May 7, 2015 15:00 pm · 198 comments

circumcision

A man was on the corner of Treat Blvd. & Oak Grove Rd. in Concord this morning protesting against circumcision.

Many of you saw the protester, but were unable to see his signs.

One Claycordian saw both, and had this to say….

“Here’s a picture of a guy protesting circumcision on the corner of Oak Grove and Treat blvd. this morning. He’s by himself I might add. Shouldn’t he be in front of a hospital or his parents’ house? I saw this driving my daughter to school.”

He appears to be part of a group called the Blood Stained Men, who protest against circumcision.

idiot detector May 7, 2015 at 3:03 PM

Interesting…Wonder what the high school kids will think? School gets out soon.

Mama Cowell May 7, 2015 at 3:03 PM

Exactly my thoughts!! I had the pleasure of seeing this gentleman in the company of my son and daughter it made for an interesting conversation on the way to school

ME May 7, 2015 at 3:09 PM

I saw him as I drove through the intersection but didn’t have time to really see the sign. I do remember thinking that it looked disturbing though. Actually what I was looking at was the fact that he was taking a selfie just as my car seemed to be in frame. Hopefully he didn’t click it yet. As for the topic, I really have no op. on it.

Krogs May 7, 2015 at 3:09 PM

I saw this guy on my morning commute. He stepped off of the curb just as the light turned green and was waving his signs. Ummmm, it was a bit weird…….

Sigmund F. May 7, 2015 at 3:14 PM

After all this IS, Whack-e-fornia.

Incognito May 7, 2015 at 3:18 PM

Well, I guess, Mr. Mayor…. he answered your “Water Cooler” topic of discussion for today!

Julie May 7, 2015 at 3:19 PM

There’ss a group of those protestors. I uses to see them on Treat every once in awhile when I lived in Walnut Creek.

fact Luvin Pro Fi May 7, 2015 at 3:23 PM

Good For Him!! No different then those graphic pro-life pictures we are subjected to at times. I agree with him on the circumcision issue as well.

harmony May 7, 2015 at 3:24 PM

What a whack a loon

Silva May 7, 2015 at 3:24 PM

I can’t say that I blame him.

Atticus Thraxx May 7, 2015 at 3:29 PM

Of all the things to latch on to….doesn’t anyone work anymore? How much ya wanna bet he lives with Mom and Dad.

Fix Our Roads

BCG 1 May 7, 2015 at 3:31 PM

Too late to help me.

Jo Ann May 7, 2015 at 3:33 PM

Does he have a permit to do that & isn’t there a law that anything offensive near schools not be allowed. Someone need to see if he has a police recorded for odd behavior…..

kax May 7, 2015 at 3:35 PM

Well, at least he’s found something to do with his time….

FORMER CONCORD RESIDENT May 7, 2015 at 3:36 PM

WHAT A NUT JOB……LOL….

Terri May 7, 2015 at 3:38 PM

I saw him this morning, it was quite eye-catching. I thought the same, why is he there of all places? Pretty sure the corner I saw him at backs up to some dental offices.

StoneyGRL May 7, 2015 at 3:42 PM

Penis lives matter !!!

Anonymous May 7, 2015 at 3:44 PM

Mental case.

Free Sergio
Black Ice matters
Fix our Roads

CUT May 7, 2015 at 3:44 PM

I wish that I wasn’t cut, I didn’t have a say in the matter.

DD May 7, 2015 at 3:49 PM

Maybe he’s just working for tips.

2BITS May 7, 2015 at 3:51 PM

Well there is his answer to the question of the day!

Sick Of It May 7, 2015 at 3:52 PM

Priorities.

The Realist May 7, 2015 at 3:53 PM

WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT Incoming!!!
He’s not wrong BUT it is a bit out in deeeep left field.
It is indeed part of the agenda toward Emasculation of American males.

Uncle Bad Touch May 7, 2015 at 3:56 PM

I like the cut of his job.

Sick Of It May 7, 2015 at 3:57 PM

Back in my man-whore days not once did I hear “oh no, you’re circumcised”.

#20

He prefers The Ant Eater look.

Anon May 7, 2015 at 3:57 PM

I saw this guy at Ygnacio and Clayton Rd a couple of week ago. Nut bag.

ConcordMike May 7, 2015 at 4:01 PM

That’s what is great about this country, Freedom. Freedom to express one’s self and freedom to choose what your child’s future will be like. Sucks to be the child, but there are a lot of things parents decide for their kids medically speaking.

funny man May 7, 2015 at 4:01 PM

honestly lets look at the flip side, everyone agrees that femaile gential mutilation is evil, how in this day and age is male gential mutilation still acceptable?

Saint May 7, 2015 at 4:02 PM

DD #20, That should get you the comment of the week award. Outstanding.

Good Driver May 7, 2015 at 4:04 PM

Lol #13 I hope your portrayal of a paranoid freak is just an act

Really May 7, 2015 at 4:06 PM

Really does he need to do that by a school. Those poor children that have to be subjected to that. He should go to the corner of Oak Grove and Monument, better place for him, not on commute with kids. Sick!!!

anon May 7, 2015 at 4:08 PM

Hey ladies, he’s single…quite the catch

Brian Herrity May 7, 2015 at 4:08 PM

I was the man protesting this morning at Treat & Oak Grove. American doctors have chosen the path of silence on this matter, so it is up to activists to inform the public about the harms of genital mutilation (circumcision). Circumcision is an ancient superstition, and European doctors have condemned American physicians for circumcising baby boys. No wonder more and more American parents are rejecting this cruel ritual for their sons.

Foreskin for the win, circumcision for the loss…

Humanoid. May 7, 2015 at 4:16 PM

good for him! Maybe people should start taking note that it’s not okay to cut baby’s genitals!

The person worried about offensive things near schools. Really. The guy is sharing information. How is it ok to cut boys genitals, but not ok to let them know. Everyone should know the horrible truth of forced infant circumcision.

Mom of Boys May 7, 2015 at 4:17 PM

He’s just trying to get the word out that cutting off a useful part of your child’s body is wrong. Routine infant circumcision is crazy.

KAD May 7, 2015 at 4:18 PM

Those of you wishing you had not been cut you might be glad when you get older that this was done to you while you were a baby. My Dad had to have this done while he was in his 90s.

Mike May 7, 2015 at 4:19 PM

First amendment baby! Gotta love it. Let freedom ring!

Justin May 7, 2015 at 4:22 PM

Barbaric practice. Stupid protester.

Nobody wins here.

Ashley May 7, 2015 at 4:23 PM

Thank you for standing up for equal rights for babies! Forced circumcision is barbaric. The “whack jobs” are the ones forcing this mutilation on helpless infants.

He is crying for mental health help May 7, 2015 at 4:24 PM

If you want to convince someone to change their opinion about something, you need to educate them with information and maybe some persuasive charm. All this guy is doing is proving himself to be an offensive, obnoxious idiot that no one will listen to what so ever.

My 2 cents May 7, 2015 at 4:25 PM

Isn’t it the Homosexual Males who do the most protesting and complaining about circumcision?

I guess that shows where their deity resides.

OtherMotherHubbard May 7, 2015 at 4:26 PM

I think he just started his period!!!!!!!!!!!!

peter e May 7, 2015 at 4:29 PM

This is a big issue with the left. Also an old issue.

94598 May 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM

I saw this hilarious show this morning also. I couldn’t get my phone out in time to get a picture, I was afraid nobody would believe me- I’m glad somebody posted the picture

Ken May 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM

Should be protesting about Male Pattern Baldness.
Millions of sufferers and not one damn dime of government funding to find a cure!

Penis’ take care of themselves, hairloss never comes back!

Mallory May 7, 2015 at 4:34 PM

I think it’s funny that people are criticizing his method, yet we are talking about the issue!

You go weird guy, you go!

Reality says... May 7, 2015 at 4:34 PM

I’ll ask the same question – don’t these f&^kin’ idiots have jobs to be at?! I guess he’s on my payroll also. Uggh, so damn aggravating.

Really May 7, 2015 at 4:39 PM

I am a believer of to each his own, but there is a time and place for things like this, not around children. And also to be so dramatic about it. Get real. I realize that we could go back and forth here, but strongly needed to say that “Just not around schools”

Miriam May 7, 2015 at 4:40 PM

He’s got to be from Berkeley.

Marc May 7, 2015 at 4:41 PM

I agree with him. Contrary to what American doctors say (and they make money off circumcisions), the top medical communities in Scandanavia and Germany have strongly opposed this unnecessary cosmetic procedure and the Council of Europe declared it a violation of human rights. Mammals have a foreskin for a reason. It acts as a natural
lubricant, protects the glans from keratinizing, and contains most of the high sensory fine touch nerve endings, the kind found in high quantity in the
eyelids, lips, and fingertips. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ca.22501/abstract;jsessionid=DA83424FC408B7A4D4010CB9B1FCA554.f03t03

Renowned health expert Dr. Dean Edell has spoken out
against infant circumcision for decades.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk8bfpCADcA

A February 2013 Belgian study “confirms the importance
of the foreskin for penile sensitivity, overall sexual satisfaction, and penile
functioning. Furthermore, this study shows that a higher percentage of
circumcised men experience discomfort or pain and unusual sensations as
compared with the uncircumcised population. Before circumcision without medical
indication, adult men, and parents considering circumcision of their sons,
should be informed of the importance of the foreskin in male sexuality.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23374102?dopt=Abstract

A May 2014 study in the Journal of Sexual Medicine found circumcision
is associated with higher rates of STIs and HIV.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2012.02871.x/abstract

A recent study in Denmark found circumcised men have
a much higher rate of sexual problems.
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/06/13/ije.dyr104.short?rss=1

When scientists used fine-touch medical instruments to
measure the fine-touch sensory responses in the penis, they found: “The glans
of the circumcised penis is less sensitive to fine touch than the glans of the
uncircumcised penis. The transitional region from the external to the internal
prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more
sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. Circumcision
ablates the most sensitive parts of the penis.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847

Recently Men’s Health Magazine interviewed Dr. Anthony
Weinhaus, Ph.D., director of the University of Minnesota’s Human Anatomy
program, who said: “Male foreskin takes years to separate from the glans
(head), which is unusual enough of a process to suggest one if its main
functions may help prevent infection, especially in infants. It helps shield
the opening of… the urethra from any contaminates or bacteria, explains
Weinhaus. It also protects your reproductive chances: Without a foreskin, the
glans rubs against objects, like your clothes, and develops a thick layer of
skin to desensitize itself, Weinhaus says. Foreskin keeps men more sexually
sensitive, which would’ve encouraged our ancestors to reproduce more.”
http://mhltm.ag/1kV8ijW

Full Deck May 7, 2015 at 4:46 PM

Has to do something can’t win at solitaire with only 40 cards.

Cellophane May 7, 2015 at 4:56 PM

I wonder how many readers understand just how sad it is to see them write such biased comments, knowing they have no idea what they are demeaning?

Certainly does not create much confidence in people, so many are so ignorant and so arrogant, it’s so sad.

fact Luvin Pro Fi May 7, 2015 at 4:57 PM

Thank you Brian for taking a stand! Just so sorry you have to listen/read the BS from some immature Claycordians.

Greg May 7, 2015 at 5:00 PM

@funnyman

The two are not comparable. A little research might help you.

MEe May 7, 2015 at 5:24 PM

Agree or not people worrying about what kids will think should remember this is a free Cou try. And it might be a good over tuning to talk to thwm about the 1st amendment . Though we may find it disturbing sometimes or completely disagree this is our right. And their right. If done legally we have the right to protest etc. Btw don’t take those kids to SF if you are troubled by them seeing this. Because youll.see much worse in the city sometimes.

Jonathon Conte May 7, 2015 at 5:27 PM

Way to go, Brian!

Every child—male, female, or intersex—deserves equal protection from genital mutilation. No parent has the “right” to decide how much genital tissue their child does or does not get to keep. Those who argue otherwise seem to imply that children are property instead of human beings who are entitled to the full spectrum of human rights.

By the way, I think it’s quite telling to see how many commentators here are more concerned about children potentially learning about forced genital cutting than they are about the children being subjected to the abusive act itself.

Sick Of It May 7, 2015 at 5:31 PM

#49

Foreskin keeps men more sexually sensitive.

Does this explain the Bart masturbaters?

……which would’ve encouraged our ancestors to reproduce more.

Time to slow that roll.

Thank you, Brian. May 7, 2015 at 5:34 PM

I, for one, appreciate you getting the word out. To those who think you shouldn’t do it near a school, where exactly do they think education should take place?

I was circumcised as an infant. While I have no strong feelings either way about my own foreskin, I decided (after extensive research) not to have my son circumcised. He is now an adult and has never experienced any of the complications that the anti-foreskin crowd like to “warn” about.

There is NO medical reason to routinely circumcise babies. And any religion that requires boys’ penises to be mutilated is completely whacked, IMO. If you believe in God, then why don’t you believe he knew what he was doing when he put that cover on there?

thx4youropinion May 7, 2015 at 5:51 PM

Aren’t there any augmentation-type doctors that can re-do what his parents undid?

better w/o the bun May 7, 2015 at 5:54 PM

causes it’s hard not to laugh at the dog!

RunDogRun May 7, 2015 at 5:57 PM

It looks like somebody just got his.

Nellie May 7, 2015 at 6:23 PM

He should have worn a turtleneck

Hollie Redinger May 7, 2015 at 6:28 PM

The only people who don’t want him educating near a school are the parents that chopped up their own children with their American ignorance.

Brian, you are an amazing man! Keep doing what you do.

I also find it humorous that Californians are against this. Do you guys know your cutting rates are under 20%? If you cut your child today, you not only put them in the worldly minority, the US minority, but you also put him into California’s minority.

What will your children think of you when they find out what you took from them?

Thanks for needing Viagra, mom! Not.

Greg May 7, 2015 at 6:40 PM

Thank you Brian from North Carolina. I was lucky to not be mutilated. So much ignorance in this thread, probably from psycho feminists and idiot simps.

I especially loved your youtube video of the idiot feminist at the college campus that assaulted you and your group and how you stood your ground.

Keep up the good work. Enlightening one stupid person at a time.

TinFoiler May 7, 2015 at 6:46 PM

If you’re all so down for getting boys circumcised, be sure to be equal with females and cut off their clits….
YOU SAVAGES

Candace Cummings May 7, 2015 at 6:47 PM

Good for you, Brian!!

The American people need to know about this horrifying practice being imposed on our infants for $$$ and bc of false information. Foreskin is there for a reason, and removing it without medical reason and without the patient’s consent is wrong.

We all have a right to our whole bodies, and I applaud you for standing up for those who cannot speak for themselves! You are a true hero.

Sean May 7, 2015 at 6:50 PM

haha I’ve got a picture of a guy with those signs from last year

Sick Of It May 7, 2015 at 6:58 PM

And everyone thought pork rinds were made of pork.

Pandora HD May 7, 2015 at 7:06 PM

I saw this jerk this morning and what he did when the traffic signal turned red. My first thought was not about circumcision, or the pitiful “Blood Stained Men” whiners group…. but why isn’t this idiot working? Looking at the drivers around me… they were laughing and some shaking their heads.

Tora Spigner May 7, 2015 at 7:07 PM

Every child owns his or her own body. They have the right to keep their healthy genitals, as nature made them, to use as they see fit when they are adults. Any removal, alteration, cutting or mutilating of healthy sexual tissue from a CHILD is wrong. Adults should not be determining how much genitalia a child should have. They need to grow up with whole, healthy bodies to have the sex life that nature allows them to have, not one dictated by someone else.

Silva May 7, 2015 at 7:10 PM

Greg #64, Get bent.

When I went into Kaiser Permanente in 1987 to deliver my boy I signed papers and specified that they were NOT to circumcisize my baby. When he was born, the doctor cut into his shoulder when giving me an episiotomy. They took him away to wait for a doctor to become available who could stich him up. After waiting and asking for him for 6 hours my husband went to find him. He found him in the nick of time, as they were taking him just then to perform a circumcision. I would’ve been SO pi$$ed off if that had happened to him. I later learned that none of our family members were curcumcized either. I have always felt good about my decision not to do that to him.

Pandora HD May 7, 2015 at 7:12 PM

I’m in the medical field and see many boys and young teenage men coming into the urology department to be circumcised, AT THEIR CHOICE. Society has no business dictating individual life choice at a personal level, unless of course you’re a liberal.

Zardoz May 7, 2015 at 7:15 PM

Leave it to Claycord to tear this guy down for having an opinion.

Silva May 7, 2015 at 7:16 PM

BTW, I’ve known someone who was severely mutilated by a doctor who botched his circumcision.

Just noticing May 7, 2015 at 7:24 PM

I saw him too & so wanted to get a pic to send to Claycord this morning. All I could think about was the kids going to school who had to look at this..REALLY???? The cops need to haul him away but then we have that Freedom of Speech!! I’m not speaking to agree or disagree to his signs but the fact he is in an area where kids from all ages have to go by him, was GROSS!!!

connie May 7, 2015 at 7:31 PM

Brian, thank you for standing up for innocent babies and the men they will become. Loving all of the educated, compassionate comments here. If people just took a few minutes to research foreskin and what it’s there for…if they hopped over to youtube for a second and watched a couple of videos of actual infant circumcisions being performed…if they understood that we are virtually the only nation who still subjects their fragile, newborn children to actual torture in the name of”health benefits” (the rest of the world doesn’t do this and the highest ranking medical authorities in Europe have called us out on it as a barbaric human rights abuse)…if people knew the enormous risk of complications(including death)…if they understood that it causes sexual disfunction at an early age…if they knew how many of their sons suffer in silence (as babies when it is done and later as men)… ThiIf they knew that most American doctors are completely ignorant about the foreskin and the anatomy of the organ they are removing…if they did the math to see how incredibly profitable it is for the medical community to push circumcision on the parents at the expense of their children…if they knew that infant foreskin s are sold to medical AND cosmetic companies…This would end immediately.

connie May 7, 2015 at 7:43 PM

http://www.library.georgetown.edu/gelardin/showcase/entries/circumcision-elephant-hospital
This is a great video to learn more about why it’s done, how it’s done and some great reasons NOT to do it…

@Pandora HD May 7, 2015 at 7:45 PM

I’m guessing you’d feel differently if it were your body that was mutilated right after birth.

Also, some people work a different schedule from yours. Don’t assume they don’t have jobs just because they aren’t going to work when you are.

Ron Low May 7, 2015 at 7:46 PM

I was delighted to see that the protest took place and also that it got this online exposure.

Hundreds of thousands of men are enduring tedious non-surgical foreskin restoration to undo some of the sexual effects of childhood circumcision. Foreskin feels REALLY good. HIS body, HIS decision.

Mom May 7, 2015 at 7:47 PM

there was no way I let them touch my baby boy when he was born 22 years ago. I remember that it was quiet the issue at Kaiser at the time, they tried to reason with me every which way. They made me feel pretty bad as a mom. But I didn’t care. I did not see any good reason whatsoever in letting them circumcise/mutilate my newborn.
I have not regret my decision.
Later a nurse complimented me for standing by my believes and told me It was a declining procedure and only about half of all the baby boys had the procedure forced on them. That was 20 years ago.

anon May 7, 2015 at 7:48 PM

The poor kids going to school. It must have ruined there morning marijuana cigarette.

73 MONTE CARLO May 7, 2015 at 8:01 PM

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. The decision is parental. Babies don’t have a right to consent.

Parents, educate yourself, and make a wise decision. Whatever your decision might be.

Silva May 7, 2015 at 8:13 PM

thx4youropinion #48, I’ve seen devices on the web which will restore foreskins. They can be purchased or DIY.

Brian Herrity May 7, 2015 at 8:32 PM

Why near a school? I primarily chose to protest today on this corner because of the heavy commuter traffic, but it was also great that hundreds of young people saw my message. The future parents of America need to know the truth about circumcision, because American doctors are not being ethical when it comes to this issue. The foreskin is an important part of a man’s body, and it serves many valuable functions throughout life. When American parents find out the truth behind what doctors are doing to their sons, they reject circumcision across the board.

The Bloodstain is a shocking visual, and that is the point. It symbolizes the violent act of circumcision, the lifelong wound that the victim is forced to live with. You can’t please everyone at a street protest, but I had tons of happy thumbs up and horns honked with support, and many people stopped to talk to me. They all thanked me for the information.

You can visit our organization’s website on http://www.BloodstainedMen.org — we are a 501(c)3 public charity non-profit. I am a native of Walnut Creek, CA, but live in Concord now, just up the road from where I was protesting. By the looks of this thread it seems like I chose a great location. I will certainly be back at some point.

Genital mutilation of children is a crime against humanity and it needs to come to a swift end. It’s great to know that I got the town talking, our area has a very high circumcision rate.

@ Pandora HD May 7, 2015 at 8:34 PM

Why are boys and young men choosing to be circumcised?

44 ladies that's me May 7, 2015 at 8:38 PM

If they stop circumcision then what will the rich rub on their faces????
http://www.alternet.org/story/47421/foreskin_face_cream_and_other_beauty_products_of_the_future
There’s probably better links but I don’t have time for that.

Atticus Thraxx May 7, 2015 at 8:41 PM

Unless you find yourself on the business end of it regularly, having a strong opinion on foreskin or lack thereof, seems bizarre and not something a grown man with grown man ambitions and interests,should be spending daylight hours protesting. You should have better things to do.

Fix Our Roads

Rachel J May 7, 2015 at 8:50 PM

While doctors ignore the cries of the babies they are mutilating, this man uses his voice and presence to raise awareness about the savage truth regarding genital mutilation and the public is listening!

Jimi C Wooderson May 7, 2015 at 8:57 PM

There’s a cause for everything. Let me tell you this, the older you do get the more rules they’re gonna try to get you to follow. You just gotta keep livin’ man, L-I-V-I-N.

@73 Monte Carlo May 7, 2015 at 9:00 PM

So, if parents want to cut off one of their newborn babie’s fingers, is that their choice to make?

Torches And Pitchforks May 7, 2015 at 9:44 PM

@88 – amen. As usual with Men’s Rights Activists, this guy has no business representing grown men! Take your whiny “WAH I’M SO OPPRESSED” politics and go elsewhere, loser!

GuardianOfTheGalaxy May 7, 2015 at 9:48 PM

Circumcision is pretty barbaric. But it’s a tradition and the victims have no voice. So good luck changing it, it’s not going away until we all elevate our consciousness in the future.

Antler May 7, 2015 at 9:57 PM

Mmmmmmm, but shouldn’t he be talking with the rabbis instead of indulging his theatrical side in exhibitionistic behavior?

(By the way, I am vehemently opposed to piercings of soft body parts, and I have dibs on that corner next Thursday morning! 😉 )

Silva May 7, 2015 at 9:57 PM

#86, I have an anecdote related to your question; A person I once knew’s son wanted to be circumsized to look like his friends. He’d been asking for it a long time, and when he was 12 years old his parents agreed and arranged the surgery. Due to a mistake on the part of the anesthesiologist he died on the operating table.

GRX May 7, 2015 at 10:05 PM

The First Amendment of the US Constitution! Celebrate unpopular speech and the ability to express yourself without repercussions.

……Unless you’re a conservative group where the President of the United States and his supporters conspire to use a government agency, like the IRS, to administratively suppress opposition to his policies.

Dr. Jellyfinger May 7, 2015 at 11:21 PM

Circumcised or uncircumcised? I have no idea! How can I tell? I should probably already know but it’s never come up before. What specifically should I look for? Would a photo help?

Brendan Scully May 7, 2015 at 11:22 PM

Way to go, Brian!!! Saving future babies from the greed of the ‘Murican “healthcare” system! The rest of the developed world is disgusted and bewildered that here in ‘Murica people treat their male children, and ONLY males, as a piece of property to be sliced up and altered at whim for no valid reason whatsoever. Wake up, sheeple, you’ve been enslaved and you are enslaving your sons.

PH Dad May 8, 2015 at 12:10 AM

Bravo Brian,

I chose to not have my son mutilated when he was born less than ten years ago. Kaiser was fine with the decision.
good for you for speaking up on the issue.

Rollo Tomasi May 8, 2015 at 1:26 AM

@Tinfoiler: Nice try, but you’re clueless in regards to analogous anatomy between males and females.

Anybody here give less of a crap than me what Europeans (physicians or otherwise) think about Americans?

Patrick May 8, 2015 at 4:43 AM

Bravo Brian! No amount of discussion, debate, argument, ignorance, opinion, or faulty “knowledge,” can change the fact that it is WRONG to amputate healthy tissue from an infant who is unable to consent. I did not consent! Over 80% of the humans on this planet understand that, and do not molest their infant males in this way.

thx4youropinion May 8, 2015 at 6:44 AM

@#85 Brian Herrity — I did a VERY quick review of the .org that you claim to be part of. I’m a little surprised that this Treat/Oak Grove protest was a one-man show, and why it’s on a street corner. Why aren’t you trying to hit broadcast media — then, too, maybe you are. I don’t watch local news.

My feelings at this point with regard to circumcision? None. A) I’m a woman; 2) My son, who was circumcised after his birth in 1976 because it was standard practice, is deceased. So I have no idea what HIS feelings would be. It never became a topic of discussion — not at birth, growing up or near death.

However, a curiosity question that I do have regarding your group and what you classify as “mutilation” — what are your opinions regarding women who go through adverse actions that provide absolutely no form of self-stimulation, e.g., breast augmentation?

From a personal standpoint — Are you against that, too? Or, are you for it? Or, do you pass that off as “irrelevant to the topic matter”?

Chris May 8, 2015 at 7:15 AM

Circumcision isn’t like breast implants, you don’t insert breast implants into a child. Many men circumcised as adults report a drammatic loss in sexual sensations. The foreskin is actually the most sensitive part, you can get an orgasm by rubbing a wet finger on the frenulum.

@102 May 8, 2015 at 7:22 AM

I don’t want to speak for Brian, but I think the biggest issue here is the lack of consent. If girls were forced to get boob jobs, that would be unacceptable. But if they choose it, that’s their business.

Fumunda May 8, 2015 at 7:50 AM

Sorry Bri , I love my helmet

73 MONTE CARLO May 8, 2015 at 8:15 AM

Atticus (#88), I totally agree. To have a strong opinion on this one way or another is bizarre.

Read any good books lately?

Silva May 8, 2015 at 8:20 AM

Lest I be accused about thinking about foreskins too much, I’m also incensed about genital mutilation routinely performed on girls elsewhere in the world. It’s worse.

Rollo Tomasi May 8, 2015 at 8:39 AM

You people that complain about parents making a decision for their own infant children are pathetic.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but personally I choose to reflect on all the decisions my parents made for me as a whole. Decisions such as having me inoculated against deadly diseases, providing me with adequate (even comfortable) shelter, food and education. Sage advice, well-deserved and timely discipline, financial support at times of need are all things my parents decided to provide me with. To be resentful toward them for deciding to remove something from me that I have never missed, the absence of which has made absolutely no significant difference in my life or the lives of my family, would be disrespectful at best.

@73 Pinto May 8, 2015 at 8:42 AM

Really? You think it’s bizarre that people are opposed to chopping parts off of healthy babies? Maybe it’s because you’re a woman and we’re talking about penises that you don’t think it’s important. Would you feel differently if every baby girl had her nipples removed? Are you equally apathetic about female genital mutilation? Are you maybe trying to make yourself feel better for thoughtlessly having your son(s) circumcised?

RunDogRun May 8, 2015 at 8:58 AM

Personally, I like mine battered and
deep fried with a little garlic.

The kabitser May 8, 2015 at 9:00 AM

You must admit he has some skin in the game.

@109 May 8, 2015 at 9:01 AM

“Are you maybe trying to make yourself feel better for thoughtlessly having your son(s) circumcised?”

Most likely this.

thx4youropinion May 8, 2015 at 9:17 AM

@Chris #103 — “Many men circumcised as adults report a drammatic loss in sexual sensations.”

If they have it as adults? Maybe.

But how would it affect an infant who never had sexual stimuli? Who has proven this?

@104 — The fact is that breast augmentation is an adult arousal made by a woman for ANOTHER person. So why is the concentration and protest based specifically upon one gender and his missing skin “denying him true pleasure” — to which he was 99% NOT a comparative subject — and not including the other gender for “extending” her skin to please someone else?

RunDogRun May 8, 2015 at 9:24 AM

110 RunDogRun

Uh Oh! I pasted that to the wrong
blog!

Pink May 8, 2015 at 10:11 AM

@RunDogRun
Too funny!!! Thanks for the giggle!

Anon May 8, 2015 at 10:27 AM

As a woman, don’t have a strong opinion on this, other than it up to the parents involved, and not the State. Do have to mention for one important Judeo-Christian religion, circumcision is a mark of their covenant with God. This religion has a LOT of lawyers among its numbers so would bet we won’t see California anti-circumcision legislation ever.

Sally May 8, 2015 at 10:43 AM

This is the USA and he’s exercising his right of free speech.

I agree with him. It’s a barbaric practice. Twenty+ years ago we decided not to circumcise our son. He was born at Kaiser WC and nobody there tried to influence us one way or the other. I left the decision mostly to my husband because it was more his area of expertise. My husband was not circumcised because he was born in Europe where it was not the custom, although he was raised in the U.S. He has no regrets about being uncircumcised. Nobody gave him a hard time about it growing up, which was my biggest concern about not circumsizing our son. Our pediatrician emphasized the need to teach our son how to properly clean the area. There is some evidence that circumcision lowers infection rates, but proper hygiene should mitigate that risk. I wouldn’t be overly critical of a parent for choosing to circumcise, but I have no regrets for not doing it to my son.

Pinchehippy May 8, 2015 at 10:52 AM

If you’re so disgusted by paint on a pair of pants but can cut and make a defenses child bleed because you think it will make his penis “look better”—let us collectively answer this question: Who is the crazy lunatic?

Silva May 8, 2015 at 11:04 AM

Rollo Tomasi #108, I’m sure no one meant any disrespect toward your parents or anyone else, It’s just a discussion, and change happens.

IMO May 8, 2015 at 11:12 AM

I think it is a parents decision and nobody elses.

If an adult male is traumatized by something that happened when he was just days old, then he is mentally off and should seek help.

As a woman, I think an uncircumcised pens is disgusting. But that is my opinion.

Hey Dude May 8, 2015 at 11:42 AM

Parents pay the hospital and the doctors to have this barbaric procedure performed. Then the hospital turns around and sells the foreskin tissue to cosmetics companies for fancy face creams. The ho$pital is making money off of the parents and the foreskin, which is why the hospital staff pressure parents into having the cruel procedure done. It’s all about the $money$.

teri May 8, 2015 at 11:58 AM

I support the intactivists. Genital mutilation is still genital mutilation, even when it’s done on a male.

RunDogRun May 8, 2015 at 12:02 PM

120 IMO

I agree! The cosmetically improved
model is so much better looking. What
is that thing anyway … a little trap door?
Scary. And, seriously, better that men
don’t enjoy it too much too quickly,
as far as I’m concerned.

Anonymous May 8, 2015 at 12:11 PM

Oh for Petes sake if we held a contest about the most irrelevant protest in the world this guy would be in the top ten.

Folks, it about him exposing himself to everyone and doing it legally.

I’d love to see what’s on his computer.

teri May 8, 2015 at 12:15 PM

@92.. Most MRAs are great people, equalists, with a worthy cause. Yes, there are radicals, just like there are radical feminists. I’ve seen gender feminists say things much worse than what radical MRAs say. Radicals in the Mens Rights movement are the fringe, not the norm. Visit the local blog for the National Coalition for Men: http://www.norcal.ncfm.org

Anon May 8, 2015 at 12:36 PM

I like him he is a cut above the rest

Willow May 8, 2015 at 2:46 PM

Another example of the craziness BART has brought to suburbia from
Bezerkley.

Mark May 8, 2015 at 3:10 PM

Frickin’ goofball.

Rollo Tomasi May 8, 2015 at 3:42 PM

@ Silva:

You misunderstand me. I believe all of these idiots who believe their parents robbed THEM of something by circumcising them are incredibly disrespectful to THEIR parents.

Family Guy May 8, 2015 at 4:10 PM

Any one holding a sign (anywhere) and protesting (about anything) is by deafult at least a little nuts.

I think that guy is a KOOK.

Claycord rocks

Hugh7 May 8, 2015 at 8:44 PM

#27 @Concord Mike “there are a lot of things parents decide for their kids medically speaking” But nothing like this, to cut a normal, healthy, functional, non-renewing part off his body with no diagnosis except being male. The rest of the developed world doesn’t do it, and doesn’t have any outbreaks of any of the things it’s supposed to be good against.

#31 @Really “Those poor children that have to be subjected to that.”
So you think it’s OK to subject them to genital cutting, but not know what was done to them?
#36 @KAD “My Dad had to have this done while he was in his 90s.”
He is one man, who got to enjoy all his body for more than 90 years, while the vast majority of men never have to get it done, and most men don’t reach their 90s. Your dad’s case is NO reason to do it to babies.

#41 @My 2 cents “Isn’t it the Homosexual Males who do the most protesting and complaining about circumcision?.”
Intactivists are
– men angry this was done to them – especially when it went wrong
– mothers who learnt too late what it entails
– nurses told to lie to parents that “he slept right through it”
– doctors who have to repair the botches of others
– lawyers handling the cases of those botches
– women who have experienced the real thing
– intact men who know what we’ve got and don’t want anyone more to be denied it
– and more.

#59 @thx4youropinion
“Aren’t there any augmentation-type doctors that can re-do what his parents undid?”
No, the foreskin is a uniquely mobile structure with tens of thousands of nerves, and once cut off can never be fully replaced.

#73 @Pandora HD
“I’m in the medical field and see many boys and young teenage men coming into the urology department to be circumcised, AT THEIR CHOICE.”
That’s very rare in countries where babies are left alone and men are under no social pressure to have it done.
“Society has no business dictating individual life choice at a personal level, unless of course you’re a liberal.”
Nor do parents or doctors on such an individual matter as this.

#83 @73 MONTE CARLO
“I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. The decision is parental. Babies don’t have a right to consent.”
Crying is appropriate. Cutting parts off the genitals is not a legitimate decision for parents (it’s illegal if the baby is a girl, no matter how surgical or minimal, or what the parents’ reasons are). Children do have a basic human right to be protected from harm, such as unnecessary body modifications.

#88 #92 @Atticus Thraxx, @Torches and pitchforks
You have your priorities, we have ours. You have no more right to impose your priorities on us than parents and doctors have to impose knives on healthy babies’ bodies. And it was important enough to YOU for YOU to post YOUR opinion about it here.

#108 @Rollo Tomasi
If you knew what you are missing, you’d be mad as hell.

#123 @RunDogRun
The tens of thousands of nerves, give more feedback and more control. A study in Denmark found cut men have MORE PE than whole men.

#130 @Family Guy
In that case we need more kooks who are at least a little nuts. You’d include MLK and Rosa Parks and the Suffragettes in that category?

Bronco May 8, 2015 at 10:43 PM

I went to high school with this guy. He knows what he’s talking about and is very educated about this topic. At least he’s not running around shooting people, drunk in public or shooting dope on the street. I’d hate to even hear what you a$$wipe$ would have to say about him if that was the case. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. Leave this guy alone, he’s a good respectful guy!!

RunDogRun May 8, 2015 at 10:44 PM

In all seriousness, I’ve read just
the opposite of what he’s advocating
including the information on sensitivity.
Realistically, the only people who
know for sure are adult sexually
active males who have had
circumcision as adults. And,
who really believes what anybody
reports to others about the intensity
of their sexual experiences.

Rollo Tomasi May 8, 2015 at 11:36 PM

@#131:

“#108 @Rollo Tomasi
If you knew what you are missing, you’d be mad as hell.”

Guess again, skippy. As I stated above, the people that decided to circumcise me are the same people that provided me a loving, happy, well-cared for childhood that I turned into a very successful adulthood with children of my own. If I was to get mad about what some asshat calls an injustice it would be the height of disrespect. There’s already too many men who think with their dick.

Rest assured, I’m not missing anything and neither were the women in my past – nor my wife of 20 years. If the women in your life knew what they were missing…oh wait, they already know. Longevity goes a long way.

Leslie May 9, 2015 at 4:56 AM

Good for you once again Brian! The bias & close minded comments are here are startling. Plus, the questioning & accusations are even worse. At my age I don’t have the patience to deal with this type of comment at all. But all the educating comments are great & I commend you all for expert commentating. It’s wonderful one person can kick up such a stir!

Patrick May 9, 2015 at 6:23 AM

Rollo Tomasi (comment #108) Trying to equate providing food, shelter, and education for a child with Amputating healthy tissue from the infant who is unable to consent is ridiculous! A parent does have to decide if the risk of vaccines is worth the benefit. We Do know that they prevent certain deceases. Risk? A parent should make an educated decision. However, infant circumcision has No Real Benefits, but has real risks including death. We Do know that it compromises the lives of all its victims, that includes you and me. For decades circumcision has been a Cure searching for a Decease, as the “reasons” for performing this atrocity have changed through the years. It Does however accomplish one of its original goals, to inhibit sexual pleasure. You have never missed your foreskin because you have never experienced it. If you had been born blind, you might think, “I am fine, who needs stinking vision anyway?”

thx4youropinion May 9, 2015 at 7:30 AM

@#131 — Are you for real?

Your response to ConcordMike: ” The rest of the developed world doesn’t do it, and doesn’t have any outbreaks of any of the things it’s supposed to be good against.” Prove it. Give us CDC stats and figures.

Your response to Really: “So you think it’s OK to subject them to genital cutting, but not know what was done to them?” You KNOW what was done? (And you are swaying from the topic of foreskin to a penis cut-off.)

Your response to KAD: “Your dad’s case is NO reason to do it to babies.” Your OPINION is no reason to stop the procedure.

Your response to My 2 cents: Taking that entire blah-blah as one statement, what is your opinion about sex change operations?

Your response to me: Taking that assumption as one brief statement, what is your opinion about sex change operations? The doctors have the ability to make a male to female capable of being sexually aroused, but the inability to keep the sacred foreskin “aftereffect” in the penis? How do you know? Have you discussed this with medical practitioners–and if so, who?

Your response to Pandora HD: “That’s very rare in countries where babies are left alone and men are under no social pressure to have it done.” Prove it. On what do you base this rather generic claim?

Your response to Monte Carlo: “Children do have a basic human right to be protected from harm, such as unnecessary body modifications.” Do you include ear piercings in this rather bizarre classification calling it a “body modification?” And who protects this “human right” and based upon what law?

Your response to Atticus Thraxx: “You have your priorities, we have ours. You have no more right to impose your priorities on us than parents and doctors have to impose knives on healthy babies’ bodies.” Wait a minute, guy! Now you’re calling it a “priority” and back-pedaling from your claim that the parent has no right to determine whether or not their child is circumcised.

Your response to Rollo Tomasi: “If you knew what you are missing, you’d be mad as hell.” But YOU know? How?

Your response to RunDogRun: “A study in Denmark found cut men have MORE PE than whole men.” “A” study. Denmark. That speaks for the world?

Your response to Family Guy: “In that case we need more kooks who are at least a little nuts. You’d include MLK and Rosa Parks and the Suffragettes in that category?” They spoke for society as a whole. And their actions were not blaming everyone else for what their mama and doctor did (or didn’t do).

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM

thx4youropinion, you’re quite upset about what your mommy and daddy allowed the docs to do to your penis, and it really shows too.

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 9:49 AM

It shows in your active denial, that is.

Rollo Tomasi May 9, 2015 at 10:16 AM

@ Patrick:

“If you had been born blind, you might think, “I am fine, who needs stinking vision anyway?””

What a stupid comment. Do you have any idea how many blind and deaf people there are who believe just that? My aunt and uncle were both deaf as a result of childhood diseases. Do you think they spent their lives bitter and angry about it? Absolutely not. They were two of the happiest, well-adjusted people I’ve ever been around.

One commenter wrote that I should be mad as hell. At whom? At the people who had the ultimate authority to make the decision? The people who also provided me with everything I needed during an idyllic childhood and adolescence? What a stupid premise.

You stated that one of the original goals of male circumcision is the inhibition of sexual pleasure. Got a legitimate source for that? I’m not missing anything in my sex life, and I wouldn’t care if I was. The important things in life go so far beyond sexual pleasure as to render it nearly moot. I find you people that can’t get beyond your basest animal instincts to be pathetic.

Here’s my point. My net worth is what some people might consider significant, and I’m extremely comfortable financially. Should I be pissed off because I don’t have billions? Sorry chief – I’m a better person than that and frankly don’t have the time or inclination to be pissed off about insignificant things in my life.

Oh, My! May 9, 2015 at 10:23 AM

When parents decide to circumcise their son, it’s for the health of the baby. It decreases the risk of penile cancer, urinary tract infections, STD’s and as well as the risk of cancer for women that they’re intimately involved.

It’s a very personal decision that’s discussed between parents and their Dr. It’s very common to leave the decision up to the father because he’s a man. In some cases, there are religious reasons.

I don’t know what’s going on in the lives of men that are so upset.

Whatever the case, I wish you well.

Kenji May 9, 2015 at 10:33 AM

I saw this guy on my way to work. I don’t know if there is anything to speculations about his mental state, but I admire his courage to get out in public with a sign for a cause he cares about and be ridiculed. I also agree with his opposition to infant circumcision.

Yay rollo tomasi May 9, 2015 at 10:40 AM

That’s what I was thinking. It’s not the child’s choice. It’s the parent’s choice most parents try to make the best choices for their child not ” mutilate” and make their lives ” miserable ” because they have no foreskin. Come on this is ridiculous attention seeking behavior and disrespectful to your parents. This is why our world is going to sh*t children are being taught that they don’t have to respect anyone’s actions just what they want. Makes for spoiled ungrateful kids that do stupid $h*t like this. Go get a job and be a productive ADULT instead of whining about your lack of sexual function and sensitivity. That’s just what more men need is more sensitivity in their penal regions. They already think enough with their penis’. We shouldn’t encourage it more (can you imagine omg) and I think we are overpopulated as it is. We don’t need to encourage that either especially at the rate of selfish lack of morality we are at now. Go get a job and contribute to the world in a meaningful way. You want to help kids go be a big brother that’s needed more than you standing there trying to be a shock value and attention seeker! Parents should always be the ones to make decisions for their children. It’s like that for a reason and that should be respected. It’s so ridiculous how many rights parents have lost already. P.S. This is only a free country if you do what the government wants or when it’s convenient for them . Wouldn’t be so bad if they weren’t such Self serving a$$holes. Rules and regulations are so out of control and overdone that we really aren’t free anymore. I’m sad to see the future my son will be living in 🙁

Yay rollo tomasi May 9, 2015 at 10:48 AM

Cause we are looking at it right now unfortunately. It’s your freedom to make your life or break your life by whining about your lack of foreskin it’s not a necessity or need it’s a want reprioritize and be grateful for the life you have it could be worse. You have shelter and food and your “freedom” and obviously don’t work like the rest of us. Use that time to be productive not whiney or go back to walnut creek where you came from

Silva May 9, 2015 at 10:51 AM

I hold all parents and medical practicioners who were missled by our huge “modern” medical machine completely blameless. If anyone thinks Brian and others are making a big deal over nothing, there are loads of fotos of babies and adults who’s procedure has gone horribly wrong. I myself personally have seen one butchery and known of another death, which STRONGLY influenced my decision not to do it to my baby.

thx4youropinion May 9, 2015 at 11:21 AM

@#138 — LOL. I ain’t the one standing at Treat/Oak Grove looking like he’s in need of a Kotex, and changing the words of “Look what they did to my song, son!”. to “Look what they’ve done to my dong, son!”

Besides, I’m a she. My son was circumcised. I’m not out condemning those who DON’T follow that practice. Nor would I pretend to understand the fore and aft of a surgery performed upon infants.

Try again, Ash.

Oh, My! May 9, 2015 at 11:59 AM

Silva, the medical profession wasn’t “misled.” The medical benefits of circumcision still outweigh leaving the child intact, but it’s becoming less common.

Your decision was strongly influenced by personal experience. I understand that. But it doesn’t mean the whole medical profession was misled. It means someone screwed up, and it happens daily in every profession.

I know people who’ve had things go wrong in surgery, but it won’t stop me from having that surgery one day if necessary. I’d find a different Dr. and hospital.

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 12:01 PM

What’s your issue with him standing at that intersection?

Why is cutting up infant’s penises such a hoot to you?

Yes, you are very defensive, and have latent, repressed guilt about having your son’s penis mutilated, which is even more disgusting than a mutilated man defending his own mutilation, because of cognitive dissonance.

The fact that the cutting and mutilation of a baby’s sex organs is not abhorrent and something which you intuitively know to be wrong, and that you actually subjected your son to that, speaks volumes about you, as a ‘mother’.

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 12:04 PM

“When parents decide to circumcise their son, it’s for the health of the baby. It decreases the risk of penile cancer, urinary tract infections, STD’s and as well as the risk of cancer for women that they’re intimately involved.”

Based upon what epistemological evidence of what ‘1st World’, industrialized nation?

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 12:16 PM

“Cause we are looking at it right now unfortunately. It’s your freedom to make your life or break your life by whining about your lack of foreskin it’s not a necessity or need it’s a want reprioritize and be grateful for the life you have it could be worse. You have shelter and food and your “freedom” and obviously don’t work like the rest of us. Use that time to be productive not whiney or go back to walnut creek where you came from”

Mommy and daddy didn’t let you have the blue crayon, so now you try to tell everyone else that the absence of said blue crayon is no big deal.

Dude, your wanking and having intercourse in black and white, FFS.

You’ll never know what a real orgasm feels like.

How does having what is, by far the most sensitive part of one’s penis amputated, against one’s own consent, NOT have a significant impact one one’s life?

;And just because you don’t want to here about it and attempt to diminish the impact that this has on men, women and society as a whole, does not mean that people who are aware and intelligent should shut up and stay out of your sight, when they want to protest in public about it.

Patrick May 9, 2015 at 12:17 PM

Rollo Tomasi, I made one mistake in my last entry. The last sentence should have read, “If your parents had blinded you shortly after birth to prevent possible eye deceases, you might think, “I am fine, who needs stinking vision anyway?,” instead of “If you had been born blind.” I know many blind and/or deaf people get along fine. However, I don’t think that their parents Chose that for them, or that they Prefer it.
Face reality and forgive your well meaning parents for a mistake they made due to ignorance or being misguided. I have forgiven mine, but am still mad as hell that this bogus societal “Norm” compromised my quality of life.
News Flash! Nobody here cares about your net worth.
Research Circumcision history in the U.S. and find the truth.
http://www.cirp.org/pages/whycirc.html

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 12:23 PM

Rollo, you’re an idiot of low intelligence, who is defending the mutilation of your son.

How about your son’s right to his whole body, which of course would be a penis, which has not been mutilated and severely sexually downgraded.

Your compulsive desire, for your son’s penis to match yours, was the reason that you had your son’s penis clamped, crushed, scraped-out and cut-up.

.. Not because you were exercising a legitimate ‘parenting decision’.

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 12:25 PM

No edit function on here.

Guess I need to proof-read, before posting.

thx4youropinion May 9, 2015 at 12:32 PM

@#148 — “The fact that the cutting and mutilation of a baby’s sex organs is not abhorrent and something which you intuitively know to be wrong, and that you actually subjected your son to that, speaks volumes about you, as a ‘mother’.”

and in #138 you state — “you’re quite upset about what your mommy and daddy allowed the docs to do to your penis”

Oh …now it’s a gender switch. You’re a confused boy, aren’t you, Ash?

Penis or no penis, anyone not in agreement with you is wrong in your little mind.

Why do I get the feeling that everything was cool until you had to start taking showers in P.E. classes and became the laughing stock of all the other naked little boys? You still can’t get over being joked about because you were “different.”

You don’t want to blame your mama — so you are going to blame all the other mamas for circumcising their sons, and not letting them “look” like you.

thx4youropinion May 9, 2015 at 12:50 PM

@Patrick #151 — FYI: Approach the matter the way you did in this post, and your group will have more followers.

It was not really an issue in the ’70s, rather, it was basic procedure; and the majority of people were kids having kids.

One thing that I can assure you is that if your group “damns” people the same manner as this Ash Clayborne pissed off soul or that Brian Herrity ragman on street corners with the “Look at me! Look at me!” approach, you’ll get nowhere fast.

Good luck.

Yay rollo tomasi May 9, 2015 at 1:43 PM

Ash clayborn is evidence of the ungrateful grown children I’m talking about. Prime example! Nothing is ever good enough and always looking for more immediate self gratification by trying to angrily cut down other people. Fairly good try ash but not here because I’m a well rounded happy person that doesn’t rely on sexual gratification to make me feel good and help others be successful in their daily journey. Maybe some self reflection might help you with your issues? Just trying to help lol. Besides your weak response I don’t know how me knowing what a real orgasm feels like has to do with this pretty irrelevant to this discussion and argument your trying to manifest. Don’t forget we were given sex organs to populate not make ourselves feel pleasure. Perhaps you have gotten away from the original purpose because of your over sensitive penis?

Yay rollo tomasi May 9, 2015 at 1:50 PM

How is it ok to criticize parents voice because they didn’t know their unbiased in opinionated baby is supposedly against circumcision. I guess parents need to be psychic mind readers of their child’s future. More say so needs to be given to parents so we can fix society because obviously taking parenting rights away has not benefited our society. I’m not a dude either ashole clayborn. You like my play on your name haha

teri May 9, 2015 at 1:51 PM

In my daughter’s college Human Anatomy book it says that in 2012 the American Association of Pediatrics found that even though circumcision can benefit health, they did not find enough benefit to recommend that every baby boy be circumcised.

Yay rollo tomasi May 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM

If being circumcised has down graded your quality of life. That’s very sad that that is what you base your life on is your penis. There are other things to life you know. Stop yanking it and go outside you’ll learn more that way

Yay rollo tomasi May 9, 2015 at 1:56 PM

Take your power back don’t let your penis ruin the life you were given

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 2:24 PM

You’re offended because it reminds you of the truth of what you needlessly subjected your son to.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he was a student at that school, and that you’re quite upset that he saw that?

The method and style of Brian’s solo protests is quite effective. Your replies are evidence of this.

There will always be offended hypocrite parents, attempting to play the role of critic, who are the silly looking ones.

Would you be ok if your parents had made the decision to have your foreskin removed, without your consent?

Ultimately, I must to have empathy and compassion about the fact, that your son and you were both preyed upon by a for-profit medical practice, which was very much recommended and practiced by the majority of US physicians at that time. You probably thought you were doing the best thing for your son, and along with some weird ‘Murican puritanical debasement of male genitalia cultural psycho-sexual programming about human male genitals,.

Atticus Thraxx May 9, 2015 at 2:39 PM

My doctor now( who is incredibly smart even for a doctor), our doctor when my son was born and the CDC all endorse(d) circumcision. Why is God’s name would I listen to a bunch of self-styled “experts”, keyboard shamans, and cut and paste clinicians? Simple answer….I do not. So wail away about this ‘injustice’ to your heart’s content. There are better things to do with your time than worshiping your penis. Thraxx out!

Fix Our Roads

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 2:42 PM

“Penis or no penis, anyone not in agreement with you is wrong in your little mind.”

Whoever the physical owner of the penis in question is, is who should be the one, who legally decides whether one retains their own foreskin or not.

“Why do I get the feeling that everything was cool until you had to start taking showers in P.E. classes and became the laughing stock of all the other naked little boys? You still can’t get over being joked about because you were “different.” ”

OK.. so you had your son genitally assaulted and genitally knife-raped, so that his penis would match the majority of the other victims of forced penis-flaying?

Huh ??

“You don’t want to blame your mama — so you are going to blame all the other mamas for circumcising their sons, and not letting them “look” like you.”

Wow, you truly are a spineless sheep, superficial bimbo excuse for a mother, who caved to a cultural perversion. Actually really no different than the rationalizations, I’ve seen and documented, from parents in ‘third world’ nations, where the cutting of the genitals of both sexes is prevalent.
You failed to protect your son from harm and also from the theft of something, which should of been his birthright to reatain, until such an age that he was able to consent to parting with it, if he so chose, himself, by his own will and of his own decision making.

Soup Nazi May 9, 2015 at 2:48 PM

Hey come on now, foreskin makes great soup, silly goys!

thx4youropinion May 9, 2015 at 4:42 PM

@ #164 — “You failed to protect your son from harm and also from the theft of something, which should of been his birthright to reatain, until such an age that he was able to consent to parting with it, if he so chose, himself, by his own will and of his own decision making.”

He never met that age, Ash, whatever age you dream it to be.

He died of heart disease at 15.

To my good fortune, he was also very unlike you and never stuck himself behind a keyboard ranting about how he missed a flap of skin.

He had other things to do.

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 4:56 PM

“My doctor now( who is incredibly smart even for a doctor), our doctor when my son was born and the CDC all endorse(d) circumcision.”

“Why is God’s name would I listen to a bunch of self-styled “experts”, keyboard shamans, and cut and paste clinicians? Simple answer….I do not. So wail away about this ‘injustice’ to your heart’s content. There are better things to do with your time than worshiping your penis. Thraxx out!”

Translation:

“Thraxx” is a dismissive, in-denial guy with a mutilated penis or some woman who allowed someone to cut her son’s penis.

Ad hominem straw-man arguments and the CDC statement on RIC.

Again, use your brain and research the basis of the CDC statement on RIC and see what the national health organizations medical ethicists of nations with circ rates below than 10% have to say about the CDC statement.

Do you honestly believe that strapping an infant to a board, clamping, crushing, scraping-out and cutting his genitals, does not cause PTSD, many physical complications, throughout his entire life?

Do you even know what the ‘procedure’ entails?

Do you know what a foreskin is, what it’s functions are?

How can you even comment on this topic, when you are wholly ignorant of what RIC is and what a foreskin is and does.

Your cultural myopia is every bit as asinine, absurd and in active denial about what genital cutting really is, as much as any person from the Islamic world or any other place, which ritually cuts the genitals of non-consenting minor children.

People who defend the practice of forcibly cutting-up an infant’s penis are loathsome, disgusting ignoramuses.

Patrick May 9, 2015 at 5:07 PM

Atticus Thraxx, It is reassuring to know that Doctors, like yours, aren’t making Big $$$ for slicing up helpless infants who can’t consent, and that there is no monetary incentive influencing their recommendation. Oh…Ah… Never Mind! Cut a Girl, go to jail. Cut a Boy, cash a check.

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 5:14 PM

“Ash clayborn is evidence of the ungrateful grown children I’m talking about. Prime example! ”

Sure, “Rollo”, tell me more about the gratitude towards my parents, that I’m missing, you authoritarian, fascistic idiot.

“Nothing is ever good enough and always looking for more immediate self gratification by trying to angrily cut down other people.”

Actually, that’s the sick psycho-sexual motivation behind mutilating and desecrating the natural order and the penis that “God” allegedly “created for humans, through ‘circumcision’, ya dimwitted, projector and inverter of common sense.

Normal people don’t strap-down their children and subject their genitals to medical torture devices and permanently alter their children’s genitals.

Parents do not own their biological offspring, you Bronze Age regressed fool.

“Fairly good try ash but not here because I’m a well rounded happy person that doesn’t rely on sexual gratification to make me feel good and help others be successful in their daily journey.”

Who’s attacking your character, up until now, defensive victim?
Suppressed victimization and active denial much, Rollo?

“Maybe some self reflection might help you with your issues?”

Actually you need to self-reflect and realize that your insecure, mutilated penis ego needed for his son to have a matching penis, so therefore you subjected him to the same insanity, that your parents subjected you to.

That’s the main ‘reason’ why you perpetuated the idiocy, for another generation.

“Just trying to help lol. Besides your weak response I don’t know how me knowing what a real orgasm feels like has to do with this pretty irrelevant to this discussion and argument your trying to manifest.”

Are you really an Indonesian woman or an Egyptian woman in denial, defending her Sunna?

Reflect on that.

“Don’t forget we were given sex organs to populate not make ourselves feel pleasure. Perhaps you have gotten away from the original purpose because of your over sensitive penis?”

“Don’t forget” superstitious nonsense?
If you honestly believe that we, as a species were “given” sex organs, by an Invisible Sky Daddy, named Yahweh or somesuch, and that we were meant only to reproduce, with our sex organs, as if we were some sort of sheepish human livestock chattel, then you truly are gullible fool of colossal proportions.

I find it kinda funny May 9, 2015 at 5:33 PM

That so many women posting here think their opinion is relevant, yet they’re the first ones to cry about how men should have no say in women’s reproductive rights. If you don’t want to hear my opinion about your uterus, shut up about my penis.

Yay rollo tomasi May 9, 2015 at 7:18 PM

It’s called God numb nuts you shouldn’t trash him he’ll bring you to your knees. Sounds he might have already from your unhappy, narrow minded and angry stance and inability to engage in an adult conversation. I hope one day you get with it. I’ll pray for you you need it.

Yay rollo tomasi May 9, 2015 at 7:23 PM

Your meek attempts to sound intelligent by random big word usage is offset by your childish name calling , finger pointing responses . It makes me giggle at your asinine assumptions as to who I am in life . You have been way off every single attempt. If only you knew. Stop making an a$$ of your self ash with all this assuming. Hehe

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 11:23 PM

Am I banned?

Test..

Ash Clayborne May 9, 2015 at 11:34 PM

..

“Your meek attempts to sound intelligent by random big word usage is offset by your childish name calling , finger pointing responses . It makes me giggle at your asinine assumptions as to who I am in life . You have been way off every single attempt. If only you knew. Stop making an a$$ of your self ash with all this assuming. Hehe”

Attempt? What attempt? What are you talking about, Rollo?

You do believe that there is an omniscient authoritarian figure of The Omniverse, who you call “God”, who is intimately involved in the ethical and moral affairs of humans, demanding ritual blood atonemets, for ‘Original Sin’ and flesh trinkets of baby penises, on what is effectively, a planetary body, which is proportionally equivalent, in relative size to that of a micron of a single particle of piece of cosmic dust, in relation to the size of the rest of the known physical Universe.

That is absurd, infantile and narcissistic as can be, Rollo.

Just grow the f up FFS, old fool.

Rollo Tomasi May 10, 2015 at 12:06 AM

@ Patrick:

“Face reality and forgive your well meaning parents for a mistake they made due to ignorance or being misguided. I have forgiven mine, but am still mad as hell that this bogus societal “Norm” compromised my quality of life.”

In order to forgive someone, one must be injured or trespassed against in some way, real or perceived. I haven’t been, neither by my parents nor by the medical community. If you want to lay your feelings of anger and betrayal for some perceived injury at the feet of your parents, blaming them for your shortcomings and inadequacies, vaya con Dios.

Rollo Tomasi May 10, 2015 at 12:18 AM

@ Ash:

“Your compulsive desire, for your son’s penis to match yours, was the reason that you had your son’s penis clamped, crushed, scraped-out and cut-up.”

I invite you to review my posts and let me know which one refers to my having a son, or anything about circumsizing any male children of mine. Once you have completed that, you’ll realize that you are the “idiot of low intelligence” of which you wrote, and you’ll know why you and your pseudo-intellectual psycho babble are dismissed.

Arrogance is the antithesis of true intellect.

thx4youropinion May 10, 2015 at 7:11 AM

@#174 — You sound like a member of NOCIRC out of San Rafael — a very bizarre cult fascinated with foreskins. That group doesn’t thrive on a purpose; it thrives on a fetish:

http://goo.gl/SNSH7k

Note to Brian with the red pants at Treat/Oak Grove: Either you are this poster through another moniker, or you approve of this type of support and his anti-Christ sentiments, or you are a member of NOCIRC. No wonder media doesn’t want anything to do with you.

Fortunately, not every man who has not been circumcised agrees with this group’s philosophies.

The part that I find interesting in the attached is that members include pedophiles …

Ash Clayborne May 10, 2015 at 9:23 AM

You should really stop lying, Rollo.

Silva May 10, 2015 at 9:57 AM

When talking with my mom after the birth of my son the subject came up that he was not circumsized. She said that none of the men in her family had been either. I asked her if she knew why not, were they too far from a doctor.. or what? She responded that it was because they were Christians.

Silva May 10, 2015 at 9:58 AM

Lots of ministers in the ancestry.

. May 10, 2015 at 10:03 AM

Yet abortion (unborn child) is ok? Under the guise of a “woman’s choice?”

How “barbaric” is that?

I see a bunch of hypocrites here,…..

Rollo Tomasi May 10, 2015 at 10:32 AM

@ Ash:

Once again I invite you to review my posts, and this time inform me which one has a religious or any reference to spirituality of any kind. You won’t do this of course – your complete and utter lack of intellectual honesty leaves you incapable of doing anything except using your online thesaurus to attempt to look actually intelligent. You’ve not only been dismissed, you’ve now been exposed, skippy. Vaya con Dios.

thx4youropinion May 10, 2015 at 10:35 AM

LOL @ Ash Clayborne (or is it REALLY Flash PlayPorn) — Read your comments from beginning to end.

You’ve gone off the deep end, boy. The matter between your ears is stuck; it has lodged inside your head and has fried.

tick … Tick … TICK … BOOM!

(P.S. — Happy Mother’s Day to Ash Clayborne’s Mom!)

Ash Clayborne May 10, 2015 at 11:21 AM

“Yet abortion (unborn child) is ok? Under the guise of a “woman’s choice?”

How “barbaric” is that?

I see a bunch of hypocrites here,…..”

Ad hominem straw-man argument.

Why would you make the assumption that people, who are against RIC are pro-abortion, when in fact, that is not the case?

Ash Clayborne May 10, 2015 at 11:58 AM

“I invite you to review my posts and let me know which one refers to my having a son, or anything about circumsizing any male children of mine. ”

You stated, that you allegedly had a son, who died of “heart disease” at age 15 and that he never made it to an age, where he would be aware of the erogenous value of his prepuce.

If that’s true, then yes.. you really did have his penis mutilated.

That’s why you’re here, defending the mutilation of infants’ penises, genius.

BTW, the word describing the penile-reduction procedure is spelled ‘circumcised, not “circumsized”, no matter how much you want to believe that your penis was enlarged and improved, through an amputation, which actually reduced in size and erogenously-downgraded your penis.

Sick Of It May 10, 2015 at 12:04 PM

Ash is all burnt up over others foreskins.

Take it easy on the commas, they are innocents.

Ash Clayborne May 10, 2015 at 12:05 PM

My mistake. You didn’t state that.

It was eyes 123.. or whatever she calls herself.

Yet, you’re still a cut man, who has latent pain, regarding his own circumcision and is too much of spineless weakling to face it, so you feel compelled to victim-shame other men, who have faced-up to what was inflicted upon them and have made a stand, as a real man and father, to not pass the self-wounding, superstitious idiocy on to the next generation.

Angela Logic May 10, 2015 at 12:19 PM

1) To everyone telling this man to “get a job”: HE COULD HAVE A JOB AND WORK LATER HOURS YOU NITWITS. Just because someone is not on the commute convoy at 8 am, doesn’t mean they don’t work from 3-11 pm somewhere. The person could also be retired. So how about we store the Joe Friday “Cut Your Hair Cut And Get A Job, Hippie” routine and stick to what is relevant to the topic at hand.

2) To everyone who is essentially saying men are too sexed-up as it is and the last thing we should do is make it more pleasurable because they’ll just want more: ARE YOU LISTENING TO YOURSELVES? *THAT* is one of the main reasons they mutilate little girls in the cultures that remove the clitoris – so they will not enjoy sex in any way. In fact, based on the comments I have seen here, many of you would probably endorse that practice if you could get away with it, to reduce all those sluts around here.

IT IS MUTILATION FOR EITHER SEX!

If it was so dangerous to be uncircumcised, mankind would have never made it to be having this discussion. By contrast, the circumsizing of boys over the years has not caused a mass die-off of little boys, but just because it didn’t kill them, doesn’t make it right. If there was an advantage to not having a foreskin, it would have disappeared in the thousands of years man has existed on this planet. But boys are still born with them, just as they have always been, and unless there is a deformity or disease that makes it necessary, it should be left alone. If an adult man wants to remove it, that’s his choice. Adults do all kinds of crazy (to others) things. Tattoos on eyelids, scrotal piercings, having their legs broken so they be taller, facial reconstruction (not for repair, cosmetic)…but they are adults making a decision with consent on their part.

Would you have a doctor to break your child’s legs for a procedure in an attempt to make him taller because taller men **look better**?

Leave those poor baby boys alone. The men in my family are fully intact, and all are happy and healthy. Any future boys in our family would be afforded the same respect.

If they choose otherwise, at least that choice was theirs, spoken in words – not in wails.

Ash Clayborne May 10, 2015 at 1:27 PM

“Ash is all burnt up over others foreskins.

Take it easy on the commas, they are innocents.

187”

Were you ‘allowed’ to retain yours?

It maters not whether you are female or male, you were born with a prepuce.

Either way, that part of the human anatomy is very personal and makes life more bearable. It is our Natural birthright, to retain our most private and intimate part.

Yes we can still engage in sexual intercourse and reproduce, if we are without our prepuces, but that’s not the point, were not chattel.

Our bodies, including the entirety of our very personal sex organs, belong to us literally personally, not our biological mothers or fathers, but to us personally. In the absence of any disease, performing a genital surgery on an newborn infant, often times, with no local anesthesia, is about the most insanely horrid thing to do.

Hugh7 May 10, 2015 at 4:45 PM

(I was #131)
#134 @Rollo Tomasi
I didn’t say you’d be mad at your parents. They were deceived. You still don’t know what you’re missing.

#137 @thx4youropinion May 9, 2015 at 7:30 AM

Yes, I am for real.

” Your response to ConcordMike: ” The rest of the developed world doesn’t do it, and doesn’t have any outbreaks of any of the things it’s supposed to be good against.” Prove it. Give us CDC stats and figures.

The CDC is only concerned with health in the US. 38 top paediatricians (heads and spokespeople for the paediatric associations of Austria, Britain, Denmark, England, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden, and the Netherlands, and senior paediatricians in Canada, the Czech Republic, France and Poland) have said:

“There is growing consensus among physicians, including those in the United States, that physicians should discourage parents from circumcising their healthy infant boys because non-therapeutic circumcision of underage boys in Western societies has no compelling health benefits, causes postoperative pain, can have serious long-term consequences, constitutes a violation of the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of the Child, and conflicts with the Hippocratic oath: primum non nocere: First, do no harm”

” Your response to Really: “So you think it’s OK to subject them to genital cutting, but not know what was done to them?” You KNOW what was done?
If we’re talking about infant male genital cutting (“circumcision”) yes.

” (And you are swaying from the topic of foreskin to a penis cut-off.) No, “circumcision” is infant male genital cutting. Are you sure you know what it entails? Watch a few videos with the sound turned up.

” Your response to KAD: “Your dad’s case is NO reason to do it to babies.” Your OPINION is no reason to stop the procedure.

They are only cutting parts off babies’ penises based on their opinions. Human rights are more than mere opinions. They are enshrined in documents like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Declaration of the Rights of the Child. Though they don’t mention male genital cutting directly, they do so implicilty. The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe has passed a resolution against it.

” Your response to My 2 cents: Taking that entire blah-blah as one statement, what is your opinion about sex change operations?

Your question is utterly irrelevant to my response to My 2 cents, but: –
When adults volunteer for sex-change operations, they should be free to have them – same as other genital cutting. They shouldn’t be imposed on children without consent – same as other genital cutting. (That includes “sex assignment surgery” on children with Differences of Sexual Development, DSD)

” Your response to me: Taking that assumption as one brief statement, what is your opinion about sex change operations?
As above.

“The doctors have the ability to make a male to female capable of being sexually aroused, but the inability to keep the sacred foreskin “aftereffect” in the penis? How do you know? Have you discussed this with medical practitioners–and if so, who?”

Not sure what you’re getting at here, but I know of MtF transsexuals who are mad as hell they were cut as infant, because doctors could have used their foreskins to help make their vaginas.

” Your response to Pandora HD: “That’s very rare in countries where babies are left alone and men are under no social pressure to have it done.” Prove it. On what do you base this rather generic claim?

An estimate from the health department of Finland was that six men in 100,000 wanted or needed genital cutting in their lifetime. That is the origin of the common “1 in 16,667″ figure. Adult voluntary genital cutting would have to be VERY prevalent – certainly more than 50% – before it would be ethical to do it to babies without consent.

” Your response to Monte Carlo: “Children do have a basic human right to be protected from harm, such as unnecessary body modifications.” Do you include ear piercings in this rather bizarre classification calling it a “body modification?”

Of course male genital cutting is a body modification! The body is permanetly modified! What did you think happens? Ear piercing is more borderline since no tissue is removed and the hole will close over if the person chooses to leave the earrings out, but I don’t think it should be done to children.

And who protects this “human right” and based upon what law?

We’re working on it. It’s already illegal to tattoo a child, to pierce a child’s genitals, to cut or even symbolically pinprick a girl’s genitals (barring pressing medical need), to cut any other such part off a baby, like an earlobe or a little toe, to circumcise a household pet (yes, animals have more rights than baby boys), or to circumcise a non-consenting man – and every circumcised boy grows up to be a man who did not consent. So it’s actually just a little loophole we want to close.

” Your response to Atticus Thraxx: “You have your priorities, we have ours. You have no more right to impose your priorities on us than parents and doctors have to impose knives on healthy babies’ bodies.” Wait a minute, guy! Now you’re calling it a “priority” and back-pedaling from your claim that the parent has no right to determine whether or not their child is circumcised.

“Priorities” refers to the proposition that Brian should be doing something with a higher priority (according to Thraxx). I’m not calling infant male genital cutting a priority.

” Your response to Rollo Tomasi: “If you knew what you are missing, you’d be mad as hell.” But YOU know? How?

Because I have what he’s missing.

” Your response to RunDogRun: “A study in Denmark found cut men have MORE PE than whole men.” “A” study. Denmark. That speaks for the world?

Studies have to be held somewhere. Why not Denmark? The anatomy is the same worldwide.

” Your response to Family Guy: “In that case we need more kooks who are at least a little nuts. You’d include MLK and Rosa Parks and the Suffragettes in that category?” They spoke for society as a whole.

MLK and RP certainly didn’t speak for white society as a whole, nor Suffragettes for men at their time, and they met stiff opposition. MLK was shot, remember. Women were jailed and fed by force. Society has moved to take their views for granted, thanks to people with signs, among other things. That is what is going to happen with infant male genital cutting. You’re on the wrong side of history.

” And their actions were not blaming everyone else for what their mama and doctor did (or didn’t do).
No, they had different issues. Who is blaming “everybody else”? Infant male genital cutting is embedded in US culture. It’s going to take a lot of different kinds of effort to root it out. Standing on street corners is one way. Answering folly with sense is another.

Hugh7 May 10, 2015 at 5:01 PM

#177 thx4youropinion
Your link is to the personal website of Professor of molecular biology Brian Morris, who has never seen a reason to cut a baby he didn’t like, including “to prevent zipper injury” and “to prevent Bathroom Splatter”. If you search on “circumstitions morris” you’ll find documentation of him playing fast and loose with the facts.
He really has a nerve linking Intactivists with pedophiles when his own publisher is now serving time for that offence, and on Facebook he Likes a group called “Circumsexual Pride”. (“Circumsexual” is what circumcision-fetishists – people who get off on the operation itself – call themselves.)

RunDogRun May 10, 2015 at 5:02 PM

@Ash Claybourne

“How does having what is, by far the most sensitive part of one’s penis amputated, against one’s own consent, NOT have a significant impact one one’s life?”

It has exactly the significance you give
it. If you let it, it and your feelings about
it, can destroy you. Since there is very
little you can do about it now, I would
choose to accept it and put my energy
into making sure I was the happiest
guy on the planet. I would work on
getting the most enjoyment out of
my sexual experiences that it was
possible to get. Make it work for
you, not against you.

Patrick May 10, 2015 at 8:35 PM

RE Rollo #175
“If you want to lay your feelings of anger and betrayal for some perceived injury at the feet of your parents, blaming them for your shortcomings and inadequacies, vaya con Dios.”
Rollo, You aren’t making any sense. My shortcomings and inadequacies are the direct result of whoever decided that I only needed part of the body that I was born with. That was most likely my parents. I will never know for sure. If it was my parents, I forgive them. That doesn’t change the fact that I am a substandard human being. I was born a first class complete human being. However, due to someone’s ignorance, misguidedness, and/or greed, I am now a second class male. Amputation of a body part complete with blood, scaring, and recovery is not a Perceived Injury. It is Real. Even if circumcision had some slight benefit, sending a helpless infant from the womb to the operating room for unnecessary surgery can’t be rationalized. It is a human rights violation no matter who is responsible.

thx4youropinion May 10, 2015 at 10:13 PM

@Hugh7 #191 — Quite frankly, I consider BOTH sides ludicrous at best.

And, I have been with both (i.e., skin and minus skin). My son’s father was minus skin. We agreed the same for our son.

Regardless, no one from the outside, wearing a red beacon between his legs — or not — is going to TELL ME what I should/should not do with my baby. Or about pretended “birth rights.”

You certainly may stand on street corners looking like a Calgary of pissed off schmucks because parents agreed to have docs remove flaps.

If it was your parents, take it up with them.

Your problem is in trying to convince an audience after the fact.

(And your protests aren’t very convincing when considering the number of homeless men out there with STD, HIV, etc. — and flaps that haven’t been washed in God knows how long…).

Concernicus May 11, 2015 at 7:26 AM

MRA are always good for a laugh.

Ash Clayborne May 11, 2015 at 8:16 AM

Yeah.. it’s a real hoot, when someone forcibly-removes part of someone’s genitals, whether that person be female or male.

BTW, what makes you assume that male genital mutilation is exclusively a men’s rights issue?

Would it be a good laugh, if you were protesting about having your foreskin and or labia forcibly cut?

Honestly though.. WTF is wrong with you? Ate you even human?

Ash Clayborne May 11, 2015 at 8:21 AM

Are you female or male, Concernicus?

;And yes it’s very relevant to this discussion.

Hugh7 May 11, 2015 at 5:07 PM

#193 @thx4youropinion
@Hugh7 #191 — Quite frankly, I consider BOTH sides ludicrous at best.

Then why do you take the (ludicrous) cutting side?

“And, I have been with both (i.e., skin and minus skin). My son’s father was minus skin. We agreed the same for our son.”
Is this another “he should match his father” case? Isn’t he lucky his father hadn’t lost a hand or an eye, then! And what if HE doesn’t agree?

” Regardless, no one from the outside, wearing a red beacon between his legs — or not — is going to TELL ME what I should/should not do with my baby.”
The cry of the child abuser down the ages.

“Or about pretended “birth rights.””
Pretended? If a human being doesn’t have a right, from birth till death to the ownership of her or his own body, what right does she or he have?

” If it was your parents, take it up with them.”
I don’t have to. They had more sense.

” Your problem is in trying to convince an audience after the fact.”
Indeed, people will do anything to justify their bad decisions – anything except admit they were wrong. But it is not only those people who are reading this, and we hope to reach others before they make your mistake.

” (And your protests aren’t very convincing when considering the number of homeless men out there with STD, HIV, etc. — and flaps that haven’t been washed in God knows how long…)”
How many parents look at their newborn baby and say “We’d better cut parts off him now because he’s going to get STD and HIV and be homeless and unwashed”?.

Interesting you call foreskins “flaps”. So you have no objection to cutting flaps off baby girls? And how about your own?

Concernicus May 12, 2015 at 3:21 PM

@197: I am exactly none of your business. Foreskin removal is what men who don’t have real problems complain about.

Hugh7 May 19, 2015 at 2:43 AM

“Foreskin removal is what men who don’t have real problems complain about.”
You can only speak for yourself. A botch that has seriously impacted on a man’s sexual functioning is certainly a real problem. A baby who dies, or nearly dies, from genital cutting, like these – http://www.circumstitions.com/Complic.html#haemorrhage – is a real problem.

And aren’t you too complaining?

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