The Water Cooler – Fast Food Workers

September 4, 2014 12:00 pm · 95 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

Today, fast food workers around the country are committing acts of civil disobedience while rallying for $15 minimum wages.

Do you support the fast food workers, or do you think what they’re doing is ridiculous? 

Talk about it….

Mr. Pink September 4, 2014 at 12:02 PM

$15/hr seems high for a fast-food gig. Should depend more on the area and the COL, not just a blanket wage for the industry.

The Mamba September 4, 2014 at 12:06 PM

If you don’t like working for minimum wage, get the skills necessary to get a better job. Minimum wage types of jobs are for kids in high school, not able bodied adults.

Doug September 4, 2014 at 12:10 PM

The minimum wage should be at least $15 per hour.

Anon777 September 4, 2014 at 12:12 PM

I support raising the minimum wage. I support people peacefully protesting. I don’t support rioting or destruction.

Totally Ridiculous September 4, 2014 at 12:16 PM

They took their jobs knowing how much minimum wage is, and knowing that it is not easily increased.

I know minimum wage now is not a lot, but they should have thought of that before they decided to end their education at the highschool level and forego any kind of college education.

AClaycordian September 4, 2014 at 12:18 PM

“Fast food employee” is a no-education-needed, menial manual labor job designed as interim employment, that could be replaced by a robot. There’s no justification for an hourly wage of $15. Frankly all the protesting employees should be fired. If the bottom of the barrel jobs like that are suddenly paid $15 per hour, prepare for a wave of hyperinflation, where your specialized, education-required wages suddenly have a lot less buying power.

Killjoy September 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Let’s face it. If those jobs actually did pay $15 an hour, do those people think they’d actually qualify for the positions????

Anon September 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM

If they want a higher wage they need to go to school to learn English and get a GED.

Frank September 4, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Dire Straits: “Money For Nothing”
These are entry level jobs, not rocket science!
Want more? Apply yourselves, move up, move on to more rewarding careers.
Quit whining about the circumstances & get out of them.
If entry level businesses cave & have to pay more for for little return, hours will be cut for current employees & they will be reluctant to hire others.

anon September 4, 2014 at 12:25 PM

More power to them. Next demand would be health care, paid vacation, right to unionize. Not necessarily in that order.

GRX September 4, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Fastfood restaurant work is entry level employment. It gets your feet in the door to build experience. It is not a “career’ and should serve to as a stepping stone to better paying employment positions.

A “living wage” is not an entitlement although those on the left portray it as so… And that’s a lie.

Futurama September 4, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Pay for the effort not the scale. Minimum wage is too low. And too many hard workers get penalized due to their position and the lazy asses around them.

Bigger Problem September 4, 2014 at 12:34 PM

These are no-skill jobs best suited for students and should not make any more money. If there are truly NO other jobs available for someone to develop some skills and obtain, then we have a much larger problem than the minimum wage.

@37 September 4, 2014 at 12:35 PM

The free market should dictate how businesses remain able to make a profit, including what they are able and willing to pay employees. When businesses fail, it should be because they couldn’t succeed within market parameters. When the government dictates a business’s employee costs, owners no longer have control over that part of their business plan. Government loves to raise the minimum wage because it makes employees happy (temporarily) while forcing the consumer to pay those higher costs through higher prices. It also results in major changes in the federal tax picture (employees may now owe more taxes).

If you want to do X job for Y pay, then do it. If you decide not to pay more for products offered, walk away and buy elsewhere. Let the free market work (it started with Stone Age man and worked fine for millennia).

Government makes a mess of almost everything it touches.

qemi September 4, 2014 at 12:36 PM

I love the compassion displayed by Claycordians. First of all, these are poor people working at fast food jobs, that have to survive before thinking about higher education.

I couldn’t live on $15 per hour, it is still a very low wage. Lets see MacDonalds survive without these unskilled workers. They can’t, if they could they would.

Stop blaming poor people for being so unsightly. If that’s your case then you ought to advocate for birth control.

Sick Of It September 4, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Kinda like a Participation Award but in cash. Never mind they have zero skills yet were fortunate enough to be given a opportunity to make money. Another angle as mentioned: they accepted their wage at hire, until they make a higher position they may deserve .50 raises every 6 months based on performance & punctually, not demand a jump to $15 because some thug in a suit give them some Kool-Aid and they drank two glasses.

California Nightmare September 4, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Dumb idea. Will create massive unemployment for young people, who need a place to start and learn how to work in a disciplined environment.

What we really need is a two tier minimum wage. An entry level wage of $8/hr for those who have never worked or who have not worked for a taxable wage in over six months, and a higher minimum wage (maybe $10/hour) for those who have worked for the same employer for more than 2,000 hours (one year full time).

That way high school kids and college kids can find work, and employers will have to pay more for those with more experience. .

What security September 4, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Fast food or slow food They deserve a a better wage, especially from a 90 billion $$ company.

What a load September 4, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Why only $15 an hr ? Why not $50 an hr,? You could live on that right? Menial jobs a monkey could do don’t deserve that much money. This is nothing more than a union power grab to bolster their dwindling numbers. When a hamburger costs $17 and people stop patronizing, then you priced yourself out of a job. Or you are bumped up to the next tax bracket and end up taking less home, then you will cry for more. It never ends.

East Bay Velo Works September 4, 2014 at 12:47 PM

I am thankful I have my own small business. That way I might be able to provide a job to my son when he becomes a teenager. The fast food jobs are for kids first jobs not adult careers. Grow Up People!

Random Thoughts September 4, 2014 at 12:48 PM

My random thoughts.

I wouldn’t want the job for $15/hour.
Not everyone can be a low-skill but still overpaid public sector worker.
Everyone I’ve encountered in a fast food restaurant speaks English well enough to get the job done. Not as true when I call for product support. (Although Astound is awesome)
What they’re doing is not all that different than what your relatives did during the Industrial Revolution.
If they are so easy to replace, they will be fired and replaced. But somehow I don’t think it is as easy to find good hard-working people to do the job as some of you assume.

The Realist September 4, 2014 at 12:53 PM

FIRE all that skipped work today.. bring in the next batch of high school drop outs to fill the positions. Rinse repeat. Works for walmart.

The Authority September 4, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Anyone who believes that government should dictate terms and conditions for private transactions has not paid any attention to the free market/capitalist model which has brought so much prosperity to America. When geniuses like FDR and Nixon instituted wage caps and price freezes, they laid the groundwork for many of the economic problems we face today. It is amazing that we live in a country that was founded on a tax revolt (a few cents on tea) but now we let government take 40% off the top of our pay checks and we look to incompetent politicians (whom polls say we all hate and don’t trust) to dictate, regulate and skim from every transaction we make. Wake up and be the captain of your own life, stop voting away your personal sovereignty to glad handing, two-faced, incompetent strangers. Are Jerry Brown, Mark DeSaulnier and Susan Bonilla REALLY more qualified to dictate your spending than YOU? Are Barrack Obama (community activist, college professor) and George Miller (lifetime politician via inheritance) really worried about YOUR finances, or just wrangling more voters to name new buildings and bridges after them? Geez people, stop dictating to people how much THEY should pay THEIR employees, and start worrying about making a better life for yourself. If $15 min. wage is such a great idea, go start a business on your own dime and pay your burger flippers $15 an hour. Or $20. Or $50. It’s your money. Let us know how that great idea works out.

Sacto Rob September 4, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Too many people refuse to understand the link between wages and productivity. If companies pay their workers more than the value of the goods and services they produce, the company will either fail, or be forced to raise its prices to cover the difference. Those prices will nullify the impact of any raises. Restaurants operate at a very slim profit margin. Sure, a huge company rakes in millions in profits, but that’s because thousands of locations are each kicking in a small percentage of the small profit margin. That doesn’t make those companies greedy or evil, It just means they are successful. The problem is our country’s loss of high-paying, broad-based manufacturing jobs, which has occurred for a multitude of reasons. Forced wage increases will do nothing to solve that problem.

@14 September 4, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Free market will dictate you work 14 hours a day, seven days a week. If you don’t want to the next guy will. To survive on the $3/hr they pay.

jtkatec September 4, 2014 at 1:07 PM

What do poll workers make?

Bob the Repairman September 4, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Why stop at $15 an hour? Make it $25 or $35 an hour. Where is the cutoff?
Would you pay $12 for a Big Mac to allow the owners to make money?

WTF? September 4, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Ask the steelworkers how this worked out for them. Robots will take most of these jobs if this passes.

SF CityGirl September 4, 2014 at 1:10 PM

I do not support the fast food worker’s message. Those job’s were designed from the beginning of the industry, as a temporary job to be worked by mostly teenagers. Those jobs and wages were not designed to turn into a career. Get your act together, and you your self could avoid a future in fast food.

Mark b September 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM

So we make it hard on business every way we can then they leave the country taking the skilled jobs with them.

We hardly make anything in this country anymore so lets make it harder on the business left by raising the pay for people who’s only skill is tossing tomatoes on burgers.

Get ready for fully automated fast food coming to a location near you!
That is where these jobs are going to go.

WTF September 4, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Minimum wage served as a motivator for me: graduate high school, graduate college, graduate from grad school, take out tons of student loans which I repaid, grow my brain, add skills, sacrifice a LOT when I was young & studied loooooong hours. Have had a great career and easily clear $200K/ year with benefits. Also contribute a lot to charities, have a beautiful family, home, vacations, etc.

If you don’t work toward a goal, you’ll always be someone’s grunt. Stop whining and work for it.

The Professor September 4, 2014 at 1:18 PM

You are a moron who needs to take a basic economics class.

“Lets see MacDonalds survive without these unskilled workers.” This goes right to the heart of “supply and demand”. If the supply of poorly skilled laborers fell, then the salary offered by McDonalds (the correct spelling, by the way) would rise to a level needed to bring in the necessary workers. As it is now, since there are multitudes of unskilled workers who will happily snap up a menial job at the current wages, McDonalds does not need to raise its pay.

If you want a high paying job, don’t drop out of school, get an education, apply yourself, don’t do drugs, don’t get pregnant, and stop blaming the other guy for your life’s disappointments.

Typical Claycordian September 4, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Typical losers looking for a handout… guess what, you don’t DESERVE a living wage unless you earn it. Can’t make enough money to eat? Too bad. Can’t afford to feed your children? Too bad. We really need to let these LEECHES die off!!!!!!!!!!

Dorothy September 4, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Think about how low the federal minimum wage actually is. Then think about how much is taken out of that minimum wage for taxes, social security, etc. and et al. California as a state has better than the federal minimum wage but still has a lot taxes, SS, etc. taken out. Many of the entry level jobs these days are only part time hourly positions. Now consider the kind of jobs being offered these days and ask yourself if you, or even your entry level teen or college student, could actually live on that kind of income. Do factor in the rising cost of everything while you’re at it.

What security September 4, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Fastfood is all junk anyway. You go on eat your chemicals. Yum Yum
No job in California should be under $15.00 an hour.
90 billion company and they want to pay 8.00 LOL then they take that 90 billion pay lobbyist to pass laws that allow them not to pay you overtime or health benefits. LOL you are lambs if you think otherwise.

Queen of the Universe September 4, 2014 at 1:32 PM

The ripple effect of raising the wages….

Fast-food restaurant forced to raise prices for their product, fewer people can afford their fast food, people turn to grocery stores for cheaper (and possibly healthier) food, diabete rates lower, cholesterol rates lower, medical costs decrease…… YEAH!!!

Pyrrhus September 4, 2014 at 1:35 PM

You people are hilarious. Do you really think McDonald’s is going to go out of business because they pay their employees a higher wage? Why doesn’t In N Out go out of business? If wages go up, businesses will just pass the expense to the consumer.

I have no problem with non-essential businesses (Public necessities) worker’s striking for better wages. If you treat your employees with respect and pay them a fair wage you will see far less turnover, higher morale, and increased productivity. Without workers, a business can’t operate.

Sick Of It September 4, 2014 at 1:38 PM

I was 14 I worked weekends for my Dad as a hod carrier, by the time I was 17 my parents divorced. No choice but to go with Mom. I was a big kid used to making 50.00 a day in the late 70’s! I took a driving job at 17 (min. wage) and quickly humbled my attitude I decided I needed to get my act together. Low wage jobs have a direct motivation. I do not support these whiners, they are not entitled as they think, anyone can replace them.
Remember Big Business Haters if it weren’t for those Evil Rich People this would be a 3rd World Country providing your laundry list of things to cry about validated…….is that what you really want?

Idiocracy September 4, 2014 at 1:40 PM

I’m with all the people that say no on this… If you want more learn more and apply yourself….this strike garbage reminds me of little kids when they don’t get a happy meal

Pink Undies September 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM

Ridiculous. It’s nobody’s fault but your own if you have no skills and find yourself slaving away at the local fast food joint for low wages. These people should probably leave the work force all together and maybe even the country. They are clogging up the entry level workforce. These jobs were meant for teens and young adults just starting out and needing experience in the work force.

instagramma September 4, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Take an Economics class!

Sick Of It September 4, 2014 at 1:54 PM

@What security, I’d like to see the facts: McDonalds nets 90 million a year? I call Mcdonalds is a 90 million a year industry (big difference). Please show your facts before you recruit your own herd.
A fast food worker (non-management) receiving healthcare for job a few generations of control breeding moneys could perform?
Come on now.

Thank you.

student September 4, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Federal student workers at Los Medanos College only made $9/hr and they are trying to obtain the skills necessary to advance in the job market. What makes fast food workers more deserving of higher wages?

student September 4, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Oh and before the minimum wage increase that took place at the end of the fiscal year, they were only making $8.19/hr.

Elisa September 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM

I am a legal assistant with a college degree and I earn $14.00/hr. My sister-in-law, who is an EMT, also has a college degree and earns roughly $12.00/hr. These are both skilled positions that require a great deal of knowledge and we barely earn enough to get by each month, BUT we know that everyone has to start from the bottom. I would consider it highly insulting if I knew burger-flippers were earning more than me and my sister-in-law when we worked our asses off getting an education.

qemi September 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Brainiacs at Claycord– show me one example of free market anywhere in the history of the world please. You say Somalia? Yes, that’s true, but no place that I’d want to live.

Fast Food is ghetto food and you support the demise of America if you think that we can have a decent society with hoards of poor people? Have you not noticed the over-population? The increase in crime? This is all related to the fact that we discourage birth control for the poor.

I have advanced degrees and make a good living- however, I care about those less fortunate than me. These workers are from from Mexico and South America and Republican corporatists exploit them.

The society that you are proposing- every man for himself, arming yourselves and to hell with everyone else is not where I want to live. Yuck

Scooter September 4, 2014 at 2:21 PM

What a sad country we have become. Stupid people earning minimum wage are just leeches who have no skills and in fact are not even considered human beings. They should all just die and then we would all be better off. Take, take, take. That is all they do. Do you realize how much more the CEO of McDonalds could make if they would just accept their status as scum and work for near nothing like people in other countries do.

Pyrrhus got it pretty close to right. At a McDonalds the first person you see is the underpaid, uneducated high school scum behind the counter. Oh, wait. Seems like the average age of fast food workers is around 35. Educated people. People that have been laid off. People that, thanks to their compassionate Republican representatives, have lost their unemployment benefits so that if they even want to be able to afford to look for work must take a job at McDonalds or WalMart or other multi-billion dollar companies that have made their enormous profits by paying the employees the least they can.

Start my own business, as one brilliant poster suggested. I did. And I paid my employees well above a fair wage and in return they enjoyed their job and took pride in their work. We, me and them, were more successful because of it.

Why stop at $15? Why not $100? That is the most childish, lame argument I have ever heard. Raising the minimum wage will not raise the price of a hamburger to $20. I saw an independent study that showed raising the average salary of a WalMart worker $10,000 per year and leaving the profits just like they are would cost the average shopper $2.64 more a year.

It amazes me that the same religious conservatives that go to church every Sunday [and Wednesday and Thursday etc] have no feelings for their fellow man…..unless, of course, their fellow man happens to believe the same as them.

Call me a libertard or whatever. If it means that I care about my fellow man than it is a label I will wear proudly.

More $$$$ September 4, 2014 at 2:23 PM

I support raising minimum wage. Let’s make it 100.00/ hr. Then everyone would have plenty of $$$$ Right ?

ANYONE supporting this has ZERO understanding of how a free market works SUCCESSFULLY.


The Grant September 4, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Was told in Japan that fast food places are usually staffed by 2 people while the rest is all automated (e.g. kiosk vs. cashier).

These jobs are entry-level and most suited for teenagers not wayward, blundering adults.

Nick September 4, 2014 at 2:26 PM

If fast food gets $15/hr then everyone else below that will want more. What about health care workers that make less than $15? They are much more necessary to the work force than fast food workers. CNAs, LVNs they all make less than $15 and have gone thru certifications/schooling, and do more work than RNs. IMO Health care should get $15 minimum and fast food should stay the same as its not necessary. Health care will raise astronomically, this will create a huge problem all across the work force. HEALTH CARE WORKERS JOIN IN TOO!!!

Hypocrisy! September 4, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Most of you are putting down these workers wanting to earn a livable wage, and then complain that the same peoples welfare/foodstamp money is coming out of your paycheck…. Poor people just can’t win

Parent September 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Sooo, why am I sending my kid to college again? I should just make her quit, get a part time job, sign up for sec 8, receive discounts on everything, and live off the rest of the people trying to do it the right!

Anon September 4, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Doesn’t really matter…we’ll be paying for it one way or another. They either get their raise or stay on their food stamps.

Dennis September 4, 2014 at 2:40 PM

When higher paid jobs are vanishing, and being replaced with “shovel ready jobs” that are part time, the States and Federal government sees a huge drop in income tax revenue.
That leaves politicians with 4 options:
1 – create more high paying jobs, to keep the high level of tax revenues
2 – raise the taxes, so that each worker contributes more
3 – force an overall increase in the wages paid, so everyone is in a higher tax bracket, and contributes more
4 – reduce State and Federal spending to match the tax revenue coming in

since the trend is to replace high end jobs with unskilled low end jobs, the government will decide to raise minimum wage (and cause a ripple effect on all other wage to match), and raise taxes on essentials, like energy for heating, and gasoline.

Not only does your own gasoline cost go up, but all those trucks delivering goods to stores will not absorb their increase, so they will pass on those increases to the stores, which will pass it on to the customers …so you pay their tax increases as well.

And of course, as your tax burden goes up, the amount you live on goes down … triggering a new cycle of wage increases.

The one choice the government will not choose is spending less … that’s how the politiians buy votes.

Enfield303 September 4, 2014 at 2:40 PM

I tend to agree with most of the other posters on this one. Minimum wage isn’t meant to be a living wage. Even $15 an hour isn’t going to carry you very far. It’s meant for students and people just entering the workforce, and older folks as a supplemental income. Plus you signed a contract and agreed to the terms. Be glad you have a job in this tough economic environment.

Dennis September 4, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Why stop at paying more for a minimum wage?

Why not just have the government pay everyone a minimum wage, whether they work or not?

After all, that’s the socialist dream. Everyone works for the government, everyone gets paid by the government.

(of course, if everyone gets paid by the government, taxes have to go up to where they can pay everyone’s salaries … ie. 100%)

Just Me September 4, 2014 at 2:57 PM

If they get paid $15/hr will my big max finally look like the picture or are they still going to slap together a pile of slop?

Elwood September 4, 2014 at 3:11 PM

I favor a minimum wage of $50/hr. Then everyone will be rich and wonderfulness will prevail throughout the land.

Cord September 4, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Glad everyone doing well here, it’s too bad not everybody has their lives in order. I know people with a college degree, a masters degree, and even a PhD and they have a hard time finding a job. Education helps but doesn’t guarantee a job. At the low end of the work force you have people trying to survive. At least they are making the effort. Past is past trying surviving today on a real low part time wage.

Michelle September 4, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Minimum wage jobs were never meant to make someone self-sufficient with all of the extra amenities that go with a higher paying job.

tired of taxes September 4, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Did anyone complain when soda vending machines came out? Or when the ATM debuted?
Does anyone want to go back to telephone switchboard operating?

As previously mentioned, the robots are coming for those fast food jobs.
McDonald’s back in 2011 already started using a panel ordering system to replace an actual person taking your order and your money:

Heck, there already is a “cupcake ATM” in New York so “burger ATMs” shouldn’t be too far behind.
New York cupcake ATM:

But like the ATMs did not displace all those person tellers inside the bank, there will still be a period of overlap where you’ll have real people and robots doing the same job.
Then resistance to the idea of doing away with actual persons in the fastfood workflow and just using robotic/automated processes all-the-way will be more easily embraced.

tired of taxes September 4, 2014 at 3:30 PM

Just wait till the robots working in the fastfood industry start revolting because the robot government wants to take away their jobs because the last human has died and there are no more humans to serve burgers to.

anonanonagain September 4, 2014 at 3:32 PM

I worked at KFC during my high school years. The money I made went to pay for my gas, clothing for High School, movies and to put into savings. It was around $2.65 and then went up to $2.75. I knew then that this was not what I wanted to do for the rest of my life. I went to college and acquired a skill. Sadly, these jobs are now being offered to adults because it seems that many teenagers are too lazy or unmotivated to work AND the jobs are being handed to underskilled adults. My how things have changed. People should strive for a better future. Take night classes, get a degree or a new skill…..

Cowellian September 4, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Some people just aren’t worth minimum wage.

J September 4, 2014 at 4:01 PM

A minimum wage increase would be for ALL minimum wage workers, not just fast food workers-that includes many retail workers, legal assistants such as Claycord poster Elisa and her EMT sister-both of them college grads working in skilled positions working for less than $15..

Tomorrow go to lunch at a fast food place. This time of year there should be NO high schoolers working. Look around. I think you’ll find mostly adults, some with families working for minimum wage.

Civil disobedience is code for constitutionally protected activity that you don’t agree with.

Michelle(original) September 4, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Yes, $50/hr should be the minimum wage rate, right! I worked those minimum wage jobs during school, I knew I wasn’t going to flip a burger forever. Education does wonders.

@ Parent #52 & @ Qemi September 4, 2014 at 4:03 PM

I think @ Parent #52 nailed it.

Let’s just all explain to our kids that college education is a waste of time & money. I can advise my daughter that she’s better off going out and getting knocked up when she turns 16 so that she can get her rent paid, get her food paid for, all her medical bills covered and any number of other benefits that she and/or her baby and/or the baby daddy might qualify for.

@ Qemi – I’ll send my kid and my grandkid and the babby daddy over to your house so that you can take care of them all.

Miss Pearl September 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM

First check out what country has the highest minimum wage and how their economy is doing.
Then check which country has no minimum wage and see how their economy is doing.
I promise you – you will be surprised!
15.00 minimum wage is ludicrous!

IwenttoCVHSbeforeCVHSwascool September 4, 2014 at 4:25 PM

I want $5 per post i make on

Mimi (original) September 4, 2014 at 4:32 PM

I’m right there along with so many of you: too many of these fast food workers have absolutely no other skills and should not be paid more than the current minimum wage of $9.00/hr. It’s really frustrating to pull into a fast food restaurant and have someone babble at you in indecipherable “English” – I hate having to say over and over, “I’m sorry, but I don’t understand you!” Minimum wage is for uneducated, untrained jobs and that’s what it should remain. Go back to school! Learn English!

Beasty September 4, 2014 at 4:43 PM

I feel for the adults who work those jobs but that’s incentive to strive for more.

I agree with killjoy, if those Jobs paid $15/hour those people would no longer qualify as college grads would be applying lol.

It’s a job designed to be entry level and develop skills, you only need a couple hours training. Sadly there are no jobs so people are overqualified and work them in some areas.

$15/hour would drive up the cost and he dollar menus would be no more!

We're talking about the "trees" September 4, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Here’s the forest: (Quote, W.A. Root,11/11/13)

“The economy in deep decline; the disappearance of jobs; the annihilation of the middle class; the demonization of business owners; the destruction of small business with onerous regulations and taxes; the overwhelming debt and spending of out-of-control government; the millions of Americans losing their health insurance; and the unimaginable increase in dependency through welfare, food stamps, unemployment, disability, and now free health care.

It’s all easily explained when you hear what Obama and I learned at Columbia.”

Kirkwood September 4, 2014 at 5:02 PM

I’ve only read about half of the comments, and I side with keeping the minimum wage as it is.
But there is another side. Business owners like the immigrant workers, because they are reliable and happily work hard. You can’t say that about American kids today. My friend (recently deceased) has owned a couple of McDonalds until a couple of decades ago. Most of his workers at the San Pablo store were junior college students and despite over 100 workers, scheduling was a nightmare. Students found every excuse to be rescheduled or simply not show up for work. The turnover was high.

Kirkwood September 4, 2014 at 5:15 PM

I forgot to mention, the smart immigrant workers who can’t get a job, will find a way to get welfare and free stuff at food banks. We pay them to work, or not work. Their kids get free lunch at school even when school isn’t in session. Some schools provide breakfast also.

Typical Claycordian September 4, 2014 at 5:33 PM

@Scooter, why don’t you pay them out of your pocket if your such a wonderful human being… oh yeah thats right you LIBTARDS are only willing to spend OTHER peoples money. LET THEM DIE.

Atticus Thraxx September 4, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Tough call. One one hand $15/hr ain’t a lot of money. One the other those jobs were never supposed to provide anything but supplemental income, at least historically. If it was up to me I’d make it $10/hr with a ceiling of $15/hr for exceptional skilled and productive employees. You get better product when people have incentive to perform., but the guy half-assed wiping tables with a dirty wet rag……”F” him.

Marianne September 4, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Minimum wage jobs can pay off if you have more than one person working in the household. Illegal and legal immigrants take thorough advantage of the system we have here in the US.

WTF September 4, 2014 at 5:54 PM

@ Hypocracy,

Of course poor people can win. They can obtain grants and loans for an education, study hard and earn a degree in an in-demand field, get a great job, own a home and earn a good living.

Or would you rather they stay poor, stupid, victimized welfare recipients?

The Closer September 4, 2014 at 5:55 PM

I just finished flipping my bbq burgers. $15.00 please.

Julio September 4, 2014 at 6:34 PM

It won’t let me read any ones comments but I’ll try to enter my own.
If I owned a fast food restaurant I would shut it down cold and reopen perhaps never. Let them TRY to find a job.

As long as we live in a society September 4, 2014 at 7:18 PM

that evaluates companies on their financial bottom linerather than their contribution to the overall well being of their employees we will have this problem.

Random Task September 5, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Wow can not believe this ……ok there are jobs that only pay so much …you work there get experience and move on to a higher paying job its called work ..its called wanting to improve and increase your own performance ……..the fast food industry is 80% illegals and now they are trying to make this job a one stop shop ….since they obviously can be hired for a lower wage…wait what now they want more …..uhhh wow and of course the lemmings will ok this as they destroy our welfare and assistance programs then turn around and want to haul in at a fast food job ……….wow ……there is a reason they come here in droves because we are stupid enough to let em and then support em …why not open the boarder and be done with it …why not fall to a flood rather than supply the means to break down the dam ……….I mean really ……….

anon. September 5, 2014 at 1:08 PM

testing, comments still not showing

ms.v September 5, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I have a friend with a job that requires a college education. PreSchool teacher. She makes just over $15.00 an hour. Sad to begin with.

When I get fast food it is almost never right. So people who can’t even make a burger right want to make as much as my college educated friend.

People who can’t get our orders right will make as much or more, in some cases, than the people who watch our children.

I would love to see everyone get a living wage but something seems askew here.

Peter Griffin September 5, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Ding fries are done
Ding fries are done
Ding fries are done
Ding fries are done

nytemuvr September 5, 2014 at 2:27 PM

$15 an hour for the people that hand out the Soylent Green, benefits would be they get to eat the crumbs, no retirement, just recycled.

Cautiously Informed September 5, 2014 at 3:26 PM

If it was really that simple. Most everyone here has a simple answer to this complex question. Is there really a high paying benefits included job for everyone out there? If there is, why are there so many people looking one?
Why are there so many people barely making a living? How is it that the mega corporations are making record profits while paying virtually no taxes, and at the same time receiving government handouts while paying their employees a pittance?

Jim September 5, 2014 at 6:52 PM

If that happens value meals will be $9.99…lets face it…minimum wage is just that…it was intended as a startying pint not a career…if you don’t like it…quit and go back south of the border…minimum wage there is what .$1.00 a day?

Prez Obama September 5, 2014 at 9:54 PM

Teasing poor folk with a $15 per hour minimum wage (which will NEVER happen) is a great way to get more people to the polls & voting for the candidate promising them more money (any name with a “D” behind it). Unions are taking a shot at gettin’ them all unionized too (mo money, mo money!). So easy to fool the low info voters. I’ll keep dangling the Amnesty Pinata in front of the Latinos to get their votes too.

concordshmonkhord September 6, 2014 at 12:26 AM

It is absurd! This is a low skill job…notice i did not say easy. It is repetitive and does not require problem solving or thinking on ones feet once trained.
i just last week went thru the jack in the box drive thru on clayton rd. Around 530pm. My order was a teriaki bowl combo w one eggroll . Thats a bowl, rill, and drink. It came to me down the road that no roll was included. I called the manager to inform her of the ineptness. Ahe said a lazy sorry and asked if i could come back .she was as lacking as her employees. Maybe they need a chase car. Let me say here that i have worked fast food and waitressed. The latter should have the $ 15 per hr. Much more involved and peopleskills!
Fast food workers are trying to get more without any advancement in quality of service or qualifications. The product hasnt how is it deserved?

Aspirin September 6, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Raising their pay means we’ll pay a very little bit more for the food. We can afford it.

Aspirin September 6, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Looking at the fat Americans that frequent fast food joints I’d say that a little less chow would be in order. If paying more means eating less I’m all for it.

Libby Rahl September 6, 2014 at 6:40 PM

“Fat Americans”? What country are you from Aspirin?

Pink Undies September 6, 2014 at 8:06 PM

They don’t need $15 an hour to flip a damn burger. They need to move up in life and get better paying jobs instead of taking jobs away from teens who need them to gain valuable entry level job experience.
If they can’t get a better paying job because they lack education then it’s time for these SOB’s to get a better education or GTFO.

Joe Martinez September 8, 2014 at 3:51 PM

“Get an education”. Brilliant solution. Pay for college with your $8/hr job. “Get a better job.” Even better. If there were better jobs for the undereducated and overworked, they would have found them already. They don’t settle for fast food jobs because they’re lazy. There aren’t any better options. And the workers get treated as if they are disposable by the sociopaths that run the company. What they did this weekend was brave and I would gladly pay a little more at the drive thru if that meant the workers were payed a living wage.

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