The Water Cooler – The Most Dangerous Road in Claycord

August 29, 2014 12:00 pm · 52 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday in the noon hour.

In your opinion, what is the most dangerous road in Claycord? (not counting Hwy.680, Hwy.24 or Hwy.4)

Talk about it….

concordkiwi August 29, 2014 at 12:06 PM

All the roads are dangerous! You have to consider that these days that a lot of drivers take the posted speed limit as a suggestion. They drive distracted, run stop signs/stop lights, don’t indicate and don’t consider other drivers on the road.

Tom August 29, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Willow Pass Rd…….the entire stretch.

Kad August 29, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Marsh Creek and then Bailey.

just a concordian August 29, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Before this becomes a bit of a “OMG I saw this guy/gal driving in X road doing 200mph wheelies on his Corolla, what an idiot” I just want to point out that I am a better driver than anyone in the world. And guess what, so are you, so all opinions are valid and acceptable. Happy posting.

Kirkwood August 29, 2014 at 12:12 PM

For Clayton, I’d say Marsh Creek Rd. although I don’t have statistics to prove that, it just feels that way. Especially when there are commuters and kids who think they are driving sports cars. For ClayCORD, perhaps Kirker Pass, I live close by and hear the fire trucks on the weekends. There is a lot of accident debris and a couple of deaths every year.

Molto August 29, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Hwy 4…You mean the Antioch 500 right?

stan August 29, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Treat blvd, I have seen 6 people killed on this road between Navaronne way and 680 in the last 4 years alone. With people constantly running the light at Navaronne way someone is going to get killed there too. It’s just a matter of time

Sanctimonious J August 29, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Unfortunately, Marsh Creek Road. Very nice road, beautiful drive, but too many idiot drivers passing drivers over double yellow who are going speed limit and being careful.

Dorothy August 29, 2014 at 12:27 PM

All of them, especially around malls and schools.

Every road is dangerous August 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM

and should be considered deadly. They are deadly because of the drunk/drugged drivers, people on cell phones and texting, people speeding, running lights and generally being inattentive drives. And then there are of course, the a$$ holes, the narcissists, the criminal element which would include people with no license at all.

If you are going to drive, drive. If you are going to do anything else, go do it. but never while driving. NEVER try to do both at the same time.

BagsFlyFree August 29, 2014 at 12:46 PM

This is an easy one.. Willow Pass Road from Farm Bureau to Highway 4.

You have the following obstacles to deal with on your trip on this lovely stretch of road.

– A bumpy road surface from Farm Bureau to Highway 4
– Speeding commuters both directions AM/PM, racers/bikers/drunks at
– Underlit areas across the entire stretch of road (I contacted Ray
Kuzbari who compared the road to Concord Blvd, while pedestrian traffic
and multi-family properties on WP really make that comparison invalid
as Concord Blvd is mostly SFH in this area). The CNWS side is
completely unlit, even while power poles span the corridor.
– Oncoming residential traffic turning both directions without stoplights
while also looking through parked cars blocking traffic visibility
– A county winding road (towards 4) with minimal street lighting
– A elevated bridge that provides no visibility of oncoming bridge traffic
– Minimal lighting on/around the bridge

BFF Out!

Coggins Square August 29, 2014 at 1:05 PM

All of them. Speeding, aggressive driving, talking and texting on cell phones, running red lights and drunk driving are serious issues in this area, and more needs to be done to stop it. I am much more afraid of getting injured or killed in a major car crash than I am being injured or killed in a terrorist attack.

ClayDen August 29, 2014 at 1:05 PM

None of the roads are inherently dangerous. The unskilled and distracted drivers are the problem. Therefore, it’s dangerous to drive on all of the roads.

Mr. Pink August 29, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Agree with others: Marsh Creek, Bailey and Willow Pass, in no particular order.

Dr. Doc PhD August 29, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Alhambra Valley Rd & Bear Creek road on weekends… bicyclists forget/ignore/take for granted that they too have to share the road.

Antler August 29, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Bailey Road and Marsh Creek Road seem equally bad to me. Each has many curves, some quite tight. Both are two-lane roads with the pavement edges in disrepair. There are many erosion ditches immediately beside the pavement, and too frequently there is not a way for a driver to escape an oncoming vehicle whose driver has crossed the center line. (That reference is to there being no extended shoulders beside the roads, at least only in a minimum number of places.)

There are no bicycle lanes, but bicyclists still persist in arrogantly causing multiple vehicles to back up behind them. Perhaps we need to develop hill-course paved trails exclusively for bicyclists? At any rate, they should not be allowed to do their training on these two major commute routes!

Before the CNWS development is even started, I think both Willow Pass Road and Bailey Road should be widened to four lanes PLUS safety shoulders. Perhaps advocates might want bicycle lanes/pedestrian lanes out off-road beyond the shoulders? I would have no problem with that. We are talking expensive projects, but please keep in mind that those two roads might have to become major evacuation (or emergency aid inbound, for that matter) routes for our Claycord valley.

My inclination is to require CNWS developers to help finance the Bailey Road and Willow Pass Road reconstruction. If they agree to build mostly high-quality SFH, then they can recoup expenses from wealthy people who purchase those homes.

Sorry to digress, but one challenging problem leads us to another… and another.

Mimi (original) August 29, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Great choices all!! At one point I needed to drive over Bailey Rd morning and night to and from work and I still hold my breath most of the way. It’s a lovely little winding road, but most people drive too fast and I was always afraid of becoming someone’s hood ornament in a head on collision. I avoid it at all costs now!

Lari August 29, 2014 at 2:22 PM

While I bitterly complain every time I’m on Ygnacio Valley Rd about how badly people navigate that road, I agree with others that Marsh Creek Rd is probably the most dangerous. People don’t seem to gauge those twists and turns right.

Elwood August 29, 2014 at 2:36 PM

What the bleep is SFH?

Skyscraper August 29, 2014 at 2:53 PM

The roads themselves are not dangerous. It is selected drivers who are dangerous. And I will say that the design of some roads as compared to others can magnify the dangerousness of dangerous drivers.

Jim Shoes August 29, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Marsh Creek Rd

Commuter August 29, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Lil out of Claycord but I say Vasco road between Brentwood and Livermore. Lots of traffic, curvy roads, trucks going 20mph, idiots on Motorcycles, people driving way to fast…

Marsh Creek August 29, 2014 at 3:22 PM

Seems like its on here regularly for some kind of foolish driving.

Mr.Wonderful August 29, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Monument boulevard.

mwo1859 August 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM

I myself dislike Kirker Pass. I prefer Bailey rd.

BagsFlyFree August 29, 2014 at 3:40 PM

@Elwood..SFH is short for single family homes.

jimymac August 29, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Are you all kidding me. I live on the most dangerous street
and that street is

Miss Pearl August 29, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Kirker pass, Monument, Marsh creek

Puglover August 29, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Marsh Creek Road, constantly littered with collision debris. Morgan Territory Road, speeding and illegal passing.

..... August 29, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Marsh Creek Rd.

Lari August 29, 2014 at 6:18 PM

@jimymac – we take Landana often to get to 4 and I hear you. Even with all those speed bumps, I can tell that street must be tough for residents.

SpiritDog August 29, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Clayton Road! It is now the route for big rigs since they finally shut down Farm Bureau Road.

nee August 29, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Clayton rd both ways during commute, and an idiot that drives a black Mustang!!!

Big Rig Driver August 29, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Any road where asses with no respect for others drive.

Momboz August 29, 2014 at 8:31 PM

I agree that Treat Blvd. is very dangerous.

Michelle August 29, 2014 at 8:45 PM

I have to agree Big Rig. No road is safe with drivers like those.

Cuzzzzzzz...... August 29, 2014 at 8:56 PM

All of them. The roads/streets in Concord are in such disrepair that they are unsafe. Add to it all the undocs that drive without licenses or insurance, the troglodytes that are gabbing on their cell phones or texting, the morons with what they call music blasting so loud they could hear a fire engine or ambulance if was rolling up their tailpipe makes driving in this area extremely dangerous.

Silva August 29, 2014 at 9:20 PM

I’ve been thinking.. we only drove Bailey Road once upon a time in my whole life! We drove over it to see where it went in 1971 or’72.

@Antler August 29, 2014 at 9:25 PM

cvc 21200
“A person riding a bicycle or operating a pedicab upon a
highway has all the rights and is subject to all the provisions
applicable to the driver of a vehicle…”

“Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed
less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction
at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand
curb or edge of the roadway except…”

“When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions…”

Those roads are bad enough to bicycle without the “pavement edges in disrepair”. With respect Antler, it is not arrogant to keep my medical appointments in East County. We don’t need a course. I’m not training, I’m going somewhere. Since bicycle drivers have a right to travel, which both the Federal standard vehicle code and the CA Legislature confirm, bicycle lanes are actually just to help the other drivers out by moving us out of their way. I do wish there were more of them and they are expensive.

The only way to ride on roads with no shoulder, bicycle lane or the adequate sized lanes to have a bicycle and cars side by side is to take the whole lane. Unfortunately, Marsh Creek, Willow Pass and Bailey all have long stretches with no turn outs and only a single lane.

Pretend we are hauling a boat somewhere if it makes you feel we have a right to be there. Once you are patiently waiting, it is actually very safe. It is as safe as you want to make it. Thank you! I really mean it!

My picks for the worst are Willow Pass, Bailey and Marsh Creek.

Antler August 29, 2014 at 9:31 PM

Silva, it has been allowed to deteriorate since then, for the most part.

@ Antler August 29, 2014 at 9:39 PM

Ygnacio and Willow Pass are the major disaster routes because Bailey and Marsh Creek are to prone to land slides and to stop the sliding it would take money that does not exist. The county owns large portions of both Bailey and Marsh Creek. Currently the county road fund does not have the monies to widen either of them. They have projects that are far more important and that is where the monies are going. And I really doubt Concord has the money to widen Bailey as Concord can’t even keep the streets they have in good repair. Concord needs to spend their limited funds on repairing what we have and not screwing around with Bailey Rd.

anon August 29, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Between Hwy 4 and Lynnwood Dr. on Willow Pass Rd.

Ph res August 29, 2014 at 10:44 PM

Taylor Blvd. in Pleasant Hill, is dangerous. From the intersection of Lucille Dr. to Contra Costa Blvd. has a speed limit of 40mph. There has been 8 traffic accidents in the past few years in front of our home, including one fatal accident and four incidents involving bicyclists, And those are the ones that happened while we were home. It’s next to a park, a community center, a preschool, an elementary school and middle and high school and its residential, and oh, there are no sidewalks on the residential side, only a bike lane. Its dangerous. I’ve heard a rumor that its a county road…But…anyway, did I mention I love living in Pleasant Hill?

taxi man August 29, 2014 at 10:45 PM


Antler August 29, 2014 at 11:56 PM

#39 and #41 …… Yes, I know what the law says regarding a bicyclist’s “rights”. AND I realistically see that neither Bailey Road nor Marsh Creek Roads is currently safe to handle the amount and type (commute) of traffic, ESPECIALLY when bicyclists are present. (I sincerely hope you make your medical appointments at such a time that you are not adding to the commute nightmare on those roads.). When vehicles get backed up almost a quarter mile because of one bicyclist and that bicyclist refuses to get off-road to allow the vehicles to drive past, then yes the bicyclist is arrogant! Also he is breaking the law which says a vehicle MUST pull off and allow passage if five (I think it’s five) vehicles are clogged behind him! For many years, we pulled a horse trailer on Marsh Creek Road, the difference being that neither that nor a vehicle trailering a boat can POSSIBLY turn off-road to let others pass (plus either one goes faster than a bicyclist).

I specifically linked my discussion to what needed to be done re road widening, etc., of Bailey and Willow Pass to the development of the CNWS property. That suggestion includes my opinion that City/County should NOT bear the entirely of the cost. However, the roadbeds do need upkeep repairs at this moment.

As an aside, I do agree with you that attention needs to be given to streets within the city limits as well. My primary request is that there once again be painted dashes between lanes (because those bot things are filthy dirty and do not show up at night, especially when it is raining).

Evacuation routes…sigh. At present, we cannot even handle normal commute traffic very well. But think Thanksgiving traffic times 40 if there ever has to be a FULL evacuation. It would be bad enough if we could lock down the borders of Claycord valleys so that only OUR people needed to leave. But if bridges go down, then a map shows that major traffic would be using variations of Ygnacio Valley Road, Monument Boulevard, Clayton Road to Marsh Creek Road, Concord Boulevard, and Willow Pass Road in order to get into Central Valley overland in a way which avoids getting up into the Hwy. 4 mess if at all possible. We would need ALL routes! I know the roads you named routes you named are important arterials; but now we need to improve the others. Also, Vasco Road serves as one cut, but something needs to be done with Morgan Territory Road. I completely understand what would be the outrage of NIMBYs living off that road, but there simply needs to be a safer emergency linkage between I-580 and here.

I truly appreciate your willingness to hammer this out in a decent way. Yes, you are correct that one major problem is funding. But another major problem is how to light fires under the public agencies so that they will co-operate in the public’s best interests.

Terry Kremin August 30, 2014 at 1:18 AM

Maybe if we had traffic tickets being given out, more people would pay attention to the laws?

Pine Hollow - for Bicyclists August 30, 2014 at 5:53 AM

Pine Hollow and Clayton Rd. are the scariest/most dangerous for a bicyclist commuting to work. Why?

– Large trucks hauling rock from the quarry, and debris (although minimal) sometimes coming from truck. Even a pebble from a passing truck could be deadly.
-Teenagers speeding by, thinking it’s funny to try to spook bicyclists by driving fast and close, and suddenly screaming as they pass
– Cars speeding 20-35 mph over speed limit
– Trucks & Cars not noticing bicyclists – it may not be intentional – they may be focused on other things like traffic from the side, or changing lanes, or turning into our out of a driveway or parking lot quickly, and even when a bicyclist drives with the utmost caution and defensive techniques, there are many close calls of nearly being hit by being cut off, or run into by a car that is turning, or passing too close.

@39 August 30, 2014 at 8:59 AM

I live on MTR and, yes, the vehicle code gives you the same rights and obligations as cars, but as they say- common sense isn’t so common anymore. Cars and bikes on Morgan Territory and Marsh Creek are a bad mix; it’s just the nature of the road. If one has to go, I don’t think it should be cars, since those of us that live out here (and aren’t just racing through) need to get to/from our homes. One thing we can probably all agree on is that the bicyclists that hold up traffic while riding 2+ wide, so they can chat, are not only breaking the vehicle code, but are idiots.

Antler, I wouldn’t characterize people living out here as NIMBY’s. We’re a pretty low-maintenance, low-complaining bunch considering most of us pay huge property taxes and we don’t really receive much in return. There’s some maintenance that the County is responsible for, but just doesn’t do. We don’t complain, we just chip in and do it ourselves. Being as we moved out here to get away from the hustle and bustle, and being as we never hear from the County unless they’re trying to extract more money from us to use elsewhere- yeah, building a major thoroughfare through here would be a sore point. I don’t think that makes us a bunch of NIMBY’s though.

Antler August 30, 2014 at 11:16 AM

#48 …….. Oh, I am truly sorry to have offended! I LOVE that area and the residents out there whom I have met. I myself am one of the most fervent NIMBYs (Not In My Back Yards) in Concord, as our home shares a fence with CNWS. We joined the fabulous Neighborhood Alliance in hopes of influencing City of Concord to leave every BIT of that land as open space. So I do know what I am suggesting would be a bitter pill in many respects.

Anyway, I did not intend the acronym to indicate anything derogatory…just was taking a typing shortcut. Yes, I well know how fervently you folks would want to fight a change, even one made in the interest of safety. On the other hand, about eight years ago, I was taking the scenic, spring-wildflower route the back way from I-580 over to Marsh Creek Road and almost got “disappeared by” a huge hay truck on that shady, curving ONE LANE (and for the rest of you readers, I’m not talking “one lane in each direction”) part of the road up near the ridge. He was going too fast, but we both were able to stop in time to avoid a head-on (thanks, Brünhilda’s brakes).

However, there was no turn-out and no wide enough space for me to back up a little bit to make a road turn. The two of us had a conference, and we decided that I would have to back up until there was a turn-out. He advised me to change the side-view mirrors so that the angle pointed directly beside the right rear tire. I was the one going uphill, and he mentioned what I already knew (thanks to driving in Siskiyou County)….that normally my vehicle, being the up-hill traffic, would have had the right-of-way. I just laughed and said, “Yeah, EXCEPT when meeting logging trucks or hay trucks! THAT rule needs a two-lane road!”

Well, it took quite awhile with the truck driver walking beside my right front bumper and really to shout a warning “just in case”. And after about a hundred yards of this tension…..gotta love a rancher’s and truck driver’s gallows humor…. he yells, “GOD, I hope my d*** brakes hold!”

So anyway, since that might be your only way OUT in case of wildfire or other disaster…… see what I’m saying?

Iggey August 30, 2014 at 2:54 PM

Roads that the NUTS can get cell service. It seems like drivers talking & texting are actually more of a danger that drunk drivers since there are so many of them. They seem to drive the same way, speed up – slow down, wander across lanes. We see them in parking lots, freeways, neighborhood streets, downtown, uptown, everywhere. WTF is wrong with these drivers?

48 August 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM

I gotcha. Not really offended; just clarifying.

AAA Sean August 30, 2014 at 8:32 PM

I agree with Mr Pink.
The order is of no consequence.

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