The Water Cooler – Six Californias

July 28, 2014 · 78 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

Six Californias is an initiative to create six states with responsive, local government. It’s being proposed by a Bay Area billionaire, and could be on the ballot in 2016.

What’s your opinion on “Six Californias”? Do you think it’s a good or bad idea?

Talk about it….

1 Sofa King July 28, 2014 at 12:06 PM

I think it’s doomed to failure, if not at the state level, then certainly at the federal level. But what if it passed? Say goodby to Delta water, SoCal!

2 Anon777 July 28, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Bad idea, won’t happen.

3 green July 28, 2014 at 12:10 PM

I am so excited about this! Soon the democrats will take control of the Senate, as there will be 10 additional democratic Senators from California once this happens, plus 2 more from Oregon, as Jefferson encompasses both northern Cali and southern Oregon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_%28proposed_Pacific_state%29

Take that rebupli-cons!

4 SKS July 28, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Bad Idea.

The intent is to stack the deck and lean Congress left.

5 Suzanne July 28, 2014 at 12:13 PM

What money could buy. lol It won’t happen.

6 green July 28, 2014 at 12:13 PM

This is my proposal for state capitals:

Southern California: Los Angeles
Western California: San Luis Obispo
Northern California: Sacramento
Eastern California: Fresno
Silicon Valley: San Francisco
Jefferson (California): Redding
Jefferson (Oregon): Medford

7 Silva July 28, 2014 at 12:14 PM

This debade has gone on for many decades, though in the past it’s been only about deviding north from south, and it was all about the water. The person who dreamed this one up has quite different motivations, and it’ll never float.

8 Anon July 28, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Anything proposed by a Billionaire is for their own good, not yours.

9 Absolutely Great Idea July 28, 2014 at 12:18 PM

TIRED of single party rule that cares only about expanding their control and perpetuating the cycle of campaign contributions in exchange for favorable compensation to public sector employees.

10 Sacto Rob July 28, 2014 at 12:20 PM

@#3 Wrongo. The people who comprise the eventual State of Jefferson won’t be electing any Democrats to much of anything. While this six-state proposition is DOA, it’s good in that it’s increasing the awareness of the State of Jefferson movement, which WILL result in a new state, likely within the next 20 years.

11 illionaire Schimillionaire July 28, 2014 at 12:23 PM

People must have nothing to do but think of lame ideas. Go back to bed

12 Not going to happen July 28, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Oh yea. Sure. The politicians cannot pass budgets, or control spending. They are the new “Modern Royalty”. We have lost our way America.

This would tip the balance of power in Washington, to the LEFT. And how do you feel about adding 6 new Governors, 6 new legislative branches, judicial, CHP, Cal Trans, Public Works…social agencies….

WE NEED LESS GOVERNMENT – NOT MORE. The answer is not to divide the pie into smaller and more numerous kingdoms..but to clean house and shovel out the crap in the barn we already own!

13 Dorothy July 28, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Billionaire is smart enough to make money but cannot be dumb enough to think it would really happen. I would question his motive for spending the money it takes just to have it on the ballot. Tax deduction in there somewhere? Run for future politics to make more money?

Now if he had wanted only 2 California’s, maybe even three, he might be able to get it passed and then buy enough Federal votes to make it stick.

By the way, since a piece of Oregon is suppose to be included in his 6 way split, does Oregon get to vote on it too?

14 Tom July 28, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Leave CA the way it is.

15 No Way July 28, 2014 at 12:27 PM

California is already a third world country. It should just secede from the Union and be done with it.

16 KAD July 28, 2014 at 12:28 PM

What was the outcome of Jefferson on the primary?

17 Colbert has it right July 28, 2014 at 12:37 PM

“The state of Silicon Valley would be the nation’s richest state per capita, and they wouldn’t have to share their wealth with California’s other poorer per capita, so I believe their state bird will be this.” – Stephen Colbert

https://i.imgur.com/QFrSO2v.jpg

18 Six states is to much July 28, 2014 at 12:39 PM

two would suffice.

One state would be coastal, along the San Andreas Fault and would be the communists and socialists.

The other state would be inland with coastal access above Ft. Bragg. This state would honor the rule of law, be a Representative Republic government and people would be free until they prove themselves unworthy of freedom at which time they would be deported to the coastal state. Boarder controls would be in place to keep the communists and socialist in their place.

19 PhilthyPHRESH July 28, 2014 at 12:42 PM

I need Arnold to be back already.

20 kax July 28, 2014 at 12:46 PM

not six…. sixteen….

21 TinFoiler July 28, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Garbage! And guess where the Taxes would be Highest……..that yellow zone.
Go ahead and vote for your own demise, we need more homeless………NOT!

22 MadMom July 28, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Some people just have too much money. If you don’t like California…leave.
Sure we have a lot of problems but this idea is ludicrous!

23 Theo July 28, 2014 at 1:05 PM

See article and map at http://www.jeffersonstate.com/

People within the California / Oregon border region and surrounding rural counties joining to form free State / Territory / Republic.

Free people – Free Markets – Limited Government
Representation for the peoples of rural California and rural Oregon.

The 2 X’s in the Jefferson Seal represent the people being double-crossed by Salem and Sacramento.

Jefferson Statehood Project was first proposed in the 1850’s and eventually approved by Franklin Roosevelt in 1941. Hollywood newsreel companies were present to record the events, including the highway barricades. The State of Jefferson was off to a banner start.

The newsreels were to air nationally the week of December 8, but tragically on December 7th Pearl Harbor was bombed and the State of Jefferson rebellion of 1941 came to an end.

24 Concordejet July 28, 2014 at 1:08 PM

bad ideal, waste of time and money and you have my word it will not happen.

25 @ Absolutely Great Idea July 28, 2014 at 1:28 PM

“TIRED of single party rule that cares only about expanding their control and perpetuating the cycle of campaign contributions in exchange for favorable compensation…….”

One can only assume that you are talking about the states that are controlled by the Republicans.

26 Pyrrhus July 28, 2014 at 1:33 PM

This is a very dumb idea. It would create the richest state per capita (Silicon Valley) and create the poorest state per capita (Central California). Water rights would become a huge issue, interstate commerce would be a mess, and it would end with 4 of the 6 states most likely being red, which would eventually all switch to blue as the demographics change.

California is far from being perfect, but I love our state as it is and would rather work together to continue to make it better than to divide it.

27 What security July 28, 2014 at 1:42 PM

We should have seven California’s and one Oakland

28 ClayDen July 28, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Something has to be done to fix Demifornia, but this is a step too far. Perhaps two states as has been discussed for a long time, or possibly 3. If it’s two, draw the line just south of SLO. If three, then the same as just noted plus Jefferson. I love this state and it is broken politically. Northern and Southern California are different enough to split.

The 1997 book “The Seven States of California” makes a good argument that there are actually seven states that make up California, but I think this goes too far if we were to decide to split the state.

29 Dr. Jellyfinger® July 28, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Ok. as long as the state lines add up to 3 red states & 3 blue, and an equal number of House Representatives and Senators from each state….. or does that totally defeat the reason for splitting it up in the first place? Anybody else smell a rat?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ppic.org%2Fmain%2Fpublication.asp%3Fi%253D1007&tbnid=38OxnlCBd9VICM:&docid=Kv2peoAnqveoVM&h=576&w=498

30 The Mamba July 28, 2014 at 2:12 PM

I’m generally sick of the way this state is run, and think the size is part of the problem, but I don’t think splitting into six states is the answer. Our President basically regards the Bay Area as an ATM, so smaller states will be easier to ignore. I definitely agree that the people of Jefferson have a legitamite complaint, I think most people in rural communities are paying for services they will never benefit from…

31 #25 July 28, 2014 at 2:13 PM

You are oblivious to the basic fundamentals of politics. You know this wonderful, tax ridden state isn’t run by Republicans, right?

32 Fred July 28, 2014 at 2:33 PM

All this would do is create more politicians.

33 anon July 28, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Each with new state Constitutions. Each with new tax laws. etc. And how do you divide any state deficit if there is one and state pension liabilities already already on the books.

34 jbelkin July 28, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Idiotic idea. Those north of sacramento who don’t like it can move to Oregon or Idaho – it’s pretty much the same. we need the land for the desalination plants when the oceans start rising, only place in CAL where we can draw in massive amounts of water without people.

If we split, it should be in two. the north pronounced CALI-FOR-NIA and the south portion CALI-FOR-NIGHYAY but spelled exactly the same to confuse others not from California.

35 What security July 28, 2014 at 3:04 PM

We should have tow Americas Northern and Southern, O yeah we already tried that. Didn’t work well.

36 Aspirin July 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Madness. Never happen. Why doesn’t he spend his money on something useful?

37 Dennis July 28, 2014 at 3:57 PM

We should create a new state with SFO (the Democratic Republic of Berzerkeley), and the LA Megalopolis (called LA-Z), and keep the rest of CA as one State.

Why? Because all the left wing loonies are located in SFO and LA-Z, and the rest of the State is Republican. Too bad they are overwhelmed by the votes in the two urban ghettos – oops, I mean “inner cities”.

And taking away the votes of SFO and LA-Z, the issues like sending NorCal water South, or building a HSR through farm land would be permanently aborted.

And the “real” CA would get 2 GOP Senators.

As for Legislators, you understand that 10% of the population is illegals, but the Census counts them for reapportionment, thus CA has 5 Representatives in the House (Dems) that shouldn’t be there. Imagine how Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico feel about CA sending more Representatives to the House JUST FROM ILLEGALS, than they collectively provide legitimately.

The first thing to correct the problem would be to insist that illegals are NOT counted in the reapportionment allocations, and strip CA of 5 representatives in the House. The 2nd improvement would be the elimination of Winner Take All for Electoral votes in Presidential Elections.

After all, when nearly half of CA votes GOP, it is unfair to see nearly 60 Electoral votes all go to the Democrats.

38 Wheelie July 28, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Two states.

39 What security July 28, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Two state Cali and Oakland

40 Pyrrhus July 28, 2014 at 4:53 PM

@Dennis You sound just as elitist as the so called liberals you are raving against. Real Californians? What is a real Californian? Is it just the farm owner or also the workers? Is it Silicon Valley? Or those living in Shasta? Is the rich guy living in Blackhawk more Californian than the inner city kid? What is a real Californian?

To me, we are all Californians. Without the country side we don’t have our food and water. Without the money of the cities many services wouldn’t be offered in the country side. We are all Californians and we all help each other out and I don’t think two states based on politics would serve anyone better.

41 just a concordian July 28, 2014 at 5:14 PM

So instead of one fat cat guv we’ll have 6 fat cat guvs. Not to mention 6 state senates. 6 DMVs… this one alone would be a mess to try and convert.

As expansion sets in, I see the air industry taking a nice upside on this. Non stop Chico to Chicago. Oh yea!

But, depending on where you live and work, you might find yourself paying two state taxes… not too pleasant.

42 @ @25 July 28, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Boy how I love our education system.

Can you read? With comprehension? Is California mentioned anywhere in the post? Did you see the word “states”?

43 Rob July 28, 2014 at 5:28 PM

If you want to live in a state with a smaller population – well – you can to to literally any other state.

44 @Dennis July 28, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Beautifully stated. Thank you. And if that doesn’t work, we should just merge California with Mexico. That’s the easiest and cheapest way to send the illegals home.

45 Atticus Thraxx July 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Six makes no sense but three would work. Makes a mess of the American Flag. We’d have to subtract two states. Florida is a toilet and we’d have no problem getting the rest of the country to agree to annex them. And let’s see….how about Alaska? We’ll trade it to Canada for maple syrup and some weed.

46 Matt July 28, 2014 at 6:07 PM

The beauty of this initiative is that the sponsor, Tim Draper, will be appointed the advocate of the initiative if it passes. That is, the initiative gives him the responsibility of defending it against lawsuits, at the taxpayer expense is how I understand it.

So if the initiative passes, VOILA! millions and millions of dollars flows his way to defend it. It’s American capitalism at it’s finest, create a need and fill it at a profit!

47 Iris Hill July 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Not six! Two’s enough.

48 Mister Wister July 28, 2014 at 8:00 PM

@31,
Learn what “sarcasm” is.

49 Vern Rogers July 28, 2014 at 8:02 PM

My grandson wanted to use the restroom at the Concord skate park. It was the most disgusting and I’m Restroom I have ever seen. There is urine everywhere and full of feces I have never been so disgusted in my life I wish somebody would Send a truck to pump it out. Thank you and longtime resident of Concord. Think I pay enough property taxes to get that cleaned thank you

50 VikingPrincess July 28, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Aware of the concept but didn’t know it was this far. Six is too much. Especially since there is actual discussion of flags etc. Perhaps three or four tops. With the refineries and the Monterey shale we would be strong oil. Also we would be on the States border with the bridge as the line.
I only think if it does come to pass, wr should first would try as a concept and problem solve. Call them regions, sectors or province etc. If it is too much if a fluster cluck forgetbit after “x”,amount of time. If it does work after problem solving etc – discuss potential for states.

Otherwise, I think its a far fetched idea. Six states? Even two, three or four will be too much to just change over a few years. What do these millionaires have to gain from this idea BTW….hmmm
Tin Foiled? You have any ideas?

Slow down guys…we are still trying to process an 8 year segue of healthcare reform…and still haven’t felt the complete impact… Or have we?

51 Kelly Anne July 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM

California is such a mess. I wish it would happen but it won’t. I’m so tired of taking care of everyone who thinks their ‘owed something’i have friends & family who are going on disability because they won’t even go look for a job.claiming ‘depression’. Makes me so mad! Democrats need to understand some people take advantage. I used to be a dem,then realized the ones in power now are a lot different from dems yrs ago.

52 Michelle(original) July 28, 2014 at 9:03 PM

California doesn’t have the resources or reserves to even make this possible. What this billionaire could do is to donate his money to the state of California and bring it out of debt or close to it.

53 RANDOM TASK July 28, 2014 at 9:24 PM

wow really as you do know any money in this state is funneled through the unions who then use some of it to support the dems re-elections so the money train can stay intact …..as the bridge secured the cal-trans and union backers …..the voters will again be faced starting at the end of this year with the same tactic the dems use every election….threaten schools so they can raise taxes and yet the temp taxes for the tunnel and the one just brought up couple weeks ago that is about to end and all ready the dems are marching to keep them going so they can continue to live the life they are accustomed to ….they are feeding of us and their supporters revel in it ……..yay ……enjoy ……

54 rw July 28, 2014 at 10:09 PM

What a waste of time and money. This idea will never garner the popular vote.

55 concordshmonkhord July 28, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Let s consider the DROUGHT for a moment and the fact that our government has had the machinery and technology to change the ions in our atmosphere to produce precipitation since the early 2000 yrs when it took over the HAARP
research installation from univ. Of Alaska. Gueas what? PRESIDENT OBAMA just ordered it decommissioned and diamantled. SOME reports contend that Russia has rhe same weather machine tech. So our Commander in Chief ordered the Air Force to close up shop..another blow to lower and middle class AND the progressive vulnerabilities to the US and beyond . continue…economy and jobs..housing…food and water…now add in a half a million non native speakers to care for educate and employ from the pockets of Americans already threadbare and weary. DROUGHT?? WTF. INTENTION AND VOLITION r words to meditate on. What s happening here? Really.

56 concordshmonkhord July 28, 2014 at 10:19 PM
57 GoGo Gomez July 28, 2014 at 10:21 PM

No way!

58 @49 Vern Rogers July 28, 2014 at 10:47 PM

The last time I visited Heather Farms park EACH bathroom was horrifically soiled. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. It must be a routine thing to leave them in this condition as there is no way what I saw could have happened in a day or two. I also use parks in Pleasant Hill and have not seen that kind of filth in their restrooms, ever.

59 @49 Vern Rogers July 28, 2014 at 11:00 PM

My mistake. I was referring to NEWHALL Park, not Heather Farms.

60 Jess July 29, 2014 at 12:03 AM

What a stupid idea. I watched the video posted above. There’s nothing in it to convince me this proposal has any merit at all. Six times the bureaucracy. Six times the cost to the taxpayer. Six times the number of politicians. Companies will have six different tax codes to deal with and six different sets of regulations. Saying the state is too big to govern is ridiculous. Is Wal-mart too big to manage? Is Exxon too big to manage?

If I were a billionaire, I’m sure I could find something much more worthwhile to spend my money on than this cockamamie scheme. What’s in it for him, I wonder…..

61 Charles-the-cat July 29, 2014 at 1:09 AM

I saw the smirking twit who’s behind this idea on TV. He all but admitted that he’s doing it as a publicity stunt to get his name into the media. Watch for him to leverage this into a run for office before long. This is how billionaires troll.

62 Let him waste his money July 29, 2014 at 2:33 AM

like Meg Whitman.

63 Silva July 29, 2014 at 7:39 AM

Jess, Matt (#46) has an interesting answer to that question.

64 ..... July 29, 2014 at 7:44 AM

As much as I like the idea, it’ll never pass the low-information voters’ smell test.

@ Jess #60…. I think you might be off in your estimates, as the political makeup of each of those six states would be different.

1. Six times the cost to the taxpayers – only if each were set up identically to the others.

2. Six times the number of politicians – only in the US Senate; the House is based on population. The number of new politicians in each of the six states is irrelevant.

3. Six times the bureaucracy – again, that’s assuming that each of the six states were set up identically. Somehow, I don’t think that Jefferson would be incurring the same costs or bureaucracy that Silicon Valley would incur.

4. No, California is not too big to govern – if you have the right people in office and hold them accountable. However, comparing a government to corporations is nonsense….. I’ve worked in both industry and government (both bargaining unit and management/exempt) – and there is a night/day difference between the two in all aspects.

65 Confused July 29, 2014 at 8:26 AM

@Vern Rogers, #49, 58. Sorry, but what do skateparks and bathrooms have to do with 6 Californias?

66 Wow.. July 29, 2014 at 8:47 AM

You people are wacko… The person that proposed this plan probably did far more research than any of you. Personally, I think it’s a fantastic idea. California is a rich and powerful state, but a very terrible state to live in. Splitting California up is brilliant. There are 38 million people in this state, compared to the 28 million in Texas… A state with nearly 2x the land of California. I think splitting us 38 million up will help the economy a lot!

67 just a concordian July 29, 2014 at 9:02 AM

@65
instead of one dirty bathroom we’ll have 6 dirty bathrooms.

68 anon July 29, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Why 6 states, make it 6 different countries. We won’t have to send our money to Washington D.C.

69 City Girl July 29, 2014 at 10:30 AM

I say divide CA into two states, north and south, with the division at the west side of the Caldicutt. I would only vote for this if the southern half could be sliced away/separated from the northern half and floated off into the ocean and become its own country.

70 Mr. John July 29, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Don’t believe that you’d get 6 Democratic states out of this deal… the valley is not like the cities.

This would be a financial blessing for Silicon Valley – and we’d be in it. It is a long road before this is even close to a potential reality, but you should be hoping for it if you want there to be better education for your kids and more services in the community.

71 RanchgirlCA July 29, 2014 at 7:37 PM

STUPID IDEA

72 WolfPack July 29, 2014 at 9:39 PM

As a native, I would happily
settle for two … Northern
California and Southern
California.

73 Duck July 29, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Oakland and south should be SOCAL…………everything North of Berkeley should be NORCAL.

74 Duck July 29, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Oop’s Berekeley and south should be SOCAL *

75 Kek July 30, 2014 at 12:17 AM

@JBelkin

North of Sacramento is far different than Idaho and Oregon, which are themselves quite different. Please go places before you talk about them like you know anything.

76 RunDogRun July 30, 2014 at 7:50 AM

RunDogRun has lots of copy cats!

77 Silva July 30, 2014 at 8:51 AM

Kek, Now THAT’S the truth!

78 old concord July 30, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Great we would put more people to work as politicians . We would pay to support 6 state capitals . NO

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