The Water Cooler – Whooping Cough, Measles and Vaccines

July 24, 2014 · 68 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

Despite vaccines, whopping cough and measles are unfortunately making a comeback, and people with vaccines are even becoming ill. Why do you think the vaccines aren’t working as well as they should?

Talk about it….

1 Patty July 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM

1. Because too many people are NOT getting the vaccines.
2. Because too many illegal immigrants are entering this country without medical exams. Most babies in the US get vaccines, but this is not so in other countries.

2 TJ Jones July 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Vaccines work fine. It’s likely the ignorant parents that think they are bad “for health reasons” and the plethora of illegals in this country.

Let’s see the racial/ethnic/national origin and profile and ages of those affected and make an educated deduction.

3 The Mamba July 24, 2014 at 12:05 PM

I thought they were making a comeback precisely because people weren’t getting their kids vaccinated? If that’s not the case, viruses mutate all the time…

4 Anon777 July 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM

The problem is the people that are not getting them!

5 Anon July 24, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Vaccines work if you get them. Some people are not honest about having gotten them.

6 zeroc00l July 24, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Fully agree with Patty!

7 Father Clarkin July 24, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Because the new mothers who choose not to vaccinate their kids have brought it back and caused a new mutation of the disease … stronger and more virulent.
These mothers are harming their children and the world around them.
My Mother had 6 children with whopping cough running around with big pots from child to child all night as the vomited every time they coughed!. It is a terrible disease.
These Mothers are the same ones that want to breastfeed for the world to see their implants..Nuts!

8 JWB July 24, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Wow, you make some strong statements here: “the vaccines aren’t working as well as they should?”

Do you have any factual basis for this statement?

I mean other than that you are a blogger and not a journalist?

9 Kirkwood July 24, 2014 at 12:34 PM

whopping cough? That’s hilarious!

10 C July 24, 2014 at 12:34 PM

I don’t have kids, but just curious…if a child gets a vaccine to prevent against a specific disease, and another child does not get the vaccine and contracts said disease….shouldn’t the vaccine prevent first child from getting the disease/illness? Doesn’t seem to matter if some kids don’t have vaccines, because if vaccine was doing said job it should protect the vaccinated child from getting sick. Just thinking out loud….

11 Elwood July 24, 2014 at 12:36 PM

Stupid people don’t have their kids vaccinated.

The high rate of immunization rejection and infectious disease in Marin proves that affluent educated people can be dumber than a rock.

12 waverunner July 24, 2014 at 12:41 PM

There was an interesting article in the CC Times yesterday on this, giving a breakdown by race in regard to which group gets vaccinations and which don’t. Amazingly enough, Hispanics had the highest number of receiving vaccinations for their babies, with blacks having the lowest number. It stated that if Hispanic children DO get whooping cough, it’s because they live in large households with adult relatives who are not vaccinated. It also stated that Hispanics tend to go by what their doctors tell them, which is why they obtain the vaccinations.

13 Safety Scond July 24, 2014 at 12:46 PM

I’m guessing there’s a demographic trend that is not politically correct for the government/media complex to announce. You pro illegal immigration voters just keep screwing-over the future of your great, great grandchildren. The democrat party loves useful idiots.

14 HessiaNerd July 24, 2014 at 12:48 PM

#3
The Mamba

More people refusing vaccinations means more opportunity for the viruses to mutate. Its like lottery tickets. One or two arent going to improve your odds, but when you get millions of tickets, you actually are more likely to pull a winning ticket out.

15 Horse n around July 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Some parents don’t vaccinate. The virus will mutate, and with people crossing the borders, and more people able to travel afar, it’s just bound to happen.

16 Me July 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Ditto. Vaccines aren’t 100% thus explaining the few that have been vaccinated getting ill. The come back is completey due to the misinformed anti-vaccination population.

17 lincolnlog July 24, 2014 at 12:59 PM

It’s called herd immunity. A significant portion of the population needs to be immunized for the best protection. GET YOUR KIDS VACCINATED!

18 Tara Brown July 24, 2014 at 1:02 PM

People who don’t vaccinate their kids are the problem.

19 SKS July 24, 2014 at 1:02 PM

The question of the day is biased by suggesting that “Why do you think vaccines aren’t working as well as they should?”

Vaccines do work (with a high degree of statistical confidence) if and only if the populace receives them.

However, there was a “study” that suggested administering vaccines contributed to autism. But how is “autism” defined? Looking back over the past 10 years there is an apparent spike in autism but what is really happening is that the term has only been widely applied to conditions which are already classified. I think they’re just retards… oh, “developmentally disabled” because California is soooooo politically correct.

20 PhilthyPHRESH July 24, 2014 at 1:07 PM

How do you know that what they inject into you is, indeed, what they say you’re injected with.

21 cynic July 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM

Actually folks, vaccines are not nearly as effective as the medical industrial complex would have you believe. Nor are they as safe or as well studied and researched as the FDA and CDC would have you believe.

I have had all of my children vaccinated, but not on the schedule the CDC recommends.

If these agencies have such a great understanding, why do they want you to administer a Hep B vaccine at birth? Hep B is spread through direct contact with blood or other bodily fluids. Essentially a sexually transmitted disease. Furthermore, a newborn’s immune system is completely incapable of mounting an appropriate response to a pathogen…that is why we suggest breastfeeding and keeping them out of public crowds during their first few months…they simply do not have a mature immune system.

Western medicine is deeply flawed in a few areas, and the vaccine myth (not a complete myth, but so much misinformation that is akin to a myth) is one that the public needs to consider.

But then again, the public is kinda dumb. Just look at the morons we elect year in and year out (see: Obama, worst president in US history). We get what we deserve.

22 mutts July 24, 2014 at 1:10 PM

HELLO? Didn’t anyone read the part that says even vaccinated people are getting sick? The answers to increased whooping cough and TB are obvious.

23 Not kids July 24, 2014 at 1:17 PM

part of the problem if you get the shot as a child you need another when you get older. They do not last a life time. Example Kaiser has you get a booster when you are a senior. Also with kids from other countries, it depends on where they are from, Mexico is big on shots. But some others can’t afford them.

24 @ Patty #1 July 24, 2014 at 1:20 PM

BINGO!!!!!!!! Short, sweet and to the point

25 Patty July 24, 2014 at 1:23 PM

@ SKS
I think that autism study was found to be a hoax. It used bad data. But lots and lots of people still believe it is true, so they are not vaccinating their children.

26 cynic July 24, 2014 at 1:27 PM

Something that is not reported…the large majority (something like 90%) of pertussis cases occur in vaccinated individuals. Did you know that the flu vaccine only has a 40% chance of even being the right vaccine each year? It is a guess. Also, most flu vaccines are not studied more than a few months. The H1N1 vaccine was release with no clinical study…it was a knee jerk to prevent panic.

You people are advocating the injection of toxins because the government says you should.

I do believe in the concept of vaccination it has clearly been proven to work. But I do not trust the “data” about which vaccines are “safe” or how effective they are found to be. I simply have too much experience in the industry, and I know first hand how companies work around procedures and regulations.

There is no simple answer to the real problem here, as it is irresponsible to simply not vaccinate, but it is also putting your kids at risk to simply administer a growing list of required vaccinations compulsorily.

Why don’t the test children for egg allergies (some of which are very dangerous) before they inject them with a vaccine cultured in and containing egg proteins?

Sorry folks, you are failing as parents if you don’t question these things. Do not put all of your faith in your doctor. While intelligent and well trained, they usually do not use science or critical thinking when giving treatment. They act based on the standard of care, and their own clinical experience. To call a family practitioner a scientist is pretty ridiculous. Think about it, when was the last time the doctor took a culture to identify the bacteria causing your illness before they hit you with an antibiotic. NEVER, they simply hit you with an antibiotic that is so broad or so powerful that it is bound to kill the bug…even if it causes permanent nerve damage, or irreparable soft tissue damage. To them, those are side effects, and the incidence of those side effects are horribly under reported, since the physician that prescribed them, is usually the one who would report a bad reaction, and we all know doctors love to admit their mistakes (do they actually ever make a mistake? Not by their own account…)

Just be your own, and your children’s own advocate, and question everything. You are all capable of understanding medicine. You are all as smart as your doctors. Don’t put them on a pedestal, instead make them convince you that they know what they are doing. Ask the tough questions. Demand a thoughtful answer.

27 cynic July 24, 2014 at 1:34 PM

81 Percent of Whooping Cough Cases Occurred in People Who Were Fully Vaccinated

CDC data shows 84 percent of children under the age of 3 have received at least FOUR DTaP shots—which is the acellular pertussis vaccine that was approved in the United States in 1996—yet, despite this high vaccination rate, whooping cough still keeps circulating among both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

More likely than not, the vaccine provides very little if any protection, and this was evidenced very clearly in a study published in Clinical Infectious Diseases.i

Researchers reviewed data on every patient who tested positive for pertussis between March and October 2010 at the Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, California.

Out of these 132 patients:
•81 percent were fully up to date on the whooping cough vaccine
•8 percent had never been vaccinated
•11 percent had received at least one shot, but not the entire recommended series

What’s wrong with this picture? Could it be that children and adults, who have received all the government-recommended pertussis shots, can still get the disease? Yes, of course. And this study suggests they may in fact be more likely to get the diseases than unvaccinated populations. Researchers noted:

“Despite widespread childhood vaccination against Bordetella pertussis, disease remains prevalent. It has been suggested that acellular vaccine may be less effective than previously believed. Our data suggests that the current schedule of acellular pertussis vaccine doses is insufficient to prevent outbreaks of pertussis.”

That is clearly stating the obvious, as B. pertussis whooping cough is a cyclical disease and natural increases tend to occur every 4-5 years no matter how high the vaccination rates in a population using DPT or DTaP vaccines on a widespread basis. Whole cell DPT vaccines used in the U.S. from the 1950’s until the late 1990’s were estimated to be 63 to 94 percent effective and studies showed that vaccine-acquired immunity fell to about 40 percent after seven years.

In the recent DTaP vaccine study, researchers noted the vaccine’s effectiveness was only 41 percent among 2- to 7-year-olds and a dismal 24 percent among those aged 8-12. With this shockingly low rate of DTaP vaccine effectiveness, the questionable solution that public health officials have come up with is to declare that everybody has to get three primary shots and three follow-up booster shots just to get the vaccine to give long-lasting protection—if any protection is provided at all.ii

Whooping Cough Vaccine Protection Fades in Three Years

The featured study also suggests that the acellular pertussis vaccine loses much of its effectiveness after just three years. This is much faster than previously believed, and could also help explain the recent whooping cough outbreaks in the U.S.

Unfortunately, stacking on additional booster shots is likely to make matters worse rather than better, especially in light of the fact that the mass use of existing pertussis vaccines has already led to vaccine-resistant strains that are still evolving and could become much more virulent.

The new mutation, which some researchers are calling “P3,” is a strain that produces more pertussis toxin (PT).iii

Pertussis toxin is the part of B. pertussis bacteria that is most responsible for the neurological complications of both pertussis disease and DPT and DtaP pertussis vaccines, and is also most responsible for stimulating an immune response. The acellular pertussis vaccines, which were developed and tested in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s, do not include the mutated strain.

Another reason why whooping cough cannot be entirely eradicated is the fact that there’s another Bordetella organism – parapertussis – that can also cause whooping cough. The symptoms of B. parapertussis, while often milder, can look exactly like B. pertussis, but doctors rarely recognize or test for parapertussis. And, there is NO vaccine for it.

One difference between recovering from B. pertussis whooping cough and getting the vaccine is that recovery from whooping cough confers a naturally-acquired immunity that is stronger and longer lasting than the artificial immunity induced by the vaccine. Vaccination requires more and more booster doses to try to extend the artificial vaccine immunity.

Many Doctors Now Pushing Ineffective “Cocooning” Whooping Cough Vaccines

The Tdap vaccine, which is recommended for children aged 7 years and older, as well as adults, is also a combination vaccine that is supposed to protect against tetanus, diphtheria and whooping cough (pertussis). The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) is now directing all physicians, particularly pediatricians, to offer Tdap vaccine to parents and close family members of babies under age 2 months, who are too young to receive a pertussis-containing vaccine themselves. (The other vaccine being promoted to parents and close contacts of babies is the flu vaccine).

Known as “cocooning,” this controversial practice is being promoted by the AAP and government health officials as a way of protecting babies from whooping cough and other infectious diseases like influenza by vaccinating their parents and other adult caregivers. However, there is little evidence to show that this works! In fact, research from Canada showed just the opposite.

The Canadian study investigated how many parents would need to be vaccinated in order to prevent infant hospitalizations and deaths from pertussis using the cocoon strategy, and the results were dismal. They found the number needed to vaccinate (NNV) for parental immunization was at least 1 million to prevent 1 infant death, approximately 100,000 for ICU admission, and >10,000 for hospitalization.iv Researchers concluded:

“… the parental cocoon program is inefficient and resource intensive for the prevention of serious outcomes in early infancy.”

There are Risks Attached to the Whooping Cough Vaccine

Whooping cough can be serious, especially for newborns and babies, whose tiny airways can become clogged with the sticky mucus produced by the toxins in B. pertussis bacteria. These babies can suffer life-threatening breathing problems that require hospitalization and use of suctioning and re-hydration therapies. However, the vast majority of children and adults get through a bout with whooping cough without complications and it is important for them to get proper nutrition, hydration and rest to support the healing process.

Similarly, while some children and adults get pertussis-containing vaccines and experience no complications, others do suffer serious reactions, injuries, or have died after getting vaccinated. According to Barbara Loe Fisher, co-founder of the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC):v

“Of all the vaccines which have been routinely used by children in the past century, the brain damaging effects of the pertussis (whooping cough) portion of DPT vaccine is among the most well documented in the scientific literature.

Created in 1912, the crude pertussis vaccine basically consisted of B. pertussis bacteria killed with heat, preserved with formaldehyde, and injected into children. In the early 1940’s, aluminum was added as an adjuvant and later the mercury preservative, thimerosal, was added when pertussis was combined with diphtheria and tetanus vaccines to create DPT. Pertussis vaccine was never studied in large clinical trials before being given to children in the first half of the 20th century or after it was combined into DPT and recommended for mass use by the American Academy of Pediatrics in 1947.”

Children who are particularly high-risk for brain injury or death after getting a pertussis-containing vaccine (DPT, DTaP or Tdap) include those who have suffered previous vaccine reactions, such as:
•High fever
•High pitched screaming or persistent crying
•Convulsions (with or without fever)
•Collapse/shock (also known as hypo-tonic/hypo-responsive episodes)
•Brain inflammation and encephalopathy

Most of the adverse effects are believed to occur from the effects of the pertussis toxin itself, which is one of the most lethal toxins in nature. It’s a well-known neurotoxin that is so reliable for inducing brain inflammation and brain damage that it’s used to deliberately induce experimental autoimmune encephalomyelitis (EAE) in lab animals.

In the video profile of pertussis vaccine injury below, Barbara Loe Fisher interviews a Houston family with a history of vaccine reactions that spans three generations. Now, a 12-year-old child in the family has become permanently disabled from a reaction to the DTaP vaccine that was given to her, along with 6 other vaccines, at age 15 months.

Either way, getting whooping cough or getting a pertussis vaccination entails a risk. But, remember, the vaccine carries with it two risks: the risk of a serious side effect AND the risk that the vaccine won’t work at all or will only work for a short period of time. What happened to this family is a potent reminder of just how important it is to make well-informed decisions about vaccinations.

28 cynic July 24, 2014 at 1:36 PM

People, pertussis is not a virus, it is a bacteria, and while bacteria mutate, the process by which our immune system deals with an infection is not nearly as specific as with a mutated virus.

29 JWB July 24, 2014 at 1:37 PM

@ cynic

You clearly have no idea about vaccines.

30 cynic July 24, 2014 at 1:43 PM

JWB, you must be a physician.

31 tired of taxes July 24, 2014 at 1:44 PM

Unfortunately, the only way to shut up the people who believe so ardently about the efficacy of vaccines is for everyone to get them and see the pro-vaccine people fumble about trying to find a reason why people still get the illnesses that the vaccines supposedly protect them from.

Until then, those of us who did our own research to come to the conclusion that vaccines are bunk and are not effective will have to suffer the uneducated vitriol spewing from the pro-vaccine crowd.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
Yes, I do realize it works both ways if you turn the tables. But I did my own research. How many of you pro-vaccine people can admit to as much? Most of you pro-vaccine people just regurgitate whatever mainstream information is out there. Not unlike how smoking has been demonized and smokers have to face the same public scorn for their habit.

32 Michelle July 24, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Please get VACCINATED! There is no cure for hepatitis or herpes.

33 cynic July 24, 2014 at 1:50 PM

JWB, please, tell me where I am wrong? I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about. Only the arrogance of a doctor would compel someone to make the blanket statement you made about my understanding…which, by the way, runs very deep.

34 cynic July 24, 2014 at 2:09 PM

If you have ever seen a child have convulsions and lose consciousness hours after receiving a vaccine, you can easily go on in ignorance. But if you have, it will change your life. Then try to get your doctor to admit that it was the vaccine that caused it, and even tougher, get them to report it.

I am done here. The mindless drones will continue to rule the day.

35 cynic July 24, 2014 at 2:11 PM

@ Tired of Taxes: Amen, brother. Amen.

36 cynic July 24, 2014 at 2:13 PM

@ Michelle, is there a herpes vaccine? News to me. Just more proof that you pro-vaccine at all costs proponents are ignorant.

37 JWB July 24, 2014 at 2:21 PM

@ cynic it would make no sense to point out all the flaws in your cut and paste postings …. because clearly you belive some bloggers on the internet and of course all the folks at the FDA and CDC must be wrong.

38 SickandTired July 24, 2014 at 2:36 PM

The autism study used flawed data, data that were so flawed they sparked the development of new guidelines for that type of research. But no matter – the damage has been done. It’s a lot easier to freak out than to understand the fine points of quantitative real-time PCR. Vaccines are still effective, but they have to be used by a majority of the population to be effective within that population (herd immunity). I guess you could say that herd mentality is killing off herd immunity.

39 SF CityGirl July 24, 2014 at 2:57 PM

It’s not despite people getting vaccines, it’s despite people who WON’T vaccinate their child. SELFISH!!!!!!!!

40 CaliMom July 24, 2014 at 2:58 PM

@Cynic

A newborn passes through the mother’s birth canal, thus the exposure to Hep B (direct contact with blood and bodily fluids)

Did you seriously not make that connection? I read nothing else you wrote after that.

41 skeptic July 24, 2014 at 3:03 PM

People like “cynic” are why you should need to be licensed to use the Internet. Some people are so horribly lacking in critical thinking skills that they shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a book, let alone a vast storehouse of (mostly false) information.

42 cynic July 24, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Ok, JWB, you got me….not! Not from blogs, you can look up the data yourself. Just be careful, you may actually form your own conclusions based on facts, not propaganda. I am not sure what you would do with such a thing…a well thought our conclusion based on your own fact gathering might cause a circuit overload for such a primitive processor.

43 tired of taxes July 24, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Pro-Vaxxer: Oh, I have full faith in my government. I don’t have the research or evidence to back it up but I _feel_ that I can trust my government and that it isn’t lying to me. Don’t pay attention to all those conspiritard nutjobs wearing tinfoil hats believing that the governement is collecting all our emails and telephone conversations.

Then along cones Snowden.

Pro-vaxxer: Damn that sneaky government! And damn to hell Steve Jobs as well! Microsoft can eat $hit too. Lying to me that they weren’t in cahoots and siphoning up all my communications through Project PRISM.

People will believe what they want to believe until the paradigm changes and more information comes out to replace the mainstream narrative. Until then it will be just business as usual.

44 cynic July 24, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Calimom, if you had read more, you would have understood why a vaccination in a newborn is preposterous. They do not have an immune system. They are incapable of creating the immunity that a vaccine is supposed to trigger. Furthermore, they should know before birth if the mother has Hepatitis, should they not? And what is even more, vaccines are not cures, so, if the child is exposed to hep in the birth canal, how can a vaccine administered after infection work, especially when the child does not have an immune response….just wondering? More proof that we are surrounded my fools…

45 cynic July 24, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Even my doctors could not find a defense for the question of why Hep B should be given at birth. Dumbest idea ever.

46 cynic July 24, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Hey skeptic, you mean MOOOO or BAHHH right, isn’t that the language spoken in the herd?

Just line up, and get on the train….no those ovens and piles of bodies are nothing to be worried about. Just ignore them. No, there is nothing bad in this injection, it is for your own good…I swear, I am from the government, I would never lead you astray. We are here to help…We are your only hope…

Please just continue to do what you are doing, natural selection will take care of the rest.

47 cynic July 24, 2014 at 3:40 PM

@ Tired of Taxes, I want to grab a cold beer with you. Kindred spirits…

48 cynic July 24, 2014 at 3:46 PM

Arbitrary vaccinators, government drones, non-thinking masses, and most MD’s, I have a message for you from a simpler time:

“I don’t want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!”

49 Anonymous July 24, 2014 at 3:58 PM

@ cynic I thought you said you were done?

50 cynic July 24, 2014 at 4:00 PM

@Tired of taxes, just reread your post and am laughing even more now. I love how you highlighted the word “feel” in that statement. Subtle and brilliant. I will be looking for your posts from now on!

51 JWB July 24, 2014 at 4:21 PM

@ cynic

maybe if you would read websites written by experts rather than some folks without qualification you would find answers to your questions.

Here is the CDC website about HepB

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/hepb/fs-parents.html

some cut and paste parts :

Hepatitis B spreads through blood or other body fluids that contain small amounts of blood of an infected person. People can spread the virus even when they have no symptoms.

Babies and children can get hepatitis B in the following ways:
•At birth from their infected mother.
•From bites from an infected person.
•By touching open cuts or sores of an infected person.
•Through sharing toothbrushes or other personal items used by an infected person.
•From food that was chewed (for a baby) by an infected person.
•From ear piercing needles that were not cleaned well.

The virus can live on objects for 7 days or more. Even if you don’t see any blood, there could be virus on an object.

Getting your child the hepatitis B vaccine protects him against serious disease.

Of the more than 1 million people in the United States living with life-long hepatitis B, most got the virus as a child. When infants and young children are infected with hepatitis B, they have a 90% chance of developing a life-long, chronic infection. One out of 4 of these children will have serious liver disease as an adult, including cancer.

Children and adults with life-long hepatitis B can pass on the virus to other people.

Dumbest idea ever, really?

52 cynic July 24, 2014 at 4:33 PM

JWB, I never said Hep B wasn’t nasty. I ask you this, can a newborn, 0hrs old, produce a normal immune response to a dose of Hep B vaccine? You fools keep avoiding and/or missing the salient issue here…Not that vaccines don’t work, sometimes, it is the compulsory, aggressive, punitive and ignorant administration of vaccines that is problematic. If you think there is any unbiased, uncorrupted scientific research driving the use of vaccines, you are an ostrich with your head in a hole. Many of the vaccines that have become commonplace were made before the FDA existed…they have changed slightly and been looked at, but not studied. You will probably never get it. People like you just don’t have the bandwidth, or the desire. It has to be one of the two.

53 Nuttsie the Nutter July 24, 2014 at 4:45 PM

To all of you trying to have an intelligent discussion with cynic, give it up. Every one is an idiot except them. No doctor knows as much as they do. They are smarter than all the scientists at the CDC, major universities, research labs etc.

People like her have read and re-read the articles written by the anti-vaccine nuts. They refuse to read true scientific and medical research or if they do read it they ignore what they read because it does not match up with their thinking.

Unfortunately for the rest of us, these people will not get their children vaccinated and their children and the rest of us will suffer because of their stupidity.

54 cynic July 24, 2014 at 4:58 PM

The proper way to prevent a newborn from contracting Hep B during birth is to screen expectant mothers for Hep B, and if they are positive, a C-section should be suggested. And, then only if there is some further worry about infection, the child should receive immunoglobulin. The Hep B vaccine does not provide immunity in MATURE patients until the 3rd dose. Furthermore, the vaccination is cultured in bakers yeast. Do you know how common allergies to yeast are?

55 JWB July 24, 2014 at 5:04 PM

@cynic, yes newborns do produce an immune response to the first HepB shot.

And with respect to your petussis rant here is a science based article about the studies you cited out of context in your earlier posts.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-problem-of-waning-pertussis-immunity/

56 Calimama July 24, 2014 at 5:08 PM

@Cynic

I am curious why you assume that newborns do not have an immune system. If that were true wouldn’t all newborns have to be incubated to be protected from the world?

The truth is that newborns have a developing immune system. And a hep b shot in the first 12 hours is critical.

Go ahead and spout your nonsense. Then explain to the kids who suffer lifelong why you thought you were right. It doesn’t matter to you if you were wrong…

57 Julio July 24, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Vaccine’s need to change as mutations occur so the vaccine has continued affect. As a child I had measles and chicken pox both. Our house was quarantined for weeks as each one of us came down with them over a years time. Not very nice things to deal with. Thank God we have immunizations now!

58 Dan July 24, 2014 at 5:24 PM

The vaccine “debate” is a perfect example of people repeating history due to forgetting it. No one remembers the toll that these childhood diseases took on the population before vaccination became widespread. They take the benefits wrought by mass vaccination for granted, and mistakenly decide that vaccines are “bunk.” Now these diseases are making a comeback, and the same ignorant people who have brought them back by refusing vaccination, have the audacity to use this as evidence that vaccines don’t work.

59 Atticus Thraxx July 24, 2014 at 5:28 PM

To have this many immunologists on one local blog defies statistical explanation.

60 Anonymous July 24, 2014 at 6:27 PM

People like cynic(who promised to quit posting ) are fine with me . They eschew vaccines ,their descendants don’t live as long ,and Darwin wins.Again.

61 Elwood July 24, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Cynic you said you were gone. You lied. Please be gone.

Here is the operative phrase for those who don’t vaccinate their kids:

You can’t fix stupid.

62 eyewhen July 24, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Wow cynic disappeared as soon as JBW brought out a link. What a tool… What gets me is his/her rant that vaccines are some sort of ” propaganda nonsense ” and we’ve all been pumping some sort of governmental produced wacky juice into our kids. Why is the government doing this? The world may never know. Please just tell me who you are cynic so I can keep clear of you.

63 Anonymous July 24, 2014 at 11:51 PM

Cynic is one of those people who the truth has been revealed to. Probably know flouridation is a commie plot.

These people never quit. They believe what the read in the internet is all true.

Nothing new here folks, move along.

64 vaCCINES MAKE YOU WEAK July 25, 2014 at 8:08 AM

I don’t get either of my kids vaccines ( flu shots etc… more or less voluntary ones)
They don’t get sick. Its all a scam vaccines make you weak along with your immune system. Live a healthy active life with your kids and eat well and you won’t get sick.
The people that feel the need to get these vaccines are morons IMO. More of a way for the government to control you……

65 chickenpox didnt kill me July 25, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Lay off of cynic, people! Everyone is entitled to their opinion and clearly this person has done their research..unlike most of you who are quick to defame someone who doesn’t willingly open up to swallow Big Pharmas lies about vaccines. The fact is this, there are very little studies done on vaccines before they are introduced to the public! As an expectant mother this scares me. Why would I have my newborn injected with cocktails of harmful substances only for a slight and not guaranteed chance of effective defense against said disease?!

I am not an expert, but the more I research the topic the more my belief aligns with that of a vaccine cynic…it’s not a fad people, it’s critical thinking!

Ppl bashing cynic’ you’re the same group who probably believes Aderol(sp?)will help their kids complete their homework, rather than good ole fashioned parenting…what a joke our society has become. Technological “advancements” do not equal improvements. So let’s keep popping pills for our problems, poking our kids with the 20+ vaccines that arr now recommended for babies, lining corporate pockets, and we’ll all just be happy campers! Think again!!

66 TinFoiler July 25, 2014 at 5:51 PM

“Why do you think the vaccines aren’t working as well as they should?”
That would be because Corporations have place the almighty dollar, money, profit as NUMERO UNO above and beyond Health and Well Being.
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And that’s the BOTTOM LINE, and you all Know that I’m right – Quit being in Denial.
PS: Here’s a Freebie – When the Vaccination is taken Orally, the Body has a chance to do what it needs to with it. When It’s injected – If the body does NOT need it, it is considered a POISON that the body tries to rid itself of and it causes it problems with the immune system.

67 Silva July 26, 2014 at 10:35 AM

I find it so disturbing when I agree with Elwood.

68 Marissa July 27, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Viral infections are in the blood, Herpes and Hepatitis are contracted ti the womb. These viruses come from cows and horses, please vaccinate.

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