Claycord – Talk About Politics

July 5, 2014 4:30 am · 434 comments


This post is “Talk About Politics”.

Please use this post to talk about politics, and keep politics out of the “whatever” thread.

Thank you, and be kind to each other!

401 Yhe Phantom July 11, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Reposted because the 400 comments scrolled it off.

The central question in Halbig is whether the PPACA authorizes the issuance of tax credits and cost-sharing subsidies for the purchase of qualifying health insurance in exchanges established by the federal government.

Section 1311 of the Act calls upon states to establish exchanges in which individuals may shop for health insurance.

Section 1321 provides that the federal government shall establish an exchange in any state that fails to create its own exchange.

Section 1401 of the Act creates Section 36B of the Internal Revenue Code which, among other things, authorizes tax credits to help qualifying individuals purchase qualifying health insurance plans.

Under Section 1401, such tax credits are available for qualifying insurance plans purchased “through an Exchange established by the State under 1311.”

This language is repeated more than once and the statute expressly defines a state as one of the 50 states or the District of Columbia. Eligibility for cost-sharing subsidies is tied to eligibility for tax credits.

The plain language of Section 1401 establishes two requirements for exchanges in which tax credits are available. The exchange is to be “established by the State” and “established . . . under section 1311.” The effect of these limitations is to provide an incentive for states to create their own exchanges, operated at their own expense. Such inducements are common in federal law. The IRS rule authorizes tax credits and cost-sharing subsidies in federal exchanges – exchanges that meet neither qualification – thus eliminating the incentive for state cooperation.

Defenders of the IRS rule argue that other provisions of the statute indicate that the IRS has adopted a permissible interpretation of an admittedly complex (and therefore potentially ambiguous) statute. I think the text is clear, but reasonable people may differ on this point. Judge Friedman took a different tack, concluding that the IRS rule was not merely a permissible interpretation of the PPACA, but was actually compelled by the text of the Act. (In AdLaw terms, he ruled for the government at Chevron “step one,” finding the statutory language clear and unambiguous.)

To reach this conclusion, Judge Friedman accepted the government’s argument that Section 1321 authorizes the federal government to operate a Section 1311 exchange. Section 1321 provides that if the state fails to create its own exchange, “the Secretary shall . . . establish and operate such Exchange within the State.” With this language, Judge Friedman concluded, the PPACA provides that a Section 1321 exchange established by the federal government is, by definition, a Section 1311 exchange, and can therefore provide tax credits.

– Simple.

402 Yhe Phantom July 11, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Reposted because the 400 comments scrolled it off.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The testimony of nine military officers undermines contentions by Republican lawmakers that a “stand-down order” held back military assets that could have saved the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans killed at a diplomatic outpost and CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya.

The “stand-down” theory centers on a Special Operations team of four – a detachment leader, a medic, a communications expert and a weapons operator with his foot in a cast – who were stopped from flying from Tripoli to Benghazi after the attacks of Sept. 11-12, 2012, had ended. Instead, they were instructed to help protect and care for those being evacuated from Benghazi and from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli.

The senior military officer who issued the instruction to “remain in place” and the detachment leader who received it said it was the right decision and has been widely mischaracterized. The order was to remain in Tripoli and protect some three dozen embassy personnel rather than fly to Benghazi some 600 miles away after all Americans there would have been evacuated. And the medic is credited with saving the life of an evacuee from the attacks

– Just like Yhe Phantom said a long time ago…Sept 14!

Transcripts of hours of closed-door interviews with the military leaders by the House Armed Services and Oversight and Government Reform committees were made public for the first time on Wednesday. The Associated Press had reviewed the material ahead of its release.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the Oversight panel, has suggested Hillary Rodham Clinton gave the order, though as secretary of state at the time, she was not in the military chain of command.

Despite lingering public confusion over many events that night, the testimony shows military leaders largely in agreement over how they responded to the attacks.

Issa and Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah, have said a stand down order was given…?

403 Elwood July 11, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Several more big loads from the anus and one sighting of the hemorrhoid.

404 Yhe Phantom July 11, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Palin / Bachmann 2016, because if it’s going to be pointless at least it should be funny.

405 Dennis July 11, 2014 at 3:46 PM

“That’s assuming all other factors are the same. Numbers of ememy soldiers, US troops on the ground, political climate, outside support, geograhic location of the fighting and on and on. ”

what, the FACT that Obama’s got 5 TIMES the number of US Soldiers KIA PER YEAR?

Go ahead … make excuses. You sure didn’t throw out any qualifiers when Bush was being slammed for the number being KIA. Don’t start now.

406 Dennis July 11, 2014 at 3:50 PM

#404 Judge Friedman is alone in his interpretation.

407 the FIX July 11, 2014 at 3:51 PM

“The art of picking a best president…” ,
oh that’s easy. Only those who file a tax return are allowed to vote.
No representation with out income taxation.

408 Dennis July 11, 2014 at 4:06 PM

@#405 And the Benghazi site of the attacks was left unguarded for weeks – not even a police tape barrier – so that terrorists, reporters, and locals could trample the evidence, steal classified documents and laptops, etc.
Several news agencies interviewed the “Prime Suspects” multiples times.

And the US said it couldn’t find and arrest these same “Prime Suspects” for a year?

It is an unmitigated disaster for the FBI to wait for weeks to get permission to put a forensics team on site, and to take a year to find the same people the press was finding on a weekly basis.

That’s 2 more black eyes, and a huge grade of “F” for the administration.

409 president permiso July 11, 2014 at 4:29 PM

” Under the heading “border security” on the White House website’s section on President Obama’s immigration proposal, the website gives the president credit for having “doubled the number of Border Patrol agents,” saying “today border security is stronger than it ever has been.” ”

Once again administration uses specific words and phrases to craft a very narrow meaning they can take credit for.

410 shadowblade July 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM

“what, the FACT that Obama’s got 5 TIMES the number of US Soldiers KIA PER YEAR?”

You keep ignoring the number of US soldiers KIA in Iraq in order to make a political point. Very disgusting.

411 @Dennis July 11, 2014 at 4:57 PM

Administration gets a B+ for delaying things until after the election and still.
They’re special and pick the laws they like ….

412 @shadowblade July 11, 2014 at 5:20 PM

And the point of Vietnam was ? ? ? ? ? ? Very disgusting.

Who do terrorists have to thank for all that military hardware they picked up after Libya was liberated and weapons stores went unguarded for months?

Thousands of MANPADs went missing in Libya after obama played war.
For low information voter, it’s a Surface to Air missile that one person can fire. Can bring down a passenger jet, landing or taking off.

Or the weapons including TOW missiles given to administration Vetted (trusted) Syrian rebels, …… who recently swore allegiance to terrorists taking over Iraq and turned over weapons to the terrorists, given to them by the USA?

Or all the American arms terrorists are picking up as they’ve marched across and over half of Iraq?

Only thing proven, we’re witness to an administration of Relentless Incompetence.

413 Rick July 11, 2014 at 5:34 PM

dennis and Lwood

Dumb and Dumber

414 furian July 11, 2014 at 5:50 PM


Nothing more exciting from the keyboard commandos?

How about someone yell SHEEPLE!!!!


415 OHMy Gosh July 11, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Just watched Pelosi’s news conference,
looked like an OWL that had been on a two week bender.

416 Connie Dobbs July 11, 2014 at 6:22 PM

#413 When you were crowing about the jobs report you ignored the distinction between full-time and part-time jobs ‘created,’ to score your political point, so it makes sense that you’d find that same fault in others disgusting.

417 shadowblade July 11, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Vietnam doesn’t have a lot to do with KIA under Bush and Obama, considering neither was President then.

418 shadowblade July 11, 2014 at 7:26 PM


Everything was detailed in the article posted. Not my problem if people can’t be bothered to read it.

Again…very disgusting to ignore the number of US soldiers KIA in Iraq.

419 Dennis July 11, 2014 at 8:29 PM

“You keep ignoring the number of US soldiers KIA in Iraq in order to make a political point. Very disgusting”

The topic is KIA in Afghanistan. Period. Why drag in deaths in Iraq, or Vietnam, or Korea, or WW2, or even Grenada, to a discussion of KIA in AFGHANISTAN?

Again, KIA per year IN AFGHANISTAN when Bush was Pres were 70-71. KIA per year IN AFGHANISTAN when Obama is Pres are 350 KIA.

That’s all, folks. End of discussion on KIA in AFGHANISTAN.

420 furian July 11, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Lets talk about Vietnam Vets being spit on.

That’s always fun to rehash for the millionth time!


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423 Anon July 12, 2014 at 9:32 AM

Chaney lied

Thousands died

424 Connie Dobbs July 12, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Lon Chaney? I always thought he was kinda shifty.

425 me July 12, 2014 at 4:26 PM

US reports $71 billion surplus in June; projected to have smallest annual deficit in 6 years. Bad Bad Obama strikes again.

426 @427 July 12, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Ha Ha

No war criminal dick chaney.

427 Connie Dobbs July 12, 2014 at 7:12 PM

Spell his name right, then, if you feel so strongly about it. Ha Ha

428 @430 July 12, 2014 at 8:05 PM

He doesn’t deserve the effort.

429 @430 July 12, 2014 at 8:06 PM

or respect.

430 . July 13, 2014 at 4:38 AM

‘The Timeline Of The “Border Crisis” – An Intentionally Manufactured Crisis Created To Advance Comprehensive Immigration Reform ?’

431 On Video July 13, 2014 at 4:43 AM

“With the president setting aside all these funds for immigrants and forsaken African-American community and African-American families, I think that’s a disgrace. And Barack is from the heart of 55th in the City of Chicago… He will probably go down as the worst president ever elected. Bill Clinton was the African-American president.“

“Mr. President, we’re asking for you. You’re spending billions of dollars in Texas but we got a problem here in Chicago. We will not stand by this here and keep letting this senseless killing and shooting happening in our community.”

432 Laura Zah July 13, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Get used to it. Billions just to take care of the kids for now & guess how much more it’s going to cost to let them stay here. Fine encouragement for the couple million more that are planning to join us here for the free ride in the land of socialism & welfare. Not enough jobs for us now, just wait & see what happens later.

433 Connie Dobbs July 13, 2014 at 11:20 AM

He’s got you expending effort to disrespect him five years later, so there’s that.

434 Connie Dobbs July 13, 2014 at 11:22 AM

#434 It’s not like they’re going to vote for some cracker or an Uncle Tom.

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