Water Cooler – Armed Guards at Schools

June 10, 2014 12:00 pm · 52 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

Would you feel safer if there were armed guards at local public schools?

Talk about it.

lloyd June 10, 2014 at 12:04 PM

98% of all shootings involve people on ADHD Meds…… why the hell is this not main stream media?

RunDogRun June 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Yep … to keep the little brats

Silva June 10, 2014 at 12:12 PM

#1, I’m curious how you know that?

@lloyd, #1-----What is the source of your info? June 10, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Can you cite the source, or are you just giving a figure off the top of your head?

Yes, I would June 10, 2014 at 12:14 PM

We hire armed guards to watch over our money. Are our children less important?

Tom June 10, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I really don’t think it’s necessary, but thanks for asking.

Yes June 10, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Absolutely, gun free zones are nothing but a focal point and magnet for immature rabid mental cases.

lloyd June 10, 2014 at 12:27 PM
lloyd June 10, 2014 at 12:29 PM
a June 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM

No. Won’t help. You can knock off a whole classroom of kids before the armed guard even knows something’s going on, let alone figure out where the problem is and run to the location. Then they’ll demand more funding. And more staffing. And begin justifying their existence in other ways that we can’t foresee.

It’s a free society you fools. Accept that these things are going to happen and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it. Idiots that keep trying are deteriorating out way of life.

rkt88 June 10, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Would I feel safer? No.

Would I feel that my children in school are safer? Marginally
Would that marginal safety be worht it? Not sure, I’d probably rather have increased quality/quantity of teaching staff.

Do I think teachers should be allowed to CCW on campus? yes

Atticus Thraxx June 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Nope. But then I rarely go near schools. Your gonna put people in schools with guns, choose them wisely. Panicked guard’s bullets will kill your kids just as dead as a maniac’s.

SKS June 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM

If they will be union employees, no.

KJ June 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM

No. I don’t feel safe when I’m near anyone with a gun — even the police.

Nuttsie the Nutter June 10, 2014 at 12:57 PM

@ lloyd. Wow. Those are some great reference articles. So informative and scientific in their conclusions.

Did you also know that in almost all mass shootings, the shooter was either wearing or had just worn shoes. And they had all either just or were about to eat a meal. And, they had either just taken or were about to take a breath.

Michelle June 10, 2014 at 12:58 PM

There is and has been a police presence at the local Jr. High and high schools. The high schools all have offices for the attending officers. At least for four years that I know of.

Michelle June 10, 2014 at 12:59 PM

But then again, city police may not count as armed guards.

Gonzo June 10, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Since Parenting is so poor these days. Yes Schools need all the help they can get and survelliance cameras everywhere.also.
Random Backpack and locker searches should talk place also.

@lloyd, #1-----You're citing an OPINION article, by a college sophomore June 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM
anon June 10, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Then why do we have Police Officers? I think we should have armed security that are highly trained by professionals. After all, students have guns in school all the time.

Dorothy June 10, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Wouldn’t the armed guard be the first one taken out? Would the armed guard be allowed to shoot one or more of armed kids? Don’t the schools already have at least one police person assigned to most of them?

Doubt an armed guard would stop much.

Mister Wister June 10, 2014 at 1:09 PM

@#8 #9,
You obviously either didn’t read or don’t understand your own links.

WC June 10, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Thanks for the references Lloyd. Over medicated crazies.

Mr. John June 10, 2014 at 1:14 PM

Better use of the funds: Pay for more teachers. Studies show that 16:1 is an efficient ratio for teachers to pupils. We’re around double that right now… We are not going to fix California by underfunding the services that develop our communities.

Sid June 10, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Do you mean armed private security guards? Absolutely not! What a horrible thought!

I would like to see school resource officers returned to the high schools. Those are actual Concord police officers, not private security.

We don’t need armed guards of any sort at elementary or middle schools. The school district would be better off spending that money on good old fashioned yard duty staff to keep the kids under control or on more teachers, psychologists, librarians, teaching assistants, or the like. If we’re talking about police officers, Concord would be better off spending that money on officers patrolling the streets fighting real crime rather than mediating playground disputes over whose turn it is to climb on the monkey bars.

If the concern is defending against school shooters, pass effective gun control measures to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and lunatics.

Concordejet June 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM

No, just higher taxes

NoArmedGuards June 10, 2014 at 1:29 PM

No. I do not think having armed guards in schools would help. What would help is if teachers could discipline kids, parents could be parents again; and teachers and parents could discuss odd behavior without the parents getting defensive about their little “angel(s).”

@Nuttsie the Nutter June 10, 2014 at 1:31 PM

keep trusting what Main Steam Media only reports on. I’m sure Media corps paid for by Big Farma would love bad publicity on their Awsome drugs. Try listening to real media!

foonman June 10, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Not a bad idea…..but I would like to see the kids in uniforms and put a little order in their lives…..it would help them in later life…..having experienced some organization that they don’t get elsewhere…..

annon June 10, 2014 at 1:36 PM

No, private security guards are not trained watch over the various age groups of children. Do you really want to put people making something a little over minimum wage carrying a gun in school?

gimli June 10, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Whatever happened to this program. The Secret Service released a report in 2002 with the findings from all school shootings from the 70’s until ’02. It lays out the details with statistics of the makeup of these types of shootings. Most shootings were stopped by means other than law enforcement. In 2/3rds of the cases more than one student knew something “bad” was going to happen on the day of the shooting.

Horse n around June 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM

# 27 has it right!

Antler June 10, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Each school should have restricted-entry gates to campus, every student and teacher would go through a metal detector and would have fingerprint-validated (or a magnetic-strip type of ID card) access. These gateways should be monitored by an armed police academy cadet in a bullet-proof enclosure. Visitors would go through the metal detector and then need to be vectored through an adjacent hall to the office (two trained, armed staff members there), where they would show picture ID, state their reason for being on campus, and have their legitimate presence verified by staff’s communication with the teacher expecting them.

There should be police officers, including at least one K-9 officer, vehicle-patrolling the streets on the school perimeter and the immediate neighborhoods…..random pattern.

All because we don’t have enough mental healthcare. And we do not keep sex perverts in prison forever. And we do not require universal background checks for firearm purchase. And we allow sale of extended clips (and the firearms which can use them) to civilians. And we citizens of Claycord are too cheap to pay for adequate crime PREVENTION measures and police PROTECTION. Listen up, Law Enforcement….enough of paying yourselves high salaries and then claiming you only owe us RESPONSE time, action if the crazy and/or criminal happens to still be there, and then a full written report!

All right, I know those ideas are not perfect and would be difficult to implement. I know all the precautions would be expensive. I know I just lost my temper and shouted. But these are our CHILDREN!


I'm The Urban Spaceman June 10, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Are these guards better armed than the students?

Let's Imagine... June 10, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Someone armed on campus sees another person trying to track the shooter and not knowing it’s a good guy, then shoots that person instead.

It would be a nightmare.

Antler June 10, 2014 at 4:09 PM

#34….. Remember that metal detector at each school campus’ entry gate and guard house? Perimeter fences would need electronic perpendicular-intrusion alarms to detect anything being thrown over the fence …. location pinpointed in the office, etc..

#35…. I did not suggest armed police (nor anyone else “undercover”) patrolling INSIDE the school-ground perimeter. All law enforcement officers would wear easily-identified uniforms, the same as always is the case if they are responding to an emergency call elsewhere in the community. Your point is a good one, though, and bright vests might be in order for first responders to a school emergency.

The Mamba June 10, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I guess so, I’d take that job. Statistically, your chances of getting into a shootout would be lower than getting killed trying to shake something loose in the vending machine.

Mr. Moses June 10, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Suburban problems…lol.

If you went to school in the inner city or any other major metro urban area in the past 20 years, you already had an “armed guard”- the Police! Every school I went to when I was living in the ghetto had a Police presence. (What’s funny is that the police were really there to protect the teachers; gotta love those Unions!) Now that the Suburbs have decayed, the new “hood” needs to adapt.

The fact that it seems most middle class people are/were oblivious to the fact that many schools for the past generation serving the majority of students (aka the “minorities”) have been so dangerous that they required a police presence is an even more troubling issue. You can’t escape it anymore by running to monolithic suburbs with people who share the same values as yourself. Now we are all living in the ghetto. Welcome to the new America!

Frankly, the only solution is to ACTUALLY care about our, EVERYONE’S children. But we don’t nor will we. This is America. Our ancestors all came here to get rich, die trying, or kill whoever is in our way. Wake up. The only practical solution is to get richer than your neighbor and move to a better neighborhood with better and safer schools with councilors and teachers who interact and care about their students in a low stress environment. This costs big bucks. If gov wont do it then you have to for the sake of your kids. And so the cycle continues.

Claytonistador June 10, 2014 at 4:38 PM

#27 nailed it. I don’t want some frustrated bored rent-a-cop with minimal training and an itchy trigger finger discharging his handgun against the wrong kid. Get real, parents. If your kid is a little punk either you need to point it out to him or someone else does, and shouldn’t be suffering any consequences for it. Everyone is so scared of litigation or offending someone hardly anyone will ID the punk until he’s locked and loaded. Snoop around on your kid’s computer. Make him give you his passwords or take the thing away from him. Limit his iPhone, iPad and gaming time. Make them do something else other than look at a little screen! GET INVOLVED! There’s a reason there are more problems these, and it isn’t ADHD drugs or the quality of the kids. HINT: It’s YOU, ADULT!

Widowmaker2213 June 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Let’s try this, hundreds of Police Officer’s retire every year. Between the age of 51-60. Hire them for $35.00- $40.00 a hour,already trained, already posess a firearm .
Only during school hours or special events.
Worth a try.
From what I’ve read regarding active shooters when confronted by law enforcement or security guards they either surrender or commit suicide..

Yaz June 10, 2014 at 5:31 PM

No. As if the “terror state” that we are raising our children in is not bad enough.

Atticus Thraxx June 10, 2014 at 5:41 PM

That this conversation even has to happen points at our eventual doom. Why don’t we just arm the kids? I trusted both mine alot more with a handgun at age 10 than the average adult I meet now.

Drluddite June 10, 2014 at 6:48 PM

More guns is always the answer. Let’s think of some other dangerous places where we could feel safe if there were more guns around. I’ll start, the public pool, concert venues, airports, space, Disneyland.

mika June 10, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Don’t need guns, just their presence (guards/campus supervisors)

Crazed Killer June 10, 2014 at 9:46 PM

NO! Absolutely not!

NotPC June 10, 2014 at 10:19 PM

Train and arm the teachers. Then pay them more.

Simple Logic June 11, 2014 at 6:46 AM

The only person who can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Teachers get free training at FrontSight. If they were trained properly, it’s a no brainer.

Aspirin June 11, 2014 at 3:10 PM

School access can be better controlled. Anyone entering a school should have to pass through a controlled, guarded entry point, just as done in military or secure industrial facilities. School yards are now fenced but the fencing could be improved in many areas.

Underwood June 11, 2014 at 4:07 PM

We need parents who aren’t too occupied by their “career” to notice when something is wrong with the child they barely raised while b.s. social and other media told them how to be men and women, (i.e. not at all the way men and women should behave), and to discipline them before they decide they are special little emo-flowers and every one should be treating them like they are great instead of the socially under-developed time-bombs they are. That would be better than needing guards.

Sid June 11, 2014 at 5:24 PM

MDUSD and Concord are talking about returning School Resource Officers (police officers) to Ygnacio Valley HS, Concord HS, and Mt. Diablo HS. They would split the cost.

Ben F. June 11, 2014 at 6:42 PM

One hundred years from now kids will study the history of the United States. They will hear about this horrible short lived document called the Constitution of the United States.

They will be the safest generation of all time. Let out of their cells for fifteen minutes a day. They will live in a country called “the united resources of trans world walmart micro systems.”

It’s too bad that freedom required personal responsibility as a active factor. The laughter of King George can be heard from his grave. “Americans, as short lived as they were arrogant.”

Briton will still be Briton, France will still be France, even Germany will be be Germany, so sad. The freedom of kings pissed away by lazy, ignorant, greedy, people who would rather be slaves.

Don’t bother to respond, go read up on Miley, or Kim Kardashian, spark up a joint with your kids and watch tv.

Atticus Thraxx June 11, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Ben F. Haughty words do not a valid point make. Our Constitution has a built in resiliency. It’s dynamic. You experience a brief moment in history and you declare our empire dead? That’s pretty f**king arrogant in it’s own right. Your also selling the American people short. Just like the Brits, and the French and the Germans you so admire, did. And all of them got their asses handed to them. Had I a gauntlet, I’d smack you in challenge, sir.

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