UPDATE: Two People Shot in Walnut Creek Minutes After Leaving Concert at the Concord Pavilion

May 25, 2014 23:06 pm · 181 comments

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As we first reported, there was a shooting on Ygnacio Valley Rd. & Oak Grove Rd. in Walnut Creek on Sunday night.

The vehicle pictured above arrived at John Muir in Walnut Creek just a few minutes after the shooting.

The following update is from the Walnut Creek Police Dept.:

Suspect: Black male adult, early-mid 20’s, medium build, 6′-6’02” tall, wearing a black 3 hole mask, t-shirt and blue jeans. Armed with a semi-automatic handgun.

Suspect Vehicle: Light colored Honda (or similar type) four-door sedan.

Victim Vehicle: White four-door Mercedes

Narrative: On Sunday night just before 8pm, the Walnut Creek Police Department received numerous 911 calls reporting several shots fired into a vehicle at the above location. Witnesses said the victim and suspect vehicles were driving westbound on Ygnacio Valley Road approaching the red light at Oak Grove Road. The suspect vehicle pulled up alongside the victim vehicle and shots were fired into the victim’s front passenger window. The suspect then exited the car and fired numerous times into the victim’s vehicle, striking both the driver and front seat passenger. The two victims (adult female driver and adult male passenger) had just left a concert at the Concord Pavilion.

The suspect vehicle then fled northbound onto Oak Grove Road. The victims were taken to John Muir Hospital for treatment and their condition is unknown at this time. Anyone with information or who witnessed the above is encouraged to call the Walnut Creek Police Department at (925) 943-5844.

101 BayArian May 26, 2014 at 9:34 AM

keep the ghetto concerts out of concord. problem solved.

102 some dude May 26, 2014 at 9:35 AM

live nearby, heard this: pop-pop, then many pops, waited for sirens. they came soon enough. if it was a hit, it was not a very intelligent hit, that intersection has a lot of traffic (witnesses).

103 qwerty May 26, 2014 at 9:41 AM

Were law enforcement license plate readers, on light poles and stop light structures we’ve heard so much about, in use? Hope so. If not, what are they for?

104 John Pope May 26, 2014 at 9:47 AM

I heard that there was a carjacking with the victim shot in Antioch last night as well, but no news anywhere about that incident. Anyone heard any details?

105 iluvfriedchicken May 26, 2014 at 9:50 AM

This sounds like an attempted assassination to me. The shooter is a hitman. I bet we’ll find out the victims were secret lovers and some angry spouse hired a hitman to kill them.

106 Amature May 26, 2014 at 9:53 AM

hit failed.

Cops will clear this up quickly.

107 Annoyed May 26, 2014 at 9:55 AM

15 year killed by police recently in walnut creek … Mother son murder suicide walnut creek … 22 year old man arrested for murder in walnut creek …walnut creek man arrested in bay point for murder… 65 year old man stabs 16 year old girl in walnut creek … All of these are white crimes … Y’all racist ass people need to stfu… Y’all have crime too committed by your own kind … So stop acting like its such a squeaky clean city it’s many more crimes in surrounding areas concord, pleasant hill etc that involves white people smh …

108 57 Chevy May 26, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Gang related.

109 NoMoreFreeRide May 26, 2014 at 10:17 AM

I’m just sayin’ – Just said it all!

110 JPEG May 26, 2014 at 10:30 AM

@#3 I think this was the only comment that this was a rap concert? Look how many comments have posted claiming “everyone who thinks this is rap is stupid”. I think what people are getting at is the crowds that are drawn to “these concerts” are causing lots of problems in an otherwise peaceful area. Is that not PC? Should we not think anymore?

111 anonymous May 26, 2014 at 10:31 AM

It’s so unfortunate that this thread has become a discussion on race, music stereotypes and speculation. Praying for those who were harmed. Hopefully we will get some facts surrounding the circumstances and put the over-generalizations, accusations and speculation to rest.

112 Shuley May 26, 2014 at 10:41 AM

I love it when all of the “conservatives” here jump on the “ban this, ban that” bandwagon as soon as something like this happens. So, ban certain types of music? Concord Pavilion should only feature acts like James Taylor and Bonnie Raitt now? Nobody sees ANY problems with violating the 1st amendment?

We don’t even know what happened. Could be very possible the shooter was not at the concert. But hey…Make sense…Ban soul music. Any thoughts on making it more difficult for these criminals to get guns?? Hell no!

113 K May 26, 2014 at 10:43 AM

JPEG, the racist trolls on this site wait for any excuse to start making nonsensical statements. #3 ignored the true nature of the list of performers and instead branded the entire event as rap because they know that the other trolls will latch on and keep the racist banter going.

114 K May 26, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Anonymous #112, that is logical & wishful thinking. Unfortunately, the free for all nature of the comments section on this site allows the racist trolls to ensure that waiting on facts will never be allowed to happen here.

115 57 Chevy May 26, 2014 at 10:47 AM

@ BayCalives—-#101

The guy who just killed his roommates was in the Santa Barbara area, not San Diego. Scott Peterson was in Modesto, not Stockton. Susan Polk lived in Orinda, not Lafayette.

Get your facts straight.

116 Anonymous May 26, 2014 at 10:51 AM

This was a couple that I know personally. I cannot believe discussions about this are anything but god bless these people. He has small children and they were both way too young to be dying. This is a tragedy. You should all be ashamed.

117 Cracky McGee May 26, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Aren’t there cameras on that span of Ygnacio? I think I’ve seen them going down the hill …

118 Barbie Garrett May 26, 2014 at 10:59 AM

No this was not a rap concert. Fact, more white kids go to rap concerts than black kids.

119 94598 May 26, 2014 at 11:01 AM

FYI- there are traffic cameras at this intersection.

Also, as Concord PD quickly forces the traffic out of their city….. it would be nice for Walnut Creek to close YV and redirect the “traffic” back to the originating city. I imagine that will force the city to rethink safety at their venues and the crime post concert at their venues.

120 BagsFlyFree May 26, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Time for the Pavilion to have cameras installed on entry/exit points. Shooter would not have had a mask on paying for parking or walking on the property.

121 qwerty May 26, 2014 at 11:12 AM

@121 Yes, there is already a camera at the Pavilion. I hope it was on.

122 anonymous May 26, 2014 at 11:14 AM

I sure hope that there is a witness who can give the police the license plate number from the shooters car, so he can rot in jail. Especially since he was a coward wearing a mask and clearly has anger issues. Hope the folks shot are okay and have a speedy recovery.

123 Subterfuge May 26, 2014 at 11:31 AM

@barbie Garrett;
Yes it’s true more white folk go to rap concerts than black folk. However, black folk still make up the majority of violent crime victims and perps at those shows. And that’s before the cops get involved and start sicking their dogs on fools.

124 Mr. Pink May 26, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Shocking. Not.

125 Pleasant Hill Resident I May 26, 2014 at 11:56 AM

I’m sad to see such ignorance, racism and elitism throughout these comments. It must be exhausting to be so hateful.

I hope that the victims are in stable condition and that more clues to this story surface shortly.

126 @123 May 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM

rest assured the car was stolen at some point

127 . May 26, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Simple search every car entering the Pavilion.

128 mutts May 26, 2014 at 12:17 PM

It’s about certain people not being able to get together without killing each other. I thought they’d clean out the gene pool but they just keep breeding.

129 theonly May 26, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Sounds like whoever was driving that particular Mercedes had an hit on them.

130 Simple Man May 26, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Anon 117, tell us more about the victims, and do you think this was a planned “hit?” Does the girl that went home from the hospital have any info to help the police? I do hope the man survives, as no child should lose their daddy, especially like this.

131 Simple Man May 26, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Somebody out there reading this must know more…fill us in.

132 Cynic May 26, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Mutts, part of me is disgusted by your comment, but I have to admit that part of me agrees. I noticed that #117 said that “he” has small children, which implies that the mother is not the girl he was with. Sad to say, but it is not uncommon for people that live the ‘thug life” to leave a wake of illegitimate children, who then repeat the same cycle.

Those of you that think this is a racist perspective need to quit being so sensitive, and realize that this is an observation, and reality. This is not a race issue, it is social issue. This is a cultural issue. While there is no doubt that race (only because of demographical realities) is an aspect of these situations, it certainly is not a cause. If people want to change a perception, they need to change the image they wish to be perceived differently. Our instincts to profile are a survival mechanism, part of our DNA, part of the reason each of us exists. We are not born with the profiles already developed, just with the instinct to profile. We LEARN the content through our life experiences. Sorry folks, stereotypes are often true, we are just too ashamed to admit it.

133 Rob V May 26, 2014 at 1:17 PM

KBLX has had 17 Stone Soul Concerts and a majority of them have been in Concord and this is the 1st shooting. And not at the concert,it was nearby.This could have happened anywhere and any fool can see this was definitely personal.Don’t blame the event,blame the individual.I need to learn to read these articles and stay away from the ignorant comments.People say what they feel with no fear of retribution because they can hide behind their computers.

134 LL May 26, 2014 at 2:08 PM

It could have happened anywhere. The music was not rap music. So all that are trying to blame the music and people attending. what ya gotta say bout the Maniac in southern cali. Who went on a shooting rampage,because he felt rejected by his peers?? Oh and stabbed and killed 3 people before going on a shooting rampage!! Wow!! May all involved and were killed rip . Hope the 2 victims of this shooting are gonna be okay. Prayers are with all the families of each victim of these 2 horrible incidences.

135 Kevin May 26, 2014 at 2:23 PM

I can’t believe the racist words coming form all you ignorant people. People in the Creek have no that Pittsburg has the same national crime rating as Walnutcreek. You all live in a Lilly white Community that thinks your perfect. I live in Concord, I’m white, I’m an NRA member but I’m no racist. Pull your heads out of the sand. The Pavilion is a place for everybody from Christian Concerts to Graduations.

136 Moi May 26, 2014 at 2:30 PM

@K … Are you really @Katy? You sound the same. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen! C’mon, you’ve gotta have thicker skin than that!

137 Anon May 26, 2014 at 3:41 PM

It’s only news worthy if the shooter is white, as that is out of the ordinary, as a previous poster pointed out. If they are black, it is just another day in the hood.

138 Pinkberry Grrl May 26, 2014 at 3:43 PM

The glass in the Mercedes windows didn’t shatter? Is that normal? Pretty car…

139 JPEG May 26, 2014 at 3:47 PM

Sometimes when people disagree with me I call them a racist.

140 nomorefreeride May 26, 2014 at 4:05 PM

@ Pheonyx – It happened in Walnut Creek

141 Anon May 26, 2014 at 4:21 PM

When someone calls you a racist, thank them. It likely shows their own ignorants of the English language as well as the facts. In other words, like it or not, but if the people involved are black and from out of town it isn’t racist to say “these out of town blacks seem to cause problems”. It would however be inappropriate to say “all blacks cause problems”. Again thank those who call you a racist, because of them you can help them learn what the term means and how to use it correctly.

142 me May 26, 2014 at 4:51 PM

@Shuley

make it harder for whom to get guns? the only laws ever proposed to tighten gun laws do NOTHING to make it more difficult for thugs to obtain guns and everything to do with making it more difficult for law abiding citizens. Im very doubtful this was a legally obtained gun or the ballistics would be of ATF record and easily traced. no one would use a legally obtained fire arm to commit a violent act because of the ballistic finger print that is on record for every legally obtained gun.

who the hell was in the area and didn’t run this puke over? beep beep coming threw. Prayers for the victims and their families. I dont care who you are if you pull a gun in traffic around me your going to have 7000 pounds of ford on top of you.

horrible irony. if you Hollywood stop a traffic light you can bet you will get a $495 ticket in the mail with no less than 6 highly definable pictures of yourself your license plate, heinously violating the law but something like this happens and nothing. Prayers for the victims and their families.

143 Teacher Wannabe May 26, 2014 at 4:51 PM

1. If the suspect had a mask, how do we know it was a black male, early-mid 20’s?
2. The victims may have been at the concert, but who knows if the suspect was even there? Cameras at the venue, as one suggested, would have been useless unless the suspect showed up wearing the mask (lol).

3. Prayers for the victims and I hope they catch the retard.

144 Always Right May 26, 2014 at 5:26 PM

I like what Cynic had to say in post 133: “This is not a race issue, it is social issue. This is a cultural issue.”

The KKK was responsible for a total of 3,446 lynchings of African Americans over 86 years. That is about 40 deaths per year. Compare that to the over 6,000 African Americans killed EACH YEAR by other African Americans.

Is it racist for a white person to point this fact out? Or is it racist to ignore this horrible fact and pretend there is no problem with the thug sub-culture that is a plague on the African American community?

145 Claycordian May 26, 2014 at 5:40 PM

That poor Mercedes.

146 Moi May 26, 2014 at 6:15 PM

@teacher wannabe: He was wearing a T-shirt, assuming short sleeves (it was hot!) so I guess people identified his race by his arms and his physique – ? Plus, that is not a typical MO done by whites, Indians, or Asians…

The police reported they all were at the Concord P., not sure how they know that but I am assuming the woman who was released from the hospital. Police are asking for info about the suspect so maybe the woman doesn’t know the suspect, but who knows. They also noted that it’s unclear whether an altercation began at the concert or in the parking lot, whether that is conjecture on their part or info from witnesses will something we’ll have to wait to find out, if we find out.

147 Twillight Zone May 26, 2014 at 6:16 PM

It has been my experience when leaving the Concord Pavilion, or driving on YV toward Walnut Creek, that I too get shot at 9 out of 10 times. It would be illogical to say this happened because of the crowd this concert attracted. To the locals who have lived here their whole life you must have forgotten this is normal. You should not post on Claycord your disapproval of people doing hood rat things with their friends. If you don’t care to join the “There are no bad people, just bad decisions” crowd then please wear a scarlet “R” so we, “The Accepting Ones”, can see you as the racists you are.

148 Silva May 26, 2014 at 6:25 PM

So do we know whether or not this crime had anything to do with the Pavilion?

149 Hatetosayit May 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Victims
Female: Pacific Islander mix has dated several Bay Area rappers
Male: African American from Sacramento self described hustler owns a fashion line too young fly and flashy or young flashy and fly something like along those lines…

150 Wondering? May 26, 2014 at 6:54 PM

Suspect knew what he was about to do and most likely had it plan; I’m just saying because it’s all too perfect.

So again, incident people who may have had a great time at the concert and were on their way home, a punk does this because of what?

Incident people got injured. My question is why isn’t there any protesting taking place?

151 @wondering May 26, 2014 at 7:06 PM

I’m assuming “incident” was innocent autocorrected… I think if you knew the victims you might reconsider the use of the word… At the least extent you can’t glamorize a thug life and culture and be called innocent when you run a foul in said thug life and culture. Both victims emulated the thug life maybe this incident will give them a new perspective about what they think is so cool and hard.

152 JPEG May 26, 2014 at 7:06 PM

@wondering? Care to say that in English?

153 lorrieslife May 26, 2014 at 7:20 PM

“KBLX–The Quiet Storm”……. I love that station!

154 JPEG May 26, 2014 at 9:23 PM

This guy wasn’t selling apparel. Looks like he’s just laundering money. Katy where you at?

155 Dr. Jellyfinger® May 26, 2014 at 9:27 PM

This is why they should stop having those Saturday evening concerts in downtown Clayton. It is only a matter of time until some crazed, easy listening music Homie decides to pull out the artillery & blast another car full of concert goers for dissing him or flashing their suburban gang signs.

156 Digger May 26, 2014 at 9:32 PM

JPEG I think you nailed it did you see his fashion line and facebook?

157 curbstomper May 26, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Im sure he earned that benzy in an honest paying legal occupation

158 57 Chevy May 26, 2014 at 10:02 PM

@ Dr. Jellyfinger—-#155

Okay, sure.

159 Laura May 26, 2014 at 10:28 PM

The crime had NOTHING to do with the Pavilion for the comment left above.

160 Walnut Creek May 27, 2014 at 1:27 AM

Never ignorant getting goals accomplished.. Walnut Creek this happened in your city! it’s you’re responsibility now.. Don’t point the finger.. Where was your police force on break? What are you going to do about it? Are you brave citizens of the mighty fine city of Concord /Walnut Creek going to step up and be witnesses? I see a lot of balls on the page but go talk to the police and tell them what you saw! Solve your crime! God is all of the good and none of the evil!

161 TQ May 27, 2014 at 3:00 AM

I have read some of the comments and was saddened by the stereotypes that are portrayed. The assumption that violence after a concert automatically propels people to argue that they need to better screen the acts performing and to label it as a rapper event demonstrates as much ignorance as the erson performing the senseless act. The reality is senseless acts of violence are erupting everywhere across all color, professional affiliation, age, and income lines. Just ask those injured after violence erupted after a rodeo event this weekend if that means they blame the horses for attracting the wrong crowd.http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/25610084/three-reportedly-shot-in-bartow-county-shooting#ixzz32oBabCeC

162 cornfed May 27, 2014 at 4:20 AM

To the “violence can happen anywhere” crowd…

I’ve got news for you. Violence and crime don’t “happen”. They are perpetrated by a specific person(s) at a given time and place. Yes, they can be perpetrated nearly anywhere, and are disproportionately done so by non-whites. I said DISPROPORTIONATELY, not ALWAYS. And it doesn’t matter what stupid concert was at the Pavillion, scumbags will be scumbags, white, black, or whatever. But the fact is, these after-concert incidents are committed mostly by out-of-area blacks. Let’s deal with the facts, then go from there.

163 Rollo Tomasi May 27, 2014 at 7:53 AM

@me #142:

There is no database with ballistic “fingerprints” of legally obtained firearms. You watch too much TV. Do some research.

“A California Department of Justice survey, using 742 guns used by the California Highway Patrol as a test bed, showed very poor results; even with such a limited database, less than 70% of cases of the same make as the “fingerprint” case yielded the correct gun in the top 15 matches; when a different make of ammunition was used, the success rate dropped to less than 40%.”

164 Terrible May 27, 2014 at 8:06 AM

I was very shocked to hear about this crime. I hope the low lifes that did this will be caught soon.

165 Sharktopus May 27, 2014 at 8:30 AM

And that is why you never scuff up another mann’s Nike’s.

Seriously who ever was shooting was a hell of a shot, that is some nice grouping on that window

166 CallOfDuty May 27, 2014 at 8:34 AM

Must have used a call of duty target finder w/ that shot placement.

167 Veeblefester May 27, 2014 at 9:20 AM

I live very close to where this happened. I was in my backyard with my family, and we heard the shots. I counted 10. There were two shots that were not in rhythm, then 8 very metered shots, as my neighbor called them. Strange that I didn’t hear, or notice the other shots. Maybe he unloaded a mag from inside his car, and I didn’t hear those, then he reloaded and got out to empty another mag, just speculation, though.

My kids have been scared ever since this happened. I really could not lie to them about what they heard, they are too smart for that. That thug bastard stole some of their innocence when he tried to execute someone in my backyard. Nothing can un-ring that bell. I really hope they get this guy.

168 Rap Master Lo - T May 27, 2014 at 9:42 AM

If the Pavilion is such a public nuisance it should not be allowed to book acts that have attracted trouble in the past. Race need not be considered, just prior record for the entertainment in question. Screen the acts like you screen a contractor, check references. If there’s violence after every performance you would not book that particular act would you? Go color blind & just use common sense.

169 CallOfDuty May 27, 2014 at 9:44 AM

#167, get out of here w/ that high moral crap

170 Veeblefester May 27, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Call of Duty, your name suggests that you might spend a bit too much time playing Xbox. Chances are good that you have a difficult time distinguishing between reality and fantasy. I think it is just a bit ironic that someone with your user name thinks that protecting a child’s innocence is “high moral crap.” Maybe there is more to the link between violent video games and a generational numbness to violence. Please seek help, and get off the couch. Try exercising something other than your thumbs. When we were kids, we actually played guns with toy guns as we ran around the backyard….no blood, no gore, just our imaginations. This generation of kids watch and play blood and guts games, and emulate thugs (see flat billed ball caps, and long t-shirts.) Rather than ignoring you, and planting you in front of your electronic babysitter (TV, xbox, etc…), your parents should have played with you, and probably should have spanked you a few times.

171 david k. pleasanton May 27, 2014 at 11:33 AM

how could they not catch the guy who did this?!

With all the cameras out there you would think that this could be done more easily.

(short rant)

This seems to go on all the time. Not necessarily in concord/WC, but in other communities in the Bay and Cali. Couldn’t law enforcement develop some sort of public website which compiles this info (pics, vids, witness testimony, etc.) to be able to use as a force-multiplier against these evil people?

RE the (I count) 16 holes in the Mercedes, looks like the evil shooter used a 17 round capacity magazine. Seems criminals aren’t obeying the law re the 10 round capacity magazine, nor the law about carry conceal. Sure is nice that law abiding citizens cannot carry conceal their legally possessed firearms and are limited to 10 rounds while criminals circumvent this, carry conceal and have 17 rounds ready to go. (Sarcastic.)

I love law enforcement and they are the first people I will call when I get into or see trouble, but they don’t walk around with me everywhere I go. I have to defend myself by fleeing and can expect their response in 5 to 10 to 15 minutes, if I have a charged phone and am able to call them and once I get through their telephone tree, holding, touch tone for deaf people and transferred to the correct agency, (add on at least 2-10 min for this) maybe they will come.

With all our technology and wonderful western civilization and even though it’s 2014 CE and not 10,000 BCE, we still have ancient ridiculousness that exists such as insane, cold and murderous people out there who will do harm to people if you look at them sideways. Staying safe is part skill and part luck. Other tools we have are 2.5oz pepper spray, a close proximity stun gun, our purses/backpacks, maybe a pencil… Not that intimidating, but better than nothing I guess.

Tom Friedman said in one of his talks about Afghanistan that he would rather see someone there having a middle class job and taking care of his Mercedes and having stability rather than fighting and causing havoc. I would think that he would say the same thing about our society too which is stability that comes with a good middle class or white collar job will reduce violence. But jobs are becoming harder to find and thus more instability in our society we we have to watch out!

Lastly, keep in mind that good people are the overwhelming majority out there!

ok im done thank you phew peace.

172 CallOfDuty May 27, 2014 at 12:04 PM

170 and 171, did not read.

173 Brig May 27, 2014 at 12:05 PM

@ Rap Master Lo – T —-Do you know how many businesses we would have to close if we listened to you? Doesn’t make sense. Besides the shooting happened on the street, not at the Concord Pavilion.

174 ANNON May 27, 2014 at 2:49 PM

It’s the thugs, idiots, low life scum bags that come into the nicer areas and try to move in on us. If you have noticed there are many more of these people coming into our neighborhoods. I believe they feel they can get away litterally with murder in our neighborhoods. Lets force them out and keep them out!

175 sl May 27, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Ok, the concert was not rappers, mostly OLD TIME R&B/Soul singers that were from the “happy days” era. Pretty non violent and happy music. To generalize and say just because they are soul and it connects to violence is stereotyping. We don’t even know if the shooters were at the concert. IT is a quiet peaceful neighborhood that got visited by some bad people who did a very bad thing. Lets get the facts before we opinionate. The concert company and venue surely is not responsible for what their patrons do before or after their concert. Their purpose is to provide entertainment in a safe environment. There is no blame to the concert company or performers. Lets let the blame lay were it belongs on BAD people who decided to shoot people.

176 Atticus Thraxx May 27, 2014 at 6:56 PM

One hundred and seventy five comments in and all I come away with is Mercedes puts good glass in their cars, black does in fact sometimes ‘crack’, and if you really want to kill someone, don’t use a pistol.

177 Smart,Goodlooking&Debonaire May 27, 2014 at 8:12 PM

This is a new record for me. Every single comment I’ve made on this story was deleted. The thought police are alive and well on Claycord.com!!

178 Rap Master Lo - T May 27, 2014 at 9:32 PM

OK Brig, so the shooting happened on the street, not at the Pavilion. That means the shooters obviously weren’t in town for the concert? By your logic Lee Harvey Oswald wasn’t necessarily in Dallas to see the motorcade. You a jeeyus!

179 JPEG May 27, 2014 at 9:58 PM

@Twilight Zone are you the only sane person left?

180 JPEG May 27, 2014 at 10:00 PM

There’s a hole in my bucket dear Liza dear Liza. This thread is done.

181 JPEG May 27, 2014 at 10:02 PM

@katy please don’t leave claycord you got this thread to 181 comments.

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