Claycord – Talk About Politics

May 23, 2014 22:00 pm · 477 comments


This post is “Talk About Politics”.

Please use this post to talk about politics, and keep politics out of the “whatever” thread.

Thank you, and be kind to each other!

401 Pegasus May 29, 2014 at 6:19 PM

I read between the lines. You’re very confused, aren’t you.

402 Well Done May 29, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Really have to hand it to the graduating Army officers at West Point this week. They were able to restrain themselves and not laugh obama off the stage at their graduation ceremony.

Do have to give obama credit he only referred to himself 35 times during his speech.

403 Yhe Phantom May 29, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Dennis says: “…I have never claimed you were not in the military”

– You have been claiming this all the time for 18 months, also that I never operated a SAW…but was only a carpenter…but not a veteran.

The others only repeated your lies…so they think you were correct…you informed them of your charge I was not in the Army!

· Remember your MOS fog, you had that wrong; 51B30 not “O” ever!
· The M134- sounds like a “saw”!
· The SAW came in the 80’s or 90’s, I don’t care, I wasn’t there.
· You said I claimed people carried 50s, in the “jungle”, you made this up…not me!

My operation of weapons as a machine instructor was shown above. My military service is obvious and clear. You want to fine shave your statement like Issa and pretend you are a misunderstood wounded dove?

Somebody is not military…definitely not military. Definitely not a Democrat.

Your post at #375 is wormy, just like a child caught in a lie.

You have been blown away just like the Camp Parks location above, “never been a SAW operator”, and the “never been in the Army” or “operated a machine gun”. Your followers believed you and thought you had presented a case, which you never did.

Bears repeating:

“Yhe Phantom never claimed “in country” Vietnam Veteran…DENNIS MADE THESE CLAIMS AND HIS IMITATORS REPEATED THEM FROM HIS COMMENTS. False reports…Vietnam Era Veteran claimed, but DENNIS ACCUSED YHE PHANTOM OF TRYING TO UP HIS CREDS BY IMPLYING “IN COUNTRY”. DENNIS FAILED TO QUALIFY AS A EVALUATOR EVER, and then says anyone not “in country’ was not in the service and has no military card like his. HE HAS NEVER SHOWN HIS CARD, HE JUST CLAIMS TO HAVE ONE.

Why don’t you answer the light infantry weapons questions Rambo?

404 Yhe Phantom May 29, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Welcome new “commenteurs” and when you feel like it, post a unique id.

By the way, they will enter false posts in your name for a while, and then mangle the spelling like Rush Limbaugh does into something like “Limbo” [Yhe Phantom became Phandumb, and shadowblade became shallowbrain], then say you are another poster or combined with someone else like pretending furian is really me as PhandumbandDumber.

They will never advance a point against any clear discussion but will cry out as Elwood and ammo do that there is a need for intelligent discussion.

Go figure.

405 Amateur n chief May 29, 2014 at 6:32 PM

‘ Obama’s West Point speech exposes his foreign-policy failures ‘

406 With one exception May 29, 2014 at 6:45 PM

No one has responded to you know who. As someone else predicted he is wildly posting.

Stay with it people. Don’t provoked.
Stay strong!

407 Ouch May 29, 2014 at 6:50 PM
408 Yhe Phantom May 29, 2014 at 6:53 PM

- The President assured the West Point graduates the days of ordering people to die just to up the price for oil, is not in the cards for two and a half years.

If they are lucky, she will extend the mission of world Peace.

Soldiers may die for our country but I’m sick of our people dying for some third world country that just wants to vote for their own tribal dictator.

The military academies are teaching “fourth” generation warfare anyway so our military knows lives will not be wasted but they will ever be at risk.

Military veterans know what this means…Republican hawks do not.

1. Airborne tactical insertion, execution, extraction, mission accomplished.

2. Aerial unmanned ordinance platforms.

3. Combat air defense and naval air production.

4. Intercontinental nuclear defense.

Our officer corps knows this.

409 Turn Your Back May 29, 2014 at 6:55 PM

‘ Sgt. Daniel Somers put a bullet in his head, leaving a chilling note damning the scandal-hit VA for failing to treat his PTSD.’

“Is it any wonder, that the latest figures show 22 veterans killing themselves each day?”

410 furian May 29, 2014 at 7:07 PM

I love all the wingies crying about supposed foreign policy failure.

How about we invade another third world hell hole so the military contractors can get rich? You know, a lot like Putin and that other guy, what was his name again, W?

Now watch the wing dings squeal like piggies that I dare mention Bush!

Squeal piggies, squeal!


411 Yhe Phantom May 29, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Copied from the thread> Very important

What Fox News Viewers Believe May 29, 2014 at 5:14 PM

According to a new survey of Fox News viewers by Reuters, this is what Fox News viewers believe:

67% Believe Barack Obama’s name sounds suspicious.
45% Believe that homosexuals are polygamists
56% Believe Sarah Palin went to an Ivy League Law school
94% Believe Reagan lowered the National Debt
88% Believe that Bill Clinton failed as a President, because of his affair with Monica Lewinsky
99% Believe that communism, socialism, fascism and tyranny are all the same
70% Believe Barack Obama was born in Kenya
84% Believe the Tea Party is a grassroots movement without any corporate sponsorship

412 Connie Dobbs May 29, 2014 at 7:36 PM

[State Department spokeswoman] JEN PSAKI: I would argue the president doesn’t give himself enough credit for what he’s done around the world, and that’s how the secretary feels too. We would not be engaged in comprehensive negotiations with Iran, which is where the program is stalled and is rolling back, if it were not for the role of the United States, along with the P-5 plus one partners, certainly. Ukraine, we’ve been engaged more or as much as any other country in the world in supporting the elections process and supporting the government and supporting their efforts moving forward. Yes, there’s more work that needs to be done. The point is, we need to continue to stay at it.

[Associated Press reporter Matt Lee] Q : But isn’t this a potential mission accomplished situation?

PSAKI: Absolutely not.

Q: Jen, you would argue the president doesn’t give himself enough credit? How much credit would you give him?

PSAKI: Well, I think what I’m — I would give him more than he has given himself. That’s what I just said.

Q: What, like, 200 percent credit?

PSAKI: So would the secretary.

Q: So — and for — and for –

Q: Credit for what? I’m sorry, credit for what?

Q: For what, yes, exactly? That’s the point.

Q: No, I mean, I don’t — I don’t mean, like, he doesn’t deserve credit.

Q: For the Iran negotiations?

Q: I mean — I mean — I’m talking, what specifically are you talking he doesn’t get enough credit for — (inaudible)?

PSAKI: For engagement initiatives like Iran, what we’ve done on Ukraine, efforts to dive in and engage around the world.

(Cross talk.)

Q: I mean, Russia has still annexed Crimea. I mean, Iran — there’s ongoing negotiations, but is that the success here that you’re talking?

PSAKI: We’re talking about engagement in the world and taking on tough issues that present themselves. And the United States continues to play a prominent role doing that.

413 furian May 29, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Come on wingers, tell us you want war with Iran and Russia!

Say it loud you cowards!

And tell us how you’re going to pay for it.

Let me guess, like every other winger, you got nothing.

Wingers are just sad, empty HOOTS!

414 Awww May 29, 2014 at 8:15 PM

The few suckers who already bought tickets for a speech by Hillary Rodham Clinton next week in Colorado may be a little miffed. Seems so few tickets had been sold they dropped the price by 66%.
Wonder how soon they’ll be cancelling events?

415 Anonymous May 29, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Congrats to posters. No matter how hard he tries he is being ignored.

416 Go Phantom!!!! May 29, 2014 at 8:33 PM

You people don’t get it. He serves his function by countering your moronic comments. There are plent of us reading what he writes and saying good job. But keep thinking your small cirlce of wingers can shut him down or that a majority people think like you. They don’t.


417 ..... May 29, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Remains to be seen if in their blind panic democrats and obama administration will violate the Hatch Act. Although they should be very familiar with it, since it was their behavior that caused the act to be passed in the first place.

418 Anon May 29, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Leave it once again to the Democrats to overreact to events and try to further their anti-constitutional rights, al la AB1014. Of course our Bone Head Bonita supports it, why wouldn’t she as she is an idiot.

419 Anon May 29, 2014 at 8:37 PM

@Yhe PhfatTired

ZZZzzzz……… dude, get a clue.

420 Spend it, they got more May 29, 2014 at 8:45 PM

“No end in sight to this brazen spending': Taxpayers picked up $2.1 million tab for Secret Service protection during Obamas’ 2013 Africa vacation”

“Other documents show that flight expenses related to the Africa trip cost another $8.1 million”

421 et-al May 29, 2014 at 8:52 PM

And now another fantasy illegitimate personality is born @ 416. The little bastard can now join it’s illegitimate siblings.

422 @418 May 29, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Read page two and three.

Wonder if campaign contributors will benefit?

423 Go Phantom!!!! May 29, 2014 at 9:12 PM

And take Furian with you.

424 Invasion ? May 29, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Is being reported that enticement of prospect of amnesty is causing massive numbers of illegals from central and south america to cross our southern border. They are coming across the border and handing themselves in knowing they won’t be sent back or detained, just let go inside our country. Illegals picked up in south Texas are now over 2,000 per day.

425 Dennis May 29, 2014 at 10:28 PM


explain why it took 18 months for you to acknowledge that you were a Vietnam ***ERA*** veteran, but not actually a VIETNAM veteran? Answer: because you tried to con people for 18 months into thinking you were a ‘nam vet. You could have at any time corrected the “misinterpretation”, but you chose not to do so.

And it was YOU bragging about being a SAW operator, and after 18 months you admit that what you operated was a handsaw. Once again, blaming others for the “misinterpretation” which you could have corrected at any time, but resisted for 18 months.


And PS why don’t I answer your idiot “murphys Laws for GI” BS questions?

Answer: That has nothing to do with yur intentional deceptions. All it does I open an avenue for you to change the subject away from your lies, into a discussion of things which don’t involve you.

Bottom line: your credibility is shot. That includes your pathetic attempts to make ME the target, not YOU.

426 @419 May 29, 2014 at 10:29 PM

Certain people are being ignored. You can help . Just ignore him. Fun to watch him. The one thing he wants is attention, any attention. Help us deny him that, please.

427 ...... May 29, 2014 at 10:48 PM

And all phantom and his circle contribute to society is CO2.

428 ...... May 29, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Sounds like furian is about to tip over and go ballistic.

429 Dennis May 29, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Why isn’t the CA media covering this? Why do we have to go to the WSJ to get this info?


California Drains Reservoirs in the Middle of a Drought

The state desperately needs water, yet federal policy sends huge ‘pulse flows’ into the Pacific to benefit fish.

One of the worst droughts in California’s history has devastated more than a half-million acres of the most fertile farmland in America. In communities like Sacramento, “water police” go from door to door to enforce conservation measures. There’s even a mobile “app” to report neighbors to city authorities so they can be fined for wasting water.

With the Sierra snowpack at 4% of normal as of May 20, Californians will desperately need what little water remains behind its dams this summer. Authorities have warned some towns like Folsom—home of Folsom Lake—to expect daily rationing of 50 gallons per person, a 60% cut from average household usage.

Yet last month the Bureau of Reclamation drained Folsom and other reservoirs on the American and Stanislaus rivers of more than 70,000 acre feet of water—enough to meet the annual needs of a city of half a million people—for the comfort and convenience of fish.

Government officials who are entrusted with the careful management of our water squandered it in less than three weeks to nudge baby salmon toward the Pacific Ocean (to which they swim anyway) and to keep the river at just the right temperature for the fish by flushing the colder water stored in the reservoirs.

These water releases are so enormous they are called “pulse flows.” They generate such swift currents that local officials issue safety advisories to exercise extreme caution when on or near the rivers. While some of the water can be recaptured downstream, most is lost to the ocean.

In January pictures of a near-empty Folsom Lake on the American River made national news. Yet on April 21 the Bureau of Reclamation more than tripled water releases from the dams on that river from 500 cubic feet per second to more than 1,500 cubic feet per second for three days—sending more than 7,000 acre feet of water toward the ocean. Elevated releases have continued for “temperature control.” On April 14 a 16-day pulse flow drained nearly 63,000 acre feet of water from dams on the Stanislaus River.

Unrealistic laws like the Endangered Species Act administered by ideologically driven officials have now crossed from good intentions to dangerous policy, and the folly cries out for fundamental reforms.

The House twice has passed such reforms, most recently in February. HR 3964 would pave the way for hundreds of thousands of acre feet of new water storage across California and promote fish hatcheries and predator control as simple and inexpensive alternatives to protect endangered species. Sadly, it remains bottled up in the Senate.

An administration that has never been shy about asserting executive powers has the authority to stop these releases through provisions in the Endangered Species Act that allow a committee of officials to suspend them. It has failed to do so.

While homeowners parch their gardens and clog their showerheads with flow restrictors to save a few extra gallons of water, their government thought nothing of wasting 23 billion gallons to lower river water temperatures by a few degrees.

The frivolous and extravagant water releases from our dams last month mock the sacrifices that our citizens make every day to stretch supplies in this crisis. In turn, they undermine the government’s credibility and moral authority to call for stringent conservation and hardship by the people.

California’s chronic water shortages won’t be solved without additional storage. Despite an abundance of suitable and affordable sites, opposition from environmentalists and the laws they have wrought have delayed these projects indefinitely and made them prohibitively costly.

Until unrealistic laws like the Endangered Species Act, the National Environmental Policy Act and the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act are balanced to accommodate a new era of dam construction, our state and federal governments have a responsibility to manage our increasingly scarce water supply as carefully as we ask our citizens to do.

Perhaps, at least, the public can draw from this tragic waste a lesson in how unreasonable our environmental regulations have become, and how out of touch are the policy makers responsible for them.

430 Elwood May 29, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Michelle say: Don’t mess with Big M!

Shut up and eat your vegetables!

431 I'm The Urban Spaceman May 29, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Dennis, we should destroy a fishery/eco-system to send water to grow Cotton and other water intensive crops, water lawns in Desert areas, (San Bernandino County)…there is a huge Economy built around the Bay Area fishery….the tragedy is killing off the Salmon Habitat.
It’s shameful you support this.

432 Dennis May 30, 2014 at 1:08 AM


It’s shameful you support imposing restrictions on water for people, while wasting 23 Billion gallons of water – that could have been used for agriculture or people – with the *CLAIMED* intent of saving fish.

You apparently didn’t get the hint that fisheries can be built?
You apparently didn’t see the movie ChinaTown?
You apparently didn’t get the message that this is about unchecked power of government over people?

It is shameful of you to support that.

433 Anon Redux May 30, 2014 at 6:59 AM

From the IRS Scandal, Day 386:
IRS: “If we disagree with you, watch out.”

Interest in the IRS’s outrageous practice of targeting conservative groups has died down a bit since this scandal first hit the news a year ago.

But a court decision handed down this week, about a similar instance of potential government misconduct, may shed more light on the way the Tea Party and other right-wing organizations were given the “business” by Lois Lerner and the rest of what appears to be a highly political bureaucracy at the heart of the IRS.

This new case may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. If an IRS agent can reject or stall a pro-Israel group’s application on the grounds that “these cases are being sent to a special unit in the DC office to determine whether the organization’s activities contradict the Administration’s public policies,” then no group, no matter what its political orientation, or cause, is safe from being subjected to a political litmus test designed by any administration of either political party.

Using the IRS to punish political foes is blatantly illegal. Internal email traffic may reveal how widespread this practice has become in the last five years.

Perhaps even a lapdog press that still thinks the problems at the IRS are a “phony scandal” will start to pay attention.

434 Go Phantom!!!! May 30, 2014 at 7:19 AM

Democratic gubernatorial candidate Alan Webber of New Mexico says of his likely political opponent, Republican governor Susana Martinez, that “We need to send her back to wherever she really came from.”

He says he meant Texas. Sure he did.

435 Connie Dobbs May 30, 2014 at 7:46 AM

You know what uses a lot of water? Illegal outdoor pot grows. They have to water the surrounding forest in the process of watering the crops. They’re the ones drying up the salmon runs.

436 Oh look May 30, 2014 at 8:32 AM

He’s going by a new name! Stay strong people and ignore him. Stay strong.

437 Antler May 30, 2014 at 8:51 AM

Dennis at #429 …….. Try reading more newspapers than WSJ….. on ANY subject! Documentaries on the salmon migration problem and the rescue process during this drought have been on TV. Millions are being transported in enormous water-filled tanker trucks from the headwater hatch areas to the Bay and other safe-release places. These little fish are not only a beloved species, they are the state’s wild-salmon industry.

438 True Colors May 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Republican gay rights groups denied booths at party’s Texas convention

DALLAS (Reuters) – Two Republican gay rights groups said on Thursday they had been denied booths at the party’s upcoming Texas convention after being told their sexuality runs counter to the party’s views.

The Metroplex Republicans and the national Log Cabin Republicans said at a news conference in Fort Worth that state GOP leadership had denied them permission for the booths at the June 5-7 convention.

“It’s time that the Texas GOP’s hypocritical policies and procedures are replaced by new ones that match the general opinion of Texan Republican voters,” Log Cabin Republicans of Texas Chairman Jeffrey Davis said.

439 Anon Redux May 30, 2014 at 9:35 AM

VA Secretary Resigns

Eric Shinseki resigned as secretary of the Veterans Affairs Department Friday after meeting with President Obama about mounting evidence of widespread misconduct and mismanagement at the agency’s vast network of medical facilities.

Commenter: “If anyone thinks that General Shinseki’s resignation will change anything they are truly naive. VA employees function as a reliable congressional incumbent reelection block.

The VA has been a model of bureaucratic insufficiency for decades.

I worked and trained at the VA in the 80s and 90s and it was full of employees who spent more time counting their accumulated benefits than caring for the veterans.

There are no incentives in the system for efficient and accountable patient care.

It is government socialism that would make an old Soviet commissar proud.

Don’t expect any changes unless the VA is forced to compete with the private system. Truly the ideal result would be to end the VA entirely and provide free care for life for all veterans wherever they live.

440 et-al May 30, 2014 at 9:55 AM

@ True Colors #438 –
Do you really believe that the convention is the venue to push your sexual preferences?

441 Laura Zah May 30, 2014 at 9:56 AM

His “can’t do” attitude was evident before the war in Iraq.

442 Obama struggles to redefine legacy May 30, 2014 at 10:00 AM

1. Our economy is in reverse and retracted 1 % 1st Quarter
2. Vets cant get medical care and are dieing
3. Our national debt is 17 plus trillion
4. No one in Obama’s admin is held responsible for 5 scandals now
5. O broke our our healthcare system
6. Obama or Holder wont hold up our countries laws
7. Putin and the rest of the world want nothing to do with America
8. China and Russia are planning on dumping our dollar

And Obama is worried about his legacy?

443 Lame Duck Countdown May 30, 2014 at 10:05 AM

158 Days

444 What security May 30, 2014 at 10:54 AM
445 Slight name change May 30, 2014 at 11:00 AM

He threw a Go in his name. Please don’t rise to the bait.

446 Yhe Phantom May 30, 2014 at 11:06 AM



– My service record was never intended to up my credentials on military subjects. Military experience is not necessary to announce Peace is better than War. Military experience is not necessary to resist petroleum price control wars, where American military is at risk, just to raise the price for Texas and California crude.

Hawks like Dennis (suggests he was Spc4) disparage any Peace supporters by denouncing them, and claiming since they have never served in the military, being disloyal “dope smoking communist hippies”, they have no right to speak. That’s crap.

Then, when ex-military shows up, they up their standard. When they find a Democrat service man, now they must have been “in country” and seen combat in Vietnam to qualify.

If no Vietnam, no opinion allowed? So if Vietnam “in country”, then you have to be wounded…then if you’ve been wounded, you have to be decorated for valor. Maggot just wants a pissing contest…but he can’t win it.

Dennis is just so full of sh-t and so are his non-combatant friends like ANON, ANONYMOUS, ELWOOD, ET-AL, FRANK, STEVE, ONE TINY DOT, TINY DOTS, AND CONNIE DOBBS. Same crap, same cunning.

The Maggot spent 18 months mangling my creds with his “no veteran”, “no machine gun”, “no jungle 50cal” stuff and then pretends it was a grassroots movement.

That is precisely why I made no claims for combat or Vietnam, it is not necessary and I wouldn’t allow a battle veteran to be maligned on the web.
People went to Vietnam who were not stationed there and do not claim Vietnam Veteran, yet they were and are VIETNAM Veterans. The ERA is not necessary. It is good manners, and a sign of respect to the “in country” for me to use the term.

All we see from Dennis is completely corrupt charges from a nobody who has not given one indication of any service other than allusions to some intelligence system and the glorification of some personal friend… and he was “spit on”, also crap! Nobody got spit on at the airports.

What difference, at this point, does it make? It was 44 year ago.

My question is why the “VETERANS” like “DENNIS”. and “ANONYMOUS”, and NOFLOW, have abandoned their Brothers at Arms?

– They have other healthcare so the hell with their “Comrades in arms”.

The Claycord Veterans and critics spend their time challenging Yhe Phantom but not a moment defending Veterans against the Republican attack on Veterans Affairs Bill Benefits, especially medical, and home care increases.

I am the only Veteran supporter on this blog…pretty good for a non-combatant carpenter Spc5, 51B30…Army strong!

…where are you Maggots on the 2014 Veterans Bill,?

Why not support our troops? You claim to be Veterans yourselves.

…filthy Maggots.

– sound of crickets -

447 Yhe Phantom May 30, 2014 at 11:07 AM

“One day after he declared that all U.S. troops will be out of Afghanistan by 2016, Obama told the graduating cadets that “the landscape has changed” with the end of the war in Iraq. The president said that Wednesday’s graduating class would be the first class in nearly a decade that likely will not be deployed to a war zone.

“(While) I was worried about critics who think military intervention is the only way for America to avoid looking weak,” he said, “just because we have the best hammer does not mean that every problem is a nail.”

Krauthammer, a syndicated columnist and Fox News contributor, said the president’s speech was misguided.

“It was an answer to the chorus of criticism, even from his side of the aisle, that it’s been a weak, leaderless, rudderless foreign policy, which it has been,” he said. “I spoke to a member of Congress who was in the armed forces and he said there was a real pettiness and a personalization of this.”

– Krathammer, leading philosopher of the New Republicans, does not understand the underling problem in Crimea and Ukraine is about a liquified natural gas (LNG) bill owed to Russia, yet unpaid by Ukraine.

– Ukraine won’t pay it’s bill, needs credit and threatens to cut off the Russian pipelines.

– Then it wants to negotiate a cheaper price per unit.

– Crimea enables a Russian LNG pipeline to the Black Sea

– Charles needs to take a course in international economics…actually this is even covered in Austrian economic theory, defective as it is.

448 Yhe Phantom May 30, 2014 at 11:15 AM

#425 Maggot

It never came up because you were harping on Yhe Phantom not being in the Army, or any Veteran, for 18 months…and I just let you slide with that stuff like I did with Anon and Anonymous…and Noflow.

Remember the Battle of Camp Parks…located in San Ramon.

…filthy Maggots

449 Yhe Phantom May 30, 2014 at 11:25 AM

#440 “et-al May 30, 2014 at 9:55 AM
@ True Colors #438 –
Do you really believe that the convention is the venue to push your sexual preferences?”

– Violation of Civil Rights, especially Freedom of Speech. As long as the Republican Party gets the IRS Tax Dollar funds for political campaigns.


450 Rollo Tomasi May 30, 2014 at 12:31 PM

Considering the recent tragedy in Santa Barbara, perhaps we should be alerting the authorities to some of the rants on this thread.

451 @445 May 30, 2014 at 12:40 PM

So paranoid. It was not the great Phantom. But one of his humble admirers.

452 True Colors May 30, 2014 at 12:44 PM

John Bohner – If you block benefits for 200.000 vets you never, ever get to say again you support the troops.

453 True Colors May 30, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Canadian Ted Cruz look alike is Grampa Munster.

454 Remember In November The Facts May 30, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Who was in office when unscheduled trillions were spent?

Who was in office unregulated banks collapsed?

Who was in office when trillion in tax cuts were given to the rich?

Thats right GOP

455 Yhe Phantom May 30, 2014 at 1:21 PM

#453 True Colors

That’s cold and brilliant.

so funny

furian don’t miss this, Go Phantom!!!! you will love it too!

456 Dennis May 30, 2014 at 1:25 PM

@Rollo good call. Sounds like he’s acting more like a cornered rat ever post; lashing out at his perceived tormenters, inventing scenarios to “explain” not only his bizarre actions, but inactions as well. Notice that he’s taken to calling all actual Vietnam Veterans “maggots”, in the same breath as he claims “brotherhood” with them? Schizophrenic.
Kinda looks like the ending to Fight Club, ya know?

457 Dennis May 30, 2014 at 1:31 PM

@Antler #437 I’m aware of the activities regarding salmon.
How many wild salmon are in Folsom lake? zero. How many in the American / Stanislaus Rivers in Sacramento? zero. How many salmon are lost each year to fishermen? zero.

How many salmon are saved by dumping 23 Billion gallons of water to make the downstream rivers a degree or two cooler? zero.

This isn’t about salmon; that was just the excuse. This is about having 4% of normal water storage, and dumping 23 Billion gallons of that reserve.

Zero measurable gains, and 23 billion gallons of loss.

458 Yhe Phantom May 30, 2014 at 1:31 PM

#416 Go Phantom!!!!

Yhe Phantom is a prophet!


“Welcome new “commenteurs” and when you feel like it, post a unique id.

“By the way, THEY WILL ENTER FALSE POSTS IN YOUR NAME FOR A WHILE, and then mangle the spelling like Rush Limbaugh does into something like “Limbo” [Yhe Phantom became Phandumb, and shadowblade became shallowbrain], then say you are another poster OR COMBINED WITH SOMEONE ELSE LIKE PRETENDING FURIAN IS REALLY ME as PhandumbandDumber.

“They will never advance a point against any clear discussion but will cry out as Elwood and ammo do that there is a need for intelligent discussion.

Go figure.”

Welcome and don’t miss the Munsters thing from True Colors.

459 Dennis May 30, 2014 at 1:38 PM

two words: Whitewater Controversy

460 Yhe Phantom May 30, 2014 at 1:39 PM

” Notice that he’s taken to calling all actual Vietnam Veterans “maggots”,

– You guys probably don’t have one Honorable Discharge among the four of you.

Why don’t the four of you even answer two questions?

Why don’t you support the Veterans Bill of 2014?

You guys claim, but only Noflow might have been Navy, and then he betrays all the Marines at Khe Sanh…nice creds…shame!


461 Dennis May 30, 2014 at 1:56 PM

concerning the “spitting on veterans” issue:

I did the google thing, and got tons of hits … and virtually all were denials by anti-war activists. Virtually all included the phrase “While Lembcke doesn’t prove that nobody ever expectorated on a serviceman–you can’t prove a negative, after all–he reduces the claim to an urban myth.”

In other words, like PhanDumbAndDumber, a haystack created by the guilty, denying their guilt.

But let’s take a closer look at that denial. You can’t prove a negative? Sure you can! Example:

Statement:There are no elephants in California. You can’t prove a negative, right? How about if I show ONE elephant, in a zoo, in California? That DISPROVES the assertion that there are none.

How many veterans getting spit on does it take to “disprove” the claim that no antiwar activists ever spit on a veteran? ONE.

as for the universal dependence on Lembcke? Who is he, and is he biased? He was in the V.V.A.W. , as was John Kerry. He actually worked for John Kerry, during the Tailwind fiasco, leading up to the Swift Boat fiasco, prior to the 2000 Presidential Campaign. Hmmmmm.

Jerry Lembcke
•Socialist professor of sociology at Holy Cross College and anti-war activist
•Engages in historical revisionism that valorizes the Vietnam era anti-war movement
•Lectures that post-traumatic stress disorder was a political invention to discredit the anti-war movement

Born in June 1943, Jerry Lembcke is an associate professor of sociology at Holy Cross College in Massachusetts, where he is regarded as a “nationally recognized expert on the Vietnam War and Vietnam veterans.” Lembcke graduated from Augustana College in 1966 with a B.S. degree in mathematics. In 1978 he earned his Ph.D. in sociology from the University of Oregon.

For the socialist Lembcke, the Vietnam War is a consuming interest. His mission is to persuade students of his view that the Vietnam War, along with all wars wherein the United States is a lead actor, are “neo-imperialist” manifestations of America’s militaristic ideal, and therefore to be opposed.

Lembcke’s views are made explicit in his 1998 book, The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam. The book, which is required reading in several sociology classes at Holy Cross, mounts two major arguments. The first is that the stories of Vietnam veterans returning from the war only to be spat upon by obstreperous anti-war activists are nothing more than “myth[s]” invented by the Nixon administration. Lembcke claims that the only documented instances of spitting involved belligerent Vietnam veterans unloading on those of their disillusioned comrades who joined forces with the anti-war movement. Lembcke’s claims are undermined by the testimony of countless veterans who have reported being spat upon by peace activists; nevertheless, his book was well received by mainstream media outlets upon its release, and many credulous journalists persist in unquestioningly recycling its claims.

The second claim made by Lembcke in The Spitting Image is that post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) was a political invention. Specifically, Lembcke argues, it was created with the explicit aim of discrediting returning veterans who expressed opposition to the Vietnam War. In Lembcke’s telling, “PTSD functioned to help erase the memory of the war as an act of U.S. aggression that we lost because the Vietnamese beat us, by rewriting it as a war we lost because we defeated ourselves, i.e. our military was stabbed in the back, our soldiers spat on, etc.” According to Lembcke, “the image of the dysfunctional PTSD-stricken victim-veterans” replaced the “historical reality” that the Vietnam War “empowered a generation of GIs who revolted against the war and joined the movement to stop it.”

In fact, the number of veterans who protested the Vietnam War was miniscule compared to the total number who served. Professor Lembcke was himself one of those few. Serving as a chaplain’s assistant during the conflict, Lembcke returned home to join Vietnam Veterans Against the War. As Lembcke himself admitted in a 1999 article for Holy Cross Magazine, he hopes to burnish the “image of anti-war warriors,” which, he claims, is at odds with the “militarism that dominates our culture.” In the same article, Lembcke warned that “Reclaiming our memory of the Vietnam era entails a struggle against very powerful institutional forces that toy with our imaginings of the war for reasons of monetary, political, or professional gain.” For Lembcke, “Vietnam symbolizes popular resistance to political authority and the dominant images of what it means to be a good American.”

In 1998 Lembcke gave a sociology lecture titled “Men, Women, and Medicine,” making the case for the “social construction of PTSD” — i.e., its invention to serve political ends. On another occasion, delivering a guest lecture for a course called “Abnormal Psychology,” Lembcke warned students to beware of the supposedly sinister political motivations behind “the mental labeling of Vietnam vets.”

During the 2004 presidential election cycle, Lembcke worked for John Kerry’s campaign. Republican attacks on Kerry, Lembcke explained in an October 2004 op-ed, were “premised on a widespread discontent about Vietnam. On the surface, Kerry is targeted because he came home from the war and joined the anti-war movement, but the gendered lexicon of the barbs themselves points to an unarticulated angst in the American subconscious that is about something more serious than Kerry’s fidelity or even the defeat in Vietnam.” What this something was, according to Professor Lembcke, was the “American character and its struggle to confront the neo-imperialist impulses common to the U.S. invasions of both Vietnam and Iraq.”

Lembcke has authored three books: CNN’s Tailwind Tale: Inside Vietnam’s Last Great Myth (2003); The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam (1998); and Capitalist Development and Class Capacities (1988). He co-authored (with William Tattam) the 1984 book One Union in Wood: A Political History of the International Woodworkers of America. He edited the 1989 book Race, Class, and Urban Change. And he co-edited (with with Rhonda Levine) the 1987 book Recapturing Marxism: An Appraisal of Recent Trends in Sociological Theory.

CNN retracts Tailwind coverage

“CNN owes a special apology to the personnel involved in Operation Tailwind, both the soldiers on the ground and the U.S. Air Force pilots and U.S. Marine Corps helicopter pilots who were involved in this action.

“CNN’s system of journalistic checks and balances, which has served CNN exceptionally well in the past, failed in this case.

“The fault lies with the editors, producers and reporters and executives responsible for the report, the program and its contents.

462 Dennis May 30, 2014 at 2:00 PM

“Jerry Lembcke) co-authored (with William Tattam) the 1984 book One Union in Wood: A Political History of the International Woodworkers of America. ”

Hey, do you suppose that our 51B4O never-in-Vietnam anti-war carpentry/masonry pro-union poster here was a member of the International Woodworkers of America?

463 RunDogRun May 30, 2014 at 2:07 PM

The latest disgrace of the Obama
Administration, medical care for
Veterans. The most ineffectual
President in US history. Corruption

464 Dennis May 30, 2014 at 2:13 PM

typo correction:
“prior to the 2000 Presidential Campaign” should be
“prior to the 2004 Presidential Campaign”

465 Dennis May 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

DAVID ATTIAS, SELF-PROFESSED ‘ANGEL OF DEATH,’ who in 2001 plowed his car into a crowd of young adults in Santa Barbara, Calif., killing four, is free under a controversial program for the criminally insane — but the DA who prosecuted Attias (top right) warns: ‘It’s not a matter of if he will ever become violent again, but when.’

It was Feb. 23, 2001, when David Attias — a then-University of California-Santa Barbara freshman and son of Hollywood director Daniel Attias — plowed his turbo-charged Saab into a group of young adults in the same Isla Vista neighborhood of the coastal community, killing four and permanently injuring another before climbing atop the car and declaring himself “the Angel of Death.” Charged with murder, he was found not guilty by reason of insanity and sent to a state mental institution. He was released in 2012, having been locked away for slightly more than two years for each of his dead victims.

Because Attias was found not guilty, he is not classified as a felon or required by law to notify prospective employers of his past.

Although the two deadly incidents were 13 years apart, the eerie similarities were not lost on the families who continue to grieve the loss of children in 2001. In addition to the sprees occurring in the same area, both killers were the sons of Hollywood directors who felt alienated socially and both used cars in their attacks.

Tony Bourdakis, father of Nicholas Bourdakis, told that the May 23 attack by Rodger brought him and his wife a sickening sense of deja vu. Rodger, whose father is a movie director whose credits include work on “The Hunger Games,” stabbed three roommates to death in his apartment, then shot three people at random in the idyllic community near Santa Barbara.

“My wife said, ‘My God, it’s the same situation,’” Bourdakis said. “It’s Friday night, just like the first time. It’s the 23rd of the month. He essentially focused the same way David Attias did. “I think [the similarity] really has to be looked into,” he said. “It really scares the hell out of me.”

466 Dennis May 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Question: What do you get from 40 years of Liberals controlling the laws in California?


467 Elwood May 30, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Big M say: Shut up and eat your vegetables!

468 shadowblade May 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Dennis #461

Still trying to convince people you were spat on while returning from Vietnam? And then you go on and attack the credibility of Jerry Lembcke, after you used a report for a scientist who plagiarized the work of others, and another who believed in divining rods? Give it up. You are a proven liar.

469 Dennis May 30, 2014 at 3:35 PM


oh look everybody! It is PhanDumbAndDumber’s kid!

Still denying reality, still propping up the ol’ Socialist propaganda BS, still trying to discredit anyone who disagrees with you.

Tell us again what your qualifications and experience are? Absolutely zero.

Go back to your video game. Take your magic sword with you.

470 Antler May 30, 2014 at 3:46 PM

RunDogRun,… As you well know, the VA travesty has been getting worse over at least a couple of decades; and neither President Obama nor his administration’s policies have done anything to cause the problem But NOW (as opposed to in the previous decades), something will be done to investigate the VA, including the use of forensic auditors and replacing those persons facilitating the falsifications and cover-up of same.

Two years ago, a distant cousin wrote me that her husband (a Marine veteran with physical and emotional problems following his service in Iraq) had been waiting over a year to begin rehab. The specific problem she pointed out was that when the senator in their state intervened on her husband’s behalf and contacted the nearest VA hospital, then the hospital took her husband OFF their own waiting list…..and placed him at the very BOTTOM of the “Congressional intervention” list (no original date of application was considered). But the veteran realized that would mean an even longer wait, so they finally re-applied for reinstatement on the hospital’s wait list. SHOCK set in when the hospital put them at the very bottom of THAT list……. a very punitive attitude and policy evidently meant to stop veterans from complaining and/or reporting problems with the VA system.

I sent letters about this SPECIFIC problem to both Erskine Bowles and to our own Representative Miller with my plea that they initiate action to change the situation, including forwarding to some others who would have the power to break up this and other travesties against our veterans.

Whether my letter helped play even a small part leading to the investigation we are seeing now is completely irrelevant. The FACT is that it will be in President Obama’s administration that the ax will finally begin to fall on the VA administrators and employees found guilty of fraud and other wrongdoings.

471 The Truth May 30, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Resume entry, LIAR to media and American People

472 Yhe Phantom May 30, 2014 at 4:00 PM


An exercise for your inspection and advice”

1. A liar prevaricates the truth.

2. The liar has to know the truth to prevaricate it into a lie.

3. Maggot never knows the truth.

4. Maggot cannot lie because Maggot never knows the truth.


473 OHGosh May 30, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Those panicked hand wringing teeth gnashing tree hugging “Save The Polar Bear” yuppies are officially looking foolish. Seems to be a trend in the obama administration, don’t like the news, just make stuff up. Kinda like that “inverter of the internet”

“Scientists Admit Polar Bear Numbers Were Made Up To ‘Satisfy Public Demand’ ”

474 Can't Change A Light Bulb May 30, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Might want to review what obama said about VA SCANDAL today.
Gives new depth and meaning to term feckless.

475 Yhe Phantom May 30, 2014 at 4:17 PM

But I was in Vietnam in 1967, not stationed…read more carefully…maggot!

476 Yhe Phantom May 30, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Machinist’s Union

477 @dennis May 30, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Of you really want to piss him off join us and ignore him. He absolutely can not handle it,

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