The Water Cooler – Teams Named After Native Americans

May 22, 2014 · 121 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

For several years, many people have been trying to get sports teams such as the Washington Redskins, Atlanta Braves and Cleveland Indians to change their name because they claim it degrades Native Americans.

What’s your opinion on this, should the teams change their names?

Talk about it….

1 Triple Canopy May 22, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Screw your political correctness. Let the names be.

Some American Indians are honored by the recognition. Where are they in the “opinion” spectrum? I’ll tell you where – they are shouted down, bullied, and silenced by the intolerant left wingers.

2 Mr. Pink May 22, 2014 at 12:10 PM

People are too sensitive. Leave it alone and move on to more important matters.

3 Horse n around May 22, 2014 at 12:10 PM

I think society has become waaaay to sensitive. Everyone is so afraid of hurting someone’s feelings. Not everybody wins, or likes you, or has the same opinion as you. Tough it up.

4 57 Chevy May 22, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I have mixed emotions on this one. Part of me says let the names remain. Then I think until you’ve walked a mile in someone’s shoes. I’m not the left or the right. Either way is fine.

5 Get over it May 22, 2014 at 12:21 PM

#1 is right. If you don’t like the Washington Redskins, pick another team to follow.

6 What security May 22, 2014 at 12:26 PM

America never respected the indians custer was a SOB he got what he deserved. Forcing the indians ont the reservation or be killed. f that

7 Dorothy May 22, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Why not name them after generic animals. The Dogs, The Cats, The Goats; The Cows, etc.? Or after bugs? The Flies, The Fleas, The Ticks, etc.? I’m sure those are all PC names.

8 RanchgirlCA May 22, 2014 at 12:36 PM

The PC police need to get over it.

9 Anonymous May 22, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Guess I’d have to defer to the opinion/judgement of those who are more-predominantly Native American. (I have one ancestor who was Native American, but that’s only one part of my varied heritage and it’s quite a ways back.) Do the majority of those who would identify themselves as “Native American” find the terms derogatory? Would they like to see them changed? Do they even care? Can’t say that I’ve ever seen a sincere and inclusive poll on this. As for me, I can see where “redskin” could be considered offensive, but find the other two pretty neutral.

10 Anon777 May 22, 2014 at 12:37 PM

There will always be someone screaming about being PC and I am sick of it. Let the names be and stop getting your panties in a bunch over nothing. There’s so many other things that need attention in this world.

And Merry freakin’ Christmas to you too!!

11 Horse n around May 22, 2014 at 12:41 PM

@ Dorothy. Oh I’m sure there will be someone out there who doesn’t like dog’s or cat’s etc. And you might hurt their feelings and then want to sue because of it.

12 your wrong May 22, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Washington redskins is like having a team named the oakland N word

13 chief May 22, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Even the surviving Navajo indian ‘code talkers’ from ww11 said they did not have a problem with it.
The only people that seem to have problems with it are the politically correct crowd.

14 your wrong May 22, 2014 at 12:44 PM

The Braves and Indians are not derogatory those are names that commemorate

15 Anon May 22, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Never thought it was degrading or being disrespectfull. Same goes for the Stanford Indians, now Stanford Cardinals.

16 PO'd May 22, 2014 at 12:46 PM

I can almost understand getting itchy about the Redskins, but the Braves, Chiefs etc are compliments. If the league forces Daniel Snyder to change their name, then PETA is going to be next-Bears, Panthers, Bengals, Lions
Rams, Seahawks, Falcons, Colts, Broncos, Cardinals, Dolphins, Eagles, Ravens and Jaguars will have to change also. When does PC madness end?

17 Concord Mom May 22, 2014 at 12:50 PM

OMG… People really have nothing better to do than gripe about team names!!! Goodness sake

18 anon minuteman May 22, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Someone sent me this last week. it is from a much larger rant but I thought I would share part of it:
“Let’s ditch the Kansas City Chiefs, the Atlanta Braves and the Cleveland Indians. If your shorts are in a wad because of the reference the name Redskins makes to skin color, then we need to get rid of the Cleveland Browns.

The Carolina Panthers obviously were named to keep the memory of militant
Blacks from the 60’s alive. Gone. It’s offensive to us white folk.

The New York Yankees offend the Southern population. Do you see a team named
for the Confederacy? No! There is no room for any reference to that tragic
war that cost this country so many young men’s lives.

I am also offended by the blatant references to the Catholic religion among
our sports team names. Totally inappropriate to have the New Orleans
Saints, the Los Angeles Angels or the San Diego Padres.

Then there are the team names that glorify criminals who raped and pillaged.
We are talking about the horrible Oakland Raiders, the Minnesota Vikings,
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Pittsburgh Pirates!

Now, let us address those teams that clearly send the wrong message to our
children. The San Diego Chargers promote irresponsible fighting or even
spending habits. Wrong message to our children.

The New York Giants and the San Francisco Giants promote obesity, a growing
childhood epidemic. Wrong message to our children.

The Cincinnati Reds promote downers/barbiturates . Wrong message to our
children.

The Milwaukee Brewers—well that goes without saying . . . Wrong message to
our children.

So, there you go.

19 anon May 22, 2014 at 1:03 PM

“Forcing the indians ont the reservation”

American law do not apply & they get county welfare

Now if they named them the Firewater Scalpers–then you have something….

20 @1,2,3, and 5 May 22, 2014 at 1:09 PM

I don’t suppose you wouldnt mind the Oakland #iggers or the Dallas Rednecks or how about the Washington Genosides. I makes me sick when i see people in this day and age doing Indian chants at games. Grow up America its time to put a stop to all racism. You took over this country by KILLING native peoples. Now you mock them? Shame on you and your fore fathers. Show some respect for the deaths your ancestors caused.

21 Anon May 22, 2014 at 1:10 PM

As a blonde haired, tall, white man, I’m uniquely qualified to tell people they are too sensitive.

22 Then I suspect you all don't object May 22, 2014 at 1:18 PM

to the calling of blacks “n***ers,”, Italians “dagos”, Germans “krauts or squareheads”, Mexicans “spics”, Poles “polaks”, Japanese “japs”, Chinese “chinks” and on and on. As a culture, the Americans like to have someone they can look down on, and the naming of athletic teams is just that; looking down on the Native American by using racially insensitive terms. Look what Pro Basketball has done; they have the Heat, Spurs, etc. Why can’t Pro Baseball do the same?

23 Ancient Mariner May 22, 2014 at 1:20 PM

I think that “Washington Redskins” is a repulsive name, offensive to all.
The disgusting part of the name should be eliminated.
They should change it to just “Redskins”.

24 Are you a hypocrite? May 22, 2014 at 1:22 PM

I wonder how many parents are posting on this story stating we’re all too sensitive, who jump all over the schools/teachers when their kid hassled at school by another kid. It’s not being too sensitive then?

Oh, no, then it’s called “bullying” and no child is allowed to develop coping mechanisms for their adult life.

25 How about this May 22, 2014 at 1:27 PM

The Houston Honkies does that seen RIGHT to you? Or how about the Cleveland Crackers? Or does that make you racist, close minded Americans fffffeeeeeeeeeel uncomfortable.

26 Antler May 22, 2014 at 1:35 PM

anon minuteman at #18 ……. I really love your quoting that piece for us….thank you!

If the tribal councils have not objected to people using such references to indicate that teams are dynamic and willing to fight to the finish, then why should we keep trying to create another hooplah over it?

27 Mr. Pink May 22, 2014 at 1:49 PM

@20 My ancestors were immigrants, so they had no hand in the “killing” of native people.

28 Mr. Pink May 22, 2014 at 1:51 PM

I think Houston honkies has a nice ring to it.

29 What's in a name May 22, 2014 at 1:52 PM

The word Redskins was originated by the Indians themselves to distinguish between them and the European white men that encountered. Somehow it has been transformed into something negative when used by non-Indians.
Why doesn’t someone complain about anything referring to be named Indians because the early explorers thought they had found a passage to India?

30 Anonymous May 22, 2014 at 1:55 PM

I’m interested in Elizabeth Warrens opinion

31 Leave it up to the Native Americans May 22, 2014 at 1:58 PM

I would say:
-Don’t name any new teams after ethnic groups
-The other team names (Braves & Indians & Chiefs) are/were no problem
– Although I don’t think it’s derogatory, I could see how either some might think so, or how it would be a precedent you don’t want to set. For example, you wouldn’t want a team named the Yellow-skins, Black-skins, Green-skins…because someone would likely be offended.
– Let a council of Native Americans decide. If they’re okay with it, then leave it. If they’re not okay with it, then change it.

32 Pyrrhus May 22, 2014 at 1:59 PM

@18 What are you going on about the Cleveland Browns? They were named after Paul Brown their first coach.

The Redskins is a racist name that people used for the American Indians. (Many prefer this name over Native American) That team should change their name. As others have said, It’s like having your team named .

The Cleveland Indians logo is pretty racist, although one could argue the same thing for Notre Dame’s fighting irish logo. As far as the name goes. would we be okay with the Pennsylvania Germans, New York Rabbis, LA Koreans, Chicago Mobsters, etc?

33 Tribal councils May 22, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Have deep pockets, they don’t always speak for all.

34 Elwood May 22, 2014 at 2:09 PM

I’m surprised that disability rights advocates haven’t protested the name Athletics.

35 Elwood May 22, 2014 at 2:09 PM

How about the vertically challenged protesting the name Giants?

36 Horse n around May 22, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Well I still laugh my ass off at the old Mel Brooks movies.

37 Mr. John May 22, 2014 at 2:11 PM

There is a line, and some of the names are on the right side and others on the wrong. Braves is not a derogatory term. Indians is a misleading, but generally nonoffensive term. Redskins is on the wrong side of that line due to the negative connotations of the name.

I think teams that are on the wrong side of the line would do well to modernize and rename their team to honor a tribe that was local to their region.

38 Mr. John May 22, 2014 at 2:12 PM

As a side note: Changing the name and images likely will result in massive paraphanelia sales – so it seems like a no brainer to switch if there is a good reason to do so.

39 et-al May 22, 2014 at 2:26 PM

How ’bout rotating names;
When a team demonstrates they aren’t fit to exist and finished dead last in their sport because they really stink, they should be required, for next season, to go by the name, The Phantom-Furians.
This would make then want to improve because the world would know they’re totally worthless.

40 Its so sad May 22, 2014 at 2:40 PM

So sad some are using humor to justify blatant racism.

41 Fr49ered May 22, 2014 at 2:51 PM

I’m a NATIVE AMERICAN. I was born in this country in 1957. I’m not offended by the native ‘merican team names.

Ancient Mariner #23 – I agree with you 100%

42 Phoenyx May 22, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Okay, I can understand where the Native Americans are coming from…

Let’s put a stop to Notre Dame’s Fighting Irish and the Boston Celtics while we’re at it.

43 History May 22, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Someday they will look back at these names and be shocked. Same way we now look at old pictures of signs like. Whites only, or. No Colored Served. Seems to be a few insensitive views posted here. Any name that hurts a group of people should not be used.

44 just a concordian May 22, 2014 at 3:02 PM

There is a Swiss soccer team called Young Boys. Anyone care to comment? Anonmous NAMBLA members? Catholic priests? Any NY police chiefs among us hailing from Sing Sing?

45 #41,23... May 22, 2014 at 3:05 PM

We do agree in an odd way. I’d love to see WASHINGTON out of the America. But thats another topic all together.

46 #41,23... May 22, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Oops, typo I meant THE AMERICAS…….

47 no handle May 22, 2014 at 3:15 PM

It is time to do away with all teams of every kind. Don’t you all know we are in the ME generation ? Forget all about the Us , the We , the Team , it is all about ME. I am #1 and you are nobody.

48 Tonto May 22, 2014 at 3:26 PM

This is all a waste time. I guess Politicians don’t have any more pressing matters to attend to, and the PC whiners got nothing better to do Waaaaaaa!!! Maybe they can change the name to the Washington Thinskins. Oh I know, how about the Washington Take White Mans Money in Casinos.

HOKA HEY!!!!

49 qwerty May 22, 2014 at 3:27 PM

The real oddity of the name “Washington Redskins” is that the nation’s capital football team is named after a race of people they attempted genocide upon, and is using a derogatory name to do it. This would be like a German soccer team named “Berlin Hymies”.

Also, I am of Native American decent. I prefer people use the term Native American rather than Indian. Indians are from India. Fix your brains.

Third, I don’t care about the name of any team using Native American monikers.

4th: Corporations will take over sports teams and we’ll end up with team names like, instead of the Seattle Seahawks, it’ll be the Microsoft Hard Drives, or Cisco 49’ers, or ?

Fifth: Team names should refer to some seminal characteristic of the city. For example, the Pittsburgh Steelers is a good name. New England Patriots is good. SF 49’ers, good. St. Louis Rams, weak. Cincy Bengals, weak. Houston Oilers was good. Los Angeles Angels is redundant. Washington Nationals is weak, Washington Senators was good.

50 Futurama May 22, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Would people be offended by the Oregon Asians Wisconsin Jews, Baltimore Blacks or the New Mexico Caucasoids? I bet they would so it’s understandable. I think braves are fine though, it’s like having a team named the samurais or minutemen, its a description of a working group not a race or ethnicity.

51 Elwood May 22, 2014 at 3:33 PM

@ Its so sad #40

It’s so sad that some people view everything through this distorted lens.

52 Mary May 22, 2014 at 3:34 PM

The political correctness of liberals has gone berserk.
They are dumbing down this country with their stupidity.

53 gimli May 22, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Dan Snyder will never change the name of the Redskins. During the Joe Gibbs era, the Washington Post even distributed “Skins” bumper stickers for a Super Bowl run. What you really need to watch out for is Cowboy fans. They infect every state, even if none of them have ever stepped a foot in Texas. It’s really a travesty.

54 ClayDen May 22, 2014 at 3:41 PM

This is getting ridiculous. It seems as if the names are meant to honor the indians/native Americans. Next, the atheists will want the Angels renamed. The Ancient Mariner has it correct too.

55 Mrs. Grundy May 22, 2014 at 3:48 PM

I think we should bow to the PC crowd for this one. If there is ANY chance that even one person will be offended the term should be banned. There is NO excuse for offending anyone, even inadvertently. I am offended that no one has banned the bad names yet!! We all know you can’t offend anyone these days, so now those names must be changed because *I* am offended.

Now, next on my list of bad bad things, sports. People get hurt!!! Can’t have that! This continuation of an evil hurtful thing to please a crowd of spectators should cease now!! No more direct (and dangerous!!)competition. It’s no better than the gladiators of ancient Rome.

Butterflies and puppies should be the rule!!

56 @et al May 22, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Please don’t taunt them. Right home he pretty much stays in politics . If he branches out and hogs other topics it would be ungood

57 Horse n around May 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Sticks and stones will break your bones but names will never offend me.

58 Jojo potato May 22, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Speaking of names… Back in the late eighties I worked for a database software company in Alameda. We had dozens of systems, at least one for every type of hardware server that we supported. We settled on animal names with the idea that the animal somehow matched the machine. We did fine with Lion, Cougar, Zebra etc. Along came Sun Microsystems with a couple small powerful systems. Naturally they were Flea and Tick. Minor chuckles all around. But it really hit the fan when we got a very large (and blue) system from IBM! We named it Whale! What else could we do?

The suits from IBM were beside themselves and complained to our CEO. He was pretty cool so whale it remained much to the delight of us engineers. Good times.

59 Atticus Thraxx May 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

I couldn’t imagine giving a damn one way or another. Lucky me.

60 Eddie Spaghetti May 22, 2014 at 4:29 PM

I just happen to be 65 feet tall and am deeply offended by the San Francisco Giants team and demand they change their name this instant!

61 TinFoiler May 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM

You’re a bunch of Sports Zombies. Quit acting like Morons and Wake the phuck up.

62 Nuttsie the Nutter May 22, 2014 at 4:44 PM

I’m kind of partial to the Oakland N words and the Wisconsin Jews.

Also among my very favorites is “Washington Take White Man”s Money in Casinos”

Hell, if we are gonna re-name the teams let’s get creative.

63 Political Correctness be d@mned May 22, 2014 at 4:47 PM

If any name offends anyone’s tender little feelings, don’t support the organization.

Anyone notice a huge lack of fans for any of these teams? A huge lack of sales for team logo’s and other trinkets?

Political Correctness is just another attempt at the vaginalization of America.

People need to get more involved in improving their own lives rather than pointing fingers and acting alarmed at what successful people are doing.

64 What's in a name May 22, 2014 at 5:00 PM

The Constitution has a provision for the separation of church and state that is widely abused.
Let’s rename San Francisco the true home of liberal

65 Its so sad May 22, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Yes Elwood that was exactly my point. I guess we then agree.

66 The Closer May 22, 2014 at 5:13 PM

@Tonto #48
Hahahaha, the Washington Thinskins about sums it up. It doesn’t matter what the team names are,as the game is on the way out anyway. We are becoming a nation of candyasses whining about hurt feelings and too much machismo. Maybe this next SuperBowl all the players can win little trophys.

67 What security May 22, 2014 at 5:16 PM

how about the Concord Honkies? :)

68 funny man May 22, 2014 at 5:21 PM

someone better have a talk with Apache then…
but tread litely, they run like 99% of the web server software on the inter-tubes
Dont forget the army either…
they named a helicopter the Chinook
then there is Chrysler … and their Jeep Cheerokeeeee

ill agree redskins is even kinda offensive as a non-native indiginous (sp) person
BUT where do we draw a line

69 ranti May 22, 2014 at 5:42 PM

why does`not some one Ask a Native American,organization What they think! instead of trying to Assume (making an as out of u and me) Most probably do not care,or find it an honor to have a pro team refer to their heritage! Stop Trying to `Baby` our fellow Americans with fake sensitivity!

70 Dennis May 22, 2014 at 6:08 PM

1 – the Seminoles (tribe) got in the face of some PC-agitators trying to get the Florida Seminoles to change their name (Out of state whites coming to Florida to “do good” for the “heathen” who were too primitive, uneducated, and poor to “help themselves”). Not only did the Seminoles (tribe) send the PC evangelists packing, they formally approved the use of the Seminoles name.

2 – there are 1 or 2 PC crazies running around filing lawsuits to force the States and Feds to rename any site using the words “Squaw”, “Tetons”, “Diablo”.

3 – Historian Stafford Poole wrote: “There are other terms to describe what happened in the Western Hemisphere, but genocide is not one of them. It is a good propaganda term in an age where slogans and shouting have replaced reflection and learning, but to use it in this context is to cheapen both the word itself and the appalling experiences of the Jews and Armenians, to mention but two of the major victims of this century.”

71 I aint no damn Yankee May 22, 2014 at 6:12 PM

I as a white person have a huge problem with the team name Yankees and the Fighting Irish and about 100 other team names.. get over it you Kansas city chief.

72 REDSKINS May 22, 2014 at 6:21 PM

The word itself is racist. Why is it so hard to understand. Sorry forgot we are in claycord. Still living in the land of nice country folk. Hope your minds and hearts open up to new possibilities someday.

73 Jojo potato May 22, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Apache as a name is a play on the number of “patches” that were required to keep the thing running in the early days. Back to our regular programming now in progress.

74 Connie Dobbs May 22, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Not only should we change every sports team named after an indigenous people, we must also change the name of every school, street, city, county, province, state, river and mountain range so named. Erase every indication that anyone was ever here before the Europeans. That’s how a successful genocide rolls.

75 Rob May 22, 2014 at 6:59 PM

ranti May 22, 2014 at 5:42 PM
why does`not some one Ask a Native American,organization What they think! instead of trying to Assume (making an as out of u and me) Most probably do not care,or find it an honor to have a pro team refer to their heritage! Stop Trying to `Baby` our fellow Americans with fake sensitivity!

———

The question has been asked to Native Americans and a lot of them don’t like it and want it changed…

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/03/washington-nfl-team-name-debate/

76 Anon May 22, 2014 at 7:05 PM

Indian casinos earned 43% of all U.S. gaming revenues. Sports teams with Indian names not hurting their business. They should be laughing all the way to the bank.

77 Julio May 22, 2014 at 7:18 PM

#1 is right. I support any team with the use of the Native American name. I like #74’s response also. Racist. I do not think so. It is the PC who consider it racist.

78 .... May 22, 2014 at 7:28 PM

When was the First Amendment suspended?
democrats need to get a life instead of endless grandstanding and pandering for free face time on TV.

79 The Mamba May 22, 2014 at 7:41 PM

The only name I have an issue with is the Redskins, because it is essentially an ethnic slur.

80 Silva May 22, 2014 at 7:44 PM

I’ve always felt uncomfortable about it. It’s disrespectful and ironic.

81 Elwood May 22, 2014 at 8:00 PM

@ Its so sad #65

Apparently you are unable to comprehend a simple declarative English sentence.

But thank you for playing.

82 Elwood May 22, 2014 at 8:04 PM

@ REDSKINS #72

We opened our hearts and minds to new possibilities long ago.

But fortunately we still know how to think rationally.

83 Dr. Jellyfinger® May 22, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Oh sure, but they can call us the “White Man” or “Pale Face” and that’s OK? Hmph!

84 John Coxon May 22, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Arrr…. I am deeply offended by the Raiders stereotype of the pirate with eye patch… we din all have eye patches, and when engaged in a contest of skills & abilities ever now & agin we’d actually manage to win.

85 et-al May 22, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Okay, Concord Coons then? Pleasant Hill Pygmies?
Walnut Creek Whites? San Francisco Fairies?

86 Austin May 22, 2014 at 9:03 PM

I honnestly believe they should change the name for various rerasons. I being America’s done enough to Native americans from hate crimes and slavery to genocide. Also why would it be ok to call a team “The redskins” It’s a racial slur. They changed other teams names why can’t they change this one. Why would they put Native americans as a mascott while the other teams are animals. This just looks bad. They should change the name to Washington solidiers or minutemen. If they named a team white devils or asian railroad worker or black panthers (sorry not trying to be racist just trying to show a point) how would you feel ? Hearing that team name and seeing jeresys like that. It should be changed

87 Atticus Thraxx May 22, 2014 at 9:08 PM

I’ve always like Casper or Fishbelly or Conky. Winners get to make the rules right? Thank God we did slaughter them. Imagine the sports team names if they won?
‘ Denver Dances with Mayonaise’ or ‘Dallas Peckerwoods’.

88 Mark May 22, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Stanford should have never changed from Indians.

89 @ Elwood May 22, 2014 at 9:41 PM

I was being sarcastic, get your head out of your as#

90 Dr. Jellyfinger® May 22, 2014 at 9:57 PM

In professional Ping Pong there’s a team called the “Coolies”.

91 ANON Native May 22, 2014 at 10:42 PM

You call us INDIANS. Morons. You want to go out and bust down some teams name because it degrades us? That has nothing to do with me, it is just Americans fighting over another stupid topic that is irrelevant. What effects me is that you call us INDIANS. It is foolish to have this discussion of a sport team when most of America still lives in the 1400s, thinks Chris Columbus was not a leader of massacres and exploitation and improperly refers to us as citizens of a distant country known for curry, Ghandi and jewels on their foreheads. I am a proud BLACKFOOT so stop calling us INDIANS.

92 Ancient Mariner May 22, 2014 at 10:46 PM

CD 74 is right: We can get rid of Utah and Indiana, for starters.

“Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever.” Y’all can look that up y’rselves.

We’ll go the way of the Minoan civilization when the Yellowstone caldera decides to wake up.

93 Dr. Jellyfinger® May 23, 2014 at 12:25 AM

Sounds like the Blackfoot Injuns are restless… better put an extra guard on the wall.

94 Antler May 23, 2014 at 12:50 AM

I Ain’t No Damn Yankee at #71… Gentle humor in North Carolina goes like this:

A Yankee is a person who lives Up North.
A Damn Yankee is one who moves Down South.

95 Take it as a compliment! May 23, 2014 at 1:06 AM

A team wouldn’t name themselves after something that was unpraisworthy. So with that being said native Americans, or whoever the team is being named after, I feel should take it as a compliment if anything. The team wants to be named after them because they either are or have done something brave, courageous, strong, or whatever.

96 Antler May 23, 2014 at 1:06 AM

Atticus Thraxx at #59….. Oh, yeah? Oh YEAH!
Take THIS and quiver with fear and loathing…….. DALLAS BAPTISTS !
;-)

97 Take it as a compliment! May 23, 2014 at 1:10 AM

& if it’s a name that is offensive to those who it’s referring to rather than something they could be proud of like I assumed it would be in the comment before, then the team should have enough respect to get rid of it after referring to those people themselves and hearing them out!

98 Dutch May 23, 2014 at 8:16 AM

You will never please everybody. If you try to please everybody you will please nobody. Some are honored, some are insulted. So what. Those that are insulted don’t have to support the team (and can root for the opposing team). It’s the owner(s) decision on what to name his/her team not a bunch of “activists.” If they want a say then pay up and have a real vested interest in the team, otherwise shut up. Pressuring an owner to change the name of a team just because it “offends” someone is about as fascist as you can get.

99 i take it as na insult May 23, 2014 at 8:29 AM

It sickens me, I love football and my cuontry but I’ve known many native Americans in my life who finds the name disrespectful. Seeing as how a majority of the posts here either think its humorous or think we are too sensitive, well you you have a right your opinion. Just as how some in the south thought it was ok to enslave Africans. Let’s just pray your offspring can evolve into more open minded human beings that will see how hurtful these names can.be. its not being pc its simply being disrespectful. And stop with the tomahawk chop, it makes Americas look like idiots. Seriously people grow up.

100 Pyrrhus May 23, 2014 at 8:55 AM

@83 Who said it was okay for someone to call you a pale face or refer to you as the white man? Just because someone is racist doesn’t make it okay for you to be racist too. Didn’t anyone teach you that two wrongs don’t make a right?

Claycord never ceases to amaze me on the amount of racists there are. You would think with all the different races that we have here in the bay area and in Claycord that you would be more open minded. But then again, you are all are just closet racists that wouldn’t have the balls to say any of this stuff to the face of a person of color. I dare you to go up to a Native American (American Indian, or whatever term is PC) and call them a redskin.

101 inmotion May 23, 2014 at 9:03 AM

What’s in a name… plenty it seems.

102 i take it as an insult May 23, 2014 at 9:04 AM

Sorry for the typos, this topic really upsets me.

103 i take it as an insult May 23, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Thank you Pyrrhus now I don’t feel so alone.

104 John H. May 23, 2014 at 11:57 AM

For anybody in this thread to be offended by names like the RedSkins, too bad. The name isnt changing, and your PC awareness is laughable at best.
Why care now? Its been like that, it stays like that. I think we should change a few streets in Concord to RedSkin Lane, Redskin Court, etc.

105 Pyrrhus May 23, 2014 at 1:47 PM

@John H. We should name a few streets in your honor, Troll Lane, Troll Street, Troll avenue. Internet Tough Guy Boulevard, etc.

106 (insert name here) May 23, 2014 at 3:10 PM

If anyone is interested in a scholarly article on the origin of “redskin”, this is the Smithsonian’s version of events:

http://www.anthropology.si.edu/goddard/redskin.pdf

In brief, the use of ‘red-skin’ as a conventional reference to North American Indians, was used by both by Native Americans and by the Colonial Europeans. They also used ‘white-skins’ and ‘black-skins’.

Additionally, the team name was the Boston Redskins before moving to Washington. Before that it was the Boston Braves. The name was changed by the owner of the Braves to Redskins as an homage to the new coach William ‘Lone Star’ Dietz, a famous coach who turned teams around. He claimed to be of Native American decent.

107 cracker May 23, 2014 at 3:12 PM

@#25 – I’m a white woman who grew up in Ohio. I think the name Cleveland Crackers is hysterical, and I think we should go with that! Love it! After all, at the end of the day, a name is just a name. It doesn’t have any more importance than I am willing to give it.

108 Pyrrhus May 23, 2014 at 3:44 PM

@106 That’s the same argument racists use for justifying the N word. Now go around calling people N words and redskins. Heck I’ll pay you $50 if you go onto a reservation and film it and nobody gets upset with you calling them a redskin.

109 (insert name here) May 23, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Pyrrus 108, I didn’t make an argument for or against the use of “red-skin” or use of any of the other pejorative race-based appellations. I simply supplied a reputable resource for the origin of the word’s use. Origin. You sir, from a location deep inside your self, jumped to an irrational conclusion. Perhaps your comment reflects more about your self rather than a Claycord poster you do not know.

110 @ John H. May 23, 2014 at 5:15 PM

Ive got a few native American friends that would be very offended your use of this offensive work. Id love to be there when you said it to their faces. But I seriously dont think you have bal#s. It must be lonely under that bridge.

111 Pyrrhus May 23, 2014 at 5:46 PM

@109 I will apologize for jumping to conclusions about you. However I do think your post only muddles the conversation and doesn’t really add anything. Origin of a term has no bearing on whether it is now considered derogatory. Take the term Oriental for example. At one point, it was considered a proper or acceptable term. Now, those of asian descent will find it offensive.

112 (insert name here) May 23, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Pyrrhus, your first sentence was sufficient enough of a response. The remainder, however…well…let’s just say it’s better to when to leave Italy than to stick around a little too long. Good day.

113 (insert name here) May 23, 2014 at 7:13 PM

better to *know* when to leave Italy.

114 VikingPrincess May 23, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Who are these many people BTW?
Are any Native American or a Tribal Counsel? Ask them what they think.

Otherwise, if the names had to be changed, consider names of actual indigenous tribes to the area.

115 Elwood May 23, 2014 at 8:13 PM

@ @Elwood #89

My you do have a command of the King’s English don’t you?

Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

116 MDHS80 May 23, 2014 at 9:01 PM

WAIT A MINUTE!!!

I went to Mt. Diablo High; Home of the Red Devils!!

117 Chief 6 Beers May 24, 2014 at 12:29 AM

Red man always take blame. Even when truck not run, mechanic call it “Injun Trouble” .

118 Dennis May 24, 2014 at 1:27 AM

@Austin you apparently are the product of a public school indoctrination (not education). Please refer to my post at #70 for information you SHOULD have gotten in school, had the agenda been non-partisan.

119 Gus May 24, 2014 at 9:12 AM

#117 is a good example of the duality that American racism exists in.

Had the minority in the joke been any other Black, Mexican, homosexual, the Mayor’s censors would have never allowed it.

It also wouldn’t surprise me if the writer were a minority also. One who would squeal like a pig if “his people” were the subject.

This is why I take no stock in the PC movement, it is just a tool that groups use to twist the odds for their people and screw the rest. It won’t end in equality, only a different group subjugating the others.

Chief Red Cloud might say, “By, by, white people. The US is getting darker by the minute.”

120 Good luck America May 24, 2014 at 9:30 AM

It appears by most postings that racism and closed minds are abundant still out here in suburbia. Good luck with that whole evolution thing. We are all one in this world, we should show respect for everyone. And REDSKIN is simply a racist term. Please just ask any native American.

121 Good luck America May 24, 2014 at 11:11 AM

And have a great Memorial Day. Thank you’s and love to all those that gave their lives so we can be free to have our differences and share our views even if we differ. We owe our freedoms to them. R.I.P.

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