Woman Dead After Officer-Involved Shooting in Downtown Concord

May 15, 2014 22:16 pm · 132 comments


An Officer in Concord shot and killed a woman who they say was suicidal near Baldwin Park on Thursday night, according to the Concord Police Department.

At 5:37 p.m, police say a woman called from a house in the 2700 block of Pacheco St., near Beach St. reporting someone was trying to kill her. The woman then said she was suicidal, police said.

Officers responded and encountered a woman in possession of a handgun. The woman raised the handgun at the officers and she was shot by a Concord Police Officer, police said. Emergency medical aid was summoned for the woman, but she was pronounced dead at the scene.

The Officer Involved Fatal Incident Protocol was invoked and the incident is currently being investigated by the Contra Costa District Attorney’s Office and the Concord Police Department.

No Officers or any other people were injured.

The woman’s identity has not been released.

Thanks to Jacob for the picture of the scene.

allycat May 15, 2014 at 10:22 PM

yea lets shoot the suicidal woman…that makes sense.

Not a Cat May 15, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Yes, let the suicidal woman shoot you instead…that makes sense.

James May 15, 2014 at 10:27 PM

She pulled a gun on the officer, what do you expect them to do?

not atticus' cat May 15, 2014 at 10:28 PM

There’s got to he a better way to handle this than sending armed men. Feel bad about the women and for the cop. Shi**y night in Concord.

Mr. Pink May 15, 2014 at 10:28 PM

Suicide by cop.

Ron Burgundy May 15, 2014 at 10:29 PM

I guess the officers should have just let the suicidal woman shoot at them first. That makes even more sense, right allycat?

silverhammer May 15, 2014 at 10:30 PM

It’s called suicide by police, you aim a gun at them threatening to kill them unless they shoot you first. It is a very sad way to go for sure but the cops lives were in danger of they hadn’t fired sadly.

wibbly May 15, 2014 at 10:32 PM

If I were in that situation, I would have shot her. It was justifiable cause…as uneasy as it may seem, his life was on the line.

The Realist May 15, 2014 at 10:32 PM

aka Suicide-by-cop
The concord cops are really trigger happy
but the lady gave them no choice.
At least they didn’t shot her in the back,
which seems to be CPD SOP usally.
Mental illness is no joke. Get help, people!

Lisa May 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Why not shoot her in the leg or somewhere where it would not be fatal. Then get her the help she needs.

annon May 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM

I understand that you have to protect yourself when someone has a firearm, but was there really a need to shoot and kill her when there was no other shots fired? Just doesn’t seem to make sense…

Birdman May 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Homicide by cop. Arrest the officer now. Justice for the mentally ill.

anon May 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Send armed women instead not atticus’cat?? Anyone armed and suicidal is a danger to themself and others…..

Common sense May 15, 2014 at 10:34 PM

Hey ally-idiot. Next time someone points a gun at you go ahead and assume they won’t hurt you because they claimed they were suicidal. See how well that works out for you. And don’t call the police since you feel they don’t know what they re doing.

Suicidal subjects kill cops who try to stop them. It’s happened time and again. Go back to serving burgers or what ever menial job it is you obviously do.

wow May 15, 2014 at 10:35 PM

any idiot knows not to point a gun at a cop, she wanted to die, the cop did her a favor, end of story.

James May 15, 2014 at 10:35 PM

#4 – “Sending armed men”? Who else would you send to handle a person who is clearly not in their right mind and is armed themselves?

too sad, too bad May 15, 2014 at 10:42 PM

Wish there was a better way but crazy or not. You raise a gun at a a cop, expect to get shot.

Concordlove May 15, 2014 at 10:46 PM

Poor cop, I’m sure he had no choice and was in a scary position. A suicidal person has no care, they are about to take their own life why will they care about the cops life

Officer Barbrady May 15, 2014 at 10:51 PM

An old time Chief once explained that “if you point a gun at an Officer you have just committed suicide”.

I thought that well said.

Poon May 15, 2014 at 10:54 PM

You liberal pacifist are hilarious. That’s why you are victims. That’s why you move into crappy neighborhoods with your eyes closed, get beat down, property stolen and wonder why. Darwinism at its finest.

Anonymous May 15, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Lisa you do realize you sound like a compete and total moron?

H. Ford M.D. May 15, 2014 at 10:56 PM

@lisa officers are trained to kill if they must shoot. First thing they learn is you don’t half-ass a shot when it comes to protecting yourself. Anyhow very sad.. Condolences to the woman and her family along with the officer

Mar May 15, 2014 at 11:02 PM

I agree Lisa to your comment I feel sorry for her and the officer.I just love how people on this site that say Stupid things! ! Really People ! I hope her Family doesn’t see some of these comments .We don’t know the whole story..

lights and sirens May 15, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Why didn’t they shoot her in the arm or leg? Why does it have to be a fatal shot? By no means am I saying the police officer is in the wrong..anyone that has a gun aimed at police is asking to be shot..just don’t get my she had to die.

lights and sirens May 15, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Oh police are trained to shoot to kill? I thought it was protect and serve.

Lacey May 15, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Justice For Charles Burns !!!!!! CONCORD PD STOP KILLING PEOPLE

It's the law May 15, 2014 at 11:14 PM

It’s actually illegal for cops to shoot to only cause injury, when their life is threatened they are to shoot and kill. Yes it’s very sad whatever this lady was suffering from, however it’s absolute common knowledge you DONT raise a gun to an officer (or anyone in a perfect world). I used to ask the same thing, why can’t they just shoot the leg or arm or something and I was informed that’s illegal apparently! Either way the lady was in the wrong :/ still sad somebody’s life is no longer but our cops should not always be blamed.

Karate Kid May 15, 2014 at 11:26 PM

Wow. Another Shooting By Cpd. Does Anybody Remember The One On Hillsborough Ct. Single Gunshot But There Were Several Reports Of A Gun Battle. They Get Away With It Everytime Though.

H May 15, 2014 at 11:27 PM

Protect and serve? No, that’s optional. Per Warren v. District of Columbia summary on Wikipedia:

“In two separate cases, Carolyn Warren, Miriam Douglas, Joan Taliaferro, and Wilfred Nichol sued the District of Columbia and individual members of the Metropolitan Police Department for negligent failure to provide adequate police services. The trial judges held that the police were under no specific legal duty to provide protection to the individual plaintiffs and dismissed the complaints.”

Anonymous May 15, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Cops are not trained to kill or wound. The are taught to stop the threat. Frequently that means killing someone, but not always. The most important thing they are taught is to come home alive.

Some experts posting here ,such as Lisa , have a strange attitude about the value of police lives.

East Bay Resident May 15, 2014 at 11:40 PM

Are you all a bunch of idiots or what? The stupid women, crazy or not, she pulled on a gun on the officers. That’s called making a milli second of a decision to shoot by the officers. There is no such thing as shooting to injure or shoot in the leg as Lisa suggests. When an officer makes that decision to shoot it’s because he’s already made that decision that his life or someone else’s is in serious danger or death. I’d love to see you all make those split second decisions with the information available to you at that immediate moment. GREAT JOB CONCORD PD, you all do a great job regardless of what these uniformed people on here are saying. I would bet the majority of Concord citizens support the difficult job you all do everyday. Thank you…

Blink May 15, 2014 at 11:42 PM

Help for mental health issues for the extreme aren’t always successful
Drive down too many streets in concord to see those getting assistance…
Sad but true…in a program with no real fixes for everyone

I’m sure those officers were doing best call under circumstances

@It's the law May 15, 2014 at 11:47 PM

Sorry, but you were incorrectly informed. Whenever a firearm is used, it is a use of lethal force. Shooting a firearm out of someone’s hand, or shooting them in the leg are very specific targets, and beyond a normal person’s ability, and still disregards the lethal nature of the force being used.

I’m sorry for CPD that this woman decided to force them to shoot her, or be shot themselves. Mental disorder and firearms do not mix. Hopefully the officer or officers involved will be able to cope with what this woman forced them to do. It can’t be easy to be put in the position where someone else makes you, under threat of your own death, shoot them.

Your citation doesn’t apply to this circumstance. How about comparing apples to apples?

Lisa May 15, 2014 at 11:56 PM

@ Anonymous, no actually I did not realize that, thank you for pointing that out. I can now rest easy knowing that you, a bully, feels better about themselves, for calling names. For the record, I never claimed to be an expert, which is why there was a “?” on my post. I do, however have a friend who is a deputy for CCC sheriff dept. I will ask her opinion.@ H Ford M.D. thank you for clearing that up for me. I mean that with no disrespect. I appreciate your input.

concord resident May 16, 2014 at 12:06 AM


I couldn't have said it better my self!! Thank you. And thank you to the concord pd for everything you do.

Very wise words that are the truth. Thank you as well.

Janet May 16, 2014 at 12:33 AM

There has to be a better way? Are you serious or are you just trying to get attention? A person states they plan to end their life, which indicates they have nothing to lose. They then point a gun at police officers. What on earth else would the officers do but shoot? Duck and hope for the best? I can’t imagine a situation that is more cut and dry than one where a person has already stated their plan to die and then points a gun at officers. What should be pointed out is how tragic it is for the officer, who did not go into work today with the desire or notion to harm anyone. She could have chosen to shoot herself but she chose to put police officers in the position of having to do it for her, while fearing for their own lives. I am very sad for that woman and for her poor family but how could one possibly blame the officer? If she had shot and killed a police officer, would you be the same people stating that the police should have also prevented that? For some, the police cannot ever be in the right and the mindset is that they are always to blame no matter what the evidence is to the contrary. Facts don’t matter. You clearly have never personally known a police officer who was forced to shoot and kill someone. If you did, you would know that it’s a deeply traumatizing event that they never outlive. Supporting them when they are forced to make split second decisions while staring down the barrel of a gun would be far more humane. Undoubtedly, they all responded with the hope of talking her out of it, as witnessing suicides are also terribly traumatic. There was one person who chose to ensure that a much less horrifying end did not occur and that was the woman. It’s heartbreaking that she didn’t think life was worth living but in her very last moments she made decisions that will leave many, many people scarred and traumatized. If you think so low of police officers, refrain from calling them if your life is ever on the line. They’re the only people outside of your own family (if even) that will literally risk their life to protect you from harm. If you have ever had police risk their lives to ensure your safety you will never view them the same way again. I am dreadfully sorry for the woman, her soon to be grieving family, all of the police officers, the one who was forced to shoot, and his soon-to-be saddened family.

Janet May 16, 2014 at 12:41 AM

Why didn’t they shoot her in the arm or leg? You try shooting someone in an area of the body so easy to miss. What would you be saying if a stray bullet had gone passed her and injured someone else? Would you then be crying, why didn’t they shoot her in the largest area of her body so they were assured that the person pointing a gun at police officers was the only one injured or killed? They don’t try to shoot someone in the arm or leg because there is a very high probability that the bullet will miss, either putting innocent by-standers at risk or allowing the person unlawfully pointing a gun at a police officer to get off goodness knows how many rounds, spraying officers and anyone in the general vicinity with bullets. This was a residential area, does it really make sense to you that they would aim for an arm or leg, while putting themselves in lethal danger and subject all the gawkers to the same risk? There are always people standing around when several police cars arrive on any scene. Do you really want their lives to have been endangered by the bullets coming from a woman who already stated she was planning on dying? When someone has already indicated that they have nothing to lose, God help the officer that would aim for a nearly certain missed body part and allow others to die. This wasn’t a scene in a movie. These were real people, with real children, protecting real neighbors. Get out of fantasy land.

Common sense May 16, 2014 at 1:24 AM

Anyone who ever “wonders” why cops don’t shoot someone in the limbs has no idea what they’re talking about and has NEVER fired a gun before. You are holding a chunk of metal in your hand when one end of it explodes inches from your face kicking it up and back. Adrenaline and fear aside, the slightest movement of the end of the barrel can cause a bullet to miss a target by yards. Just the slightest shake of the hands or arms can cause a target to be missed by a large distance.

Shooting someone in the limbs can kill just as quickly as the chest.

Shooting someone in an area where they re not incapacitated means you risk an angry response from the threat. There are too many documented incidents of suspects who were shot killing cops and civilians before they finally dropped dead.

Life is sad. People die. It’s life. Stop watching CSI Miami and BS “real life” tv drama and join the human race.

someone May 16, 2014 at 1:27 AM

Was omw home from work at 1:30 am and saw all the lights and cars down there. I was wondering what was going on… Checked on here and what do you know… Glad it didnt happen next to my house. Some of you need to quit whining, CPD did what they were trained to do, period.

Mary May 16, 2014 at 1:54 AM

Shame on the cop for killing a mentally distraught woman. They are a bunch of low life cowards.

Redrum May 16, 2014 at 2:03 AM

More to come especially with the dirty cops im concord.

Redrum May 16, 2014 at 2:05 AM

@karatekid its all these dirty cops in comcord .

Redrum May 16, 2014 at 2:08 AM

More to come especially with all these dirty cops in concord.

I've listened May 16, 2014 at 2:09 AM

I’ve listened to this whole suicide by cop thing but I still feel like it’s a “cop out” hmmm wonder where they got that from. These police officers all have had and still undergo extreme and extensive training.

There are plenty more places they could have shot her to disarm her and the properly detain her. Just seems like they waste allot of money on training when they never apply it.

Eric May 16, 2014 at 2:58 AM

People watch too much cop shows on TV, real life doesn’t happen like that, you don’t shoot them to wound them and hope they surrender. The purpose of shooting is to eliminate the a life endangering threat, and the most effective way to eliminate the threat is to shoot center mass, where the chances of missing are slimmer, and the most impact will be felt on the person who is the threat. If you shoot someone in the arm or leg, more often than not, they will fall to the ground, still have a gun in their hand, and continue to shoot. Unfortunately shooting center mass is often fatal, but it is the most effective way to eliminate the threat, and protect the lives of the police officers and the public in the area.

Fig Newton May 16, 2014 at 4:32 AM

It’s the best ending, No Concord PD hurt,,,I could careless about some suicidal woman,,, remember, that officer went thru extensive training, and knows his job,, Those officers put their lives on the line for us citizens of Concord,,I totally support their work,,,,,,,,,,One of the best Police Departments around!!!!!!!!!!!!

Martinez May 16, 2014 at 4:50 AM

Police are neither trained to “shoot to wound”, nor “shoot to kill”. They shoot to “STOP THE THREAT”. Shooting to wound is impractical when there is an imminent danger of great bodily injury or death to yourself, fellow officers, and the public. A suspect is likely to remain a deadly threat after being hit in the arm, leg, hand, foot, etc. When you fear for your life and have a surge of adrenaline pumping through your body, it is very difficult to hit such specific smaller targets especially when you and your target are moving. Officers must also consider the area surrounding the threat in which innocent men, women and children may be present, (keep in mind this incident occurred at about 5:40 PM in a residential neighborhood near a park). So you don’t want stray rounds flying all over the place. “Shoot to kill” implies that no matter what, the officer’s sole objective is to take that suspect’s life. For instance, if the suspect goes down after one or two rounds and is no longer a threat but still shows signs of life, instead of calling for paramedics, that officer walks up and adds a “kill-shot” to the back of the head. Police are trained to “stop the threat”. Anyone with basic firearms training, law enforcement or otherwise, is taught to aim center mass. Which is the reason most range targets consist of only an outline of the torso and head. To stop the threat as quickly as possible and to avoid stray rounds, you want to hit the largest/easiest to hit target which is the torso. As soon as the threat is eliminated and the scene is secured, the primary objective becomes the preservation of life. Officers are required to call for emergency medical services and provide First Aid/CPR until medics arrive. And I don’t know of any departments that permit the use of warning shots.

anon May 16, 2014 at 5:46 AM

Why did someone with a mental illness have access to a gun?

JRConcord May 16, 2014 at 5:55 AM

ooo They should have sent boxes of butterflies. kittens, puppies, and ladybugs. That would have made her see the cute things in life. She would have bowed to her internal “ahhhh isn’t that cute” reaction and put down her weapon. Don’t under estimate the power of cute cuddly animals.

anon May 16, 2014 at 6:01 AM

If they’d only injured her she would’ve probably sued the city! 🙁

anon May 16, 2014 at 6:03 AM

First Concord PD is not gun happy they use their tazers when they can. If you have a gun pointed at you there are only 2 choices and there is no reason for an officer to risk dying. This is suicide by cop and our feelings should be with officer who is suffering. No officer goes to work hoping to shoot someone that is my guess their biggest fear of the job.

Concord Mike May 16, 2014 at 6:29 AM

I heard on the news the suspect was killed with a single shot from a single officer. If true, then congratulations to CPD for using the minimum amount of force necessary to end the threat.

How many times have we heard in other cities where several officers empty their firearms in a hail of bullets that spray an entire neighborhood?

Again this looks like a situation were the officers deserve praise for their restraint rather than criticism.

One less craZy May 16, 2014 at 6:29 AM

One less crazy person and after reading all your comments no wonder we have such a problem. All experts. First rule is so not point a gun at a cop unless you want to be shot. They are enforcers not psychiatrists. Second rule is a cop shoots to end the situation not be a superhero like TV cops. Third rule is if you want to end your life by having the cops do it for you, you will not be disappointed by the result. Fourth rule is that cops are people and usually decent people until you pull out your attitude card. The shooting does affect them. How would you feel if your job required you to kill someone? Being a cop these days is an ungrateful job. I am glad they are there. And when someone crazy is holding a gun on your front lawn you will be glad as well.

DoubleTap May 16, 2014 at 6:43 AM

Lisa, Not all LEO are great marksmen , add in adrenaline and distance and the sidearms becomes even more inaccurate. They are trained to shoot center mass. All it takes is one lucky shot and Officer Friendly does not go home to his family. The shooting is justified in this case.

Killjoy May 16, 2014 at 6:48 AM

A question for those of you who ask why the police didn’t shoot her in the arm or the leg.
Have you ever shot a hand gun? Do you realize the precision marksmanship it takes to hit a target that small, from any distance?
Under the best of conditions (no stress at the firing range) not even every police officer can hit the bullseye every time.

A retired Deputy Sheriff friend of mine says he takes four shots. One to the left, one to the right, and a double tap at center mass. He does not want anyone with a lethal weapon coming at him (or anyone else for that matter).
Don’t concern yourselves. He doesn’t live around here. But he and his wife are often welcomed guests in my home.

snowwhite May 16, 2014 at 6:50 AM

I think the protocol should be different with a suicidal person. They should try to talk to the person first. I don’t think that person should of died. Maybe they should of shot a warning told her to put the weapon down. Of we don’t know all the details. Its sad to hear about things like this. Thimgs could of been handled differently in my perspective.

PooopShooot May 16, 2014 at 6:59 AM

Too bad this happened. I don’t think the cops had much of a choice. If it were me, I’d shoot. What else can you do if someone point a gun at you?

Anonymous May 16, 2014 at 7:01 AM

The Karate Kid starts all of his words with capitals. Where have we seen that before Craig?Fits in nicely with his complaint of being dissed by CPD last week.

Lisa that was perfect. I like the way you got “Bully “in there. FYI calling a moron a moron is not bullying , it’s the truth. You do have one good idea, talking to a Deputy friend. Be sure and show the Deputy your posts ,get her opinion and then apologize here.

Gary May 16, 2014 at 7:02 AM

In a deadly force situation, officers are trained to stop the threat, not to “kill” anyone or to “injure” anyone. That means shooting at center mass, which is the largest target, is the least likely to move, and contains vital organs.

It’s NOT illegal for officers to shoot only to injure; injuring a threat will not stop it.

That is the standard for all law enforcement agencies. Period.

JET May 16, 2014 at 7:03 AM

Very sad story. My thoughts and prayers are with the officer(s) involved in this, I’m sure this must take a toll on them emotionally, but given the situation – they did what they had to do. Also prayers for the family and friends of this woman. Sad that she chose suicide as the only way out.

9_deuce_daisy May 16, 2014 at 7:11 AM

I’m a lefty but dammit, cops have a right to protect themselves. If this woman had a gun, was feeling suicidal…. who’s to say she wasn’t homicidal, or even end up shooting an innocent passerby by accident? Get a grip. As sad as it is, this woman put herself in this position. Good thoughts and healing to her family.

Silva May 16, 2014 at 7:21 AM

Suicide by cop is all too common. My condolences to all involved.

Chronic Halitosis May 16, 2014 at 7:34 AM

Rubber bullets?

rkt88 May 16, 2014 at 7:46 AM

@Lisa – thanks for leaving the follow up note. It is a general misunderstanding perpetuated by TV and movies that you can use a gun to easily disarm or disable someone without killing them. It certainly can be done, but would be a very very poor plan of action. Please forgive some of the anger and animosity that it brings out in others, and thank you for taking the time to read through and understand.

A BART death and a suicide by cop on the same day, so much tension and despair running through our communities. Hang together and take care of each other.

stump May 16, 2014 at 7:49 AM

My husband is a cop . I fear evrryday he may not come home to me. I have even asked the question why cant you just shoot them in the leg etc. Its not how its done Its you or the suspect. You point a car. A gun at a cop you are risking your life and theirs. If you think the cop feels remorse or pain he does he lives every day with seeing and dealing with things you can only imagine. Iam saddened her life was so painful. And saddenef this officrr must now live with this painful encounter. Cherish your officers. Thier lives and thier families lives are sacrafically given to thier communities.

rkt88 May 16, 2014 at 7:50 AM

PS – gun people and LEO supporters, try and stay calm when you exlain things – jumping all over people isn’t going to help them learn and understand the reality of why warning shots and such won’t work.

Maybe they don’t want to learn, but exploding on them won’t help if they are willing.

Heather May 16, 2014 at 7:57 AM

Unfortunately, suicide by cop. This is a very common suicide some mentally ill people do. I have empathy for this poor woman who probably had a hard life with mental illness, but I don’t blame the police officer in this case. What we do need is better mental health care. Everyone who’s mad about this happening should advocate for that. The mental health services act was designed to address the problem of mental health yet mental health professionals with 10 years academic preparation start out at wages in the 50s. Mental health care is not readily available to people. We have to ask ourselves why. The stigma that follows mental illness also follows those who care to help them. Get outraged over this, but don’t blame the police. Blame the healthcare system that makes it very difficult for these people to get help and to get involuntarily committed when needed for their own safety.

Lori May 16, 2014 at 7:57 AM

Thank you CPD for all you do to protect our community. Funny thing, a cop has NEVER pointed a gun at me or even had a hand on his/her gun as they approached me. It’s pretty simple, really, obey the law and if confronted by an officer do as you are asked. You “people” that side with this gun toting suicidal woman are nuts !!!! My deepest sympathy to the officer/officers that had to fire that fatal shot and also to the family of this obviously troubled woman.

Atticus Thraxx May 16, 2014 at 8:03 AM

I don’t think it was a criticism of CPD at all. But if you had to guess what would escalate or what would deescalate a situation like this would you recommend some number of police showing up and jumping out of their cars with guns drawn? It’s binary logic really. You desire one result, presumably ensuring the safety of a despondent women, their own safety and that of the general public, correct? Is anyone involved satisfied with how the situation solved? The women sure can’t be and God knows what that cop is going through right now. I do not have an answer, but I know if we are not going to treat mental illness as a society, I guess we can wait until they pop and just shoot them down in the street. Give the police the tools they need to protect and serve, not just deal with our societal failings with nothing but a gun. It’s not fair to them and it doesn’t serve us well.

@ anon #48 May 16, 2014 at 8:17 AM

“Why did someone with a mental illness have access to a gun?”

You are obviously not a Constitutional loving conservative. Everyone should have a gun and the government should not be able to say who is or isn’t qualified.

Heck, if you support background checks, or even just want to discuss the current gun/violence situation, you must be an Obama loving libertard.

@24 May 16, 2014 at 8:20 AM

Right on

SK May 16, 2014 at 8:25 AM

One more thought for the “shoot to wound” ignoramuses: When an officer fires, s/he considers who and what might be in the background, and they are trained to consider what else might get hit after their round passes through the body of the person they are shooting.

Do you honestly think that a suicidal person has the same consideration? If this woman were only wounded, then decided to open fire, even if she had not hit a police officer, she would not have considered that her rounds might have entered occupied dwellings and might hit an innocent neighbor. Then you all would have been calling for the heads of the police officers who didn’t stop the threat.

One shot to bring her down? Excellent job by that officer. My prayers are with the officer today.

Lexie's mom May 16, 2014 at 8:28 AM

@Lori, I absolutely agree!!!

Wait a minute. May 16, 2014 at 8:40 AM

I missed the part of the article that said she was mentally ill and prohibited from possessing a firearm. Could #48 or #70 please point it out to me?

Even if she was prohibited, it just shows that restrictive gun laws don’t work because criminals don’t follow them.

Cuzzzzzz............. May 16, 2014 at 8:41 AM

First off, prayers for the officer who fired the fatal shot. He/she is going thru their own hell right now.

And SHAME on the people/family who left a gun in the home with a mentally unstable person. Really what were they thinking? And to all of you blaming the CPD….. get a freakin grip. What would you have done if some one came at you waving a gun???? Blow them kisses??????

Atticus – there is plenty of help for the mentally ill but……………you can not force them to accept the help and it is almost impossible to get a court order to force them into treatment/therapy as they have their “rights” even tho they are not capable of making any kind of logical, rational decissions. The system is really screwed up.

You can bet the “family” of this woman will sue the city when in fact, the city should sue them for leaving a fire arm in the home with a mentally unstable woman. It was their failure that caused her death, not the CPD

Bean Bag May 16, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Isn’t CPD equipped with Bean Bag guns? Those are supposed to be used to minimize a threat. While it may seem ludicrous to some to bring a bean bag gun to a firearm fight, the bean bags throw a hard enough impact to stop most. I think that should have been the first course of action. Just my opinion. Im not a LEO, but I think there were less lethal options than shooting this obviously sick woman dead.

Mental Illness May 16, 2014 at 8:58 AM


Mentally ill people are not PROHIBITED from owning a firearm in general. BUT, if they get placed on a 72 hour hold (5150) sometimes part of the release terms are that they sign a waiver to not own or possess a firearm for five years. Happened to a family member.

RanchgirlCA May 16, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Sad that this person felt suicide, by any means, was the only way out. The effects of suicide by cop have even further ramifications than if she’d done without the police invovlement. Either way, as someone left behind by the suicide of a loved one, my heart goes out to all involved. This will be difficult to recover from.

We should take better care of one another, even if its just in the comments on a blog… Some of you can be mean.

@lisa May 16, 2014 at 9:15 AM

You start out by bullying the Concord cops who defended themselves and lived. Then, when called on it ,accuse others of bullying you.

thatguy May 16, 2014 at 9:28 AM

It is sad that this women had mental health issues that caused her to commit suicide in this fashion. Having experienced suicide first hand it is a very selfish act mostly done to cause those close the person committing suicide to feel the burden of their death. It is unfortunate that there seems to be a rise in people who choose to use our police force as a tool to complete their tragic act.

It is our obligation as citizens to support our police in their efforts to protect us against the ugly under belly that most of use our fortunate not to see thanks to their selfless duty. To think that our police our trigger happy killers is so far from reality that I question to sanity of those commenters. Police do not want to kill people. This affects them more than it will any us for the rest of their lives. It can end their careers and lead to years of lawsuits. When an officer has to use deadly force, it is considered a crime and investigated us such. They have to be subjected to hours of interviews, placed on leave, given psychological evaluations all in an effort to clear themselves to come back to their profession.

Our Police deserve our respect. They’re highly trained professionals that place their selves in harms way multiple times a day so that we don’t have to worry about the predators that are out their stalking us. Get a grip, open your eyes and see the world we live in. Without the police we would be boarding our windows and arming ourselves and I could only imagine how many people would be shot and killed then.

Thank you Concord PD for your service. I hope the officer is able to recover from this life changing event.

gonzo May 16, 2014 at 9:43 AM

so sad for all involved no matter what people say at the end of the day we are all human. im sure the police officer who shot her is upset about it who wouldn’t be.

Lisa May 16, 2014 at 9:50 AM

First of all, I did NOT call out the concord PD for defending themselves. I asked a simple question. All anyone had to do was give me a simple answer, like H Ford. MD did or several others. Second I do not think being called a bully for calling someone they don’t know a moron is in fact bullying, but I could be wrong. Third I will not apologize to anonymous, for asking a question. I was misinformed and now have been given information that answered my question. Apparently I was not the only one with that question. So with that said, thank you to all of you who graciously reply with concrete answers to questions posed. I also thank and applaud all law enforcement for the jobs they do so readily. My thoughts and prayers are out to them and their families.

Rollo Tomasi May 16, 2014 at 9:55 AM

I have questions for the arm/leg, rubber bullet, bean bag crowd.

Have you ever fired a handgun at any moving target?

Have you ever had your life threatened by someone pointing a firearm at you?

RanchgirlCA May 16, 2014 at 10:18 AM

@Lisa There are quite a few people here who like to bully, I, for one, saw that you were just asking a question. I’ve often wondered the same question. Some people like to look for a fight. Ignore them and have a great Friday.

jb May 16, 2014 at 10:19 AM

How sad this poor woman wanted to end her life…but these days so many things for people are hard to handle…guess she wanted to end it all…but feel so bad for the police to have to help her end it all…hope the policeman will
be ok…and that the family will not sue them for taking her life…when you point a gun at a police officer and its risking their life…yes he will end yours…
was at the seniors last nite and saw all the police cars with flashing lites on…still on at 930 last nite..saw on the news what was happening on 2.

Winston May 16, 2014 at 10:23 AM

If a crazy person points a gun at you, shooting them seems like a reasonable response. This isn’t a case of police brutality or being trigger happy like some people here are claiming. This is a case of someone who was mentally I’ll not getting the mental health services they needed when they needed them. By the time the Police got there it was already too late for a good ending.

anon May 16, 2014 at 10:31 AM

That’s concord PD for ya

Anonymous May 16, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Lisa , I accept your apology

@77 May 16, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Mentally ill people are PROHIBITED from PURCHASING a firearm (if they answer “yes” to that question on the DOJ form, at least).

In any case, the fact that she was suicidal does not necessarily mean that she was mentally ill.

CCW May 16, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Back in the day cops used to negotiate with people who were trying to take their own life, seems no one does that anymore. Seeing more and more people killed by cops, a trend that will just get worse. Annual pet deaths by cops have increased 400% since the 90’s. What happened to the cops that people are able to talk to and feel safe around them. With the amount of violence committed on average citizens on regular basis, i used to feel i could go to the police for help. Not anymore.

down and out May 16, 2014 at 10:43 AM

I’m glad everyone feels sorry for this woman. Too bad you hypocrites didn’t feel sorry for the guy yesterday who jumped in front of a BART train.

Second of all, police in Concord are idiots. The headline should be: “Cops kill suicidal woman”. Brilliant. The cops failed to act in the correct manner. If I were a cop, this woman would be alive right now. There are other ways to handle this situation that don’t involve lethal force.

Nuttsie the Nutter May 16, 2014 at 10:47 AM

“…….it just shows that restrictive gun laws don’t work because criminals don’t follow them.”

We hear this repeated over and over and over again whenever gun control comes up. I am curious, does that argument mean that we should have no laws? Anyone that doesn’t follow the law is a criminal. Only criminals would have guns because they don’t follow the law. Sooooo, I guess that means if we had no laws we would have no criminals.

As I am obviously not as smart as most conservatives perhaps someone would care to explain further so as to enhance my knowledge base.

down and out May 16, 2014 at 10:47 AM


“Mentally ill people are not PROHIBITED from owning a firearm in general. BUT, if they get placed on a 72 hour hold (5150) sometimes part of the release terms are that they sign a waiver to not own or possess a firearm for five years. Happened to a family member.”

This is false information. Anyone who is adjudicated mentally ill (committed involuntarily) is prohibited by federal law from owning a weapon unless legal step are taken with a court by the mentally defective person to remedy this situation. This remedy is only available in certain states though. I don’t think it is available in California.

Linzer Torte May 16, 2014 at 11:12 AM

@RanchGirlCA #78,

That was beautifully put. It’s so easy for us to come on here and forget that we are all human beings. I am sorry for the loss of your loved one.

Linzer Torte May 16, 2014 at 11:15 AM

@thatguy #80, I am sorry that you had to experience suicide firsthand, and that it led you to believe that it is most often done to hurt other people. I promise that is the exception rather than the rule. Regardless, my heart goes out to you.

just a concordian May 16, 2014 at 11:45 AM

to all the pacifists out there…

Please leave the rest of us rational people alone and go smoke some more weed.

waverunner May 16, 2014 at 12:01 PM

To #89 -” In any case, the fact that she was suicidal does not necessarily mean that she was mentally ill.” This woman DID have issues of mental illness, and anyone having serious thoughts of suicide is certainly not stable.

To CCW – negotiating with a person who is not a threat to a cop is entirely different from trying to negotiate with someone who is pointing a gun at you. There IS NO negotiating at that point. If this was you, would you not briefly think, “oh boy, I think this person is going to kill me, so I’d better react.” Putting a gun in ANYONE’S face makes a powerful statement and you only have a split second to react before you become history.

@ down and out #91 May 16, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Yeah right…………so then why aren’t you a cop or a negotiator???? Oh yeah…..probably could pass backgrounds. If some is waving a gun at me I’m going to protect myself. The PD did act in the correct manner, the only manner available. Next time maybe they can call you to handle the situation and you can be the one that gets shot and killed by the mentally ill person………………
Oh wait aren’t you the supposed homeless person who has had run ins with the cops but your are always “innocent”??? Maybe you should stop speculating and pontificating about situations you know nothing about and get a job. They are hiring at the new Popeye’s so go over there and become gainfully employed.

And even if she was prohibited from owning a gun other in the household were not………chance are teh gun didn’t belong to her but someone else in the home.

Reasonable May 16, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Piece of crap cops with nothing better to do than shoot the mentally I’ll. let’s put that officer on death row.

@down and out May 16, 2014 at 12:18 PM

If you were a cop in this town I’d move

Anonymous May 16, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Amazing how many experts we have posting here, from Lisa with her shoot them in the leg, to the folks that like shooting beans at them, to the expert negotiators. Oh and the TASER lovers. Mustn’t forget them.

Any number of people here that know exactly what should have been done.

Fact is all those cool ideas go out the window when someone points a gun at at cop. He needs to react RFN to stay alive.

@Nutsie #92 May 16, 2014 at 12:27 PM

It means we should focus on laws that punish people for using guns to commit crimes. That is very different from banning high-capacity magazines, or certain guns that look scary. Can you see the difference? One affects criminals, and the other only affects those who follow the law.

Lisa May 16, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Again anonymous, I never claimed to be an expert, which is why I asked the question. Now if I took the information that was given to me and still said; “should have shot her in the leg” then I’d see your issue. But I did not. What I did, was take the information and learned from it. I now understand why it happened the way it did. Still tragic nonetheless. But completely justifiable. I would appreciate it if you would kindly stop digging at me.
As an educator, I have always told my students that the only stupid question is the one unasked. It is sad, that as adults we can be judged by our lack of knowledge, when we seek to gain knowledge.
@ ranchgirl, thank you. I wish you a wonderful day as well.

Janet May 16, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Lisa, I felt EXACTLY like you until I went one time to a gun range and shot a gun. I was shocked at how difficult it was to even hit the target that was not at all far from me. I have good hand eye coordination and never once even hit the body within the larger piece of paper. I am assuming you have never shot a gun because I don’t think someone who has would ask that question. I will never shoot again because it was scary. A police officer would have to shoot at the largest part of the body of someone who chose to aim a gun at them, not to mention this was at a time when people are home from work and could have easily been injured by a woman who had already stated she planned to die. Many people want to kill themselves but they don’t have the nerve to actually pull the trigger and so they force innocent police officers to do it for them. Thank goodness that the only person who died was the woman who stated that was her intention before the police ever even arrived. People stating that police should not have brought guns or used bean bags are the same people who would be calling the police officers negligent if that woman had started shooting and hit someone in the crowd, which always forms when large amounts of police officers arrive. That officer very well may have saved more than just his own life.

I apologize if my initial response was harsh, although I didn’t call you names because that’s not necessary. I genuinely wasn’t sure if your question was designed to stir up controversy or was a legitimate question. I really didn’t think people would still think shooting someone in the arm or leg was even an option but considering that it’s shown on TV so much, I guess people could still think that works. The risk is far too high and there are too many innocent people to take a shot that has a much higher chance of missing and going God knows where than stopping a woman intent on ending it all who is pointing a gun at a known armed person.

I am as liberal as they come but I have no doubt in the world that this police officer made the only choice there was to make. There was only one choice, not two, three, or four. Police officers go all the time to talk people out of killing themselves and of course, that was this man’s hope in this case. Talk to an officer who had a person kill themselves right in front of them and hear the shear trauma and what ifs that go through their brain for years on end. Many have to be treated for PTSD. They’re human beings who take seeing death much harder than me assume.

I think it would be nice if some of the people here taking the time to support this officer would also take the time to send him a card or other token of support. Goodness knows, he’s hurting right now.

Anonymous May 16, 2014 at 1:39 PM

Look Lisa we have a fundamental difference. You state as an educator you told children the only stupid question was an unasked one. I think that is really a dumb thing to say.

If I asked if you were from Mars would that be a stupid question? According to you lights it wouldn’t be. But it is.

What you call a question was really a statement with a question mark behind it.

I think you should apologize to the Concord Police Officer that was forced to defend his life.

Barney Fife May 16, 2014 at 3:07 PM

I would have shot the safety lever on her gun so that it switched to “safe”. The lead from my bullet would then jam it in that position so that I could calmly walk up to her and take it, with no fear of getting shot.

If I can do that, why couldn’t CPD?

Rollo Tomasi May 16, 2014 at 3:14 PM


There was a negotiation. The police officer ordered her to drop her weapon. If she does drops the weapon, the negotiation can continue. If she doesn’t, it’s a deal breaker. She ended the negotiation by engaging the officer with her firearm.

@down and out:

There you go. Perfect job opportunity for you. I suggest you ask CPD to implement a new policy that in the future when faced with an armed mental patient or criminal, they remain at a safe distance until you arrive at the scene and restore order and safety to all involved, including all the neighbors. Maybe they can summon you with a “Batlight”.

Cuzzzzz........... May 16, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Rollo Tomasi @ #111 – both points you make are spot on. I feel that CCW will get it but “down and out” is just one of many lazy loser in Concord…..You know leaching off the system instead of being gainfully employed. I heard the new Hobby Lobby has jobs….go apply

Lisa May 16, 2014 at 3:35 PM

@ Janet, I have shot a rifle but that was a long time ago. And I am assuming from your description that it is way different than shooting a hand gun. I completely understand why the officer shot at the chest area now. After having it explained by several fine folks on here. You are correct. I did not ask that question to stir things up. That is not how I work. I had a question and I asked it. I have learned to watch my punctuation as well I forgot the question mark. Anyone that knows me will tell you I am by far the least confrontational person. So I thank you for your input. I appreciate your comments and candidness.
@ anonymous, I’m really at a loss for words. If you were a first grader and asked that question I would reply by asking why you’d think that. If you were an older child or an adult I’m thinking I’d respond accordingly. I guess I should clarify that within reason and context there are no stupid questions.
I will apologize for the fact that the “tone”. Of my initial question may have come off wrong because it was never my intent to insult or disparage the concord officer in any way. Your initial statement to me, and part of your last response directly insult my intelligence. You don’t even know me, you know only that I asked a question that in your mind was to stir up trouble. When in fact it was a search for an answer.
So now I respectfully request that you no longer bring my name or reference to me in your comments.
My good thoughts, well wishes and prayers are our to the officers involved.

RanchgirlCA May 16, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Maybe instead of telling others they need to apologize for something they didn’t do, some people on here shoud just look in the mirror. It’s easy to be a jerk when you just look at a computer screen and a keyboard. SMH.

Anonymous May 16, 2014 at 4:05 PM

We may be loosing sight of the fact that CPD deals with lots of mentally Ill people every day. They are trained and experienced and most of the time all goes well.

When things go wrong there are always folks who have great ideas on just exactly what should have been done.

Atticus Thraxx May 16, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Yes, using that logic we should never examine anything anyone does…’cause they’re “experienced”. Like the guys who built the bridge, right? When CPD shoots or is forced to shoot a citizen we have every damn right to discuss how it was handled. Yeah you get your two cents too, but not at the expense of mine.

@lisa May 16, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Lisa I will write whatever I want. If you don’t like it,dont read it. This is the big leagues. If you write something that someone doesn’t like stand by for a reaction. No time outs here.

I have to tell you that my immediate reaction to your “shoot them in the leg “question was this; Would you have said that face to face to the Police Officer or if he had been killed would have have told his widow that you were glad he took too much time to make a decision?

Killing people is serious business and so is coming close to being killed. Before you pop off again you might think before you start writing.

@ Atticus May 16, 2014 at 7:15 PM

“Using that logic we should never examine anything anyone does”

Lets see here. Pointing out the cops are experienced in dealing with crazy people and use less then lethal weapons when they can is the same as saying we shouldn’t examine their actions?

Is that what you are saying?

If you believe that I’ve got a Bridge Ill sell you. It has a few minor problems

Concord May 16, 2014 at 7:53 PM

My prayers to the family don’t make sence to kill a sick woman the cop support to use a different way to make her put her gun down

Janet May 16, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Lisa, you clearly displayed your character in the face of insults, false assumptions, and accusations. It was ridiculous what some wrote to you and I am certain none would have the guts to be so nasty if face to face with you. You asked a question. Yes, one that I am guilty of misunderstanding but it was still just a question. I am sorry that so many felt the need to pounce on you for asking a question. What I have learned is that when people are passionate about something their character shows through. There were several people here who displayed their character and hopefully they will take a step back and realize that being mean and insulting is a terribly ugly look. You, on the other hand, remained nice and demonstrated a character that many here could learn from. I’m sorry that some insist on remaining insulting even when there is every indication that it’s inappropriate to do so. I suspect that you are a far happier person than many of the people here who refused to take a kinder approach even after you clarified. That’s just people choosing to be mean for the sport of it and is no reflection on you.

Retired LE May 16, 2014 at 8:50 PM

@down and out #91….

So let’s hear about your expertise and training in deadly force situations. Of course, you must be an expert witness for use of deadly force….so you must have made training material for POST.

The officers acted appropriately, based on my knowledge, training and experience. Warning shots or wounding shots are not allowed. You shoot to STOP the threat….which means center mass. Period.

Ask ANY law enforcement agency what their policy is on use of deadly force. Better yet, go through an active shooter scenario training with a LE agency and let’s see how you do.

Again, let’s hear about your training and experience in use of deadly force.

Lisa May 16, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Janet, Thank you. I have been feeling very attacked today, and hurt by the words that were thrown at me. I have never been one to attack anyone, but do seek information. I am always wanting to learn. The best way is to ask. I have learned through this, that I need to find a way to convey my questions without offending.
My mom taught my brother and I that insulting others really gets you nowhere so I really try to refrain from doing so, even in situations such as this. I really appreciated all of the people who were able to see that it was just in fact a fact seeking question rather than a dig of wrongdoing on the part of the CPD. I believe they, being trained professionals know what they are doing and do the best they can in any given situation.
I thank you again for saying what you just did, because it makes the day end on a brighter note. I hope that you have a wonderful weekend.

@Anonymous May 16, 2014 at 10:28 PM

You seem like a lonely, Cold, Calloused coward that hides behind a keyboard.I am willing to bet that you do not speak to people in this manner face to face. Have a little bit of common decency and stop badgering decent people with your nonesence and childish antics.

Lisa May 16, 2014 at 11:44 PM

@ @ Lisa, I do not recall ever saying that I would have done things differently if it had been me in that situation, so no, I would not have questioned him. He did what he was trained to do, and that is to react the best he knows how in any given situation. I was not there, I do not know the circumstances of the situation that occurred. I simply had a question that I regretfully did not word well. When I asked it I did not think of the circumstances of bystanders, moving target, difficulty in small target, I could go on with what I did not think about. However, as I have continually tried to convey since then is that my inquiry was simply to gain information, NOT to accuse the CPO of doing anything incorrectly. It was taken completely out of my intended context and blown way out! I have now been schooled by some gracious informative people and some not so gracious people. I will continue to have the upmost respect for Law Enforcement that I have always had. I will also think more cautiously about questions I pose on public forums in the future. Please have a nice weekend.

Moon Hitsearth May 17, 2014 at 1:12 AM

I remember cops in the old days, they were brave men, friends of the community. They had a move where they jump out of the car, and stand behind it, then they would say miss please drop the gun now, and if they had to shoot, they would aim for the leg or arm, unless it was a really bad guy? They are no longer brave men from the community. They trained playing video games. They often treat people like enemies, instead of people. This state is heading for tough times, we need to help each other out more often. This happened very near where I live, I’m sorry this woman couldn’t ask for help, she probably needed it?

old concord May 17, 2014 at 3:38 AM

American law enforcement at it’s finest . 1200 American’s die each year to law enforcement violence . Near 3 times that are wounded by law enforcement every year . Stop the violence against the American people . More Americans dying from police killings than are dying in Iraq war each year . Gun control for police is way over do .

@119 May 17, 2014 at 10:01 AM

You forgot to post your name and address so we could say things to your face.

Gus May 17, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Wow I see a whole bunch of people who need to apply for a position with the CPD. It would be like the Justice League coming to Concord. No one would ever die and everyone would be safe.

Tell us all powerful Super Friends why haven’t you stepped up and shown CPD how it’s done?

Three reasons:

1. Gainful employment has always been a challenge for you.

2. Incontinence in the face of danger.

3. You may have to arrest most of your family.

Cowellian May 17, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Bring me my brown pants!

@123 May 17, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Correction… Post 126 was intended for poster 123 not 119

@123 May 17, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Sorry Anonymous but they won’t post my name and address. I have tried twice.

ConcernedCitizen May 17, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Did she died?

@119 and 127 May 17, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Just use your full name in the “name” box. Pretty easy. Internet will take care of the rest.

ChampagneKitty May 17, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Concerned Citizen, what does the headline say at the top of this page?

Steven Pascoe May 17, 2014 at 9:36 PM

@ Anonymous…. There you go. Now how about the same from you?

Connie Dobbs May 17, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Incontinence in the face of danger is my superpower.

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