The Water Cooler – The Execution in Oklahoma

April 30, 2014 · 105 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

Last night, a man who shot a teenage girl and buried her alive in Oklahoma in 1999 was executed. The execution took about 40 minutes because one of the inmate’s veins ruptured. He died of a heart attack about 40 minutes after the execution began.

What’s your opinion on this? Was it cruel & unusual punishment for the inmate, or do you think justice was served?

Talk about it….

1 CarMonger April 30, 2014 at 12:03 PM

It fit the crime!

2 No BS April 30, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Cry me a river. His 40 minutes of “suffering” is nothing compared to the suffering the family of the girl he murdered faces everyday.

3 Karma April 30, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Sounds like he got his just karma and exactly what he deserved after he did a horrific act himself.

4 Patrick April 30, 2014 at 12:04 PM

I have remorse for this guy. They should have buried him alive.

5 Patrick April 30, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Correction – *no remorse

6 Anon777 April 30, 2014 at 12:08 PM

HELL NO – he got what he deserved. Something tells me he did not treat his victims humanely or compassionately.

7 Cowellian April 30, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Justice was definitely served! But these lethal injections are way too controversial. A rope is far less expensive, and is reusable.

8 Sister Carlene April 30, 2014 at 12:11 PM

That is awful, but Karma can be ugly and cruel.

9 Upset jet April 30, 2014 at 12:11 PM

I hope he suffered during the 40 minutes he took to die.

10 Diablo April 30, 2014 at 12:11 PM

It’s hard to believe they called it a botched execution, the guy is dead isn’t he?
The real tragedy is we can’t kill him again!

11 MrDuckyWucky April 30, 2014 at 12:13 PM

liberals this morning are frantically pacing with excessive indigestion and worry over this.
But this should make the liberal happy: the ghetto lottery! yes, this is an opportunity to sue the state for cruelty and made up accusations of malfeasance. Then the criminals family can live large!

12 Chuck April 30, 2014 at 12:13 PM

I have no symphony for this person, what about the person buried alive. He got what he deserved. Too bad it took so long before justice was served.

13 Not cool April 30, 2014 at 12:14 PM

That’s too cruel , being locked up for the rest of your life is cruel enough and knowing the day you die is also cruel . So why do they make it so it’s also a painful death. Just imagine everything going through his head while he dies

14 mutts April 30, 2014 at 12:14 PM

No one planned a ruptured vein. BUT….I think it went quite well. You always reap what you sow.

15 Mr. Pink April 30, 2014 at 12:14 PM

I don’t think you’re going to find many who sympathize in these situations.

“Lockett, 38, was convicted of first-degree murder, rape, kidnapping and robbery for a 1999 crime spree with two co-defendants. He was found to have shot teen-ager Stephanie Nieman and buried her alive in a shallow grave where she eventually died.”

Oh, and the other guy they mention in the article, Charles Warner, who is currently awaiting his turn on the table? he was “convicted for the 1997 first-degree rape and murder of 11-month-old Adrianna Waller, who was the daughter of his then-girlfriend, Shonda Waller.

11 months old??!!! Nothing they could do to this guy would be cruel enough.

16 Eye4eye April 30, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Should have been shot and buried alive

17 Cruel to who? April 30, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Interesting question. Cruel? Yes.
Because it took 20 years of endless appeals for this “inmate” to work the system, feeding attorneys, and clogging our system.
Punishment should be swift.

But no one cares, no one feels the pain of the victim. We forget that. Oh no. Now it’s the feelings of the criminal. The criminal who showed no mercy to a poor victim, and took all of her tomorrow away forever.

I think a firing squad should be the choice of execution. Not the gas chamber, or the electric chair, or lethal injection, nor hanging. All those are complicated, and “take too long”. Simply take the bastard out, stand him against the wall, and shoot him. Done.

18 J April 30, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Justice!

19 Anonymous April 30, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Yes and yes

20 marinemom April 30, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Justice was served!
There is a guy sitting on death row that murdered my 2 cousins.
Just seems everyone is more concerned about the person who committed the crime instead of the victims.
I agree with Cowellian 100%

21 Horse n around April 30, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Sorry, but I hope he suffered. Because you know that poor teenage girl suffered. You can also buy a bullet for about .50 cents. I have no sympathy for people like that. In my opinion, he lived to long.

22 Just my opinion April 30, 2014 at 12:25 PM

I personally don’t believe the death penalty
is a deterrent to crime for most career criminals.
I don’t support state(Gov.) killing. That being
said, I am not upset when someone that buried
someone alive, or harmed or murdered a child
is executed. But to me, a gun shot to the brain
is the quickest way to dispatch a life.
But for some of these people, the release from
this life is what they seek.
God help us all.

23 Animal April 30, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Cruel&unsual punishment? HELL NO!!! Should of been worse for what he did to that girl!

24 MrDuckyWucky April 30, 2014 at 12:33 PM

@#13: you are joking, right?

25 Almost There April 30, 2014 at 12:33 PM

He did not suffer long enough. To bad he had a heart attack.

26 James Dean April 30, 2014 at 12:35 PM

HOORAY…Everyone on death row or who commits crimes like this should be killed…why waste time and money…I’d be happy to commit the same crimes that the accuser inflicted on the inncent. No payment, no questions asked. That or just shoot them…get it over with….#WRITHEINPAIN….#NOTSORRY

27 James Dean April 30, 2014 at 12:43 PM

On the CRIMINAL that is!

28 Incognito April 30, 2014 at 12:47 PM

I’d say he got what he deserved, he lived 15 years too long, in my opinion. In the 40 minutes it took for him to die, I hope he reflected a bit on what he did to get him where he is today, but I doubt it.

29 Silva April 30, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Oh, boo hoo.

30 warbirds45 April 30, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Must been like the little pervert in the Green Mile, he forgot to wet the sponge!
Hannibal Lecter should be in charge!

31 Anon April 30, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I find it hard to feel sympathy for someone who committed such a horrible crime. It was certainly not worse than being buried alive. I hope Charles Warner goes the same way. Good riddance to both!

32 Lori April 30, 2014 at 12:52 PM

It was cruel and unusual punishment for that 19 year girl he shot !!! He got what was coming to him if he suffered even half as much as his victim then I say he deserved it. People that feel sorry for him have never had a family member ripped from their lives like her family did.

33 mimi ( non origional) April 30, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Cruel and unusual? IMO, not cruel enough! @ # 13, Imagine what went through the poor teenage girls mind as she was shot and buried alive! That POS got off easy!

34 NoWinners April 30, 2014 at 12:52 PM

I am for the death penalty. The crime he committed was totally disgusting and cruel. I only wish that the death penalthy were carried out faster and more often.

As for the suffering of this cirminal,that’s disgusting too. I believe the firing squad or lethal injection or gas to put them to sleep would be good ways of following through with this kind of punishment.

Due to prison overcrowding, this would be a good way to reduce the crowding of our prisons. Another way would be to lock up only those who are a real threat to society–gang bangers, rapists, armed robbers, burlgars. For people who make stupid mistakes there should be other punishments such as long hours of community service.and rehab, etc. That way, we would see the early release of gang bangers just because our prisons are overcrowded.

35 Cowellian April 30, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Maybe the extra 40 minutes gave him time to repent.

36 Lori April 30, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Marinemom @20 so sorry for your loss

37 Grumpy Old Man April 30, 2014 at 12:57 PM

He did not suffer long enough!!!

38 Elwood April 30, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Too bad it didn’t take longer.

It would also be nice if we could dig him up and execute him again.

39 Enfield303 April 30, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Hanging isn’t unusual as it has been used for thousands of years. Why don’t they use carbon monoxide instead of messing around with injection?.That way they will just go to sleep. Feel no sympathy for this man whatsoever. He should have been forced to look at the crime scene photos the whole time.

40 Pyrrhus April 30, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Do I feel bad for him? No. Should this be the standard procedure of executions? No. As a society we need to take the moral ground that we will not be what the rapists and murders are. We as a society need to deal justice swiftly and appropriately and not through torture. Also, keeping someone on death row for 20+ years is too long. The appeal process is important as a study found that 4% of death row inmates are innocent. However an appeal process should not hold up a sentencing for decades.

41 ConcordMike April 30, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Justice has been well served. Pro-lifers need to pay attention to the innocent babies, not grown adults who were given a chance to do good or do bad.
If you do bad, you get bad results, i.e. Death Penalty.
And yes, executions should be faster.

42 CCW April 30, 2014 at 1:41 PM

After the trial was completed in August 2000, the Associated Press reported that “Lockett was found guilty of conspiracy, first-degree burglary, three counts of assault with a dangerous weapon, three counts of forcible oral sodomy, four counts of first-degree rape, four counts of kidnapping and two counts of robbery by force and fear. The charges were after former convictions of two or more felonies, according to the court clerk’s office.”

They should have made it last longer.

43 Aspirin April 30, 2014 at 1:42 PM

@MisterDuckyWucky, What “liberals” are you crying about? Seems that 99% of the posters agree that he got what he deserved.

44 Dorothy April 30, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Guess I’m blood thirsty, I think he got less than what he deserved. But at least he had a tiny taste of what it was like for the girl.

45 Huskerfan April 30, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Who cares if he suffered. Just think about what he did to that girl. And to think that the family has to suffer the rest of there lives. I wish they would start doing more executions off death row. It would save all of us tax payers money.

46 mike mac April 30, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Next time they should use a Firing Squad.

47 CCW April 30, 2014 at 1:53 PM

The other guy raped and murdered an 11 month old girl, I hope his execution is even longer.

48 Bishop Estates April 30, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I have no sympathy for him at all. I personally feel that if without a doubt someone is guilty, found guilty by a jury of their peers. Fry him and save the taxpayers money. Bring back the firing squad or whatever. “Maybe” with harsher and swifter punishment we wont have the over crowding etc..

It is time we stop worrying about cruelty to the perpetrators of heinous crimes. Send them where they belong…to Hell.

49 Cowelllian, thinking green! April 30, 2014 at 2:05 PM

“A rope is far less expensive, and is reusable.”

It shouldn’t be funny, but it CRACKS me up!!

50 jtkatec April 30, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Madame La Guillotine, where are you?

51 The Professor April 30, 2014 at 2:11 PM

I’m glad he’s dead and I agree that a rope or firing squad is better. But make it quick with as little suffering as possible. Bring back the dungeons with hot pokers, the rack, and iron maiden (Run To The Hills…but I digress) if you want pain.

Or, you can drop them out of a helicopter at 20,000 ft. and give them a chance. “Your free to go if you can fly”.

52 ChampagneKitty April 30, 2014 at 2:13 PM

to marinemom #20–I’m so sorry to hear that you lost your two cousins so violently. This must be a sensitive topic for you. :-(

53 anonanonagain April 30, 2014 at 2:15 PM

I have absolutely no sympathy for sicks like this. We are debating whether it is cruel and unusual punishment when this monster raped, shot and buried alive a teenager?? What about the victims cruel and unusual punishment? I hope that he suffered the way she suffered. KARMA.

54 CCW April 30, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Claycord should give some info on the other guy, he took part in every last bit of it.

55 I don't care about the criminals April 30, 2014 at 2:41 PM

feelings. I don’t care if some bleeding hearts think killing these murdering b@st@rds is cruel to them. The criminals don’t care if they are inflicting cruel and unusual torture to their victims.

Once convicted and sentenced to death, these scum bags need to be taken out and shot. No appeal, no waiting, just shoot them and leave their carcass to the vultures.

56 Triple Canopy April 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Justice has been served and may his soul rot in hell.

57 Peanut Gallery April 30, 2014 at 2:56 PM

I don’t think you could be cruel enough to people like this. He was a parasite, just like the rest of childmolesters, rapists and kidnappers. I think we should have public stoning or hangings. The justice system is too weak and humane for these people. If you commit these types of crimes, you loose all rights as a human being!

58 funny man April 30, 2014 at 3:06 PM

an eye for an eye leaves everyone blind,
except for the last guy standing,

that guys name? Albert Einstien

59 Anon April 30, 2014 at 3:24 PM

I have no sympathy whatsoever.

60 Ahmad Hasani April 30, 2014 at 3:24 PM

Two wrongs don’t make anything right.

61 RanchgirlCA April 30, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Justice was served. I do not feel sorry for him.

62 Starman April 30, 2014 at 3:29 PM

As a victim of violent crime it’s about time the criminal got the bad end of the stick. I wish we still hung then for all to see

63 DoTheCrime April 30, 2014 at 3:30 PM

And get dealt with. No sympathy!

64 Anderson April 30, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Geez… we need to drop this “lethal injection” BS and all the debates and lawsuits over it, and drug manufacturers refusing to supply the needed drugs for a ‘cocktail’ that wasn’t even well designed in the first place.

For the most violent criminals, I’d be all in favor of public execution by guillotine. Like rope, it’s reusable, though not nearly as cheap. Failing that, some other tried-and-true methods like gas chamber or electric chair come to mind. And the rights of a person end when they effectively bring an end to the rights of others.

65 I'm The Urban Spaceman April 30, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Yes. It was/is Cruel & Unusual, while serving justice.

66 Vandy April 30, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Humane capital punishment is necessary as a deterrence for the most heinous behavior. And judging from the responses in support of the disgusting outcome of this botched execution, it is apparent that many people lack a basic moral compass to see why it was so wrong for the criminal to suffer. It makes me glad that capital punishment is in place because it deters those who would gladly seek an “eye-for-an-eye”, possibly outside of the legal system, and protects those who should be dealt with severely yet humanely.

67 Freeman April 30, 2014 at 3:51 PM

He has Constitutional rights to be protected from cruel and unusual punishment. The state of Oklahoma has kept the ingredients secret in what many believe to be in violation of the Constitution. For years many argued that the lack of transparency would result in unknown consequences. Then lo and behold, it goes wrong and he dies in what could have been an inhumane way. This is a problem of principal. It also shows how incredibly incompetent bureaucracy is by nature.

I think we ought to bring back hanging and firing squad.

68 Devils Island April 30, 2014 at 3:52 PM

I do not believe in the death penalty for a variety of reasons, one of which is someone was to murder a member of my family or a friend, I would want the SOB to rot as long as I lived and had to deal with it.

Bring back a devils island location and let the scum fend for themselves. A secured area of the Mojave would work for me. Give them a gallon of water and some seeds and say goodbye.

When the word gets out as the the living conditions, including having to deal with their buddies in the same place, I think that would be the best deterrent of all.

69 Nothing is perfect April 30, 2014 at 4:03 PM

We don’t discontinue a practice just because there are some mistakes. The intent was not to torture the dude. The intent (that is accepted by the state and high court) was to execute him.

Stuff happens. Next!

70 Poetic Justice! April 30, 2014 at 4:30 PM

@Marine Mom
My criminal justice professor talked in the first class about how quickly we change our thoughts on the death penalty when it is our family member who is the victim.
I am sorry for your loss. My mother was murdered too. The person never was convicted though.
If we are going to have a death row we need to clear it regularly and timely.
If we do not have a death penalty then we need to allow them to live out their lives in a jail cell void of anything but minimal food and water.
The criminals were the only ones who had a choice in the matter.
Unacceptable behavior needs to be met with serious consequences. And of course the death penalty does not deter these selfish, cruel animals. They all end up dying a natural death. When we wake up and enforce the death penalty, others will think of consequences.

71 Krogs April 30, 2014 at 4:31 PM

I have no problem with him suffering the last 40 minutes of his life. On another note though, how is it that we can put our pets down at the vet hospital and they go so peacefully, but can’t seem to do that for humans? Geez. If we can’t do that, then a gunshot to the head would be faster and easier. I always tell my husband that if I have a life with no quality and there is no hope for survival, please take me to the vet and have them put me down. LOL

72 jrconcord April 30, 2014 at 4:53 PM

His veins exploded because he was a junkie.
He got what he deserved. :-)
Should have used battery acid instead. Not some nice chemicals that puts him to sleep

73 Mark April 30, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Why does execution have to be humane? Seriously. Only the worst of the worst of the worst ever get executed. Does it really matter to society if the execution doesn’t go as planned. The prisoner has no rights, or at least should not have any rights. So who is being harmed?

74 Cigi April 30, 2014 at 5:51 PM

He should have suffered much much more. I can’t feel any sympathy.

75 Just me April 30, 2014 at 5:52 PM

My favorite quote on the subject of Capitol punishment by the Ohio assistant attorney general after their execution earlier this year

“Thomas Madden, an Ohio assistant attorney general, argued that although there are constitutional protections, “you’re not entitled to a pain-free execution.””

He has a great point. Had that man never committed the horrible crime that day he never would have been in that situation. Furthermore cardiac arrest “heart attack” is what a lethal injection does. First a muscle relaxer debilitates the lungs from operating and the last dose stops the heart.

Because the person is essentially paralyzed they don’t move which gives the assumption that there is no pain. It’s all an illusion to ease the viewing of the execution. No one wants to see the guy flop and scream in bloody horror while he dies, although some of us wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

In the end he died from the drugs. Unfortunate for him it went the way it did.

Now let’s look at the things he was afforded that his victim was not.

He knew he was going to die
He had a last meal
He has fresh clothes
He was treated with respect and dignity and there was no violence set upon him before the execution started

And most important of all
He got to say goodbye. He got to tell his loved ones that he loved them. Had one last chance to make reparations and one last chance to see his family before he died. Something his victim was robbed of

76 inmotion April 30, 2014 at 6:02 PM

The guillotine always got the job done.

77 No matter what anyone says April 30, 2014 at 6:21 PM

the death penalty does not deter horrific acts by people. What it does do is remove these horrific people from society, which is what’s needed.

We don’t need horrific criminals in jail or on the streets. Shoot them and be done with it. Let the bleeding hearts cry, all they are is an annoyance.

78 Ted K., SuperMax April 30, 2014 at 6:53 PM

I think all of the condemned should be executed the same way that the homicide(s) was/were committed.

Yes, I would have strapped Timothy McVeigh to 10 barrels of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil and gladly watched his pathetic existence explode in all of its glory into oblivion.

Justice. Done.

79 Whatthe April 30, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Wow! Look at what monsters his peers have become. Better get your guns, your pitchforks, your torches…build those walls higher and higher all you scared lemmings.
Does killing them bring back the dead? No! It just placates those blood thirsty vindictive types that cannot think beyond their noses.
Study after study after study shows that a death penalty is NOT a deterrent to heinous crime. So killing them solves the problem? It does not! It just makes it easier to ignore the social and class injustices wielded by those that “have” in this society.

80 Eddie Spaghetti April 30, 2014 at 7:22 PM

I have a hard time believing anyone feels sorry for this guy.

81 back to the old days April 30, 2014 at 7:45 PM

The sun shines just a little brighter without him in the world. I’m glad he is gone and wish he suffered more. As for people’s notions of firing squads, I love the idea, but have u seen the price of ammo lately? It’s too expensive to waste on such dirtbags. Go back to hangings in the town square, they used to be very popular. Even let the family pull the lever if they feel so inclined.

82 He Had it Coming! April 30, 2014 at 8:13 PM

See ya!

83 Shelly April 30, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Tookie Williams got my sympathy. None before or since.

84 Atticus Thraxx April 30, 2014 at 9:08 PM

I think about a little girl shot and buried alive and know there is no justice to be had.Pointless to even use the word. Makes me want to cry.

85 Cowellian April 30, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Seriously?
Tookie finally got the justice he deserved.

86 Joe April 30, 2014 at 9:45 PM

He deserved much worse than what he got.

87 NoMoreFreeRide April 30, 2014 at 10:13 PM

One word – NEXT!

88 cornfed April 30, 2014 at 10:25 PM

@whatthe 79

Just trying to think past my nose here. I’m not a research analyst, but I HAVE played a backwoods hillbilly meathead on Claycord. The death penalty is 100% effective as a deterrent to the executed.

89 old sage April 30, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Looks like a lot of people want Sharia law here in Claycord

90 Sharla April 30, 2014 at 11:53 PM

If you do the crime…someone already said that.

91 The Doctor May 1, 2014 at 4:54 AM

After reading what the monster had done… I can honestly say… it’s a shame more veins didn’t pop and they should have skipped the first injection… let him be awake for the whole thing… serves him right, and why not, what his victims had to deal with. Believe CNN noted that one of this earliest crimes was raping and killing his girlfriends 11 MONTH-OLD daughter. The creep got what he deserved. *big grin* ^_^

92 Concernicus May 1, 2014 at 6:30 AM

having sympathy for the devil doesnt make you any better than him.

93 Bark chewer May 1, 2014 at 6:58 AM

Calif, get ready! It appears that at least here on this page, 95% of us want violent muurders terminated ! These guys have all day to explore laws and how to turn them around to their advantage! No sympathy here for his crime or his just results. Pain, what about the victims pain? What was it like for their last moments of life?

94 The Mamba May 1, 2014 at 7:18 AM

I’m good with it.

95 J May 1, 2014 at 8:00 AM

The drug protocol used had never been tested before. The State was in essence trying an experiment on a human.

the Legislature voted to keep the protocols secret, by passing a secrecy law.

when declared unconstitutional by the State Supreme Court, the Govenor declared she’d do it anyway, the legislature then started impeachment proceedings on all 5 justices, intimidating them to overturn their ruling the very next day.

I guess you guys approve of your government performing medical experiments on citizens in secret, through tactics of intimidation. never mind the Constitution.

go to Russia.

96 Darwin May 1, 2014 at 8:21 AM

I hope he was in pain!!!

97 Roxanne May 1, 2014 at 8:56 AM

To those who are crying over the “cruel” way this man was executed. You think you are being altruistic and kind and feeling “superior” than the rest of us, but nope you have a mental disorder.

98 Almost There May 1, 2014 at 9:13 AM

@ #79
If the death penalty was carried out when the sentence was given, then it would be a determent for criminals. But because they get 20 years of free food, clothes, free medical, dental, tv, music, family time and workouts, there is no deterring those who would commit the heinous crimes that put them behind bars. They know they have it made at tax payers expense.

99 Dr. Jellyfinger® May 1, 2014 at 9:26 AM

I’d give him a jalapeno enema. It wouldn’t kill ‘em, but it’s a start.

100 Hey J!!! May 1, 2014 at 10:08 AM

You go to Russia. Leave free thinking and free speaking people alone.

Comments expressed here are personal opinions and expressions of beliefs. Not one person’s opinion has broken any law.

So take yourself home to Russia and live on potatoes, stale bread, cheap Vodka and a closed mind.

101 Interesting May 1, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Sympathy for Tookie Williams? I don’t know anything about gangs, but if I have zero tolerance for gang members, I can imagine how people who live in gang infested neighborhoods feel.

So what if he wrote children’s books. He had to do something to kill time behind bars.

Didn’t he murder innocent people?

102 Miranda May 1, 2014 at 10:57 AM

My sentiments exactly-so what; he should have died even more slowly.

103 Darwin May 1, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Tookie Williams was a POS. I dont care if he wrote childrens books.

104 anon May 1, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Rot in hell killers. Rot in Hell

105 Duane May 1, 2014 at 1:48 PM

There should be a max time on death row of 5 years and at that point they should be relieved of their miserable life. The death penalty by lethal injection is a joke they should still have firing squads.

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