The Water Cooler – Animals & Amusement Parks

April 11, 2014 12:08 pm · 40 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

Do you think wild animals do well in amusement parks with rides (example: Discovery Kingdom), or do you think it’s cruel for them to be kept inside such a loud venue?

Talk about it….

1 Anon April 11, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Both people and rides.

2 JET April 11, 2014 at 12:14 PM

I think its cruel to have animals in the zoos…… just watch the film ‘Blackfish’ to learn what really goes on and how these poor animals are treated behind the scenes. No wonder so many of them snap and kill their trainers, etc. Animals should be left in the wild.

3 Cruel April 11, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I think it’s cruel and unnecessary. It’s about time that we stopped finding amusement in the suffering of other creatures on this planet. Wild creatures should not be made to perform for us chimpanzees. The only circus I attend is Cirq de Soleil. I do not attend any parks who have wild animals performing tricks. It is demeaning and degrading to see and I will not fund parks who do this.

4 Cruel April 11, 2014 at 12:26 PM

In 1991 we went to 6 flags in Vallejo, and right by the roller coaster was wild animals. They looked stressed out, unhappy and depressed. With people screaming right by them on amusement rides. It made me sick. Then to see a Killer whale in a small fish bowl with more screaming people… I came away depressed and sad for the animals. I was told it is good for the animals, and brings education about them to the public. Will help save them. On and on, I wasn’t buying it. It is for $$, and sick human fun. I will not go to zoo’s either. Unless it is to protest that places like that should not be allowed to have wild animals. The zoo in Toronto was Horrible, with two polar bears obviously over heated and on concerto rocks in a pit, with more people laughing, screaming, running. It is disgusting . Animals need to be in their wild environment. If bred, they need to be kept away form people. Animals that become used to people either get killed if released or think of people as a way to get food. So no human contact. So do not buy the captive breeding lies they give you. We need to rethink the way animals are used for our entertainment.. A roller coaster right next to lions? With screaming people and noise? Are you kidding me?

5 Clayton Pete April 11, 2014 at 12:38 PM

It is heartbreaking, is what it is.

Anyone who enjoys these kind of “shows” has some pretty twisted sense of right and wrong. And yet, these displays of cruelty continue to pack ‘em in. Make one question humanity at large.

Now, for a great example of a much more humane way to enjoy animals up close, pay a few extra bucks and drive up to Safari West in Santa Rosa. Animals intermingling (where reasonable), wide open spaces to roam… it’s a wonderful park.

6 anonanonagain April 11, 2014 at 12:40 PM

I hate places like Seaworld and such. Circuses make me ill and should be banned if they have animals. It’s one thing to go and see Cirque De Soleil performers in a show but quite another seeing an elephant being subjected to balancing an object while standing on two feet. Zoos are okay as long as the animals are being well taken care of and that we learn to preserve their habitats and outlaw poaching and persecute those who do this despicable thing.

7 unknown April 11, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Seems like a sweet deal for the animals, free room and board, free medical. Mating privileges and your own personal assistant.
Animals live longer in captivity, they say.
I hope my retirement is as good.

8 Incognito April 11, 2014 at 12:45 PM

I’m in agreement with JET #2

For those of you who have not seen the film “Blackfish” you should. Really sheds light on what really goes on when meanwhile we are under the assumption these animals are treated well at all times and maybe have a better life in these establishments.

I’m following what’s going on with SeaWorld and hope even though this year they are still permitted to have the Orca shows that perhaps next year it will end.

If we all ask ourselves if we would like to live our lives in a cage, then we pretty much answer the question of today’s topic.

9 Anon April 11, 2014 at 1:07 PM

After seeing Blackfish I will never set foot in anyplace that uses animals for entertainment. That includes circuses & rodeos. They are only interested in making money and have no regard for the welfare of these animals or the people that work with them. Very disappointed to see that the ban on Orca shows did not pass- the almighty dollar won again.

10 Rob April 11, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Its bad enough when wild animals are in well maintained and well equipped zoo’s – it is pure evil to keep them near rides and other human activities that generate the type of noise and visuals that those rides create.

11 tired of taxes April 11, 2014 at 1:35 PM

I believe the PC term is “AfricanAmericanfish”.

I think the circus would be the equivalent of Animal Planet or The Real Housewives of Claycord County before reality tv (or cable tv for that matter) existed.

12 End It April 11, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Even if they were treated with kindness (which they are not), taking animals that have millions of years of genetcially formed neuronal desires they can’t help and putting them into situations that thrwart that is intrinsically cruel. Their lower intelligence does not affect their feelings of anxiety and pain.

We can use the Internet to see animals in their natural domain and do not need to see them inprisoned for our pleasure.

13 Shelly April 11, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Blackish was a real eye opener. I like the part where they deceive the public as to the natural lifespan of the animal in the wild, because they don’t live anywhere near as long in captivity.

14 Shelly April 11, 2014 at 2:39 PM

I’ve been to Barnum & Baileys back in the day, and Marine World Before the amusement park rides craziness, but I don’t support captive animal shows anymore.

15 waverunner April 11, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Over the years, my ideas have totally changed in regard to this subject. Keeping wild animals penned up is akin to the environment of prison; the noise is deafening for humans, let alone for animals in the wild who never hear these types of noises. I feel especially bad for the huge animals, such as the orcas, elephants and rhinos, who have no place to run or swim. It’s no wonder they end up attacking their human trainers in frustration to their surroundings. Our enjoyment is not worth the lives of these pent-up animals.

16 JLG April 11, 2014 at 2:49 PM

I have no idea what #11 just said?

17 Vandy April 11, 2014 at 3:02 PM

People should visit the animals in their natural environment with the “cage” or “fishbowl” roles reversed. I.e. The human visitors should pay big money to visit while protected in a cage that helps minimize stress on the animals and their environment. Ideally humans would be well hidden or cloaked with tools to view the animals without disturbing them. Maybe space aliens are doing this with us right now. Sad reality though is that as humans destroy our environment in the sixth mass extinction, the only animals that may actually survive are those that can be domesticated or adapted to zoos. Lets wonder about what species are still alive in 300 years. I hope I am wrong about that.

18 Mimi (original) April 11, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Does anyone recall the Outer Limits or Twilight Zone where, on another planet, two 20-something humans were placed in a glass “house” for zoo viewing??

19 Rambler April 11, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Vandy, roaches ants and all matter of insects will be alive at that time. Humans will be extinct.

20 Cruel April 11, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Dolphins have a natural looking smile on their face, even when distressed or depressed. Highly intelligent, they must do tricks for food. Millions of years in open sea, they are forced to live out their lives in a very small space with filthy man made water. With noise that must be a living hell for them. Also other animals. Who’s senses are up to 100 time4s greater than humans, smell, hearing, and the rides at 6 flags are very loud. They go insane. I saw it at sea world as the fish swam continuously in a circle in a small fish bowl, all looked insane. The list goes on. Every killer whale has a finger print so to say, a unique marking, and they have used the same name, like with lassie.. for numerous killer whales as they die. People were never aware of this. Until now. Also read more about killer whale lies here. It is sickening. And I am very very grateful for one thing, more people know now, as for 20 years ago it was like talking to a wall when I brought this up to people. Please do not visit these parks, zoo’s or circus’/ Money talks. Boycott them, then they will change. As said above, we can see them in the wild on countless wildlife web cams or got to places to see them in the wild. And take photos, not trophy hunt. This in itself will preserve them in the wild. Torturing animals does not help ANY cause. I was not aware of this movie , but it is pretty obvious the way animals were and still are treated in zoos etc. It is a crime. 6 flags needs to be shut down. They are breaking the law as we speak. Period. Animal cruelty.

21 Cruel April 11, 2014 at 3:15 PM
22 RANDOM TASK April 11, 2014 at 3:45 PM

WHEN killer whales are poached …yes (poached) form the sea to go to a amusement park let me see…..as well as elephants and any other animal ….the animal trade is in full swing as amusement parks are the highest bidders and lobbyist. There are rescues for inured and orphaned animals all sizes …..big corps just grab what they want and charge you to see em. Nice huh ……enjoy

23 itsme April 11, 2014 at 3:52 PM

I will not go to those places anymore.! It’s just not right!

24 Anon April 11, 2014 at 4:14 PM

I too used to go the parks back in the day but haven’t stepped foot in one for a long time nor will I ever again. My boss was telling me about Blackfish and how disturbing it was. I can’t bring myself to watch it or i’d be balling my eyes out especially how they poach the babies from their mama’s. I think as a society we all need to educate ourselves and quit going to these places. On the other hand if people quit going and the parks lost tons of money, what would happen to all the animals. Can’t put them back in the wild. It’s sad no matter what.

25 RANDOM TASK April 11, 2014 at 4:42 PM

mot people don’t care………. they take their kids and tell them its entertainment……. that the animals like being held captive and caged and love to come out of their cages for a 10 minute bit in a 1 hour show. Animals are for peoples entertainment is what children are being taught. YAY

26 Cruel April 11, 2014 at 4:52 PM

@ Anon. It needs to stop somehow. And sadly, being put to sleep, for me, would be preferable to a life spent in a circus or amusement park. Or zoo. They are barbaric and left over from the Roman days. It needs to END.

27 Pro Fi April 11, 2014 at 5:04 PM

I agree…. ‘Blackfish’ is a must see. As far as animals in captivity, it is cruel. I do not support any establishment that uses animals as entertainment. If I want to see these creatures, I prefer a good long hike or watching Nat Geo Wild. I am a big fan of sea creatures, we live in such an amazing place to have access (at a distance) to these animals in their native envirornment. Besides… walking is free!

28 T-Rex April 11, 2014 at 5:06 PM

I used to work at discovery Kingdom. They treat their animals better than most people treat their own pets and this just comes from experience of knowing how they treat them. As for the noise, it really isn’t that loud due to the layout of the park. However all the kids and people screaming is what you can hear. So, it’s not the rides, it’s the people. however, with all that being said, I would not like to live in an enclosed environment next to screaming kids. But I would love a personal assistant that makes all my meals and gives it to me and cleans up after me. All for free. But then I realize I live in a enclosed limited space house next to neighbors with little kids. Nothing like being free.

29 Cruel April 11, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Not sure if my last comment will make it past moderation. I understand if so. I just want to say I only wish the animals now in captivity for our amusement live out their lives with as little stress as possible, away from roller coasters etc. and hope we faze out these types of places. At least separate rides form the animals. And big open spaces for the animals. People will pay. I would pay to be able to take photos of some of these animals in a large reserve. But outlaw buying these animals, trapping killer whales and other animals to be used as they are.

30 Clayton Squirrel April 11, 2014 at 5:59 PM

San Diego Zoo is a non-profit that seeks to help animals like condors and endangered rhinos get back on their feet again. I liked the respect that they gave to the animals and their mission. Their polar bear showed unnatural repetitive stereotype behavior but the rest of the zoo seemed to be doing well. The “Honey Badger” was active non-stop with about 100 pieces of enrichment in its pen. I will not go to the circus, Sea World, or Six Flags in Vallejo. I stopped enjoying Six Flags when the put the roller coasters next to the animals. Uncomfortable for everyone.

31 Walnut Creek Resident April 11, 2014 at 8:35 PM

I know now cruel it is for the circus and all the marine world type places are
When I was a young girl I was very ignorant about the conditions the animals have in order for us to see them perform etc. I myself have three exotic birds and believe they should have never been domesticated even though I love them. They should have been in the wild. I am a responsible pet owner but I can appreciate how we should leave them out there in their own habitat! As a result of me having these birds my punishment is that they are very demanding and need my attention all the time and I have to clean up after them every day!!! They are worth it but it is like having three two year olds all the time!!! Ha Ha..They have given me much joy and I have loved them for over twenty years. Humans are so crazy.

32 Michelle April 11, 2014 at 8:42 PM

This is the reason we don’t go to six flags or any of the amusement parks where there are rides and animals. It is cruel beyond belief and understanding-those places need to be shut down and done away with.

33 Incoming April 11, 2014 at 10:26 PM

Quite honestly, I visited Sea World as a
child and enjoyed it tremendously. So,
much so, in fact, that in the 70s I joined
Greenpeace in their efforts to save the
whales. I do, however, now believe that being
confined and used to entertain is cruel and,
hopefully, we have become more enlightened
as a species and will end this practice.

34 Dr. Jellyfinge® April 11, 2014 at 10:54 PM

If thew whale was happy would it do this?!!

http://giphy.com/gifs/14uDJ7VwVdk5KU

35 Thew Whale April 11, 2014 at 10:56 PM

It wath an acthident!

36 Starman April 12, 2014 at 1:42 AM

I feel it’s cruel to have me live in the loud city. So why don’t all of you send your money to me and I will go live in the county

37 LitlleWing April 12, 2014 at 3:10 AM

@ #28: T-REX:

You are pretty niave if you think the animals are spoiled and waited on and cleaned up after. Since you said you worked at six flags you must be aware that thier facility in Vallejo has killed more elephants in the last decade than all other animal exhibits in the continuous US states put together. Surely you are also aware of the horendouz burning death of their resident Girraffs just 2 or 3 years back. Finally, you are in denial if you think that being in close proximity to the rides is not detrimental to the animals. You state it it is the all the screaming people which is bothersome. But you are failing to recognize the fact that the rides are catalyst for all of the screaming.
wake up. You are living in the stones ages,.

38 anon94523 April 12, 2014 at 3:59 AM

I guess it depends on the park. I always thought six flags in vallejo was too small for rides and animals. I was pretty impressed with Disney’s animal kingdom park in Orlando. The space they give the animals are huge!

39 Cruel April 12, 2014 at 7:44 AM

Just if you go, think about it. What the animals have to deal with everyday of their lives, while you only see a 15 minute show, then go off and ride a roller coaster. Think of the living hell those animals have to endure. Take a closer look at the park and behind the scenes, if possible.. Also read up on the history of this place, and the suffering and death of animals. Then if you can enjoy the animal show, and want your kids to enjoy it and learn animals are for our use, amusement, even if they suffer or die, then enjoy the park. Otherwise please Boycott it. Take a drive up the coast instead and whale watch from shore. Beach comb. Instead. That will put an end to it. As long as people keep going, spending their money there, animals will suffer. Leave the rides, fine, but REMOVE the animals…

40 south red April 12, 2014 at 11:22 AM

The cost that incurs is atrocious. Most leave? the park after only a few hours and won’t be seen again until the next season. I looked online for passes, but couldn’t find the right ones. But looking at all of these comments it seems useless.

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