The WC – Metal Detectors at Schools

April 9, 2014 12:00 pm · 67 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

Do you think all schools should have metal detectors at each entrance to make sure nobody brings a weapon on campus?

Talk about it….

{ 67 comments }

1 NO, parents should be aware April 9, 2014 at 12:05 PM

of what their children are doing and what’s in their backpacks. If they are not, they should be considered conspirators and be held accountable equally with their children.

2 The Mamba April 9, 2014 at 12:09 PM

I’m not there yet, but I can see how the argument could be made.

3 Yes April 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Yes, I do. It would help stop the violence in schools. Weapons can be confiscated and issues addressed before anything stupid happens.

4 Nick April 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM

No, waste of money. Will not stop anyone who wants to commit the crime, they will still get their weapons inside.

5 anon April 9, 2014 at 12:12 PM

There is no reason not too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6 True Parent April 9, 2014 at 12:13 PM

I think that parents should have more accountability for the actions of their children. Children should not be able to have these weapons to bring to school and the parents should make sure that they don’t. It is not the school system’s responsibility to police our children or be the baby sitters.

7 RunDogRun April 9, 2014 at 12:18 PM

No. This has become the only form
of population control for people who
refuse to practice birth control.

8 Subterfuge April 9, 2014 at 12:18 PM

No.

9 Yes... April 9, 2014 at 12:24 PM

But parents are not doing their “job”, so it
will be up to the Schools and law enforcement
to try and stop this craziness . Who will pay is
the type of question only a moron would ask.
One way or the other we all pay in the end.
Pussy footing around is what got us to this point.
We must demand better from all those that make
their living serving the public, while we work to
support our families and Communities.

10 GoGo Gomez April 9, 2014 at 12:39 PM

Why..then they will just try to stash weapons near the school.

11 anon April 9, 2014 at 12:45 PM

It would require 24 hour security on campus for classes,meetings, events and sports.

12 Grumpy Old Man April 9, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Yes. Recent history has shown that many parents do not have a clue what their little scumbags are up to. Metal detectors could save many innocent, good kids. It is not fool proof but we must do something. I’d have no problem paying extra tax to support this effort.

13 NRA #1 fan and member April 9, 2014 at 12:58 PM

YES, we need detectors at every school, department store, movie theatre and workplace.

The mental health of these sick humans these days makes it necessary for detectors. And every citizen needs to carry a firearm as theres never a cop around when ya need one.

Guns dont kill people kill !

14 Concordejet April 9, 2014 at 1:04 PM

All parents should have metal detectors in their own home instead of the school.

15 NRA #1 fan and member April 9, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Almost every kid in a poor neighborhood (like Oakland and Antioch) will arm themselves, so while we are building out metal detectors lets build more prisons to house these uncivilized, uneduated, 99% baby daddy not anywehre to be found, single mother or grandmother raised kids becasue lets face it………….jail time is highly likely for these poor kids

16 What security April 9, 2014 at 1:15 PM

We need security in all public building.
When you walk through the first security door, you get scanned then you walk another …. You know I can’t believer I am typing a response I can’t believe it has come to this. The times we live in..
Just ban bullets LOL You can have your guns

17 ClayDen April 9, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Rather than have metal detectors at the schools, how about parents at their front door as their children leave the house? Parents need to be parents, and should be held accountable, along with their children. As a safety measure, I’m afraid that high school teachers and staff should carry a firearm. I guess the Beaver is dead, and has been for a while. Sigh………..

18 Me April 9, 2014 at 1:16 PM

I can see both sides. Here’s my opinion: 1) teenagers try to make an art form out of hiding things from parents and they are at an age where they can’t be trusted yet need to have a little more freedom–so no digging around a back pack every single morning. Sure there are some cases where parents should be held more accountable (“afluenza”?) but not all. 2) I can see metal detectors almost encouraging kids to bring things they shouldn’t, it’d be a game to a teenager to see what they can get away with. You were a teenager once too, am I wrong? 3) Can you imagine the expense? 4) I’m horrified that our schools are becoming locked down like prisons. We spend a lot of money on prisons and now we’re going to spend a lot of money on schools to make them like prisons yet we still aren’t spending even close to enough on actually educating our kids. THAT is a problem. 5) I also don’t want my kid being shot or stabbed at school….but I don’t like home schooling either. Maybe we’ll just go live off the land deep in the woods somewhere…oh wait, the bears might eat us ;o)

19 Michelle April 9, 2014 at 1:17 PM

It’s a shame the time we live in, but I would have to say yes. Kids bringing weapons to school is just commonplace these days.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/justice/pennsylvania-school-stabbing/

20 RANDOM TASK April 9, 2014 at 1:19 PM

obviously missing the point ….everyone needs to realize this is the ( time out ) generation. showing us just how effective it is when you put kids on time outs they have no concept of why they just know for being bad they sit for no more than 45 seconds on a time out and have no recourse not to do it again. Just an observation as kids are now doing what ever they want to who ever they want still with no penalty for their actions …..now the kids who are being tormented through cell phones email face book and or general bad mouthing have no other options since the kids doing this are free to do so……. they being good kids finally see that being obnoxious and mean is the norm …so they act out as a last resort ……thank yourselves for making laws that are detrimental to our children and this country and obviously are bring this country down faster than any nuke ever could

21 Anon April 9, 2014 at 1:20 PM

No not here but they should have drug sniffing dogs at the high schools

22 Chris Rock April 9, 2014 at 1:20 PM

To quote what Chris Rock once said in “No Sex”, from his 1999 classic album “Bigger and Blacker” (cleaned up a bit for the kids…)

“Don’t go to parties with metal detectors. Sure, you feel safe inside, but what about all those ****** waiting outside with guns? They know you ain’t got one.”

And of course…

“Cornbread! Ain’t nothing wrong with that!”

23 RANDOM TASK April 9, 2014 at 1:22 PM

just look at the last five claycord posts and you will see exactly where this country is ……..dead last on all accounts

24 Anonymous April 9, 2014 at 1:27 PM

No knife left behind

25 Bishop Estates April 9, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Its sad to say but yes we need them

26 iwasthere April 9, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Parents can still be held accountable, even if the kid is stopped at the metal detector (check point), with something in their backpack.

27 Idiocracy April 9, 2014 at 2:08 PM

How bout an X-ray scanning machine like the original movie Total Recall (with Arnold not Collin) lol. IDK I think the main problem is a lack of discipline, respect, and hippy liberal lazy parents that probably use some app on their smart phones as parental guidelines. I notice the seeds of our destruction have roots in my gen. I’m appalled by how lazy people are! From tax cheats to not getting a job to using every excuse in the book in order to justify a wasted life. There are some major mental health issues going on. Kids and even grown adults seem to be having a hard time perceiving reality these days due to social media, entertainment and a lack of structure and personal responsibility. We are a flawed. There is hope = maybe nano bot technology can be injected into low IQ American Brains to offset our crumbling education system.

28 Idiocracy April 9, 2014 at 2:10 PM

We are Flawed. Maybe I need some Nano Bots too

29 Won't work in Concord April 9, 2014 at 2:46 PM

to many schools have multi bldgs on their campus. Example Westwood Elementary..separate blgs for each grade.

30 Nothing new April 9, 2014 at 2:50 PM

my son is 35 and I used to give rides to skating rink in San Ramon. One kid’s parent was on school brd….they dropped their backpacks and each one had huge knives in them. I took them all and told parents> Parents did nothing. So weapons have been going on for a long time and in even quote better areas.

31 Sure April 9, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Sidwell Friends School in Washington DC has 11 armed guards. On top of that, when Obama sent his kids there, Secret Service comes too.

I want the same (or at least SOME) protection for my kids and my wife (a teacher). BTW, local union contract states that the school is responsible for the security of the teachers and students. What are they doing about it? Nothing ! They are putting their heads in the sand !

We need armed guards at school. The metal detectors are great at keeping teachers, students and people who are supposed to be there, dis-armed, but what happens when a stranger bum rushes a school? Metal detectors are worthless. Nothing but a false sense of security.

The current safety plan at my wife’s school is “hide.” That’s a load of crap.

Worse yet, a nationally recognized firearms training facility in Nevada (one of the best) has offered free training to the schools several times and no takers. What the hell ?

Hey Desaulnier ! Where are you with your fix it wagon ? Come on !

32 Vandy April 9, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Problem is that there are so many hundreds of millions of guns floating around that sooner or later irresponsible children get their hands on them. Add to that a number of vocal gun advocates that insist “every person should have a gun” and it makes accessibility that much easier. Finally we have the media, that glamorize bombers and gun murderers, which actually provides some kind of sick role models for rebellious children. The mix is forcing schools to lockdown like fortresses, and discussions like this are on the table. There is no simple solution, but I can say with certainty that *more guns* is not the answer.

33 Mr. Pink April 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM

As much as I would hate to see it happen, perhaps it’s time. School violence is becoming far too common. Those who don’t have anything to hide shouldn’t be concerned.

34 MrDuckyWucky April 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM

I love metal detectors because you can find interesting, potentially valuable things that have been buried for years or even centuries!!

35 Triple Canopy April 9, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Great idea. Who is going to pay for it? I say the students should pay for it…

36 anonanonagain April 9, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Sad to think that the place that you should feel safe and be able to get a decent education should even think about getting metal detectors.
When I was a teenager, we wouldn’t have dreamed of wanting a gun to solve our problems or issues. Perhaps in our minds we had fantasies about revenge, but would never act on it.
It seems that there are so many young people that are maladjusted and disturbed and resort to violence in order to solve their sometimes very temporary problems.
Bullying is another issue, with the internet being a weapon for kids to gang up on each other. Sad…..

37 Polycarb April 9, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Metal detectors only work on metal. They don’t work on plastic. A plastic knife will slit a person form stem to stern just as well as a metal blade. Oh, look mom, I can print my own.

38 Incognito April 9, 2014 at 3:53 PM

Inmates in prisons find ways to get weapons in prison and often make their own. Where there is a will, there is a way. Metal detectors at school entrances is not going to solve the problem.

We need to get back to basics, and it starts at home, with the parents. I see too many articles of individuals under the age of 18 roaming the streets late at night getting in trouble, or ending up a victim, and the first thing I ask is, “Where are their parents?”

39 Jess April 9, 2014 at 3:56 PM

No, we don’t need metal detectors at Claycord schools. First, they wouldn’t work with the type of school design we have in this area. We have multiple buildings with multiple points of access and open hallways. Second, the school grounds are open to the neighborhoods so it would be easy for a student to hope a fence and stash a gun or knife in a bush at night.

A better use of our tax dollars would be to install more security cameras and hire more school resource officers, campus supervisors, guidance counselors, and school psychologists. Fully fund school sports, music and arts programs, and school clubs.

40 @32 Vandy April 9, 2014 at 3:58 PM

“The only person who can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” More guns in the right places is the answer. Sorry. Sad but true.

41 RanchgirlCA April 9, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Yes. I see no problem with this, other than funding. No problem at all.

42 Family... April 9, 2014 at 4:22 PM

structure was destroyed after WW.2, after working
in the war industries, Women were encouraged to
work ( for half of the pay of Men) and the ” liberation”
of Women began. Being a Wife and Mother was
Denigrated and considered old fashioned.
No more Parent at home when little Timmy and
Sally got home from School. No more time for
a parent to be at school a day or so a week.
No one home to keep an eye on them between
the end of school until they are home from work.
Being a parent takes all that two people can do!
Day care, two fancy cars, a house beyond their
means, 5$ coffee’s, two hour commutes each way,
Hellen Gurley Brown told Women they could
have it all. I am not against equality for Women,
I am against the theory that you can have it all.
It takes every second of a Mother and Fathers life
for at least eighteen years to raise a healthy,
well balanced Child.
I could go on, but no matter what will be said against
my post, I stand by it. The Family structure has
been destroyed and it won’t be repaired or retrieved.
Look around at what’s going on today if you want
proof.

43 mwo1859 April 9, 2014 at 4:49 PM

All right. Most of you are around my age of 42. I now have a 8 year old boy going to 2nd grade. When he mishaves (like I have I would get spanked and punished) But today you can not spank your kid or you have DCF called on you. We have become a wussy nation. Law says all kids need helmets when riding a bike. In the 70′s and 80′s we did not where helmets and we turned out just fine.

44 how about April 9, 2014 at 4:52 PM

How about if every person is locked in solitary confinement. Safety trumps freedom every time, right?

45 Dorothy April 9, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Sad to say, I agree that yes, there should be metal detectors at schools. Especially in High Schools and Colleges.

For some to say no because it won’t keep out all guns then of course, the schools should do nothing to deter anyone from doing anything because nothing is perfectly 100% guaranteed.

46 Noflow April 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM

#43, Those of us who survived, that is….

47 GaleForce April 9, 2014 at 5:44 PM

We had historical models for social
institutions that worked. But, then
all the smart, sensible people retired
and put the idiots in charge.

48 anon April 9, 2014 at 5:45 PM

True Parent and other’s have no clue what’s going on in and around public schools. Teens are doing drugs first thing in the morning before school start’s. Student’s have been caught with guns and knives almost monthly. Some student’s have been caught more than once with weapons on school property. I guess it’s more important that court houses, airports and even night clubs have metal detectors.We wouldn’t want Parents getting shot or stabbed at a night club!

49 Clayton Squirrel April 9, 2014 at 6:01 PM

No.

And kids this generation are no worse than other generations. There are so many great kids in our area. I’ve volunteered in classes and youth groups. There is way more venom in these comment sections that at any school around here.

If I was a kid who wanted to bring a gun or a knife to school I would get around the metal detector by throwing the weapon over the chain link fence to my friend. So easy. It’s not safe to only have one way out of campus during an emergency anyway.

50 Atticus Thraxx April 9, 2014 at 6:05 PM

” In the 70′s and 80′s we did not where helmets and we turned out just fine.”
Unless you didn’t.
I say the days of a bunch of kids traveling to a centralized location, split up into groups of thirty or more for training by a “select” group of adults is a paradigm that will fall by the wayside eventually. Instant access to internet makes it sort of inevitable. Not sure how hands on labs will work, but inefficient bureaucracy and the logistics of gathering large groups of children everyday may not be a long term problem.

51 inmotion April 9, 2014 at 6:25 PM

No, it just provides a false sense of security, like the body scanners at the airports, and it doesn’t end violence. Besides all weapons are not made from metal.

52 anon April 9, 2014 at 6:30 PM

I think CPD should let the Parent’s see how many student’s have been arrested at school with weapons and drugs. It will teach Parent’s how unsafe our schools really are.
Do Parent’s realize that their high school kids could be sitting next to a felon that was caught with gun and just got out of county jail the day before?

53 Rose Garden April 9, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Probably not.

54 concord April 9, 2014 at 7:32 PM

I think the public school system should be done away with. It has become too dangerous for children to attend public school any more because the schools don’t do enough to protect them. Besides the guns and knives, you have predators and molesting teachers. It is just better to do away public school. It was good in the old days; it is worthless now.

55 Jmh employee April 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Will the new northgate school system have metal detectors, I hope so. I would never send my kids to school without metal detectors. That area is full of riff rAff and up to no gooders. Go northgate unified haha

56 Julio April 9, 2014 at 8:11 PM

I think parents should be responsible for every damn thing their kids do like in the 40′s and 50′s. What is wrong today is no one is responsible for anything starting with the President. This country lacks accountability for anything to anyone!

57 El Tronco April 9, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I agree that parents do not keep kids in line, just by them gadgets to pacify them. As far as the schools, metal detectors are not the answer.
This is a bit ridiculous. I went to school in the South. An old school spanking/a$$ whipping is the ticket. The parents obviously want someone else to do their job. And very few punishments were issued, just the idea of it kept us in line.

58 Silva April 9, 2014 at 9:40 PM

I blame “action movies” and graphically violent games. When it became accepted that we would spend millions to see blood guts and gore in high definition, all was lost.

59 Suzanne April 9, 2014 at 10:02 PM

El Tronco, I feel sorry for the kids these days; in my day our parents kept us in line, no doubt.

60 NotPC April 9, 2014 at 10:29 PM

Cermac knives are not metal.

61 Michael Langley April 9, 2014 at 11:59 PM

Just a thought. College Park High School has approx. 2000 students. With two points of entry for monitored devices, how long would it take to process 1000 students at each detector? The idea of operating detectors at the typical suburban school is totally disrupting compared to the benefit perceived. When El Dorado was completely fenced years ago, the first evacuation drill demonstrated choke points at pedestrian gates leading to the assembly areas. A poorly planned attempt to make schools safer can create hazards of greater magnitude.

62 Mom of the Horde April 10, 2014 at 7:38 AM

Instead of metal detectors and security guards, why not hire crisis counselors for the middle and high schools and have them available for the kids who feel like violence is the answer to talk to… have them seek out the troubled kids to keep stuff like this from happening?

I know that WCSD and AUHSD already have rules in place about bringing weapons to school. Their zero tolerance policies can get a student expelled for bringing a tiny toy weapon to school… and yes, at least on the K-8 level, kids will rat out other kids who have weapons.

63 YesAgain April 10, 2014 at 8:27 AM

It IS unfortunate that we have to think about putting metal detectors in schools and everywhere else. Until such time as parents can again be parents (let’s get rid of the good-for-nothing CPS), metal detectors to mitigate the risk of people’s creepy kids wreaking havoc on other people’s lives must be considered. Kids now days have no respect or fear of anyone. Parents are more like friends, not like leaders or teachers in the household. They have no time to deal with their kids or to raise them. Kids get away with and do whatever they want and feel entitled to do so. Since kids do not learn respect for anything or anyone (elders, law, authority, etc.) we now have to deal with a rise in crime because these lousy undisciplined kids are growing into lousy undisciplined adults who do not care about anything but themselves. They seem to lack moral fiber and a conscience. These kids will be raising their own kids soon and the cycle will continue. The way that kids are these days is a sad state of affairs. Very sad and very embarrassing. I am embarrassed for the parents and families of these kids. It’s part of the further dumbing down of America. We’ve gotten to be too soft on kids and we no longer raise them and teach them. We just let them do whatever they like because it’s easier, but it is a great disservice to our children.

64 @62 April 10, 2014 at 8:45 AM

LOL

31 has the right idea. Counselors will not prevent anything.

65 gimli April 10, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Stop the bullying and you will solve the problem. 100% of these killers are all bullied.

66 Walter White April 10, 2014 at 10:51 AM

@42 I think you’re totally on the mark. Unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll ever go back to the way things were. Too many women “want it all,” and I don’t believe that a well-balanced, well-structured family is considered part of “IT.”

67 Mac April 11, 2014 at 8:15 AM

Our school do not have one area the people go thru to get into the school sites.
People come in from all different directions.
So the cost of making the school sites fit to this one entrance area would cost way too much.

Schools built in the future should have this in it`s plans.
But to try and put it in at schools that are not set up correctly is not possible.

Been working at a school site for the last 14 years

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