Claycord – Talk About Politics

March 28, 2014 20:00 pm · 443 comments


This post is “Talk About Politics”.

Please use this post to talk about politics, and keep politics out of the “whatever” thread.

Thank you, and be kind to each other!

401 Aunt Mary April 3, 2014 at 7:45 PM

In #399 our little self-deluded deviant admits that all females look alike to him.
Not surprising at all, is it.

402 shadowblade April 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Connie Dobbs…

If, by nothing, you mean facts, statistics, and the truth, then yes.

403 Dennis April 3, 2014 at 7:58 PM


ahhhh, yes, the old Media Matters crap:


-Isn’t it time you do like the rest of the world, and give up on them as unbiased or truthful?

-Seriously, do you think they would ever find fault with the Clintons, instead of trying to shift the blame elsewhere? They are like, a puppet of George Soros, except they have numerous ties to the Clintons as well:
Media Matters for America (MMfA) is a politically progressive media watchdog group. MMfA started with the help of $2 million in donations from liberal philanthropists connected to the Democratic party.

Six years after the Alliance endorsed MMfA, financier George Soros—a founding and continuing member of the Alliance—announced in 2010 that he was donating $1 million to MMfA.

Former chief of staff to president Bill Clinton John Podesta provided office space for Media Matters early in its formation at the Center for American Progress, a Democratic think tank that he had created in 2002.

Hillary Clinton advised Media Matters in its early stages out of a belief that progressives should follow conservatives in forming think tanks and advocacy groups to support their political goals.

A senior analyst with the liberal activist group Media Matters
tweeted an apology on Tuesday after calling journalist
Matt Drudge a racist and accusing him of using a phony photo
of Trayvon Martin.

“Racist demagogue Drudge continues to run photo of some kid,
not Trayvon for incitement purposes,”

Rosenberg followed that posting by retweeting a message saying,
“Matt Drudge has done more to debase American news coverage
than anyone in history of country.”

The newer picture of the older Martin was reportedly taken
from his (Martin’s) Twitter page

A spokeswoman for Media Matters, a non-profit organization
that professes to correct what it considers conservative
bias in the media, declined to comment.

But the spokeswoman noted Rosenberg’s Twitter feed does
not necessarily reflect his employer’s views.

Rosenberg has courted controversy before.
Media Matters lists him as a senior fellow, and he specializes
in issues involving Israel.

He is a vocal opponent of Israel’s government and an ardent
supporter of Palestine who once branded Israeli
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a “terrorist.”

Harvard Professor Alan Dershowitz has branded Rosenberg
an anti-Semite for branding pro-Israel Americans with
the name “Israel-firsters.” Dershowitz, a lifelong Democrat,
has called on the Democratic Party to distance itself from
Media Matters. Rosenberg responded to Dershowitz by telling
him to “go to Hell” and urging Dershowitz’s students to
boycott his class.

Read more:

404 Dennis April 3, 2014 at 8:21 PM

@PhanDumb #370

“Educational attainment in the United States, Age 25 and Over (2013)[3]

Education Percentage
Associate’s and/or Bachelor’s degree 41.50%
Bachelor’s degree 31.66%
Master’s and/or Doctorate and/or professional degree 11.57%
Doctorate and/or professional degree 3.16%
Doctorate 1.68%”

That doesn’t square with these stats:

“Overall, the population of Active Duty officers has a higher
level of formal education than the civilian population.
According to the DoD, “The majority of officers, 86.6%, had
either a Bachelor’s (53%) or advanced degree (33.6%)” in 2004;
while according to the 2003 US Census, only 27.2 percent of
the U.S. population age 25 and older had a Bachelors degree or

405 furian April 3, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Is it Christmas yet? I do love a good war.

406 Dennis April 3, 2014 at 8:32 PM

@Shallowbrain #359

Once again you recycle the old garbage about Japan and Western EU being “comparable” to the US, and having lower murder rates.

Of course, you don’t mention that the UK gun violence has INCREASED each time they imposed more strict gun control laws. And you fail to note that your cherry-picked examples don’t have the ethnic/racial diversity of the US cities (where our gun crime is centered).

How about Mexico City, Shallowbrain? Or these?

Murders per 100,000 citizens.
Brazil 21.0
Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Nicaragua 13.6
Cote d’lvoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
Mexico 16.9
United States 4.2

ALL these countries except America have 100% gun bans.

You also limit the discussion to murders, rather than all violent crime.

“Amsterdam tops the list of homicide rates in Western Europe with 4.4 murders per 100,000 people, followed by Glasgow (3.3 per 100,000), Brussels (3 per 100,000) and Prague (2.7 per 100,000). With 0.0016% of people in London being murdered, the city ranks just ahead of Canada and Serbia’s largest cities.”

But in actuality:

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports for 2001 indicate the violent crime rate in the US was
504.4 per 100,000 inhabitants, while property crime ran at
3656.1 per 100,000 inhabitants.

The Dutch Central Bureau for Statistics for 2001 indicate Netherlands has
625.4 violent crimes per 100,000 people and
5684.4 proprety crimes.

Or, to put it differently, the violent crime rate in the Netherlands in 24% higher than in the US, and the property crime rate is 55% higher.”

(Amsterdam rates are double the rest of the country.
The Dutch blame that on the 7,000 addicts, whose only
income is crime and welfare, and who account for 80%
of the crime).

407 Dennis April 3, 2014 at 8:39 PM


“Amsterdam rates are double the rest of the country.
The Dutch blame that on the 7,000 addicts, whose only
income is crime and welfare, and who account for 80%
of the crime”

sorta sounds like the US “inner cities”, the core voter group for the Democrats, whose only income is crime and welfare.

408 @ Shadowblade April 3, 2014 at 8:57 PM

You are wasting your time with the Phantom. He is decompensating as we speak. Had to make up a bunch of phony facts to prove he was in the service, like the SAW issue. He’s another barstool cowboy. Not a vet, guaranteed.

409 furian April 3, 2014 at 9:32 PM

You wing dings really to have an obsession with the Phantom.

It really is something.

How does one anonymous poster make so many of you post such hate?

Are your lives really filled with such sorrow and animosity?

That’s no hoot, that’s just pathetic.

410 Connie Dobbs April 3, 2014 at 10:04 PM

Wrong, shadowblade. Try again. Think answers, solutions, alternatives to waiting for the minority to do the President’s job for him. That sort of thing.

411 Connie Dobbs April 3, 2014 at 10:07 PM

#406 Please. Rick Steves doesn’t go to any of those places, so why would you expect shadowblade to care about their crappy little countries?

412 shadowblade April 3, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Once again, Dennis ignores the fact the US has a higher homicide rate than comparable Western European countries, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc, and instead compares the US to poor countries. Ridiculous.

413 shadowblade April 3, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Connie Dobbs…

Except conservatives don’t come up with solutions. They just whine and complain, and blame others.

Why didn’t Bush sign an executive order repealing the DoDs rule to make military bases gun-free zones? A very simple solution that was never implemented. Instead, they repeat the lie that Clinton was responsible for the rule.


One more thing. Do you even understand population densities?

Once again…

“Historically, the causes and origins of crime have been the subjects of investigation by
many disciplines. Some factors that are known to affect the volume and type of crime
occurring from place to place are:
• Population density and degree of urbanization.
• Variations in composition of the population, particularly youth concentration.
• Stability of the population with respect to residents’ mobility, commuting patterns,
and transient factors.
• Modes of transportation and highway system.”

Read this OK? Population densities have an effect on crime. Therefore, it isn’t wise to compare an European city to a less densely populated country, and claim the crime rate is higher. You can, however, compare European cities to the US, to point out the anomaly regarding homicide rates. Why? Because more densely populated areas SHOULD have higher homicide rates. We should expect more densely populated areas to have higher homicide rates. But we don’t see that in European cities, compared to the US.

And why do European cities have lower homicide rates than the US, in spite of the fact they are much more densely populated? Gee…maybe gun-control policies do work.

414 shadowblade April 3, 2014 at 10:34 PM


What phony facts did Yhe Phantom make up?

415 Yhe Phantom April 3, 2014 at 11:37 PM


They only try to come after me because they know I am the old guy who is one of the lesser intelligent members of the Democratic Party.

Being possibly vulnerable to effective attack, they assemble their bar room brawlers in a group, and try to cut me off from getting out the front door.

Unknown to them, I fall back toward the pool tables to draw them in, in lines. Nobody has patches. Just weekend players; insurance underwriters, and tax accountants during the week.

Later, they drag their bruised and bleeding little leather clad bodies out the door wondering how I can hurt them so hard, through their fake black leather, parasexual, protective biker wardrobes.

Later on still, all the other Democrats at the card tables laugh and tell me how I was too slow or not precise enough.

They help out when it looks like I’m getting tired with 18 to 1 odds. Some of them will jump in just to revisit old victories.

It’s always a good ending for me, even if a few of their Momma’s shout and swear insults as they drag their ol’ men off into the street.

Then we just wait for closing time at the Bar and BBQ.

416 Dennis April 4, 2014 at 1:50 AM


there you go again, trying to find exceptions and pretend they are the norm. How about Mexico City? Got the richest billionaire in the world, got a population the size of CA, and has huge violence.

Oh, I guess you want to try and dodge the ethnicity mix issue entirely. Wanna compare EU countries to USA? Pick those with the same blend of ethnicities. And BTW, you still refuse to admit that if gun control were significant, then England’s violent crime rate would go DOWN each time they passed more restrictive weapons laws; in fact, the rates have gone up.

And you ignore what has been posted by numerous sources: violence is associated with those whose only income is welfare and crime. Lots of that in US inner cities, not so much in other countries. But you want to stop the War On Drugs? Why? So the core Democratic voter stays out of jail, and can vote?

Show me a city in any country with the same lend of ethnicities and poverty as US Big Cities that
A) had lower violent crime rates than US Cities, and
B) had those rates DECREASE AFTER passing restrictive gun laws.

You can’t.

Your methodology is unscientific; you refuse to acknowledge all the significant variables, because the goal is more important than the evidence.

IF, as you claim, Democratic/Socialist control, and Gun Bans, actually lowered violent crime rates, then you should be able to produce numerous examples right here in the USA where it has actually happened. Yet using Flint or Detroit or Chicago as your Petri Dish yields results not supportive of your political agenda:

Dem control and Welfare and Gun Bans are a failure in our cities.


417 Anon Redux April 4, 2014 at 7:57 AM

Democrats resist bill to restore 40 hour work week

House Republicans voted Thursday to change ObamaCare clauses that define a full-time employment as 30 hours a week, to 40-hours.

This led to some tense debate about the overall healthcare law. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) said the $74 billion cost of the bill goes against the GOP’s stated intent of trying to balance the budget.

He also said it’s a “fraud” to claim that the newly released GOP budget plan can repeal ObamaCare and keep the budget in balance.

That led Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) to argue that Democrats lied when they claimed ObamaCare would let people keep their doctors and their coverage while lowering costs.

“There’s not a single family in America that promise has been kept for, and then I hear the word ‘fraud’ from the other side of the aisle,” he said.

It’s likely that President Obama would veto the bill if it passed the (Harry Reid controlled) Senate.

For the latest (of multiple) Harry Reid scandals read:
Did Harry Reid’s webpage on Koch Brothers violate Senate ethics policy?’s-webpage-koch-brothers-violate-senate-ethics-policy

418 @ Shadowblade April 4, 2014 at 8:00 AM

Go back and read the Phantoms posts about having been in the service. If You dont have the expertise, find a veteran and have him review what he says about his service time and you will find that anyone who was there can almost instantly spot that the Phantom wasn’t.

It galls a lot of people when someone claims to have been in the service and is found to have lied.

Thats what bugs people about the Phantom.

419 Connie Dobbs April 4, 2014 at 8:03 AM

#413 I don’t recall mentioning conservatives, but you’ll fight at your weight no matter what I say, won’t you? It’s like playing chess with a pigeon; It doesn’t matter how good a chess player you are, the pigeon will just knock over the pieces, poop all over the board and then strut around like he won.

420 furian April 4, 2014 at 8:07 AM

So the wingers are greed, the answer to gun violence is to eliminate poverty!

Good job guys! That’s using your noggin’.

So where do you want to start? Raising the minium wage? Better education? Head Start? Increased social services for the poor?


I know, I know, cut taxes for the rich and mmulti-national corporations and it will all trickle down.


That’s HOOTanomics!

421 Laughs @ Tools April 4, 2014 at 8:57 AM

Oh look at that, shadowblade is whining about gun control again using his predictably fraudulant analysis.

Let’s have some fun …

422 Connie Dobbs April 4, 2014 at 9:08 AM

“Imagine going to work one day only to be, in effect, fired — not because of anything you did or didn’t do at your job, but because of something you did in your personal life. Something religious. Or maybe, something political.
Imagine if you were denied a promotion at work because a co-worker found out you had made a personal donation to a conservative candidate. Imagine if your environmentally-correct boss discovered that, in your free time at home, you supported an organization that exposed the fallacies of man-made global warming and asked you for your resignation. Imagine if you were the successful CEO of Widget Corp, lauded and respected for your accomplishments, but clients or customers found out you were a tea partier and demanded you be forced out.”

423 Aunt Mary April 4, 2014 at 9:17 AM

Oh gee, was that another excellent contribution by phantom’s little @$$-kisser.

424 anon April 4, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Don’t forget they are also experimenting by giving ignorant people flu shots and other vaccines, all of which contain poisons and cancer viruses.

425 VikingPrincess April 4, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Good article, unfortunate story. Hope he got this reason in writing ;). Me thinks this is a first amendment issue?
How it was discovered by his employer would be interesting to know too.
Whether you agree with another persons views or beliefs (that are not harmful or life threatening to others) should not matter in the workplace. I know Google is big on diversity in the workplace….this should include all views – anti or pro. If he supported a Proposition for legalizing marijuana would he have been let go?

BS I say. Whether I agree with his beliefs or not, does not deter me from the issue that he has the right to do what he wants in his private life while upholding his company’s philosophical P.C. campaign.

426 @Connie Dobbs April 4, 2014 at 11:09 AM

I find it very sad that those who preach tolerance for other people’s lifestyles are the least tolerant of anybody when it comes to opinions that don’t agree with theirs.

427 VikingPrincess April 4, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Excellent point. Their actions reek double standards.

428 Phillip April 4, 2014 at 12:31 PM

@shadowblade #413…. “Except conservatives don’t come up with solutions. They just whine and complain, and blame others.” You’re telling me that’s ALL they do? 100% of the time? If that’s the case, then I guess I can state that all liberals are liars and not be disproven.

@phantom #415…. Don’t hurt yourself patting yourself on the back. We can tell who the poseurs are (or “poser” for the illiterate). Just keep digging your hole while your little buddy screeches away.

@#426 and #427….. they’ll never see their hypocrisy.

429 Yhe Phantom April 4, 2014 at 12:50 PM

shadowblade, furian, JWB

Did I mention this?

When I was finally put in charge of an S-2 section at Battalion Headquarters, I insisted on daily uniform inspections. I was a stickler for H&HD personnel buttoning back pockets on fatigue uniforms. Often my men asked why I was so fanatical about this and I would tell them what happened to me.

My Command Sergeant Major always harped on buttoned pockets, yet as a young grunt I rolled up my sleeves, left pockets akimbo to get at my cigs, and never spit shined my boots.

One night I was crawling under barbed wire, on my back, with my weapon at port arms, when I caught something. If I had buttoned my back pocket, the button would not have snagged a trip wire that set off a charge against the main ammo bunker. It blew the whole ammo dump apart and we were all killed.

That CSM probably heard of it, and laughed.

Have more respect for your non-coms.

430 Yhe Phantom April 4, 2014 at 1:07 PM

What security and Yhe Phantom led on the lousy Mozilla story…we believe in free speech and we don’t believe in punishing people for the votes or contributions to opposing positions.

I do believe in Explorer and Google, Google Chrome.

The persecution of an individual for expressing their First Amendment Rights of Religion and free speech is wrong…not inappropriate, or dismissive…just wrong.

The tweets were ginned with fake re-tweets anyway…how stupid are those people?

He was the brains of the outfit. Now they can find out how Darwin’s law applies in business.

431 Aunt Mary April 4, 2014 at 1:38 PM

phantom forgot to begin his tale with “once upon a time” and conclude with “and they all lived happily ever after”.

432 Elwood April 4, 2014 at 1:49 PM

It becomes more and more obvious that furiac and shadowboob are duh phandum sock puppets.

433 . April 4, 2014 at 1:52 PM

I thought it was gonna start with “Y’all ain’t gonna believe this $hit”….

434 Yhe Phantom April 4, 2014 at 1:58 PM

At least seven things would get your American corporate career derailed since 1960.

Sympathetic to Civil Rights?
Anti-Vietnam War?
Pro women’s jobs and pay rights?
Elective terminations of pregnancy?
Gay rights?

And these are still going to affect your raises and income…nothing has changed.

I’m sorry for the Mozilla guy…tell it to the Hollywood Ten. They were not billionaires.

435 Yhe Phantom April 4, 2014 at 2:21 PM

When I watch and listen to Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, I appreciate their important function in American politics.

Stupid people have a right to representation too!

The fact that they are in charge of the Republicans in the Senate, and that the House is controlled by the same party, demonstrates the same principle of the old saw, “God must have loved poor people; He made so many of them”

Indeed, we have at least 61,000,000 criminally stupid people in the United States, and none of this particular group are undocumented (illegal) aliens.

436 teri April 4, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Please contact your lawmakers and oppose CA SB 967, an Affirmative Consent bill.

‘Affirmative Consent’ means that college students must affirm their desire to engage in sex with each other, over and over, before and during the act, until they are done having sex. Years ago a college in Ohio implemented this idea. They were mocked on SNL,.and ended up having to close their doors.

This all started with the Dept. of Education’s Affirmative Consent proposal. Luckily, they have seen their error, and the just-released revised proposal does not include Affirmative Consent. Now, let’s hope CA lawmakers are as smart.

437 View from the Center April 4, 2014 at 3:50 PM

The uplifting and positive comments from phantom continue.
Of course the little daisy doesn’t know how this link was before he showed up and started defiling it. Then came his many personality manifestations, including the one we all think of as the dancing monkey.

We had great political dialog, the occasional battle of wits between posters and yes even sarcasm. It was thought provoking and fun.
But it was not mean-spirited and hateful, like now.

Since the unfortunate arrival of that obsessive compulsive phantom and his multiple personalities, the link has become ugly, divisive and hateful.

That’s just what sad losers like him do. We should simply ignore him, I have for months already. We can take our blog back!

438 furian April 4, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Yeah! The boycott is back on!

You dingers are really desperate to believe phantom is a multiple personality poster.

Why is that? You worried your wonderful little winger blog here is infested with multiple progressives? Your worst nightmare.


Sorry to disappoint wingies.

Bow many of you are multiple perso ality posters? With all your accusations, it seems that he who smellt it, dealt it.


439 shadowblade April 4, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Phillip #428

I see numerous attacks on Yhe Phantom, etc. I see mindless dribble from Elwood. I see flat out lies, along with plagiarized opinion pieces, from anonymous posters. I see Dennis, et al, making unsubstantiated claims, and refusing to support them. Where are the solutions?

Go back and read every comment. Count the number of personal attacks against Yhe Phantom alone.

440 Anon Redux April 4, 2014 at 4:34 PM

The Coming Obamacare Shock for 170 Million Americans

The ACA imposes massive costs on employers, whether those come in the form of fines, higher premiums, red tape, or a combination of all three.

Businesses that have new and massive costs imposed on them by regulatory changes no longer can use that capital for investment, risk-taking, and expansion.

That means fewer new jobs for Americans, and fewer opportunities to move up the economic ladder as well.

441 Yhe Phantom April 4, 2014 at 4:52 PM


“It was thought provoking and fun.
But it was not mean-spirited and hateful, like now.”?

View from the Center is a real hoot. In 2012 there was a Facebook page complaining about the over the top bigotry of several of the posters. It proposed a boycott too. View is having an opium dream…View from the Center my elbow.

I watched them mangle my id name before I even posted six times. And started calling me gay, a woman, a transvestite and such even before I posted a dozen times. Fundumb, Phanturd, Phan…little daisy etc. started immediately 18 months ago and never stopped…no matter.

They hated me from the start because I used facts to support my arguments and would not allow meaningless unproven tag lines to take the place of reality.

Anonmtz, anon (the Democrat), Shadowblade and JWB were here, as they have always been, and they remember.

View? Think John Beluchi in Animal House with a southern accent.

When I got here there was a continued racist anti Obama orgy. View and his friends would hurl their Birther, Kenyan, Muslim, Commie, crap and expect that once posted it was accepted as a fact. Well nooooooooooo!

And like drug addicts and drunks, they hate the word NO! Unless they are saying it.

View hates me for the thrashing I gave him and his friends, of whom only a few survive and you know who they are and have seen their fine works. What you have seen is as good as they ever were…never any better.

There were others and more will be back as the election ramps up.

Only AnonRedux is worthy.
And that is how you play the memory card……..suckers!

442 et-al April 4, 2014 at 4:58 PM

Hmmm, I don’t recall making unsubstantiated claims, shadowblade. Perhaps your claim is unsubstantiated.

443 Yhe Phantom April 4, 2014 at 5:11 PM

No one should ever worry for the Phantom’s happiness. I am not a wounded dove from their attempts at abuse.

I have been married and divorced from at least two very nasty people and it did me no harm. It was like being in the Army but the Army food was better.

I had a love hate relationship with the Army. With the girls it was just hate…they were conservatives.

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