Water Cooler – The U.S., Russia & Ukraine

March 3, 2014 12:09 pm · 59 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on Claycord.com where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

Are you worried about the U.S.’ involvement in the incident in Ukraine, and do you think this conflict with Russia & Ukraine will turn into a war?

Talk about it….

1 TinFoiler March 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Uhh, Didn’t America stick their nose in Iraq (had NOTHING to do with 9/11, but Oil and Pipelines) and countless other countries America has invaded and occupied under false pretenses. Keep out of it ~ The Mainstream Media once again is NOT being truthful surprise, surprise.
If America really gives a $h!t ~ let them bust out their top secret weapons and make Russia retreat, war no longer has to be fought by troops like WW1.
Also, the Bankers and War profiteers just want to make money.
Keep Out of it!

2 Peace Keepers March 3, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Good topic. What needs to happen, and what may, are two different things as usual. The US has no business in telling Russia what to, or not to do.

The end.

3 NO WAY! March 3, 2014 at 12:25 PM

When are going to understand we can’t stick our
noses into every bodies business. Take care of
our own problems and leave them to their problems.
Then again it sure seems we prefer a state of
constant war, why if needed ,we can always
borrow from the Chinese to get the money they
can’t take from our pockets.

4 Sabrina March 3, 2014 at 12:26 PM

It would be nice if the US were “less involved” everywhere. We need to take care of our own first.

I have no idea if this will lead to war. I hope not.

5 So-Called Expert March 3, 2014 at 12:27 PM

I don’t see us getting involved in a shooting war in Europe, assuming a shooting war even happens. Ukraine isn’t even part of NATO so nobody in Europe will step in. Putin will do whatever the hell he wants – he’s crazy.

6 Ted K., SuperMax March 3, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Nope.. not worried. Obama’s lack of credibility in foreign policy, lack of gonads, and lack of a spine will esnure that the US is not involved.

Bravo Mr. President! Your rhetoric really keeps the world in line!

7 EAST BAY VELO WORKS March 3, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Kind of scary! They are friends with China. We are already involved in the middle east. Seems like the fall of Rome II is inevitable. Just my opinion. Not claiming to be an expert. Just a novice historian. I have to admit, I am afraid of the next few years.

8 Jessica March 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM

I don’t know what will happen but I’m so happy we have Obama’s measured, steadfast guidance to lead our country through this crisis.

9 I'm Your Huckleberry March 3, 2014 at 12:53 PM

How about if we MYOB on this one, for a change.

10 ButtOut March 3, 2014 at 12:55 PM

The US should butt out. We stick our fingers in too many pies and have no focus. Nothing good comes out of these things. We need to mind our own business and stop dictating to other countries. What we need to do is focus on alternative forms of energy, educating our people, and onshoring work–bring back manufacturing etc and incent companies to do so.

11 the big cheese March 3, 2014 at 1:10 PM

In our time on this planet, we have seen an end to war as we know it. We now have enough weaponry to change the earths axis. And yet, we still get sucked into limited controlled fights that prove nothing in time. Then we repeat it over and over………if I remember correctly, it was Afganistan, that help break the USSR (financially at least). Being the policeman for the world, just cant work any more. Let Putin try to control the world, it wont work either. We’ve lost and hurt enough of our young people, let it go. Our current president is in over his head and no good will come from his leadership…………………..getting old………..

12 The Mamba March 3, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Nope, this administration wouldn’t get involved. We’ve already seen what they do during a crisis in Libya and Syria, and it appears to be economic sanctions and bluster. Americans are all warred out at the moment, and Russia isn’t the Taliban.

13 Hessianerd March 3, 2014 at 1:21 PM

I have a close friend in Kiev who was involved in the protests. His take is this:
“The problem with Russia is that they started information war and they lying like mutherf*ckers to their own people about situation in Ukraine on mass media. Mostly because Putin is afraid to repeat the way of Yanukovych. So I have no idea what they have in their minds now.

world war 3 – I don’t think so. They are not that crazy. But they can try to repeat situation in Georgia with South Ossetia”

This was before Russia invaded Crimea, still waiting for an update. The essential fact is that Russia just invaded a sovereign nation. Period. We cannot stand by and shrug our shoulders at it.

14 Neville Chamberlain March 3, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Peace in our time!

It’s always better to wait until the agressor is much stronger before confronting them, right?

Sadly, most readers have no idea what I’m referring to.

15 Thank you Jessica March 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM

For your incisive opinion

Signed,

Mr Putin

16 Mister Wister March 3, 2014 at 1:42 PM

@#2,
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Russia signed a treaty (which they have now violated) and the U.S. and Britain are required by that treaty to defend Ukraine.

17 KJ March 3, 2014 at 1:49 PM

It is a bad situation made worse by the same neocons who got us into an unnecessary and illegitimate war in Iraq. Obama should never have allowed them to remain in positions of power.

“…neocon operatives, with financing from the U.S.-funded National Endowment for Democracy and other U.S. sources, played key roles in destabilizing and overthrowing the democratically elected president [Viktor Yanukovych].

“NED, a $100 million-a-year agency created by the Reagan administration in 1983 to promote political action and psychological warfare against targeted states, lists 65 projects that it supports financially inside Ukraine, including training activists, supporting “journalists” and promoting business groups, effectively creating a full-service structure primed and ready to destabilize a government in the name of promoting ‘democracy.’

“Last December, Nuland [Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland, the wife of prominent neocon Robert Kagan and the sister-in-law of the Gates-Petraeus adviser Frederick Kagan] reminded Ukrainian business leaders that, to help Ukraine achieve “its European aspirations, we have invested more than $5 billion.” She said the U.S. goal was to take “Ukraine into the future that it deserves,” by which she meant into the West’s orbit and away from Russia’s.

“But President Yanukovych rejected a European Union plan that would have imposed harsh austerity on the already impoverished Ukraine. He accepted a more generous $15 billion loan from Russia, which also has propped up Ukraine’s economy with discounted natural gas. Yanukovych’s decision sparked anti-Russian street protests in Kiev, located in the country’s western and more pro-European region.” http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/03/03-2

18 Lloyd March 3, 2014 at 1:54 PM
19 escapehatch March 3, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I forget what the Soviet Union did when we invaded Panama to protect our interests.

Lets see now, did they pander to every political splinter group that wanted a piece of the broken country.

Are we better off breaking these counties into smaller and smaller pieces to be run by “locals”.

And isn’t there a California proposition to split this state into sixths.

Let’s stay out of this one.

20 The Grant March 3, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Crimea has always belonged to Russia. This area is within their influence and the U.S. should not stick its nose in other countries business. In fact the US should retract, become isolationist and instead of giving money away, invest into our own infrastructure (e.g. education, poverty, military, list goes on…)

21 ConcordMike March 3, 2014 at 2:23 PM

Don’t look now, but there are probably a couple or few hundred thousand Russian immigrants in the US right now ready to fight for the Russian beliefs, or against the US beliefs. How soon we forget about the Boston Marathon bombers. Do you think they were an isolated pair? Or are there more?
Oh, and of course we are going to start reducing our troop sizes to pre-WWII limits.
I think it will be a drone against drone war if it ever escalates.

22 The Theorist March 3, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Golly! A new war just in time to make the military-industrial complex, corporations and the 1% MORE money! Comes just at the right time when there are talks about cutting the military budget…

“The Ukraine crisis comes just as Mr. Obama this week planned to unveil a budget plan that calls for cutting the size of the U.S. Army and for other reductions to address congressionally mandated cuts.”
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304585004579415490010665638

23 Subterfuge March 3, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Looks like the US is playing its cards just right. Russia is financially very vulnerable to outside fiscal influences. I suspect this should clear up in a couple of weeks unless Russia is bent on a path to fiscal suicide.

24 Peace Keepers March 3, 2014 at 3:05 PM

@#8 I’ll have whatever she’s smoking please.

We will not be going to war. It’s all posturing. Go back to YouTubing the Oscar performances. Since when has a treaty, or promise, meant anything in politics.

25 Mister Wister March 3, 2014 at 3:25 PM

@#20, Crimea has NOT always “belonged” to Russia.

26 Kevin March 3, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I’m not really worried about. I hope we don’t go to war.

27 V.Putin March 3, 2014 at 3:42 PM

we’re putting the band back together.

28 Tsarnov March 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Lloyd is right about that treaty. It’s the Budapest memorandum and Russia is totally in violation of it. Of course, that doesn’t mean anyone’s going to do anything about. Treaties have been violated plenty of times in the past, nobody did anything until it was way too late (WWII case in point).

29 PO'd March 3, 2014 at 3:49 PM

I would expect that any action we take will be economic in nature-no forces will be used. It appears that Putin was poised for this situation and frankly doesn’t care too much about world opinion. Russia wants a warm water port,wants to secure the oil in that region, and will use ethnicity as an excuse to take territory. Who will stop him from taking Crimea? US? No. NATO? No.EU? No. I would expect this “civil war” to lead to a divided state with cold war sentiments.

It will affect Germany greatly, it will cause any efforts in Syria to evaporate, and may embolden Iran. Ultimately, it will hurt Russia, but it won’t stop them. They want East Ukraine to be a loyal ally, if not part of Russia.This is so reminiscent of Hitler taking Austria in 1938-ethnicity was used in exactly the same manner.

It will affect all of us with higher oil costs-barrell is $102 right now, almost certain to rise. That’s about it.

30 Steve Ukrainian March 3, 2014 at 3:58 PM

I am an Immigrant from Ukraine and my Mom is still living there, the things there are so scary, especially now when Russia has ALREADY started the war. It is happening that nor EU nor US able to protect Ukraine now. The question is who will be next piece of pie for Putin?
watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvds2AIiWLA
and think why Putin’s military is on its way to made Ukraine part of Russia…

31 ClayDen March 3, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Putin is still a KGB thug and is showing his true colors. The current occupant of the White House is even weaker than Jimmy Carter, and Putin knows this, so he will do whatever he wants with impunity. Putin likely views this as the first step toward the “good old days” of the Soviet Union.

Peace through strength is a concept totally foreign to the current administration. Where is the next Reagan? I hope we find him or her in 2016.

32 Walnut Creek Resident March 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM

It is part of the on going cold war. Lots of politics. Our hands are tied. Oil and natural gas and the area where Putin is has Russia very involved due to the port on the Black Sea. We can say to them “shame on you”. That is all we can do. It is very bad for the people of Ukraine and Romania and the other neighboring countries and the entire world.

33 Strategy & Tactics 102 March 3, 2014 at 4:24 PM

As far as the folks in Kiev and the rest of greater Ukraine, they likely have a better understanding of the military picture and how to use an army than anyone in Russia.

Russia has third rate equipment. Russia has a lowest common denominator training program for it’s soldiers. Ukraine has the moral wherewithal to give Russia a big black eye AND remain in the fight to the finish; Russia can give a sucker punch but has nothing in the way of any logistic base to provide for “staying power”, *even with their close proximity*.

Russia has a large military without the means for it’s maintanence and upkeep. It is a big cardboard bear. The Ukraine knows this and will have no real problem embarrasing the overrated Russian military, should it come to that.

34 Strategy & Tactics 102 March 3, 2014 at 4:29 PM

The Russian bear is a cardboard bear. It cannot sustain a campaign of more than a week or so. The Russians also have a third rate military with third rate equipment.

Ukraine will have no problem winning this, should it come to blows.

35 Strategy & Tactics 102 March 3, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Ignore my second post as I thought the first one didn’t get uploaded. Sorry.

36 Vizzini March 3, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Never get involved in a land war in Asia. (or Asia minor)

37 guy fawkes March 3, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Politicians and The State love war, even thought they pretend they don’t. So do their corporate puppet masters such as the main stream media, banking, defense industry, etc. Democrats and Republicans are the same, it’s just an illusion of choice to distract the masses from the real battle, The State vs. the individual. The military is just paid killers doing the bidding of politicians, they’re not protecting us, another smoke screen. The Trillion $+ that is stolen from the productive economy and spent on the military is why America is swirling down the toilet.

Right wingers are more hypocritical than lefties. They claim to hate socialism when it comes to the welfare state. But they worship it when it comes to the biggest socialist programs: the military and the police. They claim to dislike government when it is bossing us around but they worship it when it is in it’s pure form of violence.

38 Rob March 3, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Ukraine sure doesn’t look like a problem that the US has to get involved with any further than applying perhaps economic pressure against Russia but the Russia and the EU are close economically now days and the EU isn’t going to cut off their supply of natural gas over Ukraine.

39 funny man March 3, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Not worried, Palin ‘016!!!!
she got plenty of experience wit da russkys … i mean she can see them from her house and all

40 Red Headed Left Handed Inuit March 3, 2014 at 6:15 PM

Who cares if the Russians kill the Ukrainians and the Ukrainians kill the Russians. As long as Americans stay out of the war and we do nothing, let them kill each other. That is what we should have done in Afghanistan, Iraq. Panama, Grenada, Viet Nam, Haiti and South Korea.

41 Suzanne March 3, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Let’s hope there’s no world war, but we have to hear the wind blow.

42 Killjoy March 3, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Putin is playing chess, and Obama is playing marbles. They are in completely different leagues.

43 dilligafman March 3, 2014 at 7:33 PM

OH S%#T!-HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!

44 Claycordian March 3, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Didn’t it become a war when Russia invaded Ukraine? The question seems pretty redundant.

45 Wibly March 3, 2014 at 7:44 PM

It’s only a matter of trust…who will fold and why. Let Russia and Ukraine do their worst, and let’s not give them fuel. I think most have said this all along; they have to look at their backs before they can really progress.

46 ClayDen March 3, 2014 at 8:20 PM

@Killjoy 42

Exactly. It’s amateur hour in Washington.

47 Atticus Thraxx March 3, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Crimea river. We got our own problems. Let EU/UN deal with it.

48 Ted K., SuperMax March 3, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Here comes the rise in oil prices… that’s one price of non-involvement in this geopolitical issue.

Putin is the winner already. There is no reason for him to pull out if Ukraine because Obama is clueless on what to do. He’s flipping Obama the bird… In fact, I would too.

49 Amy March 3, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Are we going to bail out Ukraine next?

50 et-al March 3, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Hey funny man, #39, when was that she said that?

51 VikingPrincess March 3, 2014 at 10:00 PM

I say we should infiltrate with a group of our best hackers with unlimited resources to troll as they might. Then flood their children with Russian Caravan tea, espresso and lots of kittens. Then sit back and let the chips fall as they may..

52 Ricardo March 3, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Is there any country left in the world that we have not gone to war with or against? When will we begin to stop being the world’s police? We are bankrupt, our infrastructure is crumbling, our people are hungry, illiterate and unemployed and yet we have to go off and rescue the world. I will vote for the first politician who, after another one of these fiascos, says, “Not our problem.” If you want to demonstrate for your foreign cause, to get media attention, get on a plane and go home to demonstrate, vote or revolt.

53 Noflow March 3, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Two words:
1. Czechoslovakia
2. Hitler

54 Suzanne March 4, 2014 at 12:11 AM

Yep, no flow–already been done.

55 Cat Wrangler March 4, 2014 at 12:48 AM

Seth Myers on Late Night just said, ” A survey found that 64% of American students still could not find Ukraine on a map. Said Vladimir Putin, ‘And soon nobody will.”

56 Cat Wrangler March 4, 2014 at 1:01 AM

I fear there is a lot of truth in that jest.

57 JRConcord March 4, 2014 at 5:41 AM

I say we invade Mexico in retaliation. Who could stop us?

58 Sonia March 6, 2014 at 8:03 PM

“New heroes of Ukraine” America has better way to spend our money.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fed_1394054343#AqVShw5xsuQAp6aU.99
Crimean people doesn’t want to be part of that nightmare.

59 Dr. Jellyfinger® March 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Viking Princess you just got my vote. Run for something.

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