The Water Cooler – A Permit to Carry a Gun – Would You Get One?

February 18, 2014 12:00 pm · 188 comments

The “Water Cooler” is a feature on where we ask you a question or provide a topic, and you talk about it!

The “Water Cooler” will be up Monday-Friday at noon!

Today’s question:

If you were able to get a concealed carry weapons permit (a permit to carry a gun) in Contra Costa County, would you get one?

Talk about it….

Jose February 18, 2014 at 12:01 PM

Yes, absolutely.

Enfield303 February 18, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Boy Howdy!

Yep February 18, 2014 at 12:06 PM

first in line. Would I carry? Probably not, but I’d want the permit to do so if I ever felt the need.

the other jj February 18, 2014 at 12:10 PM

yes,,it would be nice to be legal!!

Anderson February 18, 2014 at 12:14 PM

A carjacking occurred recently near where I live (and reported here) so yeah, I would want one. It seems a moral imperative for us to empower our own adequate defense, given the inability of “central authority” (police) to in effect protect us from domestic enemies.

Dave February 18, 2014 at 12:17 PM

In a word, no.

Donna February 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM

I would not get a permit. It would be more than likely that it would be used against me. I don’t feel threatened. I don’t need macho power. I don’t want to kill anyone. There are too many kids dying from goofballs with guns who feel threatened. Give me a break. If you must have one, keep it at home. When I see a person with a gun, I feel threatened. That is not how it should be. The only ones making money are the gun manufacturers and of course, the NRA. Join the armed forces if you feel you need to carry. You will get paid for doing so, and you will be protecting our country and leaving us alone.

Mr. Pink February 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Sure, why not? Probably wouldn’t carry everyday, but it would be nice to have the option if I felt so inclined.

Ken Walker February 18, 2014 at 12:19 PM

I would, but as we know, the Sheriff of this county only doles them out to a select few. Obviously, there are some that need a permit more than others, but a law abiding citizen of Claycord should have the ability to protect his/her family from the random nutzo who is hell-bent on doing them harm!

Law Abiding Citizen February 18, 2014 at 12:25 PM

In a heart-beat.
The police have no legal requirement to actually protect you.
Not to mention that even if they did. They can’t be everywhere.
Case in point, the carjacking last night. Although if the person didn’t feel their life was in danger (even at gunpoint) they have no cause to extract their weapon. But that punk kid might have had second thoughts before pulling a gun on someone.

Concord74 February 18, 2014 at 12:26 PM


Liberty and justice for all...... February 18, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Absolutely. But only after thorough training at Front Sight.

unknown February 18, 2014 at 12:27 PM


mee February 18, 2014 at 12:30 PM

I would get one but would not carry except in an extreme situation I felt I needed to protect my self and family. Like after a large earthquake etc. But short of that and a few other possibilities, a real threat on my life maybe… I would never carry a gun. I have worked in some of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the country and carried cash, and felt a gun would have been more a liability then an asset. But if you do get one, be sure you keep a cool head and know how and when to use it. Or Don’t get one. In fact , don’t even own a gun.

Blue Fan February 18, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Yes. A few years ago I might not have thought much about it, after the murders in N. Concord the last few years I’d definitely feel more comfortable taking walks in the dark again. You’re on your own if someone decides you’re meat for their table. The police try to find the perps, they just get put back anyway with our revolving door everybody’s got a bleeding heart “justice” system. Who cares about victims?: nobody. Take care of yourself, nobody else will.

Why Would I Need a Gun? February 18, 2014 at 12:35 PM

If you live in a safe neighborhood, and lead a responsible and stable life, you don’t need a gun!

For those of you that don’t live in a safe neighborhood, get an education and move out!

Molto February 18, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Absolutely. And with Califronia now becoming a “Shall Carry” state its looking like a great possibility to be able to do so. Your beliefs change once you’ve been a victim of crime and had a bunch of fools put a gun to your head. With more people responsibly carrying maybe it would make these guys who think its the wild west think twice about jacking someone up.

Diablo February 18, 2014 at 12:42 PM

Yes I would, don’t know how often I would carry but I believe in having that choice.

anonymous February 18, 2014 at 12:47 PM

When would you pull the the gun out?

When would you fire the gun?

Sandra February 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Carrying a gun changes who you are. Ask George Zimmerman…..

The Mamba February 18, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Probably not, but it would be nice to have the option. If you’ve ever been stalked or had to terminate an employee that didn’t take it well, you probably know what I mean. I had a dispute with a shady contractor last year who threatened my wife, and it was really stressful for a while.

anon February 18, 2014 at 12:50 PM

I am definitely getting one. With all the refuse from Oakland drifting our way, someone has to put ’em down.

Dorothy February 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM


What security February 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Yes, but only when they have loose stand your ground laws like in the south
then I would watch a bunch of Charles Bronson movies LOL
I always carry my pepper spray, Knife and batton, now my gun you never know who you will run into at Starbucks

What security February 18, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Actually I’d dust off my boots and ten gallon hat and put the Good, Bad and Ugly sound track on my Ipod as I go into the worst part of the City and wait for an idoit to bother me then I can claim self defense.

NO to open carry guns a are not the answer!!!

Double A February 18, 2014 at 12:59 PM

You betcha. I agree with the federal courts. It’s my 2nd amendment right and I’m not a felon. I think I should be able to protect my family if need be.

Ted K., SuperMax February 18, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Already do.

Change Your Mentality February 18, 2014 at 1:01 PM

A guy I once worked with said it best. “I’ll never own a gun. I might use it.”

Think about it……

dilligafman February 18, 2014 at 1:03 PM


Cal February 18, 2014 at 1:04 PM

Already have 3 (Utah, Oregon and Nevada), so yes I would get one but would not carry very often.

EdiBirsan February 18, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Depends on the Zombie Apocalypse start date.

Might February 18, 2014 at 1:08 PM

I might get one with or without right to carry concealed. The concealed part wouldn’t have anything to do with my getting one.

WTF? February 18, 2014 at 1:12 PM

You betcha. Of course I wouldn’t tell anyone I was carrying, nor would I produce my weapon unless it were a life or death situation but I definitely believe it’s my right to do so.

Just Another Concord Resident February 18, 2014 at 1:12 PM

Absolutely yes. Unfortunately that possibility is unlikely in my lifetime in this county. My safety and the safety of my family is my responsibility, never has been the responsibility of law enforcement. Besides, there can never be enough police around statistically to do the job they are supposed to do, much less extend that job to protect me. So, carry one and practice more than the bad guys. The book “More Guns, Less Crime” was a wonderful treatise about how polite a society can get if we wonder who might have a gun.

Mike February 18, 2014 at 1:14 PM

I haven’t decided yet.

For those that are “scared” by this concept, let me point out that “bad guys” could care less. They are already carrying guns (more than you realize), most haven’t been trained, and have rather low moral/ethical standards.
CC permits requires multiple days of classes/training (& proof that the person is not a “bad guy”).
However this situation (changes in the laws) pans out, if more people “could” be CCW-ers, I’m sure it will criminals pause, or possibly will make them re-think their actions.
On a side note, years ago I was a victim of an unprovoked violent crime (mugged)….. There were no fire arms involved, but I was severely beaten (with a skateboard, fists, & kicks & a knife pulled) during a mugging.
I can’t change happened to me (and I don’t think I would put a gun in my hand back then even if I could), but if I were to have a CCW now, & a similar situation arose requiring me to defend myself, I’m sure there would be a different outcome.

Coco February 18, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Use a gun go to jail. Aren’t our jails full of people that have used guns. Start making more prisons for the mucho macho’s who think they are in the wild wild west.

just a concordian February 18, 2014 at 1:17 PM

Yea lets all have guns. Arguments at the grocery store line might get quite colorful. Well, maybe just one color… red.

BusBoy February 18, 2014 at 1:27 PM


Lucy February 18, 2014 at 1:27 PM

I would in a heart beat. Now I may not carry it around with me all the time, but I would. I Already own 2, but might need to get one a bit “smaller” to fit into my purse…….

Suburban Dad February 18, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Yes I would, I should have the legal right to protect myself and I have a responsibility to protect my family.

Glenn February 18, 2014 at 1:36 PM


anonymous February 18, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Just one more thing for police to worry about with more concealed guns on the street. More people going to school sports with guns, to the malls, amusement parks or to the beach. I wouldn’t feel to safe. Should be stiff fines for anybody drinking and having a concealed weapon.

Miss Chatty February 18, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Yes, I would! I’m in the process of learning to shoot different types of guns at the range. With this state being as liberal as it is, I highly doubt it will ever become an option to carry. It it does, I would apply for sure.

I am the victim of a violent mugging many years ago, and believe me it is something you never forget, With the release of so many prisoners back into our communities, things are not as safe as you might think.

I’m prepared.

Don February 18, 2014 at 1:42 PM


Jose February 18, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Some of you folks crack me up. Even if California becomes “Shall-Issue”, I will still respect your right and your desire NOT to apply for a permit or carry a gun.

But don’t make up silly scenarios about simple arguments turning into old west shootouts and stuff like that, because the majority of the states already allow citizens to carry weapons and those things haven’t happened. In fact, you can count the stories in the news about legally-carrying people doing bad things on one hand.

Statistically, CCW permit holders are among the best-behaved of all groups. And before someone mentions George Zimmerman as an example, remember that he was found not guilty.

RIII February 18, 2014 at 1:52 PM

The criminals in our community already carry and evidently they feel quite comfortable that the law abiding members of our community don’t carry. Perhaps there is something wrong with that picture. Consider some clown who decides to attempt to rob you, take your car or mug you or a member of your family and all you can do is say to yourself, “I wish I was armed right now!” I have the right to defend myself while on my property but I give that up when I leave my property. I do not believe that was ever the intent of the Second Amendment. Yes, I would like the option to defend myself legally.

GET REAL! February 18, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Yea, lets just put guns into the hands of everyone. Two people on a first date. If it doesn’t work out, just shoot the guy, and you won’t have to worry about him not calling.

Guns for everybody, and everybody in prison. Why didn’t I think of that?


CCW-Yes February 18, 2014 at 2:01 PM

YES – even if I decided not to carry one.

As in other states where “shall issue” has been adopted, the increase in the number of CCW’s issued has had a corresponding drop in crime.

I’d like to see crime drop in Contra Costa.

BusBoy February 18, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Nice to also see some CalGun people here!

@ Jose #46… Better to have said… remember GZ was a VICTIM and found Not Guilty.

funny man February 18, 2014 at 2:05 PM

rofl…wat a bunch of nervous nellies.
shootouts in the grocery line?? if someone was that volitile(sp?) they r gunna have a past criminal record cuz people like that cant keep their mouths shut let alone out of fist fights.

Anon February 18, 2014 at 2:09 PM

CCW will never happen in Contra Costa County. If you are really worried carry one without a permit. The permit won’t protect you but the gun will.

Clayton Valley Grad February 18, 2014 at 2:11 PM

I’m not paranoid. I don’t need a gun, but I respect the rights of others to carry.

Daniel February 18, 2014 at 2:11 PM

definitely. make what i am doing now legal. i just feel more comfortable walking around Hillcrest park carrying. also, i have probably been sitting next to some of you in the movies or at restaurants and you would never know i had a gun on me.

whatever floats your boat February 18, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Heck yah! These days, the laws are designed to protect the criminals. If someone is in my house with the intent to harm and/or steal, they had better have a gun and/or an axe bigger than mine! To put it simply…they would have a hard time after I finish with them.

Nick February 18, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Absolutely yes, after being robbed at gunpoint a few years back behind where the bowling alley is. If the restrictions are relaxed due to the recent court case I would definitely get one within the week.

Gee February 18, 2014 at 2:26 PM

Already have mine. Easy as 1-2-3.

nytemuvr February 18, 2014 at 2:28 PM

A few folks sound like they’ve never been outside of California….it’ll be nice to carry legally and have a smoke in a bar if I wanted. It puts criminals and law abiding citizens on the same playing field. Biding my time to leave my native state and live in a non-nanny state with no or lower taxes and open carry laws.

Gunner February 18, 2014 at 2:30 PM

The only permit I need is written in my Constitution. Criminals don’t apply for a permit and neither will I. I always have my gun when and if I feel the need. I’d rather be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6.

Judge Roy Bean February 18, 2014 at 2:35 PM


zeroc00l February 18, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Yup. Had a CCW permit in IN. Would do it here.

Idiocracy February 18, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Yes, We live in a strange time when doing the right thing like actually working for a living is becoming abnormal. Add the fact that the Police take at least 5 to 15 minutes to arrive. Having a right to protect myself and my loved ones is a no Brainer. I say we recall the current Sheriff who’s been with holding our 2nd Amendment right by not issuing CCW’s and prosecute him on treason.

Libby Rahl February 18, 2014 at 2:52 PM

No! I will never be in a situation where I could be threatened with violence. I will never need a gun to protect myself, or anybody else, ever!. My house will never be broken into. I will never be assaulted while jogging, hiking or even walking through a parking lot at any hour of the day or night. Nobody ever “needs” a gun. Nothing bad will ever happen. You’re all a bunch of Scaredy Cats. Whoops! I almost forgot why I got online, got to pay my Allstate Insurance bill.

VikingPrincess February 18, 2014 at 2:52 PM

In the world we live in now I can only think of two reasons to carry a concealed weapon. One – camping in wilderness. Two- if I went to a dangerous situation where I felt I needed to be ready to kill someone. I only can recall number two once in my lifetime. I respect firearms and only use them for what they were intended for.
A few comments about carjacking here? This area is currently not big on that crime. If a person is crazy enough to value your car over your life, imagine what they might do if you have a gun. Not all jackings end in death. My car is not worth killing even a nasty genetically messed up car jacker. I value life.

I don’t think I live in an area where being on high radar would make sense. After a year or two of carrying with nothing, a person might get a bit slack and start leaving it home 😉

If the area changed to where I thought I might move. If the world changed where I needed to carry to get around? I don’t think a permit would be needed. Everyone would carry.

VikingPrincess February 18, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Regarding my respect for firearms. If I felt the need to point a gun at someone it would be the last thing they see. I might mame – but why?
Should only be last resort and feel 100% justified. So carrying one for me, I’m this life and world makes no sense unless I spent more time in numbers one through two

mutts February 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Of course

VikingPrincess February 18, 2014 at 3:06 PM

@Libby rahl
Was under the impression the question was about carrying a concealed weapon…not ownership or protection of property.

Whole different ball game. Someone bold enough to create a life threatening situation in my property? Sorry, the flood gates are open and anything goes.

But that wasn’t the question, right?

eyewhen February 18, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Hell to the Yeah

Dr. Jellyfinger® February 18, 2014 at 3:09 PM

@Viking Princess- I guess I have a nicer car than you do!

Jess February 18, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Absolutely not. I have no desire to kill anyone. Never at any time in my life have I been in a situation where I’ve needed a gun to protect myself or anyone else. I’ve thought about getting some pepper spray, but haven’t gotten around to doing it.

One time I was walking alone at night and two guys with dark hoodies and sagging pants came up to me out of nowhere and one of them had something in his hand. That got my heart racing. I thought for sure I was going to get mugged. Turns out they’d seen me drop one of my gloves and were returning it to me. Very polite. They called me “ma’am”.

Realistically speaking, even if I did have a gun, chances are the bad guys are going to end up taking it from me. They’ll have the element of surprise. They’re most likely younger and stronger. Even if I do have the chance to pull out my gun, chances are I’ll hesitate because I don’t want to make a mistake and kill someone who’s just trying to return a glove. In my heart, I don’t want to kill anyone.

Anon2you February 18, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Hell yes I would…

@Sandra #21 – Yes carrying a gun does change who you are…You are no longer a potential Victim!!!

Atticus Thraxx February 18, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Like most things do, reminds me of a joke:
A man gets pulled over by a cop. The cops asks for his ID and proof of insurance…

The man hands him the proper paperwork plus his CCW.

The cop says “I see youre a CCW holder, do you have it on you?”

The guy replies “I have a .357 IWB.”

“Anything else”, the cop asks…

“Yes, I have a G27 on my ankle, a 1911 in the glove box, a shotgun in the backseat and an AR-15 in the trunk.”

The cop asks “Sir, what are you afraid of?”

The man replies “Absolutely nothing.”

mwo1859 February 18, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Yes I would. I know several people (friends) that carry them in concord. Sometimes legal or not they are trying to save there lives. When I visit from florida I carry. Times have changed. Antioch is now worse than pittsburg. WTF. Concord is getting the same way. I have my concealed license here in florida but rarely carry mine. But when I visit my mom in the state streets I carry.

mwo1859 February 18, 2014 at 3:38 PM

#7 donna you are an idiot (sorry for the life you live) Moms number 1 rule is to protect your kids.

Futurama February 18, 2014 at 3:39 PM

No, but I support those who would.

Law-Abiding Walnut Creek Guy February 18, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Absolutely. Just as many well informed people have stated on here: Criminals don’t follow the law already. Why should we disarm citizens to make it easier for the criminals?
-Police response times are getting longer and longer
-You have to go through a rigorous course to prove you know what you are doing
-You already need a hand-gun license to even buy one legally which shows you aren’t mentally inept.

KJ February 18, 2014 at 3:44 PM

I cannot imagine trying to live with the knowledge that I had shot someone, or worse, killed someone. So, no, I have no interest in having a gun.

EAST BAY VELO WORKS February 18, 2014 at 3:49 PM

For sure! Right bare arms.

MDUSD Grad February 18, 2014 at 3:56 PM

It’s funny how many people are saying they wouldn’t get a permit because they don’t want to kill anyone. As if getting a permit means you’re going to shoot someone to death sooner or later. It’s not a permit to murder people, you lunatics. It’s a permit to carry a weapon outside your house.

Donna (#7) is way out there. It’s more likely that the permit will be used against you? For what? A papercut? The gun companies get $$ from gun sales, but guess what – the NRA doesn’t! I’ve got a few guns and give no money to the NRA. Bet you didn’t know people like me existed, huh?

KAD February 18, 2014 at 4:03 PM

No, I would not. I think they are too dangerous. But, everyone I know in Nashville is packing. It shocked me to learn that.

In a February 18, 2014 at 4:12 PM


Pied February 18, 2014 at 4:18 PM

I have conflicting thoughts about this. Half of me knows that more guns is not the answer. The other half wants to conceal carry just in case I could stop a crime in progress or protect myself or my family on the remote chance that we were assaulted.
I’m actually more concerned about protecting myself from our Government than from a random criminal, but I doubt a well concealed 9mm would be much protection against THAT entity.

anon February 18, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Probably would have to with all the wackos like Jeff and his buddies getting them.

Father Flannigan February 18, 2014 at 4:23 PM

NO! because I would never kill my fellow man.
Most people do it to feel powerful, but they really look like scaredy cats.

Yes Sir February 18, 2014 at 4:28 PM

You really need one these days with all the scumbags coming to Concord to do their crimes.

It really sucks that the Democrats are trying to take away Guns from law abiding citizens that need them to protect themselves.

It they succeed only criminals will have guns, Time for real change.

Vote Out All Democrats in 2014.

Clayton Valley Grad February 18, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Carrying a gun will make you more paranoid than you were before you were so paranoid that you felt you needed a gun.

Ask anyone who sleeps with a gun under their pillow. What a great nights sleep.

Mark February 18, 2014 at 4:33 PM

George Zimmerman was getting his head beat into the ground by Trayvon if he did not have a gun he could have been killed. You never know when you might need to protect yourself from thugs like that. Yes I would carry one if I had a permit.

Pleasant Hill Resident I February 18, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Yes, I would definitely get one. While I would not feel the need to bring my gun with me everywhere, I would like to have the option.

For example, I would feel much more comfortable walking through the dark, relatively empty parking garage at work in the city if I know in advance that I’ll be working a 16 hour work day and one of the last people out of the office.

The idea that people are just going to start shooting each other in the streets is absolutely ridiculous. Also, a concealed firearm is not something you go waving around saying “hey guys, come attack me, I dare you! I’ll shoot ya if you do!” No. It will not magically start attracting criminals who want to steal a potentially hidden gun. Odds are, you would have no idea that the law-abiding, gun-knowledgable citizen next to you had a firearm on their person.

The point is that the gun would serve as a strong deterrent for someone who is actively trying to commit a crime against you and, as a last resort, a means to stop that crime.

@Clayton Valley Grad February 18, 2014 at 4:44 PM

I sleep with a gun on my nightstand every night. I carry a pistol lawfully every day. I sleep soundly at night, and travel peacefully daily. An inanimate object does not instill paranoia, perhaps that’s a projection of yours.

I hope I am never forced by someone else to have to use a firearm in defense of myself or another, but I will not be so naive to believe that just because I am peaceful others will not bring violence upon me.

I’m a proponent of giving law abiding citizens the choice to be equipped to protect themselves and their own against the evildoers who travel freely to any neighborhood, no matter how “good” and “safe” the residents believe them to be.

PH Dad February 18, 2014 at 4:50 PM

@ Gee. Is it $1k, $2K, or $3k that you donated to get on the Sheriff’s posse?

I definitely would obtain a CCW permit after I went to a good 2-day training course at either Thunder Ranch, Gun Site, or Front Sight. I’m a bit rusty and if I’m going to carry in public, then I want to be as well trained as I can be on both tactics and the law. That is what being a responsible gun owner is about.
While I’m out getting my CCW training, I’d probably tack on an extra 5 days of tactical carbine work for when the fecal matter really hits the rotary oscillator…

It's not about power, paranoia or February 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM

any of the other mainstream fantasies.

Its about the 2nd amendment. The law of the land.

Take laws away, take freedoms away, free men will fight back and take them back.

Whatthe February 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Really? This is a problem! If one is living in an area that they truly perceive as being a threat to their (or their family’s) well being…then MOVE AWAY! Why would anyone WANT to live that way? 99.99% percent of us in the US go through life never NEEDING a gun (of any sort), so why do we feel the NEED to have them? Stop buying in to the FEAR system that has been so profitable for the gun manufacturers and the NRA…not to mention our fear mongering leaders who want us all to be afraid of and not trust any other part of the world. God forbid we become more like Canada…sensible!

Sharon Tate February 18, 2014 at 5:18 PM

I did not believe in owning a Gun.

Sandra February 18, 2014 at 5:22 PM

#89, With the gun by your nightstand. What the heck kind of neighborhood do you live in?

My guess would be he gutter. The truth hurts.

Dave February 18, 2014 at 5:31 PM

No desire to own a gun. Live and work in a very nice area. Nobody I know owns one. Nobody I know has ever been victimized. If people were more aware of their surroundings, and thought twice about their actions, as well as keeping their mouth shut, etc, etc., etc.

I think I’ve made my point.

et-al February 18, 2014 at 5:38 PM

A free man does not need permission to own a gun.

Anon February 18, 2014 at 5:47 PM


Kirk February 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM

Where I grew up you no longer need a permit just a valid drivers license. I love mentioning shooting at my wife’s business parties. All the libs loose their high and go straight to vodka.

As for “paranoia” it’s no worse than carrying a Swiss Army knife in case you have to tighten a screw. It’s a tool like anything else.

People just are not used to taking care of themselves anymore. Perhaps you’ve noticed that whenever someone gets victimized and then publicized by the mayor there is always someone that comments that “there is more to the story, they must have been buying drugs.” Suggesting that they deserved it. Well bad things happen all the time to very nice people.

I always think people should die in a way that seems best to them, I’ll die fighting.

Anonymous February 18, 2014 at 5:58 PM

All a gun does is give you the option of not being a victim. Anyone who doesn’t care about that should not own one.

Beacon February 18, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Probably. Doesn’t mean I have to carry a gun. Just means I won’t be arrested if I choose to carry.

I do predict there will be much more shooting-related content on this blog when the CCW in enacted.

N.C.Biker February 18, 2014 at 6:30 PM

The car jacking(?), if that’s what it was, is a scenario
in which the car-jacker got the drop on his victim. Having
a weapon means you had a couple of options.
Get out of your car, he gets in and you blast away
as he leaves, you try to out draw a person that has
already drawn his, or you let him drive away and you
call the police.I think the latter would be the smartest.
Case in point is the Gabby Gifford shooting.
Arizona has some pretty liberal gun laws, yet as the
gunman began shooting, no one fired back, no one
around her was armed.She should have had armed security.
So as a gun owner and gun rights advocate, I
personally see no reason to be carrying a concealed
firearm as a private citizen.
Chew on that and then spit some back.

Jose February 18, 2014 at 6:32 PM


Why don’t you give us your address and we’ll all move in with you, where it’s safe?

I have a true story for you. I have used a gun one time to defend my neighbor who was getting the crap beaten out of him by two guys with bats. I didn’t fire a shot. They ran when they saw the gun, but they were later apprehended. I was living in a million dollar home in Danville at the time.

You think crime only happens in “bad” neighborhoods? Even if it did, do you think everybody can afford to move to Alamo or Orinda? Your idea that everybody should move to some magical place where crime doesn’t happen is nothing short of idiotic.

Once again, if you don’t want to own or carry a gun, that’s your right and I can respect it. So can all the gun owners I know. Maybe you could afford us the same courtesy?

Cherry February 18, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Besides having to register all your guns, I’m sure your insurance company is going to love their policy holders who CCW.

Thump February 18, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Just don’t shoot at and injure an innocent bystander, you could be charged and probably sued for your action.

et-al February 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Despite Leftist Hand-wringing, Bicycles Are More Dangerous to Kids Than Guns –
Liberals are still wailing about the “danger” our kids face in schools due to guns in the classroom and mass shootings. But even as Bloomberg’s absurd anti-gun group and others act as if we have some national crisis, the reality of it is that bicycles hurt more kids every year than guns.

judaspriest February 18, 2014 at 6:57 PM

i have one dca bsis exposed weapon permit

Dr. Jellyfinger® February 18, 2014 at 7:00 PM

I think all the pamby’s posting here should just carry a concealed weapon anyway, so that if they are threatened with death they could simply commit suicide before they are murdered.

P. H. Mom February 18, 2014 at 7:19 PM

Already a licensed firearm owner, most definitely yes. And, yes a survivor of a brutal attack, beaten & gang raped. The memory never leaves…I will die fighting if there is ever a next time.

James February 18, 2014 at 7:25 PM

@ Jose—-#102

I read in a previous post that you’re a former truck driver.

Truck drivers don’t live in million dollar homes in Danville. GET REAL. I can add you to the list of people who are “lying to compensate” on Claycord. If you’re trying to impress people, you’re failing.

We live in PH by the way. Get some self esteem, and learn to be honest with yourself, as well as others. You’ll be more likeable.

I believe Cassandra lives in Alamo and Danielle lives in Orinda. You can tell by the way they carry themselves (classy), especially Cassandra.

For the rest of you “wanna-be rich folks.” You’re not fooling anybody but yourself. Pretending to be affluent doesn’t cut it on pay day. Your bank account is what it is.

Animal lover February 18, 2014 at 7:32 PM

yes I would

Gunslinger February 18, 2014 at 8:12 PM

The Cardinal Rule of Weaponry:

MASTER your weapon, lest you be killed with it.

Jose February 18, 2014 at 8:27 PM


Every word I’ve ever said here is true. You don’t know me or my story, so kindly STFU. I grew up in Danville, went to school there, raised my kids there, and only recently moved to Concord when my financial situation changed.

I really don’t care what you think. I don’t expect you to be impressed. But don’t call me a liar.

Middle of the Road February 18, 2014 at 8:28 PM

If you want to own a gun, own one. If you don’t want to carry, then don’t. It’s pretty elementary.

Anon February 18, 2014 at 8:31 PM

@112 and don’t go looking for trouble

Middle of the Road February 18, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Jose, I don’t know you either. But I agree…..truck drivers don’t live in million dollar homes in Danville. Are you related to Jennifer Lopez too?

Jose is from Pittsburg or Antioch.

JWWest February 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Maybe yes, maybe no. I like the idea of the other party not knowing, maybe they feel lucky. Right now they know there is a 99.99% chance you ARE NOT carrying unless your a criminal.

Concord cares February 18, 2014 at 9:21 PM

You bet !!!

Whatthe February 18, 2014 at 9:24 PM


I’m so sorry that you are such an angry, scared, victimized individual that needs to hide behind a gun. Little man, big gun (Zimmerman leaps to mind).

I never mentioned that one has to live in Alamo or Orinda to be safe, I did mention that living in fear is not living! It’s too bad that you equate money with safety, typical classist pig! But then again you equate guns with safety too. I did say that if you are living somewhere that you need a gun to protect you and your family then you should move because the vast majority of all US locales do not require a gun! If what you say is true about the use of a gun, you are in fact in the fraction of one percenter’s that have EVER needed a gun.

Huh? February 18, 2014 at 9:35 PM

I choose not to own a gun, but even if I owned one. If someone pulls a gun on me, and I “go for my gun”, he’ll shoot me to keep from being shot.

If I don’t own a gun, he may or may not shoot me. He’ll just take my car or wallet.

My chances of “not being shot” are better if I don’t own one. It’s not like I’d walk around pointing it at everyone.

I’ve NEVER felt I’ve needed one. Use good judgment, and unless you live in a bad neighborhood. If you live in a bad neighborhood, MOVE OUT!

@whatthe February 18, 2014 at 9:59 PM

Very good what the . Just assume criminals only operate in less then affluent areas. Hope you don’t get big surprised.No place “requires a gun” and if you want to play the odds thats Darwin at it’s finest.

Don't Be So Judgmental February 18, 2014 at 10:09 PM

I believe Jose lived in Danville in a million dollar home. Banks are more than willing to give Jumbo Loans to Hispanic truck drivers. It happens every day.

Okay Jose…..whatever you say.

Looking forward to stock market tips. If you’d post them on the “Talk about Whatever” thread, I’d really appreciate it.

BusBoy February 18, 2014 at 10:09 PM

@Whatthe #118

You might want to recheck your stats… the VAST MAJORITY of US States allow carry… Wait Ill check for you… 40! 40 States are SHALL CARRY STATES.

So while you say they dont “require” a gun most states allow for them. WTF does that mean anyway… no state requires you to have a gun?!

Id rather be a living one percenter than a dead one. Call me silly.

Your statement about living in fear… ” living in fear is not living! ” Well I can easily turn that around… sorry you are fearful of an inanimate object thats truly a sorry way to live.

LoRetTAH81 February 18, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Having a CCW permit dosen’t necessarily mean that I WOULD carry- anymore than not having one means I WON’T….

@Sandra #94 February 18, 2014 at 10:16 PM

I live in a safe neighborhood. Your insults do not change the truth, they just reflect your poor character. Cheers.

Dennis February 18, 2014 at 10:19 PM

I find it odd that some people have the attitude “afraid here? move somewhere safe”. Sounds like you are part of a herd of sheep. If Crips or Bloods or MS-13 shows up in my town, should we all sell our homes and move somewhere else? Where? What happens when you get there and find everyone there is selling their house to move somewhere safe?
This is MY HOME. Anyone trying to force me out because THEY are criminals will not win that fight.

Also, two stats that the anti-CCW people never want to acknowledge:
1) there are fewer gun related criminal incidents with CCW owners than with on-duty police officers.
2) in States that welcome CCW owners, less than 5% of the population actually carries a gun. One in 20. That is enough to make criminals paranoid. Everywhere CCW has been established (CA is one of the few idiot states that have not), confrontational crime is significantly lowered. What are the odds, if only 55 of the people are carrying, that a criminal will encounter someone with a gun?
in a group of 14, the odds are 51.233% someone has a gun.
in a group of 22, the odds are 67.647% .
in a group of 28, the odds are 76.217%
in a group of 59, the odds are 95.151%
in a group of 114, the odds are 99.711%
and in Russian Roulette, the odds are only 18.3%
career criminals don’t play Russian Roulette, and they sure as hell don’t like the odds of facing a gun in a 5% CCW state, either.

Bottom line: more responsible citizens with CCWs makes the career criminals “move somewhere else” instead of the law abiding citizens.

Gun Homicides per 100,000
| State
| |
| | Number of CCW in State
| | |
| | |
4.82 California 35,000
4.59 Illinois 0

3.93 Texas 524,000
3.15 Florida 995,202

1.71 Washington 359,342
0.93 Utah 395,651

Get the idea?

Do you want to live somewhere that you are afraid to go out at nite, or where the criminals are afraid to go out at nite?

oops. forgot to answer the question. Yes I’d get a CCW. Unlikely that I’d actually carry, however. More likely to keep it locked in a portable safe in the trunk of my car.

Carrying is such a pain in the kidneys when driving, and so in-the-way when you gotta use a public restroom, etc.

But as a statement to the Liberals that the 2nd Amendment is just as important as the 1st, I would definitely get a CCW.

bumper sticker February 18, 2014 at 10:22 PM

the real question is not would you feel safer carrying a concealed gun, rather would you feel safer if every idiot in Concord was carrying a concealed gun?

Dennis February 18, 2014 at 10:24 PM

@#115 Jose is the tail gunner on a Budweiser delivery truck in Antioch.

Better than Y'all February 18, 2014 at 10:47 PM

I love the internet. You are who you say you are.

My husband looks like George Clooney, and my kids are perfect. We own homes in several affluent suburbs, too numerous to count.

Did I mention I’m a former supermodel? I got out of the business because I’m better looking than all women, and it got old. We don’t need the money.

My Bentley is in the shop, and I don’t need it back anytime soon. I’m currently driving the Lamborgini (sic). Been driving it for so long, I forgot how to spell it.

I don’t own a gun. My life is perfect, how dare you think I need one.

Our maids and butlers are currently on vacation. We sent them on an all expense paid trip to the Olympics. We go every two years, and it gets old. Rather watch at home on our 115 inch TV. We have several.

I’m not married to Jose. My husband is white. I think. Our kids are white too.

A girl can dream…….

VikingPrincess February 18, 2014 at 10:56 PM

@Clayton valley grad #86

Sorry to shatter your reality tunnel but in another life, long ago, I had a legitimate reason to sleep with a gun under my pillow and it helped me sleep. Without it I would be paranoid a certain person might break in and kill me. Restraining orders only go so far. Hollow point bullets work better and before the police arrive. I think you might find other females that have been in the same situation as I – will agree they slept better when alone with a gun, as opposed to without.

disgrunted in Concord February 19, 2014 at 7:00 AM


caskydiver February 19, 2014 at 7:24 AM

YES. May apply very soon…anyone have any ideas on whether the Sherriff or the Concord Chief of Police would be more open to approving an application?

Wow February 19, 2014 at 7:50 AM

@ Viking Princess-129

That’s your fault, not Clayton Valley Grad. That says less about you and the people you hang out with, as well as your personal relationships. I certainly wouldn’t admit that on a public blog.

@caskydiver February 19, 2014 at 9:27 AM

The Sheriff has announced that he is not going to change his current policy until the appeals process is complete. There’s no point in applying for a CCW permit yet. It’s unlikely the Sheriff would approve it.

Billy February 19, 2014 at 10:21 AM

You bet I would. You never know when you might need it. There are too many low lifes running around loose and we need to defend ourselves against them.

Jose February 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM

You guys are pretty ignorant. There are plenty of possible scenarios that would allow me to live in a million dollar house. Could be any or none of the following :

1)I bought my house many years ago when prices were affordable.
2)My parents died and left me the house free and clear.
3)I actually own a moving company and drive sometimes because I enjoy it.
4)The trucks I used to drive were loaded withords cocaine and came here from Mexico.
5)I was a live-in gardener/caretaker for a wealthy couple who traveled extensively.
6)I rented a room in a nice neighborhood because I didn’t want to live in the ghetto.

In other words, don’t call someone a liar when you really have no clue what you ‘re talking about.

Jose February 19, 2014 at 10:42 AM

*loaded with cocaine*

Stupid phone.

Just Another Concord Resident February 19, 2014 at 11:17 AM

To get a CCW, you must apply to the chief law enforcement officer in the county in which you live. For us, that is the Sherriff. For those of us that have been posse members for many years, forget it.. Mr. Livingston made his opinion pretty clear when he was Chief in Concord that private ownership of firearms has no place in this society.. so forget it. And no, it does not cost thousands of $$ to become a member.. follow the rules for membership and welcome aboard.

Anon February 19, 2014 at 11:36 AM

I would absolutely get the permit. Carry? possibly, doubtful though.

I believe this country would have less crime if people from a general stand point could protect them selfs more effectively. Having a cc permit does not mean unholstering your gun and showing people, killing or being otherwise uncivilized. It gives any common law abiding citizen the ability to turn a fight they did not want closer to their side. It gives the old person, the young, the normal guy a better chance to keep the fight even. On its own knowing there are more people with guns gives criminals the thought that they may not have the upper hand.

I notice a lot of people that have little or no experience with firearms generally have the most opinion. There is an excellent range in Baypoint that have many great people that can help you overcome any fear or uncertainty.

I think in the real life that anyone will see commonly every day objects, cars, knifes, tools, hell accidents, plane crashes, auto accidents and so on are what we all see daily as affecting judgement of what dangerous is.

Sure a gun is designed to put holes in things. A car is designed to transport. Many different guns. Many different car models.

Do I need an AR15? NO. Do I want and have one. Yes.
Do you need that sports car with 400 hp? No, Do you have one? Maybe…

I’ve strayed from the topic but I’m sure reasonable people will see what is meant.

Marut Khan February 19, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Sexually inadequate cowards who want to take control of those they fear and despise. This is how 17yr olds get shot, and ex cops open fire on someone for texting. When you get to San Quentin, you won’t have your firearm with you.

Jose February 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM


You don’t even make any sense. But go ahead and get your jabs in. I have thick, brown skin.

BusBoy February 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM

@Marut Khan # 140

So let me interpret what I think youre saying… 😉

“”Sexually inadequate cowards who want to take control of those they fear and despise.””
— By that you mean the gang banger scum who rob, rape, pillage, kill and basically… want to take control of those they fear and despise… the normally successful part of society who try to better themselves and their children… Right??!!

Moving on…

“”This is how 17yr olds get shot,””
— Damn Skippy they get shot… any idiot thug who approaches a licensed carrier looking for easy pickings is likely in for a big surprise. In most instances drawing and showing the gun is all that’s needed but then there are real trouble makers… those 17 year olds who just arent the angels everyone thinks they are… whats the name again?? THATS RIGHT! Trayvone Martin!

“”When you get to San Quentin, you won’t have your firearm with you.””
— You meant to say When THEY get to San Quentin they wont have their gun with them to terrorize the unfortunate… in there… there are the real animals.

VikingPrincess February 19, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Your post shows me how very little e patience you have had in life and how narrow minded you are.

You went right to ego and shame, guess that is your downfall. Another poster admitted to being raped – I don’t see you telling them anything. Learned a long time ago that a Harvard education, a Mercedes and a clean public presence does not have anything to do with honor or being a good citizen.

You don’t know what you don’t know.
And you dont know me, if you did you’d be more respectful.

A bit obvious there is a poster here that is against guns. That’s fine. But this person is trying to force this opinion on others…. they have much to learn. An unsophisticated move and obvious.

VikingPrincess February 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM

How very little experience, as opposed to patience.

Steve in Concord February 19, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Absolutely I would. I find the anti-gun folks here all seem to want to stereo-type the pro-gun folks with nothing more than an emotional response not based on anything factual. Look at the facts and you will see that more guns equals less crime – period. There are 42 states that allow concealed carry and their crime stat when down when CCW was allowed. Bad guys already carry anyway. I am not afraid of anything specific and would not likely carry every day anyway, but I would like to be able to when I wanted to. If guns cause crime than how come Chicago is not the safest place in the world since they do not allow much of anything? Why does Arizona and Texas not have horrible crime rates when they allow CCW? Explain this to me libtards? Perhaps when the next drunk driver kills someone, we should take away cars from sober people using your logic.

bumper sticker February 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM

lets get a few facts straight here.

1. take all your statistics and throw them away because they are meaningless. As one question, would there be fewer gun deaths if everyone owned a gun or nobody owned a gun? (if it takes you more than 3 seconds to come to a conclusion you are a moron)

2. The NRA does not represent gun owners. it represent gun manufacturers. Their position is to oppose all gun control laws, even those that seek to keep guns away from criminals and the mentally ill. They oppose them all because they are bad for the gun selling business.

3. There is no voice of responsible gun ownership in America. The conversation is dominated by the gun industry who sell more guns when people are afraid. How do you make people more fearful? by having more guns in the hands of criminals and more gun violence in our communities. Econ 101. Create the demand and control the supply = get very rich indeed!

4. If you own a gun because you are afraid of something you are a sheep controlled by the gun industry. BAAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA.

The dude February 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM

@63 if you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, you would change your perception. I have seen both sides and what it comes down to is, I will not abuse my right and I will safely keep my firearm from my children and others. However, if it comes to a situation where it is either the other person (a threat) or me, it will not be me. I am 100% for CCW in California just as many other states do. California is the red headed stepchild state, if you have lived in other states you will know what I am saying. The laws here are sometimes more rediculous.

@ Just Another Concord Resident February 19, 2014 at 1:49 PM

First, you attempt to apply with your city Chief of Police if he will accept an application (many won’t). Then you go to the Sheriff (unless you live in unincorporated CCC, in which case, start with the Sheriff)

Are you a Posse Member ? If so, have you been an active member? Does the Sheriff know you well enough to feel that you are competent and sane and won’t go out and shoot someone negligently? Do you have cause beyond the “right to bear arms” cause ? If yes on all 4, have you applied? If no, why the hell not ?

Rollo Tomasi February 19, 2014 at 2:00 PM

How many of you anti-CCW people have fire extinguishers in your home, vehicle or boat? If so, why? What are the odds you’ll need it? Do you know how to use it properly?

@bumper sticker February 19, 2014 at 2:47 PM

The NRA is very much in favor of strict laws that severely punish criminals who use guns. They are only opposed to the laws that punish the law-abiding. And they also sponsor gun safety education for kids and adults. I think they represent the majority of gun owners (and certainly the majority of NRA members) just fine.

chalkboy8 February 19, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Why should people conceal their gats? What if people OPENLY carried their roscoes? ( I like using slang terms for pistolas and hoglegs).

@chalkboy8 February 19, 2014 at 3:53 PM

If you remember, that’s what they used to do. But people freaked out at the sight of unloaded guns, so that was outlawed.

cliff February 19, 2014 at 4:01 PM

yes I would. had some issues with people knocking on my door at midnight, looking 4 a person that doesn’t live here look like a couple of crack heads

Jess February 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Rollo Tomasi, I have a fire extinguisher in my home. I do know how to use it properly. In fact, I have used one to put out a small kitchen fire.

Having a fire extinguisher in your home or car is not comparable to carrying a gun with you when you go to the hardware store. The purpose of a fire extinguisher is to put out a fire, thereby saving lives and property. The purpose of a gun is to kill someone. I have no problem with anyone putting out a fire. I do have a problem with someone killing someone else. So do the police and courts.

If I make a mistake with my fire extinguisher and accidentally put out someone’s BBQ fire, the only harm done is to someone’s dinner. If I make a mistake with a gun, then I’ve killed someone, I’ve devastated multiple families, and I’m going to jail for a long time.

@Steve in Concord February 19, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Crime went down in states that restrict CCW, too. Crime decreased everywhere.

Kent Spiracy February 19, 2014 at 4:33 PM

@bumper sticker – I see you are wearing your “tin-foil” hat again.

Anon2you February 19, 2014 at 4:55 PM

@ Jess…Your little comparison is cute…you could say the same with a car. Cars kill more people than guns every day. Don’t loose sight of what is happening in this country. We have the right to own firearms, it is essential to our freedom and our personal safety. Those who wish to take away those freedoms and put us in harms way, would like nothing more that to take away that right. You have a choice to own a gun, you have many choices of how you can live in freedom, because of the Constitution of the U.S.! And the founding Fathers saw fit to include this right in that sacred document for a reason. So, this is much different than your fire extinguisher.

Whatthe February 19, 2014 at 5:24 PM

@Daniel Shays

Because a finger gesture warrants a shooting??? Again, relax, stop believing the hysteria, stop living afraid! You personify the Zimmerman’s of this world.

Do you have any idea where those “rights to own” came from? Where is your militia and what government are you and your pea shooters going to overthrow?

“Bumper sticker’s” comment no 3 is absolutely the truth…fear sells! The NRA want you to be fearful as they are the advocating arm (not for you brother) for big business gun manufacturers.

Jess February 19, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Anon2You, I agree, carrying a gun is much different than carrying a fire extinguisher. It was Rollo Tomasi who was implying that it was the same. Carrying a gun is also much different than driving a car. The sole reason to carry a concealed gun with you is to have it available so you can kill someone. That’s not the case with a car or a fire extinguisher. It’s not necessarily the case with a hunting rifle or a target pistol that you keep locked up in your gun safe at home. But it is the case with the concealed gun you carry with you as you go about your daily business. You carry it so you can shoot to kill.

@ Bumper sticker February 19, 2014 at 5:49 PM

1. take all your statistics and throw them away because they are meaningless. As one question, would there be fewer gun deaths if everyone owned a gun or nobody owned a gun? (if it takes you more than 3 seconds to come to a conclusion you are a moron)

2. The NRA does not represent gun owners. it represent gun manufacturers. Their position is to oppose all gun control laws, even those that seek to keep guns away from criminals and the mentally ill. They oppose them all because they are bad for the gun selling business. SURE – AND THEIR MEMBERS DON’T PAY DUES, RUN THEIR MEETINGS OR SHOW UP FOR RALLYS – IT’S JUST ANOTHER “ASTROTURF” GROUP THAT BUSSES PAID STOOGES TO EVENTS TO MAKE IT ALL LOOK REAL – YUP

3. There is no voice of responsible gun ownership in America. The conversation is dominated by the gun industry who sell more guns when people are afraid. How do you make people more fearful? by having more guns in the hands of criminals and more gun violence in our communities. Econ 101. Create the demand and control the supply = get very rich indeed! YOU MAKE PEOPLE MORE FEARFUL WHEN YOU THREATEN TO DISARM THEM. THE PELOSI METHOD HAS SOLD MORE GUNS THAN THE NRA TIMES 10

4. If you own a gun because you are afraid of something you are a sheep controlled by the gun industry. BAAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Maria February 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM

This thread is a riot! Jose is just the opposite of Miguel.

Miguel was straight up. I’m from South Central LA, put that in your crack pipe and smoke it white folks. I now live in Clayton, and I’m dealing with culture shock. I couldn’t wait to “get out.” He had a girlfriend with “long blond hair.” Now you know “you’ve made it.”

Jose wants us to believe he was living among the “rich, white folks” in a “million dollar home” in Danville. Keep in mind he’s a “Hispanic truck driver.”

Sure, Jose. Anything you say. I miss Miguel. I believe “one of the two.”

By the way, I’m Hispanic. I can say this. You can’t…lol.

Rollo Tomasi February 19, 2014 at 7:23 PM


No too shockingly, you misinterpret entirely. Nowhere did I imply that having a fire extinguisher and a gun are the same thing. The simple nuance you missed is preparedness. THAT is the reason you have a fire extinguisher – in order to be prepared to protect your property and perhaps your life from the relatively unlikely event of a fire. You have a right and a responsibility to do so. Likewise, I have a right and responsibility to protect my safety and that of my loved ones.

If you choose not to carry a weapon that is your right. In fact, if it’s possible that you would use it in anger or frustration, you should never carry or even own a gun. If it’s a possibility you might extinguish someone’s BBQ, maybe you should ditch the fire extinguisher as well.

@Maria February 19, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Wow, you’re so “hard”, lol. I’ll bet your name is Ashley and you’re a 15-year old white girl from Lafayette.

Maria February 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM


I’m Mexican, but you made me laugh. I hope you don’t think all Latino’s and African Americans are hard. If so, I will pray for you.

@Maria February 19, 2014 at 9:00 PM

No way a Hispanic mamacita from LA is living in Clayton. The Claytonites wouldrun you out of town. Nice try, Ashley.

Maria February 19, 2014 at 9:45 PM


Re-read my post. I said MIGUEL WAS FROM SOUTH CENTRAL, NOT ME! He talked about it all the time.

I grew up in PH, and we live in Concord, not that it’s any of your business.

Get a life! If you’re looking to harass me racially, you’re pathetic, as well as STUPID!!!

@Maria February 20, 2014 at 5:03 AM

If you learned to use quotation marks, people might understand when you’re quoting Miguel.

Now get off the computer and get back to cleaning houses.

Maria Maria Maria..I am so confused February 20, 2014 at 6:04 AM

Maria, you seem so confused.

In post #163 you say you live in Clayton and are hispanic.

In post #167 you say you are mexican. not all people who identify as hispanic are mexican. And if you are mexican, does that mean you are not an American? If not, please go home.

In post #169 you say you live in Concord. Is it Clayton or Concord. There is a difference besides the spelling of it.

How about getting your story straight, or like I said, if you are a mexican, please go home.

Maria=Ashley February 20, 2014 at 8:17 AM

She’s just looking for street cred.

Reader of Tea Leaves February 20, 2014 at 9:10 AM

I sat let all the idiots who post on this site own all the guns they want. Within a week they’ll all have shot themselves in the face while cleaning the barrel with their tongue and society will be that much better off and the gene pool that much deeper.

Duh February 20, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Of course. But I would not carry accept for when traveling. In states where open carry is permitted, there is less crime. Self defense used to be a right not a liability.

@Smoker of Tea Leaves February 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Whatever you say, buddy.

anon February 20, 2014 at 1:11 PM

175……..Nah, it is whatever YOU say, smokey.

Sheila February 20, 2014 at 3:17 PM

I know who Miguel is, and I understand Maria’s post quite clearly.

Sheila February 20, 2014 at 3:20 PM


I feel sorry for you. You’re a very unhappy person. Misery loves company.

Nicole February 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM

#171 Maria, Maria, Maria

Get a life! I also know who Miguel is, and even if I didn’t, I have no problem reading Maria’s post.

But then again, I’m not stupid.

If you have a problem with Hispanics, perhaps Claycord isn’t the right blog for you.

Log on to a KKK sight. I’m white, not I’m not WT like you.

Ending Racism February 20, 2014 at 4:06 PM

I’ll never understand why racist comments are deleted.

Ending Racism February 20, 2014 at 4:25 PM

Today is not my day! I meant aren’t deleted. When I called in sick today, I made the right decision…..

Kevin February 20, 2014 at 4:36 PM

The Mayor is obviously overly lenient when it comes to what and what not to post. He’s at a loss as to where to draw the line. I would be too.

Where do you begin???

Nah, it's cool. February 20, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Maria says it’s ok to make disparaging remarks against Hispanics, as long as you’re also Hispanic. It’s right there in post #163.

Just a Kid February 20, 2014 at 5:13 PM

I’m white, but racism makes me cry. It’s hurts peoples feelings. It’s mean. Mean people are terrible.

@Just a Kid February 20, 2014 at 6:47 PM

FWIW, I totally agree with you. I’m not a racist in any way. I was trying to make a point to Maria that racism hurts, regardless of what color the racist is. And she claims to read the Bible every day. I guess she doesn’t pay much attention to what it says.

Kirk February 20, 2014 at 6:51 PM

Despite being a liberal prostate massaging weirdo, tea leaves does have a point, even though his oral fixation is telling. Let those who want guns have them, let those who don’t, not. They should in fact sign over their rights to gun ownership as well as their offspring, in fifty years the people will have decided.

I’m in the market for a five shot .38 special myself. I’ll be teaching my nephews to shoot this summer. When I was in college I brought several foreign exchange students to the evora range. You people who don’t like guns, as one can see from your posts, don’t understand us, like the US didn’t understand Vietnam. Good luck with that.

Get Real February 20, 2014 at 7:15 PM

@Just a Kid—–187

So now you’re trying to turn the tables, manipulate the situation, and manipulate a kid?

You’re a bigger POS than I thought.

You’re a racist bully, and you know it. If you don’t think people can read through your manipulative crap, you need to think again.

May you rot in……

Atticus Thraxx February 20, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Kirk, If you can find one, consider the Taurus P-85 5-shot .38 Spl. Solid little shooter, crisp trigger, and just the right weight. I see them at the gun shows now and then and Guns and Fishing in Vacaville had a stainless one around Christmas time. Maybe it’s still there.

Huh? February 20, 2014 at 9:04 PM

@ Just A Kid (#187) Anything you say Archie Bunker.

Laura Zah February 20, 2014 at 9:26 PM

I agree with Atticus about the Taurus model 85. (try to find one with a 3″ barrel). I added a Crimson Trace laser grip to mine (more expense but well worth it). Little gun handles +p ammo too.

Tru, or use a local FFL dealer to complete the transfer for you.

Dennis February 20, 2014 at 9:31 PM

“The sole reason to carry a concealed gun with you is to have it available so you can kill someone.”

you are seriously messed up intellectually and emotionally.

Is the only reason your car has a spare tire is because you want to have a flat tire? Is the only reason you have auto insurance is because you want to get into accidents?

Here’s a real world “what would you do” example:

your daughter got date raped and pregnant, had the child. The daddy shows up to kidnap the child, and your daughter tries to stop him. He beats her to death in the front yard, in front of all the neighbors, with a baseball bat, and kidnaps the child. You, and all the neighbors, witness the murder/kidnap.

When asked why you didn’t do something to stop him, you (and the neighbors) all say “if I used a gun it would make me just as bad as him. There is never a reason to have or use a gun!”.

Don’t you feel morally superior, knowing that your principles cost you the life of your daughter, and the kidnapping of your grandchild?

Aren’t you proud that you force everyone else to be just as cowardly as you?

Getting on my last nerves February 20, 2014 at 9:58 PM

@ Dennis~~~~193

Shut the **** up!

Connie Dobbs February 21, 2014 at 8:40 AM

It’s no different from locking your house because you don’t want get burgled.

What if you spray your attacker with mace and it triggers her asthma and she suffocates? Or she stumbles blindly into traffic and is hit by a car? Or she cracks her head open on the curb?

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